For all those wondering about where the info on the warhead comes from, you can find it in the DS9 technical manual pages 132 to 134. A lot of this info comes from the technical manual, some may say that isn't "cannon" because it hasn't appeared on screen. That may be the case, but this video is just a bit of fun and is about "little known features" so we have dug in to info that doesn't appear on screen.
I've just browsed through all known MSD of the Defiant and warhead thing just doesn't seems possible. There are no bulkheads to close in that area, no torpedoes (as you mention) neither.....
I like it!!! The overall idea, in theory, is that deployment of said "warhead" would end the conflict, then Defiant itself would become an impulse capable lifeboat, a waiting a two or rescue from larger combatants. In theory, a Galaxy/Sovereign class ship could even store the module in its largest cargo bay, partially assembled, to be assembled in space, and then reattached. I like it, make it so DS9 technical manual!!!
No, the defiant does not carry self replicating mines as a normal weapon. Those were just used when they mined the wormhole. It is not a standard included feature on the Defiant class Star Ships.
Guardian Tree I doubt they came built-in. From the way the mines were deployed two at a time, it would make sense if O’Brien disembarked the four shuttlepods and filled their launch bays with mine racks specifically for that mission.
Yeah if they would have been a feature then Rom really wouldn't have had to come up with the idea. It would have been done very early. Possibly well before the war started
its the closest thing they have to a real destroyer concept.. a ship that trades off armour and size for speed and maneovrability while still boating big firepower.. Only that the Defiant also has strong armour for its size
@@sparrowlt armor in star trek is all relative, photon torpedoes are in the 50-100 megaton range out of the box, and phasers are some kind of ultra high energy laser weapon, so at best you dodge their torpedoes and loose a few plates of armor before withdrawing. even future startrek tech isn't gonna withstand 100 megatons worth of bomb in your face and by ds9 and voyager good ol photons were out and quantum bombs were in which were orders of magnitude more potent
I loved watching all of the Defiant's battle scenes. She may have been designed to fight the Borg, but seeing her blow away those Jem'Hadar attack ships thrills me every time.
Ships were known to get partial modifications or even retrofits to add new features. They might not of been stock, but the Defiant had added those systems to the ship.
Generation Tech the point everyone is making is The mines were not a “Feature” of the Defiant...it merely deployed them. It’s okay to be wrong sometimes, you might just want to accept it.
@@keithck3720The Pimp hand that can roast a chicken, blow up a planet, star, or assassinate political figures. 40,000 years later the Adeptus mechanicus is struggling to figure with no success the Sisko Pimp hand slap.
The Defiant was an important moment in Starfleet vessel design because it was one of the earliest dedicated warships produced by the Federation. It represented the moment when the Federation, and by extension Starfleet, finally faced up to the reality that using essentially civilian type vessels with heavily compromised designs intended to function as exploration and science vessels (and weirdly even floating communities complete with children) as well as combat craft just was not going to cut it in any really serious war. Admittedly, the shipwrights got a bit... over enthusiastic when arming such a small vessel, resulting in serious issues with its power production and distribution and generally over stressing some systems, but in later marks of the vessel's design those issues were ironed out, leaving Starfleet with exactly the kind of dedicated warship it so sorely needed. While it doubtless was an uncomfortable situation for the basically pacifist Federation to find itself in, this little ship probably represents the beginning of a trend in more militarised Starfleet vessel design that went on to guarantee the survival of the Federation, and with it its high ideals, into the future.
One can even say the Sovreign class was also somewhat military. Look at it's design compared to the Galaxy. The Galaxy was bright and cheerful. Plush and comfortable. The Sovvie was muted, drab, and armed to the teeth.
Not to mention uncomfortable for its crew too. instead of luxurious single person/family quarters the Defiant class had bunks with several to a room that was probably smaller than smallest crew's quareters on the Enterprise D.
Hate to bust your bubble dudes. Defiant is not the class of ship, that is only it's name. It is, along with Soa Palo, (for which they renamed Defiant) a VALIANT class ship. I hate it when people don't know what they are talking about it, you are welcome for the info.
@Jared HarrisThe Federation was perfectly capable of desiging its own cloaking devices, after having stolen one in TOS and then experimenting with an interphasic one (Pegasus incident). I'm sure some engineers will have worked with Rom on the mines as well. Cloaking torpedoes with a cloak as found on the Pegasus would have been quite lethal (just fly through matter then materialize inside). Never understood why they bothered with the Romulans despite the Treaty of Algernon. Use Klingon cloaking device instead. Or the amazing Pegasus one. Seemed more advanced than either. Then there was the cloak used on the transport ship in the ST Insurection film and the brilliant holographic one used in the video game ST Away Team, so yeah, plenty of options. Looking at this, the Federation was apparently far more capable of designing cloaking devices than the Romulans or the Klingons with the latter in my opinion actually being better than the original Romulan ones as shown in The Undiscovered Country - can fire while cloaked... That begs the question once again, except for Treaty stipulations, why didn't they just use their own or their ally's technology when they needed the cloaking device..
@the one you don't see, you might be onto something. Maybe Worf realized that he wouldn't be able to launch the warhead, so he decided that "today IS a good day to die" and gave the orders to set a collision course at RAMMING SPEED!
I doubt you'd need two people to operate the weapons systems, considering how much automation would be involved, it's more likely that it's SOP to have two up and running during combat so if one is knocked out or the operator suffers from exploding console syndrome the other can continue to operate.
Agreed, I’m sure the acoustics and the sound system on the bridge would be far superior to his bedroom. He claims he liked the more spartan accommodations on the the Defiant, but really the entire ship was basically his private apartment. Between the Klingon Operas and his and Dax’s private affairs, Worf was a very loud individual for how private he is.
Engineer: So we have a stealth design. Even without cloak it is harder to detect than most ships. Starfleet: Paint it fucking white and put lights all over the outside.
@Generation Tech : Sorry British Ben, but it's more accurate to say that the Defiant produces Trilithium Resin as a waste product of her Warp Core. This fact was established in an earlier TNG episode.
I M Ofage it’s not the first time he’s been wrong; he gets things wrong a lot and from being a Star Trek Author and doing in-depth research I’ve noticed it a lot and do a lot of correcting; not just to British Ben but to others here and elsewhere a lot. With all the things Star Trek that I know many people that know me call me a “Walking Star Trek Encyclopedia” because of it.
I think it's a running joke with the writers that in Star Trek trilithium is never handled or used or explained the same way twice. They are wildly inconsistent about what it is and what it does and where it comes from.
@Z1gguratVert1go : I have to disagree with you. In Alpha canon, trilithium resin was first mentioned in TNG during the heist episode. It was described as/shown to be highly unstable, extremely explosive, highly valuable on the black market, and a waste product of the warp core. In DS9 "trilithium" was described as highly toxic and used similarly to a "dirty bomb". -In VOY, trilithium was used twice, both times as a high yield explosive (in the pilot and the time-displaced planet episode)- And in Generations, trilithium was shown to halt nuclear fusion reactions in a star. Even if you assume that "trilithium" is short for "trilithium resin", none of these properties or attributes are contradictory.
The section of this video concerning the stealth functionality of this ship serves (at least for me) to further magnify how appealing it was to the Maquis when the character of Lieutenant Thomas Riker and his cell commandeered it during the actual Defiant episode of DS9.
If they didn't do that then the random characters that die in battles would always survive so the producers would have to pay them more money for being returning characters on the show.
a little known fact about the self replicating mines.. is that they werent actually part of the defiant. they were designed by rom, dax, and o'brien to counter the dominion convoys from the gamma quadrant, loaded up on the defiant when deployed and then never used again. also mines dont have any real offensive use as the defiant was a hit first kind of ship. However good video
I would imagine the whole ship with all it's torpedoes and warp core crashing into the Borg would do considerably more damage than that little ramming thing.
Same goes for that massive warhead. To fire that thing would not turn it into such a fast energy ball like the usual torpedos. It could be shot down or tractored away. It certainly is not made for battle use.
I always assumed the "preparation" that Worf was about to order would have meant setting the self-destruct sequence to overload the Warp Core on impact & have everyone but the Captain, helm, & maybe chief engineer hit the escape pods. Then, everything changed when the Enterprise E dropped out of warp. Worf's best line ever, "If you were ANY other man, I would kill you where you stand!"
If you have impulse power, odds are pretty much 100%. If you're limited to thrusters, odds are likely 0%. Most ships are not "planetfall capable," and most starships have the ability to "beach" themselves as an emergency crash maneuver. The Intrepid class was designed to be able to land and lift off regularly. Ships with saucer sections could glide in and crash land. Defiant was designed to land as a whole ship, but given it's small size and compact construction, in theory, it could take off again. As it has no saucer section to detach as a lifeboat, giving it this option is just an aid to help the crew should the ship be damaged enough to be at risk of no longer being spaceworthy...an option to complete abandonment with limited supplies.
Kirk," Scotty can we land?" Scotty," it never been done , but it's like could be done." Spock," the odds of landing and taking back off are 45%." Kirk," Great, that better odds then most my plans. Sulo land this sucker!"
10. Landing and taking off. It *worked perfectly,* it's just the writers _forgot_ about it and kept using shuttles and transporters cause that's what all the standard Trek ships did.
They didn't forget, but the only time the defiant landed planetside was due to a crash caused by a temporal field surrounding a planet that Dax wanted to explore. Runabouts could land too, even if they didn't always.
And since Voyager landed on they probably did not want to look like idea thieves. People are pretty picky over these things so better not do it after Voyager presented this special feature. ;)
Transporters were the best and quickest way from ship to surface and kept the ship in space where it would be able to manauverability in case of hostile action, plus it's sensors would work at optimal efficiency not being affected by a planets atmosphere, shuttles if transporters would be unsafe, the only time I would land a starships on a planet is if it were absolutely necessary, life and death kinda stuff.
The original idea of the Transporter was created to avoid needing to generate visuals of shuttlecraft launching & landing, taking up effects budget & episode time.
One thing all starships carried was a tricobalt device, which was an extremely powerful explosive device, it was used as part of the self destruct system, only 1 per ship and the captain had the ability using their codes to use it as a weapon, at least that's what I remember.
"Great Scott! In the 24th century I'm sure that trilithium is available in every corner drugstore. But in the 23rd century, it's a little hard to come by. We had to make do with mere dilithium crystals."
The Defiant is my favourite SF ship. I always pictured a fleet of 100 of them . Would defeat anything out there. Resources from 1 Galaxy class would make 20-25 Defiants, and can crew them too.
@@JeanLucCaptain Yeah, Impressive Weapons, lackluster security personnel typical Starfleet. They create awesome ships, then let them be stolen/sabotaged.
Absolutely - If I remember correctly, it was Rom who came up with the original idea for cloaked self-replicating mines? Otherwise, why did they make a plot point out of it if it was going to be the default go-to answer? :P
@sc2umsmaker It also gets shown on a channel called H&I (for Heroes & Icons) 6 nights a week along with all the other Star Trek shows (except for Discovery, of course). They don't show them on Saturday nights. We get that channel over broadcast so I'm not sure how widespread it is or if the schedule is even the same everywhere that does get it.
@sc2umsmaker DVD or Blu-Ray -- no subscriptions or high-speed internet needed, and no total-dependence on corporate cloud services that may or may not be cancelled someday at the whim of some greedy CEO.
I'm experiencing that now. I never gave it a chance back when it was in first run syndication. It is an amazing show. I was too dumb to truly appreciate it back then.
@@KamikazeSteve That's exactly how I got into it. But honestly it's going way too fast - I just got to part 2 of the episode where Rom laid the self replicating mines. After that ending with Dukat, I've decided to slow down and watch it via streaming. If that's possible.
The detachable part of the ship was called the "Captain's Yacht" and was used for the captain to abandon ship at the very end. Also every federation ship could "theoretically" land on a planet if necessary.
The defiant had trilithium resin onboard because it’s a dangerous byproduct found in all warp cores. The enterprise D had trilithium resin on it too, it just doesn’t come up in conversation in more than one episode.
Other than what people have pointed out about the self replicating mines, I actually had no clue about warheads in the navigational deflector. I've seen schematics with it having separation capabilities but it's actually quite neat and would be a nice "last option" kind of thing. Pile a bunch of quantum torpedoes and tricobalt mines or warheads in there and remotely pilot it to where it could do some serious damage.
when i first saw First Contact and saw Defiant with its hull damaged, I had thought that was a hull hit, like seeing another starship getting hit, not ablative armor (all ships looked like that, even Defiant, when it was hit a second time as Enterprise passed them by)
Which Sci-Fi faction has the best Starfighters: Galactic Republic(Star Wars), Imperial Navy(40k), Terran Dominion(Starcraft), Systems Alliance(Mass Effect), UNSC(Halo),Helghan Empire(Killzone)
Babylon 5's Starfuries may not be the most powerful, but they are the best designed starfighter for space. If you want a combination of good space design and power though, there's always the Star League Gunstar from _The Last Starfighter._
I know this is old but a few tidbits: The mines were not standard. Those were a custom design made specifically to be used in blocking the wormhole. Trilithium seems to be a normal by product of Starfleet warp cores. The Enterprise D had it on-board as well. The episode where the crew stops at a starbase to have a baryon sweep performed (and Picard goes Rambo) features the bad guys trying to steal trilithium from the warp core. Just wanted to point that stuff out in case viewers before me missed it! Thanks! Love the videos!
Only the original prototype USS Defiant had a romulan built cloaking device in a deviation of the treaty with the Romulan Empire. This wasn’t a standard design feature on the further constructed defiant class escort ships (read: war ship).
MISTAKE - the nav deflector isnt used in warp, its used at impulse speeds. nb- a warp field will natrually deflect debris by its wake motion forward. An its also possible that treks own writers may not know this.
However, according to current warp theory the warp bubble will trap energetic particles which you'll find all over the place as solar wind and cosmic radiation. When the warp field collapses these will immediately disperse. Depending how far you've gone this could well instantly vaporise your ship. That's probably what the navigational deflector is for at warp. Also explains why they work as a defence against lasers- the photons are scattered away from the ship just as it would at warp.
The navigational deflector is also part of the long range sensor array, when in warp or impulse use, it is designed to move space debris and such out of the way protecting the ship from damage, it is also part of the warp drive system, without the navigational deflector, according to Treknology, the ship cannot go to warp, since it will have no protection.
@@ChefDansHookah Many of the old TOS-era ships lacked a deflector dish entirely, yet had warp drive. (But the art department probably just didn't care.)
My favorite detail about the Defiant is Captain Sisko´s sheer badassery. Technically he commits a war crime, but the planet can still be colonized, just not by humans. And given how his opponent operates he has little choice.
I've been the biggest trek fan in the world (yes, the whole world) since I was 13. Just can't believe I didn't know about the front section being able to operate independently of the main ship!! Thanks, I guess I'm gonna have read more of the tech manuals.
Hello friend. I am a huge star trek fan including Harry Potter and fantastic beasts. My favorite ship is the Defient. It's such a complex ship not like your traditional star fleet ship. My favorite part of the ship is the bridge and the cloaking device. Both are 2 exceptional Starfleet designs. I love how the bridge is hidden within the ship and the cloaking device helps it from being seen from enemy ships. Whoever designed the defiant was brilliant and I never knew that were the deflector dish that is a warhead it never occurred to me. But then again I've never seen it used in any episode of deep space Nine's shows but like you said if it was used warp travel would be impossible. I have an eaglemoss defiant replica in my Star Trek replica ships I have about 12 eaglemoss ships including the defiant. I cherish them every day. Enterprise NX Class, enterprise A, Enterprise B, enterprise D, Voyager, Equinox, Romulan war bird, Klingon bird of pray and the Defient. All my pride and joys. Thank you for sharing and letting me share with you today. Your loyal and faithful fan, Anastasia...💋😘💋😘
Don't forget that it could expand and contract to be 10 times larger or smaller under different episodes of the show. Sometimes it was the size of a shuttle and other times the size of a Constitution class ship.
Rom invented the self replicating mines. Trilithium was a by product of the warp engines (see TNG season 6 episode Starship Mine) so effectively all ships carried trilithium.
In a book I read of a defiant class that was painted flat black to increase its stealth. I found the idea so cool, when a got a model kit of the Defiant I painted flat black and it looks cool as well as a more practical color for a war ship. Of course filming would suck as to why white, light grey and light green are the colors used.
ah the DS9 technical manual, i havent seen that in 20 years. Great video, im glad someone finally discussed the Defiants super weapon, the detachable warhead.
Remember when they had a Romulan Officer from the Ro ulan Empire stationed on the Defiant to operate the Cloaking Field for a couple episodes? I miss those days...
Actually, Opps and Conn were not merged. Conn was left in front while Opps was moved to one of the side stations. It appeared to float a bit but tended to be in the (if facing onto the bridge with the view screen at your back), at the far left console at which Nog often sat. Also, Trilithium and Trilithium Resin are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS! Trilithium Resin is what the thieves are stealing from the Enterprise-D's warp core in the "I just want my saddle" episode of TNG. It is produced as a bi-product of standard Federation or at least Starfleet warp drives.
Trilithium was a waste product produced by the ships warp engines. That's why they had it. On the TNG episode "Starship Mine", terrorists attempted to steal trilithium resin from the Enterprise while it was undergoing a baryon sweep.
Not just that......where’s that nice music at the end of every Generation Tech video? That was always the icing on the cake for me. Bring it back already! Any Sheldon like nerd must be already freaking out at the incompleteness of this video, OCD style....!!
4:55 - the Defiant DOES actually have visible impulse engines. They are labelled as escape pod launchers in the deck plans in the DS9 Technical Manual though.
Trilithium is a by product of a starfleet warp drive. There was a whole episode based around someone stealing it from the Enterprise D in TNG so not a Defiant thing, you can find it in any warp core. Self Replicating mines aren't a Defiant thing they were something built that the defiant carried and deployed on a single mission.
@@ntigdona7487 well as I said it didn't get ablative armor until late season 3 or early season 4 and if memory serves I do believe it was the second ship that replaced the original to have the ablative armor
Not the Defiant, but the Defiant class Valiant apparently had landed in a crater on a moon during a cat and mouse game with the Dominion. Although not seen on screen it is discussed.
The self-replicating mines were not standard issue for the ship. They were designed on DS9 in order to stop Dominion reinforcements from coming thru the wormhole. They did not exist until Dax and O'Brien invented them in the weeks leading up to there deployment.
@@keithrees4755 Super Stealth only as long as they go along with the Romulans well, and we should not forget, that in Generations the Romulans also were working with that stuff (although I am not sure if they weaponized it, but I think they did). So the advantage of Star Fleet is not huge, if there is any - at least compared with the RSE.
The part with the warhead where you say Worf could have fired it rather than attempt to ram the Borg Cube, you should remember that the helmsman said that weapons were down. This would most likely include the warhead. Worf may actually have been attempting to fire it from the captain's chair before hitting the panel in frustration.
To the Generation Tech guy, and everyone else, this is my comments on all 10 of the features mentioned. 1: Sunken Bridge Design. In trek, the bridge area of a Starfleet ship is the most shielded area. But obviously it's not consistent in all Trek. The sunken bridge is more like the control-room in a typical modern submarine. Which makes sense. - 2: Ablative Armour. Yes, it was designed to fight the Borg who are nasty at taking down shields. Makes sense. - 3: Twin Tactical Stations. Of course. Nuf said. Moving on... - 4: Warhead. This would fit a "suicide" attack ship designed originally to fight the Borg. Much like torpedo boats in WW2. - 5: Escape Pods. Personally I think this was added later for plot purposes to let the Defiant have a "glorious" death without killing all the main characters, heh! Fighting the Borg, this wouldn't make sense since everyone in the pod and the pod itself could easily be assimilated. It would be unnecessary bulk on a ship designed purely for attack. Normal escape pods would sufice. Either the Borg goes after you or doesn't care. Honestly, high-tech pods would attract their attention more than crappy life-boats. "Suicide" ramming pods would make more sense, I suppose. That's my opinion. - 6: Stealth Design. Yes, it is certainly not a diplomatic ship like typical Federation ships. Pure warship designed to sneak in fast and hit hard. - 7: Shuttle Pods. Probably originally for extended scouting range. The big one was added later, again for plot purposes, which is cool anyways. :) - 8: Self Replicating Mines. Like others have pointed out, not a normal payload. But it does show the versatility of this craft's armament based on the mission. Much like WW2 submarines could carry torpedoes or mines, or a combination. The self-replicating cloaked mines was a lazy plot way to make an impenetrable shield. But yeah, still awesome. :P - 9: Trilithium Meh, whatever. One of those "magic" things in Trek like protomatter. - 10: It Can Land on a Planet. Yeah, I would hope so. I'd be surprised if it couldn't and could only dock with it's warhead nose-thingy.
A lot of people don't know about the Captain's Yacht (shuttle) on the USS Voyager also that's built into the under belly of the ship. I wish Captain Janeway would have used it on one of the episodes.
It was officially the aero shuttle, and the idea was that it could be a little like a runabout in terms of its use. However it was deemed too expensive to create the docking capability on the model so it just remained there as an outline. Apparently there was to have been a plot where in universe the thing was unfinished but B'Leanna jerry rigged it. This would have been toward the end of season one, however the season was truncated due to a writers strike so that never happened. Later on they built the Delta Flyer from scratch, which did the job the Aero Shuttle was conceived to do. By the time the Flyer was built the costly launch model sequence for the Aero Shuttle could have been done by a relatively inexpensive CGI effect. In fact in 'Extreme Risk' Voyager, the Maylon Shio, The Maylon Shuttle and the Flyer were all CGI at the climax.
Gups Aye! Totally agree with you. BTW, I’ve owned 2 cars that I dubbed “The Defiant”. One of them was a Black Mazda MX-3, reminiscent of a flying saucer with wheels.
You haven't heard REAL music until you have heard, and sung, Klingon kareoke, Ben. Being able to land on a planet's surface could possibly prevent any Betazeds from crashing the damned thing. Twice.
@@maryellencook9528 Who knows. Both instances were pretty much out of her control anyway. Crash landing a battle battered and partially disabled saucer section and Picard's ramming gambit.
@@andrewbarnett84 K'pla! If you can do THAT, you are a true Klingon warrior. I am only the lowly human chief medical officer and surgeon general to the Intergalactic Klingon Empire, now retired after many years of service. I cannot even bring myself to drink the true Warriors drink ,prune juice, because I find it too caustic for my system.
In the DS9 episode "A Call To Arms" Rom came up with the idea of self-replicating mines, The Defiant was outfitted to deploy the mines, like the comment below, it was not a standard feature. Your comment on the shuttlebays was interesting though, as far as I knew, it only carried 3 shuttles, and launched from the center ventral bay, though your mentioning that it was previously unused space for extra weapons or tactical ops is certainly plausible. The warhead section in a tech blueprint showed on operation console in it, made me wonder if it was just a forward tactical control place, or a seat for a kamikaze pilot. Doesn't feel right that it would be a suicide mission if launched. Like below again, trilithium was a waste product of warp core use, not a standard supply. In the Treaty of Algeron, the treaty between the United Federation of Planets and the Romulan Star Empire which defined the Romulan Neutral Zone, the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology. The Defiant's cloaking device was on loan from the Romulans in exchange for any and all information the Federation had and will get regarding the Dominion, also part of the agreement for use of the cloaking device was the forbiddance of using it in the Alpha Quadrant. A little tidbit of information - Earth and much of Federation space according to most space maps is in the Beta Quadrant. Technically, it could be used there. At any rate, all of this was great information. Thank you kindly.
I heard about the 2 smaller ones on another video talking about the abilities of that class and that they were to small for a shuttle. This makes since with the built in stealth tech(not counting aftermarket cloak) and landing ability though. Fill them with small ground vehicles and land an assault team which then uses the ground/super low altitude vehicles to attack a base on the planet by going in under the radar.
It's like some starfleet engineer said to himself. "I have idea, lets make the bridge very obvious so everyone will know exactly where they shoot target their weapons."
Little known fact - Defiant class wasn’t specifically designed with the Ablative hull armor built in. That was a modification that the Defiant had added to it. (DS9 Paradise lost the captain points out how it was equipped with the armor and someone neglected to inform Starfleet command). It might have been added from then on ect... but, in the very least, initial designs didn’t have it. So many people have said about the mines so there’s no point mentioning it. The front part can act as a single shot passer array too. The pulse phasers were designed to fire in pluses as it’s harder for the Borg to adapt.
GAGGLE MODE ACTIVATE! FORM OF... CHICKEN! and the enemy looked on in horror as their worst nightmare came to life, and the escape pod chicken monster took over the universe.
I love all your videos and I think you guys are doing an awesome job. Would you consider doing a comparison video on the different weapons like turbo lasers or phasers, something like that. Live long and prosper.
You sir lost all credibility when you stated self replicating mines were standard to the Defiant. Actually watch DS9 you'll see where they actually come from.
... ablative armor does not help with kinetic weapons, it helps with energy weapons!!!! most of star treks weapons are energy based anyhow. Why did you say kinetic!
It does help protect against energy and kinetic weapon damage, it is designed to break, melt, burn, or vaporize away leaving what's underneath it protected. Think of Kevlar, or a knight's armor, it will protect, however eventually it will weaken and break apart, damaging what's underneath from repeated attack.
@@ChefDansHookah Armor does, not ablative. Ablative armor is meant to be struck by a energy weapon and dissipate the energy by creating a cloud of dust or smoke that disperses the beam. An ablative armor might also double as kinetic armor but ablative does not mean its meant to adsorb kinetic. wanna know the secret to stopping any military laser in modern world? smoke launchers :D it disperses light so it no longer is a focus beam.
For all those wondering about where the info on the warhead comes from, you can find it in the DS9 technical manual pages 132 to 134. A lot of this info comes from the technical manual, some may say that isn't "cannon" because it hasn't appeared on screen. That may be the case, but this video is just a bit of fun and is about "little known features" so we have dug in to info that doesn't appear on screen.
I really appreciate the non-clickbait title. A lot of other channels would use something like "10 things YOU DIDN'T KNOW about Star Trek".
I've just browsed through all known MSD of the Defiant and warhead thing just doesn't seems possible. There are no bulkheads to close in that area, no torpedoes (as you mention) neither.....
any chance of looking at ships from stargate? the Daedalus and Apollo are bad ass and they have some nice aliens ships
Um, Generation Tech? It's "PRINCIPAL warship", actually.
I like it!!! The overall idea, in theory, is that deployment of said "warhead" would end the conflict, then Defiant itself would become an impulse capable lifeboat, a waiting a two or rescue from larger combatants. In theory, a Galaxy/Sovereign class ship could even store the module in its largest cargo bay, partially assembled, to be assembled in space, and then reattached. I like it, make it so DS9 technical manual!!!
No, the defiant does not carry self replicating mines as a normal weapon. Those were just used when they mined the wormhole. It is not a standard included feature on the Defiant class Star Ships.
Correct they where invented by Rom specifically for the wormhole.
True, but I am wondering if the defiant was able to lay down those mines after that, they would of come in handy a lot in the last season.
Guardian Tree I doubt they came built-in. From the way the mines were deployed two at a time, it would make sense if O’Brien disembarked the four shuttlepods and filled their launch bays with mine racks specifically for that mission.
Was just about to post the same comment
Yeah if they would have been a feature then Rom really wouldn't have had to come up with the idea. It would have been done very early. Possibly well before the war started
The Defiant is the meanest thing that the Federation has made -- it is basically a space honey badger.
its the closest thing they have to a real destroyer concept.. a ship that trades off armour and size for speed and maneovrability while still boating big firepower.. Only that the Defiant also has strong armour for its size
At least until we see the USS Prometheus, a vessel that could easily dispose of a romulan warbird.
sparrowJLT ... Read what you wrote. See if YOU can decipher it.
@@DavidKnowles0 The Prometheus was a battlecruiser not a destroyer.
@@sparrowlt armor in star trek is all relative, photon torpedoes are in the 50-100 megaton range out of the box, and phasers are some kind of ultra high energy laser weapon, so at best you dodge their torpedoes and loose a few plates of armor before withdrawing. even future startrek tech isn't gonna withstand 100 megatons worth of bomb in your face and by ds9 and voyager good ol photons were out and quantum bombs were in which were orders of magnitude more potent
I loved watching all of the Defiant's battle scenes. She may have been designed to fight the Borg, but seeing her blow away those Jem'Hadar attack ships thrills me every time.
Tough little ship.
Astro Bot "Little?"
You do know how to fire phasers?
Little?
Worf: *dirty look*
Little!?
Those mines weren't standard compliment, they were designed by Rom specifically to block the wormhole.
Would not surprise me if they did become standard though. I recall Armada 2 having it as an option for the defiant class.
Ships were known to get partial modifications or even retrofits to add new features. They might not of been stock, but the Defiant had added those systems to the ship.
@@lukasperuzovic1429 especially in times of war. The benifit of being a small ship.
Correct, but there isn’t time to slow down the pace by describing the exact circumstances of those mines
Generation Tech the point everyone is making is The mines were not a “Feature” of the Defiant...it merely deployed them.
It’s okay to be wrong sometimes, you might just want to accept it.
Greatly known fact about the Defiant is most of its power was derived directly from Benjamin Sisko.
Ben Sisko's pimphand!
With emergency power taken mostly from Worf's Klingon Opera collection
@@keithck3720The Pimp hand that can roast a chicken, blow up a planet, star, or assassinate political figures.
40,000 years later the
Adeptus mechanicus is struggling to figure with no success the Sisko Pimp hand slap.
Raise the shields! Engage the Plot Armor!
Profit power
The Defiant was an important moment in Starfleet vessel design because it was one of the earliest dedicated warships produced by the Federation. It represented the moment when the Federation, and by extension Starfleet, finally faced up to the reality that using essentially civilian type vessels with heavily compromised designs intended to function as exploration and science vessels (and weirdly even floating communities complete with children) as well as combat craft just was not going to cut it in any really serious war. Admittedly, the shipwrights got a bit... over enthusiastic when arming such a small vessel, resulting in serious issues with its power production and distribution and generally over stressing some systems, but in later marks of the vessel's design those issues were ironed out, leaving Starfleet with exactly the kind of dedicated warship it so sorely needed.
While it doubtless was an uncomfortable situation for the basically pacifist Federation to find itself in, this little ship probably represents the beginning of a trend in more militarised Starfleet vessel design that went on to guarantee the survival of the Federation, and with it its high ideals, into the future.
One can even say the Sovreign class was also somewhat military. Look at it's design compared to the Galaxy. The Galaxy was bright and cheerful. Plush and comfortable.
The Sovvie was muted, drab, and armed to the teeth.
Not to mention uncomfortable for its crew too. instead of luxurious single person/family quarters the Defiant class had bunks with several to a room that was probably smaller than smallest crew's quareters on the Enterprise D.
It was star fleets first war ship or vessel in general built for combat/war, it was in a junkyard becauze starfleet doesn't agree with combat
Which eventually completely changed the design of future ships. They became alien like eventually.
Hate to bust your bubble dudes. Defiant is not the class of ship, that is only it's name. It is, along with Soa Palo, (for which they renamed Defiant) a VALIANT class ship. I hate it when people don't know what they are talking about it, you are welcome for the info.
The defiant is the A-10 of Star Fleet. It may not be the sleekest but boy does it have enough weapons to kick the carp out of mostly every.
To bad it doesn't have the brrrrrrt
@@jasonskeans3327 No, but it does have pew-pew. Close enough.
that theory is a little fishy if you ask me!
@Jared HarrisThe Federation was perfectly capable of desiging its own cloaking devices, after having stolen one in TOS and then experimenting with an interphasic one (Pegasus incident). I'm sure some engineers will have worked with Rom on the mines as well.
Cloaking torpedoes with a cloak as found on the Pegasus would have been quite lethal (just fly through matter then materialize inside).
Never understood why they bothered with the Romulans despite the Treaty of Algernon. Use Klingon cloaking device instead. Or the amazing Pegasus one. Seemed more advanced than either.
Then there was the cloak used on the transport ship in the ST Insurection film and the brilliant holographic one used in the video game ST Away Team, so yeah, plenty of options.
Looking at this, the Federation was apparently far more capable of designing cloaking devices than the Romulans or the Klingons with the latter in my opinion actually being better than the original Romulan ones as shown in The Undiscovered Country - can fire while cloaked...
That begs the question once again, except for Treaty stipulations, why didn't they just use their own or their ally's technology when they needed the cloaking device..
Good observation
i think when warf was pounding the console in anger he was trying to launch the forward warhead assembly but it was stuck!
the one you dont see that's a good possibility
Considering the TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES probably
@@JeanLucCaptain Yeah, "technical difficulties". Lets go with that.
@@vampwriter worf reacts to computer malfunction. we need more RAMing speed!
@the one you don't see, you might be onto something. Maybe Worf realized that he wouldn't be able to launch the warhead, so he decided that "today IS a good day to die" and gave the orders to set a collision course at RAMMING SPEED!
I doubt you'd need two people to operate the weapons systems, considering how much automation would be involved, it's more likely that it's SOP to have two up and running during combat so if one is knocked out or the operator suffers from exploding console syndrome the other can continue to operate.
Actually the Bridge probably WAS Worf's karaoke room. He lived on the Defiant and liked to sing Klingon opera, so there you go.
Since there is not much space, no pun intended, he probably did use the bridge as his Karaoke room.
Wow
I can almost see him performing Celine Dion's My Heart Wil Go On there now.
@@Eo_Tunun You haven't heard "My Heart Will Go On" until you have heard it in the original Klingon.
Agreed, I’m sure the acoustics and the sound system on the bridge would be far superior to his bedroom. He claims he liked the more spartan accommodations on the the Defiant, but really the entire ship was basically his private apartment. Between the Klingon Operas and his and Dax’s private affairs, Worf was a very loud individual for how private he is.
Engineer: So we have a stealth design. Even without cloak it is harder to detect than most ships.
Starfleet: Paint it fucking white and put lights all over the outside.
@Generation Tech : Sorry British Ben, but it's more accurate to say that the Defiant produces Trilithium Resin as a waste product of her Warp Core. This fact was established in an earlier TNG episode.
I M Ofage it’s not the first time he’s been wrong; he gets things wrong a lot and from being a Star Trek Author and doing in-depth research I’ve noticed it a lot and do a lot of correcting; not just to British Ben but to others here and elsewhere a lot.
With all the things Star Trek that I know many people that know me call me a “Walking Star Trek Encyclopedia” because of it.
true
I think it's a running joke with the writers that in Star Trek trilithium is never handled or used or explained the same way twice. They are wildly inconsistent about what it is and what it does and where it comes from.
@Z1gguratVert1go : I have to disagree with you. In Alpha canon, trilithium resin was first mentioned in TNG during the heist episode. It was described as/shown to be highly unstable, extremely explosive, highly valuable on the black market, and a waste product of the warp core. In DS9 "trilithium" was described as highly toxic and used similarly to a "dirty bomb". -In VOY, trilithium was used twice, both times as a high yield explosive (in the pilot and the time-displaced planet episode)- And in Generations, trilithium was shown to halt nuclear fusion reactions in a star.
Even if you assume that "trilithium" is short for "trilithium resin", none of these properties or attributes are contradictory.
@@imofage3947 in the pilot was it not tricobalt (tricobalt torpoedo) used to destroy the caretaker array?
The section of this video concerning the stealth functionality of this ship serves (at least for me) to further magnify how appealing it was to the Maquis when the character of Lieutenant Thomas Riker and his cell commandeered it during the actual Defiant episode of DS9.
Yeah, but they still put explosives underneath the console panels.
yes it's a Starfleet must, we have to have it
And rocks
If they didn't do that then the random characters that die in battles would always survive so the producers would have to pay them more money for being returning characters on the show.
It's a jettison feature to protect the ship from the crews incompetence 🤣
What about rocks?
a little known fact about the self replicating mines.. is that they werent actually part of the defiant. they were designed by rom, dax, and o'brien to counter the dominion convoys from the gamma quadrant, loaded up on the defiant when deployed and then never used again. also mines dont have any real offensive use as the defiant was a hit first kind of ship. However good video
Its not little known, its a sizeable plot point in the Dominion war story arc.
@@cheguevara19 true however by the way Generation tech spoke of them he made it seem that they were "standard issue" to the defiant.
@@twintailMedia Which doesn't make it little known, just wrong. Everyone that's watched DS9 start to finish will known this.
@@cheguevara19 tre "little known fact" was a mockary of the part of the video. as he started off that segment with "little known fact"
I think Generation Tech cannot possibly appreciate that "stupid, dumb" Rom of all people could've come up with such an ingenious weapon.
The defiant is a pure capital ship killer and my favorite ship and sisko is my fav captain
They should have just called it the USS SISKO'S PIMPHAND
And it doesn’t run on mushrooms
Yet another reason that the Defiant is my favorite Star Trek ship. Well, along with the Excelsior.
......the Excelsior.......THE Excelsior......that bucket o' bolts???
I would imagine the whole ship with all it's torpedoes and warp core crashing into the Borg would do considerably more damage than that little ramming thing.
Same goes for that massive warhead. To fire that thing would not turn it into such a fast energy ball like the usual torpedos. It could be shot down or tractored away. It certainly is not made for battle use.
I always assumed the "preparation" that Worf was about to order would have meant setting the self-destruct sequence to overload the Warp Core on impact & have everyone but the Captain, helm, & maybe chief engineer hit the escape pods.
Then, everything changed when the Enterprise E dropped out of warp.
Worf's best line ever, "If you were ANY other man, I would kill you where you stand!"
“A successfull liftoff to orbital velocity is likely” NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS
If you have impulse power, odds are pretty much 100%. If you're limited to thrusters, odds are likely 0%. Most ships are not "planetfall capable," and most starships have the ability to "beach" themselves as an emergency crash maneuver. The Intrepid class was designed to be able to land and lift off regularly. Ships with saucer sections could glide in and crash land. Defiant was designed to land as a whole ship, but given it's small size and compact construction, in theory, it could take off again. As it has no saucer section to detach as a lifeboat, giving it this option is just an aid to help the crew should the ship be damaged enough to be at risk of no longer being spaceworthy...an option to complete abandonment with limited supplies.
cmtosh
For Star Trek those are impecable odds.
Kirk," Scotty can we land?"
Scotty," it never been done , but it's like could be done."
Spock," the odds of landing and taking back off are 45%."
Kirk," Great, that better odds then most my plans. Sulo land this sucker!"
@@qdllc don't forget to factor in gravitational pull. The strength of a gravitational pull depends on the planet's/object's size.
You wouldn't have to take off like an airplane or a jet-plane. Point the nose at the sky and use the impulse engines to take off like a rocket!
This list is one of the reasons I love the Defiant it’s my favourite starfleet ship.
Mine too!
10. Landing and taking off.
It *worked perfectly,* it's just the writers _forgot_ about it and kept using shuttles and transporters cause that's what all the standard Trek ships did.
They didn't forget, but the only time the defiant landed planetside was due to a crash caused by a temporal field surrounding a planet that Dax wanted to explore. Runabouts could land too, even if they didn't always.
And since Voyager landed on they probably did not want to look like idea thieves. People are pretty picky over these things so better not do it after Voyager presented this special feature. ;)
Transporters were the best and quickest way from ship to surface and kept the ship in space where it would be able to manauverability in case of hostile action, plus it's sensors would work at optimal efficiency not being affected by a planets atmosphere, shuttles if transporters would be unsafe, the only time I would land a starships on a planet is if it were absolutely necessary, life and death kinda stuff.
The original idea of the Transporter was created to avoid needing to generate visuals of shuttlecraft launching & landing, taking up effects budget & episode time.
Trilithium is a byproduct of the warp core. They didn't carry it specifically to use as a weapon.
They had the facilities to actually process and use it instead of storing it up
It's a transuranic element formed by corruption of dilithium, possibly. Can inhibit nuclear fusion, or poison atmospheres.
One thing all starships carried was a tricobalt device, which was an extremely powerful explosive device, it was used as part of the self destruct system, only 1 per ship and the captain had the ability using their codes to use it as a weapon, at least that's what I remember.
"Great Scott! In the 24th century I'm sure that trilithium is available in every corner drugstore. But in the 23rd century, it's a little hard to come by.
We had to make do with mere dilithium crystals."
The Defiant is my favourite SF ship. I always pictured a fleet of 100 of them . Would defeat anything out there. Resources from 1 Galaxy class would make 20-25 Defiants, and can crew them too.
My favorite little known fact about the Defiant is that it's so badass.
Or that the Maquis Borrowed it and took it for a joyride around the DMZ 😎
@@JeanLucCaptain Yeah, Impressive Weapons, lackluster security personnel typical Starfleet. They create awesome ships, then let them be stolen/sabotaged.
@@AlphaRaptor2k6 REBEL ROCK!
Worst-kept secret in Starfleet, then.
The only mystery is why didn't the federation build a few hundred of them. This is a vessel that easily dispose of dominion fighters in the combat.
03:45 And that scene is why I'm crying again...
You should do one were you design your own ship for a faction, or choose a ship and modify it to make it better.
I will choose the Battlestar Pegasus and modify it into... the Battlestar Pegasus. (Hard to find a way to improve on the Chuck Norris of starships).
I've made a warship in my head. I only now realise it's kind of a section 31 ship.
It should be pointed out that the mines weren’t standard issue, and weren’t normally among the Defiant’s weapons.
Absolutely - If I remember correctly, it was Rom who came up with the original idea for cloaked self-replicating mines? Otherwise, why did they make a plot point out of it if it was going to be the default go-to answer? :P
Ahhhh...to watch DS9 for the 1st time. If only I could go back.
@sc2umsmaker It also gets shown on a channel called H&I (for Heroes & Icons) 6 nights a week along with all the other Star Trek shows (except for Discovery, of course). They don't show them on Saturday nights. We get that channel over broadcast so I'm not sure how widespread it is or if the schedule is even the same everywhere that does get it.
@sc2umsmaker DVD or Blu-Ray -- no subscriptions or high-speed internet needed, and no total-dependence on corporate cloud services that may or may not be cancelled someday at the whim of some greedy CEO.
I'm experiencing that now. I never gave it a chance back when it was in first run syndication. It is an amazing show. I was too dumb to truly appreciate it back then.
@@KamikazeSteve That's exactly how I got into it. But honestly it's going way too fast - I just got to part 2 of the episode where Rom laid the self replicating mines. After that ending with Dukat, I've decided to slow down and watch it via streaming. If that's possible.
I remember watching DS9 for the first time when it came out. I was insanely bored >_
The detachable part of the ship was called the "Captain's Yacht" and was used for the captain to abandon ship at the very end. Also every federation ship could "theoretically" land on a planet if necessary.
yes...(coughs in Enterprise D saucer)
hate to tell ya but the mines were a one-off, not part of the Defiant
Roms idea.....
The defiant had trilithium resin onboard because it’s a dangerous byproduct found in all warp cores. The enterprise D had trilithium resin on it too, it just doesn’t come up in conversation in more than one episode.
The best star trek ship
Other than what people have pointed out about the self replicating mines, I actually had no clue about warheads in the navigational deflector. I've seen schematics with it having separation capabilities but it's actually quite neat and would be a nice "last option" kind of thing. Pile a bunch of quantum torpedoes and tricobalt mines or warheads in there and remotely pilot it to where it could do some serious damage.
when i first saw First Contact and saw Defiant with its hull damaged, I had thought that was a hull hit, like seeing another starship getting hit, not ablative armor (all ships looked like that, even Defiant, when it was hit a second time as Enterprise passed them by)
Makes tons more sense for the Defiant being able to land than Voyager
I love how this a good proper title instead of "10 never before heard secrets of the defiant" or some thing silly and click baity
Thank you for this video. This is my favorite ship from the Star Trek series.
I already knew about all of these features/weapons (& more) after taking delivery of MY Defiant Class Warship & read the Owners Manual. 😉
This is great. His commentary is so convincing it almost makes me think this is real technology and not something made up for an old TV show.
Which Sci-Fi faction has the best Starfighters: Galactic Republic(Star Wars), Imperial Navy(40k), Terran Dominion(Starcraft), Systems Alliance(Mass Effect), UNSC(Halo),Helghan Empire(Killzone)
The colonial vipers mk 2-7 from battlestar Galactica would be a good to throw into the mix
Obviously Star Trek as they almost have none (Wink)
@@lukasperuzovic1429 Well there's the peregrin fighters. and Runabouts kind of count
Babylon 5's Starfuries may not be the most powerful, but they are the best designed starfighter for space.
If you want a combination of good space design and power though, there's always the Star League Gunstar from _The Last Starfighter._
Gunstar one from the Last Starfighter
I know this is old but a few tidbits:
The mines were not standard. Those were a custom design made specifically to be used in blocking the wormhole.
Trilithium seems to be a normal by product of Starfleet warp cores. The Enterprise D had it on-board as well. The episode where the crew stops at a starbase to have a baryon sweep performed (and Picard goes Rambo) features the bad guys trying to steal trilithium from the warp core.
Just wanted to point that stuff out in case viewers before me missed it! Thanks!
Love the videos!
"Worf's karaoke room". Damn, you had me there for a moment.
AKA the Bridge.
@@hudsonball4702 The acoustics are favorable.
Only the original prototype USS Defiant had a romulan built cloaking device in a deviation of the treaty with the Romulan Empire.
This wasn’t a standard design feature on the further constructed defiant class escort ships (read: war ship).
...to put it simply, it's overgunned and overpowered for a ship its size.
Being small is also perk. Smaller target.
They DID mention that in the show. And it was done deliberately.
I know. Not sure but there's a small chance it could blow up a few hundred tie fighters before retreating.
@@denniswilson3902 That's the exact line lol
Smaller size meant it was easier to handle and harder to hit in a fight so they could do bombing runs on a ship twice its size.
MISTAKE - the nav deflector isnt used in warp, its used at impulse speeds.
nb- a warp field will natrually deflect debris by its wake motion forward.
An its also possible that treks own writers may not know this.
However, according to current warp theory the warp bubble will trap energetic particles which you'll find all over the place as solar wind and cosmic radiation. When the warp field collapses these will immediately disperse. Depending how far you've gone this could well instantly vaporise your ship. That's probably what the navigational deflector is for at warp. Also explains why they work as a defence against lasers- the photons are scattered away from the ship just as it would at warp.
The navigational deflector is also part of the long range sensor array, when in warp or impulse use, it is designed to move space debris and such out of the way protecting the ship from damage, it is also part of the warp drive system, without the navigational deflector, according to Treknology, the ship cannot go to warp, since it will have no protection.
@@ChefDansHookah Many of the old TOS-era ships lacked a deflector dish entirely, yet had warp drive. (But the art department probably just didn't care.)
My favorite detail about the Defiant is Captain Sisko´s sheer badassery.
Technically he commits a war crime, but the planet can still be colonized, just not by humans.
And given how his opponent operates he has little choice.
War, is always total war. Its only a war crime if you lose.
I've been the biggest trek fan in the world (yes, the whole world) since I was 13. Just can't believe I didn't know about the front section being able to operate independently of the main ship!! Thanks, I guess I'm gonna have read more of the tech manuals.
mabye in Fist Contact, the launch controls for the warhead were knocked out or other damage prevented firing it...
Hello friend. I am a huge star trek fan including Harry Potter and fantastic beasts. My favorite ship is the Defient. It's such a complex ship not like your traditional star fleet ship. My favorite part of the ship is the bridge and the cloaking device. Both are 2 exceptional Starfleet designs. I love how the bridge is hidden within the ship and the cloaking device helps it from being seen from enemy ships. Whoever designed the defiant was brilliant and I never knew that were the deflector dish that is a warhead it never occurred to me. But then again I've never seen it used in any episode of deep space Nine's shows but like you said if it was used warp travel would be impossible. I have an eaglemoss defiant replica in my Star Trek replica ships I have about 12 eaglemoss ships including the defiant. I cherish them every day. Enterprise NX Class, enterprise A, Enterprise B, enterprise D, Voyager, Equinox, Romulan war bird, Klingon bird of pray and the Defient. All my pride and joys. Thank you for sharing and letting me share with you today. Your loyal and faithful fan, Anastasia...💋😘💋😘
Don't forget that it could expand and contract to be 10 times larger or smaller under different episodes of the show. Sometimes it was the size of a shuttle and other times the size of a Constitution class ship.
Rom invented the self replicating mines. Trilithium was a by product of the warp engines (see TNG season 6 episode Starship Mine) so effectively all ships carried trilithium.
"Fascinating!"
-Dr. Leonard McCoy, The Undiscovered Country.
That's damned illogical!
Search for Spock.
In a book I read of a defiant class that was painted flat black to increase its stealth.
I found the idea so cool, when a got a model kit of the Defiant I painted flat black and it looks cool as well as a more practical color for a war ship. Of course filming would suck as to why white, light grey and light green are the colors used.
My favorite Starfleet ship, “size doesn’t matter”
ah the DS9 technical manual, i havent seen that in 20 years. Great video, im glad someone finally discussed the Defiants super weapon, the detachable warhead.
The Defiant on DS9, one of the last truly great ideas to come out of the Star Trek franchise.
Remember when they had a Romulan Officer from the Ro ulan Empire stationed on the Defiant to operate the Cloaking Field for a couple episodes? I miss those days...
The self replicating mines weren't a standard feature but were only being used in one instance.
Actually, Opps and Conn were not merged. Conn was left in front while Opps was moved to one of the side stations. It appeared to float a bit but tended to be in the (if facing onto the bridge with the view screen at your back), at the far left console at which Nog often sat.
Also, Trilithium and Trilithium Resin are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS! Trilithium Resin is what the thieves are stealing from the Enterprise-D's warp core in the "I just want my saddle" episode of TNG. It is produced as a bi-product of standard Federation or at least Starfleet warp drives.
Forgot Sisko went Ham on the Marki lesson learned NEVER MESS WITH THE SISKO you wont win
Trilithium was a waste product produced by the ships warp engines. That's why they had it. On the TNG episode "Starship Mine", terrorists attempted to steal trilithium resin from the Enterprise while it was undergoing a baryon sweep.
"You are Generation Tech" omitted again..
They have been replaced by cyborgs.
Not just that......where’s that nice music at the end of every Generation Tech video? That was always the icing on the cake for me. Bring it back already! Any Sheldon like nerd must be already freaking out at the incompleteness of this video, OCD style....!!
I am offended! Give me my money back!
4:55 - the Defiant DOES actually have visible impulse engines. They are labelled as escape pod launchers in the deck plans in the DS9 Technical Manual though.
Rumor has it once a PADD was configured as a console, it would should sparks when the ship was hit.
Foam rocks were installed also.
Trilithium is a by product of a starfleet warp drive. There was a whole episode based around someone stealing it from the Enterprise D in TNG so not a Defiant thing, you can find it in any warp core.
Self Replicating mines aren't a Defiant thing they were something built that the defiant carried and deployed on a single mission.
In actuality the original defiant did not have ablative armor until late in season 3 or early season 4.
the ship was introduced in season 3 ep 1! ... so, it didn' t take long, did it?
@@ntigdona7487 well as I said it didn't get ablative armor until late season 3 or early season 4 and if memory serves I do believe it was the second ship that replaced the original to have the ablative armor
Defiant is the ship I like the most, after original Enterprise 1701. Voyager is also pretty badass, especially after it got future armor.
Not the Defiant, but the Defiant class Valiant apparently had landed in a crater on a moon during a cat and mouse game with the Dominion. Although not seen on screen it is discussed.
It is NOT a Defiant class of ship, it is a VALIANT class ship. Know your ships man.
@@MorphidX1 Nope the Valiant is a Defiant class ship.
USS Defiant, NX-74205. Defiant-class prototype 'escort vessel', lead ship of the class.
USS Valiant, NCC-74210. Defiant-class escort vessel.
The self-replicating mines were not standard issue for the ship. They were designed on DS9 in order to stop Dominion reinforcements from coming thru the wormhole. They did not exist until Dax and O'Brien invented them in the weeks leading up to there deployment.
so basically Starfleet has a super stealth suncrusher?!
Yes
@@LordInquisitor701 THAT IS SCARY... makes the Scimitar a lot less scary.
the saying big things come in small packages comes to mind
@@keithrees4755 Super Stealth only as long as they go along with the Romulans well, and we should not forget, that in Generations the Romulans also were working with that stuff (although I am not sure if they weaponized it, but I think they did). So the advantage of Star Fleet is not huge, if there is any - at least compared with the RSE.
@@marcbartuschka6372 TRUE if one pissed of scientist working with a 20 year old BOP can do it.
The part with the warhead where you say Worf could have fired it rather than attempt to ram the Borg Cube, you should remember that the helmsman said that weapons were down. This would most likely include the warhead. Worf may actually have been attempting to fire it from the captain's chair before hitting the panel in frustration.
That's not a warhead, its the Defiant's shuttle.
Self-replicating mines on the defiant-class ships are like having whales on every bird of prey.
The mines were not a standard feature on the Defiant. They were made for a one time purpose: prevent the Dominion from coming through the wormhole.
Based on the show there's no reason to believe the front section can come off. They never state that in the tv show. Otherwise great video.
To the Generation Tech guy, and everyone else, this is my comments on all 10 of the features mentioned.
1: Sunken Bridge Design.
In trek, the bridge area of a Starfleet ship is the most shielded area. But obviously it's not consistent in all Trek. The sunken bridge is more like the control-room in a typical modern submarine. Which makes sense.
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2: Ablative Armour.
Yes, it was designed to fight the Borg who are nasty at taking down shields. Makes sense.
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3: Twin Tactical Stations.
Of course. Nuf said. Moving on...
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4: Warhead.
This would fit a "suicide" attack ship designed originally to fight the Borg. Much like torpedo boats in WW2.
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5: Escape Pods.
Personally I think this was added later for plot purposes to let the Defiant have a "glorious" death without killing all the main characters, heh! Fighting the Borg, this wouldn't make sense since everyone in the pod and the pod itself could easily be assimilated. It would be unnecessary bulk on a ship designed purely for attack. Normal escape pods would sufice. Either the Borg goes after you or doesn't care. Honestly, high-tech pods would attract their attention more than crappy life-boats. "Suicide" ramming pods would make more sense, I suppose. That's my opinion.
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6: Stealth Design.
Yes, it is certainly not a diplomatic ship like typical Federation ships. Pure warship designed to sneak in fast and hit hard.
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7: Shuttle Pods.
Probably originally for extended scouting range. The big one was added later, again for plot purposes, which is cool anyways. :)
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8: Self Replicating Mines.
Like others have pointed out, not a normal payload. But it does show the versatility of this craft's armament based on the mission. Much like WW2 submarines could carry torpedoes or mines, or a combination. The self-replicating cloaked mines was a lazy plot way to make an impenetrable shield. But yeah, still awesome. :P
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9: Trilithium
Meh, whatever. One of those "magic" things in Trek like protomatter.
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10: It Can Land on a Planet.
Yeah, I would hope so. I'd be surprised if it couldn't and could only dock with it's warhead nose-thingy.
I would think the trilithium were a bluff is it weren't for the looks on the faces of kira and dax
Sisko would pimp hand slap a planet into oblivion
A lot of people don't know about the Captain's Yacht (shuttle) on the USS Voyager also that's built into the under belly of the ship. I wish Captain Janeway would have used it on one of the episodes.
It was officially the aero shuttle, and the idea was that it could be a little like a runabout in terms of its use. However it was deemed too expensive to create the docking capability on the model so it just remained there as an outline. Apparently there was to have been a plot where in universe the thing was unfinished but B'Leanna jerry rigged it. This would have been toward the end of season one, however the season was truncated due to a writers strike so that never happened.
Later on they built the Delta Flyer from scratch, which did the job the Aero Shuttle was conceived to do. By the time the Flyer was built the costly launch model sequence for the Aero Shuttle could have been done by a relatively inexpensive CGI effect. In fact in 'Extreme Risk' Voyager, the Maylon Shio, The Maylon Shuttle and the Flyer were all CGI at the climax.
Uhh Boi my man the British Ben is back again!
Sorry Allen but i just missed him...
Best ST series and most under rated
Gups Aye! Totally agree with you. BTW, I’ve owned 2 cars that I dubbed “The Defiant”. One of them was a Black Mazda MX-3, reminiscent of a flying saucer with wheels.
Uh, DS9 is pretty overrated.
I’m my opinion, Voyager is the most underrated.
You haven't heard REAL music until you have heard, and sung, Klingon kareoke, Ben.
Being able to land on a planet's surface could possibly prevent any Betazeds from crashing the damned thing. Twice.
HALF-Betazeds
@@hudsonball4702 true; my bad. Would a full Betazed be a better pilot , you think ? Inquiring minds, and such.
@@maryellencook9528 Who knows. Both instances were pretty much out of her control anyway. Crash landing a battle battered and partially disabled saucer section and Picard's ramming gambit.
REAL Music, you haven't heard real music until you have heard all 1001 verses of the Iliad sung in the original Klingon.
@@andrewbarnett84 K'pla! If you can do THAT, you are a true Klingon warrior. I am only the lowly human chief medical officer and surgeon general to the Intergalactic Klingon Empire, now retired after many years of service. I cannot even bring myself to drink the true Warriors drink ,prune juice, because I find it too caustic for my system.
In the DS9 episode "A Call To Arms" Rom came up with the idea of self-replicating mines, The Defiant was outfitted to deploy the mines, like the comment below, it was not a standard feature. Your comment on the shuttlebays was interesting though, as far as I knew, it only carried 3 shuttles, and launched from the center ventral bay, though your mentioning that it was previously unused space for extra weapons or tactical ops is certainly plausible. The warhead section in a tech blueprint showed on operation console in it, made me wonder if it was just a forward tactical control place, or a seat for a kamikaze pilot. Doesn't feel right that it would be a suicide mission if launched. Like below again, trilithium was a waste product of warp core use, not a standard supply. In the Treaty of Algeron, the treaty between the United Federation of Planets and the Romulan Star Empire which defined the Romulan Neutral Zone, the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology. The Defiant's cloaking device was on loan from the Romulans in exchange for any and all information the Federation had and will get regarding the Dominion, also part of the agreement for use of the cloaking device was the forbiddance of using it in the Alpha Quadrant. A little tidbit of information - Earth and much of Federation space according to most space maps is in the Beta Quadrant. Technically, it could be used there. At any rate, all of this was great information. Thank you kindly.
My favorite: I did not know that it had 3 shuttle bays.
I heard about the 2 smaller ones on another video talking about the abilities of that class and that they were to small for a shuttle. This makes since with the built in stealth tech(not counting aftermarket cloak) and landing ability though. Fill them with small ground vehicles and land an assault team which then uses the ground/super low altitude vehicles to attack a base on the planet by going in under the radar.
You can also find the deckplans (lots of blue colour) online in images.
It's like some starfleet engineer said to himself. "I have idea, lets make the bridge very obvious so everyone will know exactly where they shoot target their weapons."
Rip everyone in that module when it launches,
Little known fact - Defiant class wasn’t specifically designed with the Ablative hull armor built in. That was a modification that the Defiant had added to it. (DS9 Paradise lost the captain points out how it was equipped with the armor and someone neglected to inform Starfleet command). It might have been added from then on ect... but, in the very least, initial designs didn’t have it.
So many people have said about the mines so there’s no point mentioning it. The front part can act as a single shot passer array too.
The pulse phasers were designed to fire in pluses as it’s harder for the Borg to adapt.
Can we build an at-at in real life
@Generation Tech, ALL. Because the Defiant is just THAT AWESOME.
GAGGLE MODE ACTIVATE! FORM OF... CHICKEN! and the enemy looked on in horror as their worst nightmare came to life, and the escape pod chicken monster took over the universe.
You had my like as soon as you said that the bridge should be deep within the vessel! That's something I've ranted about for years XD
Toughest "little" ship EVER
I love all your videos and I think you guys are doing an awesome job. Would you consider doing a comparison video on the different weapons like turbo lasers or phasers, something like that.
Live long and prosper.
You sir lost all credibility when you stated self replicating mines were standard to the Defiant. Actually watch DS9 you'll see where they actually come from.
after all those years this little ship is still a phenomenon
As usual - ZERO TOILETS ON BOARD.
My theory always was high-precision fecal matter transportation. Shit-beaming.
I learned something new. That there is a deep space 9 technical manual. The defiant is a beautiful ship.
... ablative armor does not help with kinetic weapons, it helps with energy weapons!!!! most of star treks weapons are energy based anyhow. Why did you say kinetic!
It does help protect against energy and kinetic weapon damage, it is designed to break, melt, burn, or vaporize away leaving what's underneath it protected. Think of Kevlar, or a knight's armor, it will protect, however eventually it will weaken and break apart, damaging what's underneath from repeated attack.
@@ChefDansHookah Armor does, not ablative. Ablative armor is meant to be struck by a energy weapon and dissipate the energy by creating a cloud of dust or smoke that disperses the beam. An ablative armor might also double as kinetic armor but ablative does not mean its meant to adsorb kinetic.
wanna know the secret to stopping any military laser in modern world? smoke launchers :D it disperses light so it no longer is a focus beam.
It also had quantum sensors for detecting time problems or temporal issues like TARDIS's and time jumps, etc,.
Pretty sure that's not exclusive to the Defiant - the Federation standard issue everything sensor is, well, standard issue.