Remember they did this with Gentlemen? They gave him one more year to really screw things up. Kenny Golladay signing out of desperation. Yeah that's what will happen again if Deboll is fired and Schoen gets another year
Shame on you if you decide to keep Schoen but fire Daboll, the GM is so much more responsible for this embarrassment yet he gets to keep his job while the HC is the scapegoat, we will never accept that decision if that is taken, you either keep both or fire both.
I tend to agree. I have seen our receivers streaking wide open down the field while Dabes was screaming at Jones "THROW THE FUCKIN BALL!!!!!" Who knows what kind of Head Coach Dabes would be if he had a real QB? Schoen on the other hand has proven to be a really bad GM.
Schoen drafted the right players daboll didn't coach the players well daboll game planning and depth chart management is bad and gave joe scheon a bad rep schoen stays
It would be absurd to keep Shoen! He is even worse than Gettleman!!! Our team is worse now than it was during the DG years! DG sucked with the cap but brought in way more talent! Daboll & Shoen are both frauds! Notice the Offense went to hell once Daboll took over the reigns from Kafka? Notice that Wink couldn’t stand Daboll? Daboll is not a good HC! He may not even be that good of an OC without a good HC to lead him.
No Please Mr. Mara fix this dumpster fire! Everyone must go. Joe Schoen is worse at his job then Brian Daboll is at his. After all Joe Schoen pick Daboll over Brian Flores for one. As a result no Free Agents or rookies want to go to the Giants. Shame on both of them thank you for a memorable 100 year anniversary.
Saquon Barkley and Xavier McKinney never worked out because for the most part - They never stayed healthy when it counted outside the one playoff run. No matter how talented they are - Spending big cap money for players that fail to stay healthy for more than half their careers never works. Joe Schoen did the right thing letting them go. It frees up big cap space and provides room to put other talent in free agency and trades along with getting a QB in the draft. It all gives the Giants a chance for a fresh start next season.
This guy is a stooge. Clearly a mouthpiece for the organization. Why would you repeat past mistakes and only take a half measure. It’s part of the reason why this franchise has tanked.
Not Brian Daboll's fault. Schoen is absolutely awful at roster building. He has let a lot of talent walk and his drafts are mediocre at best. Daboll cannot coach players with limited skills that would be on practice squads of a majority of NFL teams. Schoen is the one that should be fired. Which would probably mean the end for Daboll too. (I am sure John Mara is thrilled with the MVP chants for Saquon at the Linc, and may be poised to break Eric Dickerson's single season rushing record....while playing the Giants!)
@@jeremyarodriguezWhy not? He knows the offensive system, which is not bad when called with common sense. Brandon is just a year or two removed from the Eagles, and they seem to know how to evaluate talent. Let them fill in the remaining coaching needs and we might just have something special in two years! Oh and we would not go into a game with a damaged field Goal kicker too.
Stop it. So u want the assistant to the assistant gm to lead the organization? You want the demoted oc to be hc? How about a gm that has a proven history not another intern rookie gm/rookie head coach combo.
There is "feeling in the building that Schoen knows what he's doing??" This jackass has shown Barkley, McKinney, Leonard Williams, and Julian Love the door while drafting horribly, and screwing up the cap. Name ONE area of this team that is better since Schoen got here. I'll wait...........................
You can argue there is not one reason Shoen should stay. Give me the top reason to keep him. Daboll was a dead man walking aonth ago! This is a pathetic excuse for a TEAM on their 100th year anniversary. I respect no one in this organization right now.
"The biggest problem is they won nine games and a playoff game in year one..." No, the biggest problem is they have gotten worse as the last regime's players went elsewhere.
@ I’m not sure it was a fluke, so much that the talent disparity grew more significant. The offensive line regressed, draft picks didn’t produce and obviously the musical chairs at QB didn’t help.
Dabol is a FAILED HC, actually Josh Allen has IMPROVED AFTER , Dabol left. Dabol started 6-2 and since then , the on field performance has CRATERED! I have another way for the GM/HC…GO AWAY !
2022 record (9-7-1 and 4-7-1 Conf) beat a terrible Viking team and smoked by Eagles in Playoffs 2023 record (6-11 and 5-7 Conf) - no post season. Forced Wink out and let #26 leave 2024 record (2-12, 0-8 at home and 0-5 Conf) - eliminated from post season on Thanksgiving and they think he knows what he's doing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Giants should keep Schoen and Daboll, even though Daboll mishandled Daniel Jones. If the Giants hire another GM and coach, the new GM and coach will need to learn and make mistakes. Joe Schoen had an excellent draft in 2024.
It’s one thing to vent one’s frustrations with the perennial awfulness that are the New York Giants. But it’s knee jerk to say fire the coach, fire the GM. What you have to do is ask yourself who are we going to replace them with? There are at least 4 NFL head coaching jobs open at the end of the year. In my opinion the Giants are the worst of the four for the simple reason that they have the least amount of talent. How come all of the pundits are saying fire fire fire but none of them are listing the possible replacements. So come on pundits tell us who are these replacements are and how likely is it that they choose the Giants and not one of the other NFL jobs?
I think this is an interesting take. You could argue, and im not even saying i think its true, but you could argue that Schoen brought in talent and Daboll ruined them with bad coaching. Thats not my viewpoint, but you could argue that.
There's no argument in support of that, Schoen is the one that imposed incompetent Quarterbacks on Daboll for another year, the playoff run in 2022 was because of the HC making the most out of mostly Gettleman's roster, Schoen was the one that let Barkley and McKinney go, so how dare the person more responsible for this mess be rewarded while the person that's shown more flashes of success be the scapegoat.
@@acegarcia3719 A. I didnt say I agreed with it, more of a devils advocate kind of thing. B. But “no argument?” Evan Neal was one of the most highly graded tackles in the last 10 years, by any estimation a sure hit. JMS the best center in the draft and not near Evan Neal’s grading, but good. KT is ok, but way under performing for where he was drafted. Some good draft picks turned to shit under Daboll. Theres more, but im working and cant post bad coaching results all day. The point is one could make the argument and would have at least a few arguments definitely not zero.
@ He did, in the first year, with a team he had almost no input in building. With Kafka calling the plays. But again, read my comment, I am playing devils advocate here. I am putting forth a position I dont actually believe to try to show its not insane to think Daboll would be fired and schoen kept. It seems too complicated to make a comment in TH-cam where the dummies who read it are required to use some abstract thought. What about this To add to my pretend position? Daboll is a good offensive motivator and play designer, he hasnt shown hes a good play caller, worst offense weve shown yet is his play calling, the best in this regimes history is not him at all. The state of the locker room now could mean he is not a good leader of men when the chips are down. We don’t truly know. The problem with humans is we decide we believe something and then shut our mind to different viewpoints, I like to be sure not to do that. This is a different viewpoint, and the reasons it might be right, even though my own belief is that the entire regime has to go, the decline has been too drastic with no improvement at all. We are so much more than DJ away from being winners, I think thats what the fanbase hoped, but it was only going to get worse because he was not the problem, just a symptom of it.
Well, GM has no eye for talent and was unable to put together a mediocre team at minimum after 3 years. The Head Coach is an absolute mess. Zero leadership skills and the players are not buying what he is selling anymore. Mara will be out of his mind of he thinks these two can take his team to a Super Bowl!
If it’s one and not the other please get rid of Joe shame he does and shows nothing for the team. Besides the locker room being lost daboll may be hated but if he’s hated then Joe shame is definitely on the hot seat!
This last draft might’ve saved Joe lol The two before that were pretty bad. We should’ve resigned Love but it was the right thing to do to let McKinney and saquon walk Excited about Tracey
Considering someone from the org contacted another channel who made a video about getting rid of Joe shitstain. I'd guess they really wanna keep him to remain the laughingstock of the NFL.
When Vance Joseph, Arthur Smith, or any other washed retread is announced as the head coach, I will laugh in your face, and never let you live it down.
Can the progress should be the question. Do they have potential. DC on Lions was a nothing burger team. I can physically see what Schoen has learned. I hear people say they like Daboll play calling n he's not screaming in his headset. I see him learning. The o line coach is a good addition. I think they deserve a chance with a new QB. Players aren't mouthing off so they have more control than the Jets n some other teams out there.
Joe schoen is a gm he has nothing to do with demoting a oc those are coaching desicions substitutions and depth chart management game planing etc are all coaching decisions.daboll needs to leave, schoen stays💯
As a Giants fan I'm glad that both Schoen and Daboll are staying. Joe Schoen has put some nice pieces to build around the roster here and there. It's the coaches job to put it together and Make it work. The only problem is - They never had the quarterback. In a QB driven league - Even Bill Belichick couldn't win without one. How does anyone expect Daboll to do it ? A coach without a quarterback is similar to a cab driver without a steering wheel - He can't do the job without it. Is it fair to fire the coach anymore than the cabby ? Let the Giants lose out and that QB problem is an oversight that will soon be corrected in the NFL Draft.
This is a stupid title and a stupid take, fire them both. Schoen is a horrible talent evaluator and set the team back. He’s given Daboll horrible players to work with, no coach can do anything with a team of practice squad guys
I just ger tirednof the SPECULATIONS all year long. Either report factual inside news or not. Don't play the, well this MIGHT happen and that MIGHT happen....
@ I would love for the both of them should be fired But I would rather keep Dabol and get rid of Joe he just not good at picking talent he has missed on a lot of draft picks. NFL he's a Joke 😭
Let’s keep both! The TANK is on and the prize is the number one 1 pick. Let’s not shoot either of them… they were hired to select our next QB let’s let them do that
I'm sorry you have to get rid of both this is bologna 🤬🤬
Fire both. Roster is below average but the coaching makes it rock bottom
If they do that I will never support this team again
Remember they did this with Gentlemen? They gave him one more year to really screw things up. Kenny Golladay signing out of desperation. Yeah that's what will happen again if Deboll is fired and Schoen gets another year
Absolutely ridiculous. Schoen needs to go.
Shame on you if you decide to keep Schoen but fire Daboll, the GM is so much more responsible for this embarrassment yet he gets to keep his job while the HC is the scapegoat, we will never accept that decision if that is taken, you either keep both or fire both.
@acegarcia3719 no the gm did his job the coach hasn't coached well
If anything, fire Schoen and keep Daboll.
I tend to agree. I have seen our receivers streaking wide open down the field while Dabes was screaming at Jones "THROW THE FUCKIN BALL!!!!!"
Who knows what kind of Head Coach Dabes would be if he had a real QB?
Schoen on the other hand has proven to be a really bad GM.
You can’t do that…..no one wants to be hired and not get a chance to choose their coach. You keep Daboll, you HAVE to keep Joe
I agree Daboll should go. He has not brought things together. His play calling and player evaluations is substandard.
Schoen deserves to be fired!
Schoen drafted the right players daboll didn't coach the players well daboll game planning and depth chart management is bad and gave joe scheon a bad rep schoen stays
Joe has to go. Bad drafts...c'mon
It would be absurd to keep Shoen! He is even worse than Gettleman!!! Our team is worse now than it was during the DG years! DG sucked with the cap but brought in way more talent! Daboll & Shoen are both frauds! Notice the Offense went to hell once Daboll took over the reigns from Kafka? Notice that Wink couldn’t stand Daboll? Daboll is not a good HC! He may not even be that good of an OC without a good HC to lead him.
No Please Mr. Mara fix this dumpster fire! Everyone must go. Joe Schoen is worse at his job then Brian Daboll is at his. After all Joe Schoen pick Daboll over Brian Flores for one. As a result no Free Agents or rookies want to go to the Giants. Shame on both of them thank you for a memorable 100 year anniversary.
G.m. has proven he cant build a team , he let Great talent walk away, giants dont give up on talent ,the coach has lost his way ,both need to go
Saquon Barkley and Xavier McKinney never worked out because for the most part - They never stayed healthy when it counted outside the one playoff run. No matter how talented they are - Spending big cap money for players that fail to stay healthy for more than half their careers never works. Joe Schoen did the right thing letting them go. It frees up big cap space and provides room to put other talent in free agency and trades along with getting a QB in the draft. It all gives the Giants a chance for a fresh start next season.
This guy is a stooge. Clearly a mouthpiece for the organization. Why would you repeat past mistakes and only take a half measure. It’s part of the reason why this franchise has tanked.
Schoen is a slimy used car salesman. He would definitely sell out Daboll to keep his own job.
Well said and agree!
Not Brian Daboll's fault.
Schoen is absolutely awful at roster building. He has let a lot of talent walk and his drafts are mediocre at best.
Daboll cannot coach players with limited skills that would be on practice squads of a majority of NFL teams.
Schoen is the one that should be fired.
Which would probably mean the end for Daboll too.
(I am sure John Mara is thrilled with the MVP chants for Saquon at the Linc, and may be poised to break Eric Dickerson's single season rushing record....while playing the Giants!)
Get rid of both
BRANDON BROWN TO GM, MIKE KAFKA TO HEAD COACH. FIRE THE ENTIRE DEFENSIVE STAFF AND BRING IN A BLITZ-HEAVY COACH. DUMP THE SPECIAL TEAMS STAFF. NOW
No thanks. That's the old giants way that never worker either. Promoting from within. It didn't work in the Reese/Coughlin era
Kafka to head coach… really? 😂
@@jeremyarodriguezWhy not? He knows the offensive system, which is not bad when called with common sense. Brandon is just a year or two removed from the Eagles, and they seem to know how to evaluate talent. Let them fill in the remaining coaching needs and we might just have something special in two years! Oh and we would not go into a game with a damaged field Goal kicker too.
Stop it. So u want the assistant to the assistant gm to lead the organization? You want the demoted oc to be hc? How about a gm that has a proven history not another intern rookie gm/rookie head coach combo.
It will work. Joe Schoen & Brian Dabol (Ego) demoted the OC. That worked out well!
There is "feeling in the building that Schoen knows what he's doing??"
This jackass has shown Barkley, McKinney, Leonard Williams, and Julian Love the door while drafting horribly, and screwing up the cap.
Name ONE area of this team that is better since Schoen got here. I'll wait...........................
Spot on! Pure mismanagement.
100% Agree and he's an arrogant dope.
Both need to go and Mara is a fool if he’s trying to convince the fans through Paul or Art that either Schoen or Daboll should stay. No thanks!!!!
Nope . Keep them as a package deal and ship that package right out of town .
You can argue there is not one reason Shoen should stay. Give me the top reason to keep him. Daboll was a dead man walking aonth ago! This is a pathetic excuse for a TEAM on their 100th year anniversary. I respect no one in this organization right now.
"The biggest problem is they won nine games and a playoff game in year one..."
No, the biggest problem is they have gotten worse as the last regime's players went elsewhere.
And it's the job of the front office to correctly evaluate how close you actually are, many argued it was a fluke and that's what it was.
@ I’m not sure it was a fluke, so much that the talent disparity grew more significant. The offensive line regressed, draft picks didn’t produce and obviously the musical chairs at QB didn’t help.
Winning solves a lot of problems.
Dabol is a FAILED HC, actually Josh Allen has IMPROVED AFTER , Dabol left. Dabol started 6-2 and since then , the on field performance has CRATERED!
I have another way for the GM/HC…GO AWAY !
Mara will keep both..........................................
2022 record (9-7-1 and 4-7-1 Conf) beat a terrible Viking team and smoked by Eagles in Playoffs
2023 record (6-11 and 5-7 Conf) - no post season. Forced Wink out and let #26 leave
2024 record (2-12, 0-8 at home and 0-5 Conf) - eliminated from post season on Thanksgiving
and they think he knows what he's doing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Either they both stay or both go no reason to keep one they came as a team they should leave together
The Giants should keep Schoen and Daboll, even though Daboll mishandled Daniel Jones. If the Giants hire another GM and coach, the new GM and coach will need to learn and make mistakes. Joe Schoen had an excellent draft in 2024.
They need to go… that’s it.
Daboll > Joe
Deboll is garbage and so is the dude who hired him
It’s one thing to vent one’s frustrations with the perennial awfulness that are the New York Giants. But it’s knee jerk to say fire the coach, fire the GM. What you have to do is ask yourself who are we going to replace them with? There are at least 4 NFL head coaching jobs open at the end of the year. In my opinion the Giants are the worst of the four for the simple reason that they have the least amount of talent. How come all of the pundits are saying fire fire fire but none of them are listing the possible replacements. So come on pundits tell us who are these replacements are and how likely is it that they choose the Giants and not one of the other NFL jobs?
“Be more patient” - like 6 years of Jones?
That would be a terrible decision. This mediocre roster is Schoen's roster. Get rid of both.
I agree. Schoen must go. He has not proven himself anything. At least Daboll has been coaching for last 20 years
I think this is an interesting take. You could argue, and im not even saying i think its true, but you could argue that Schoen brought in talent and Daboll ruined them with bad coaching. Thats not my viewpoint, but you could argue that.
You literally can't argue that
There's no argument in support of that, Schoen is the one that imposed incompetent Quarterbacks on Daboll for another year, the playoff run in 2022 was because of the HC making the most out of mostly Gettleman's roster, Schoen was the one that let Barkley and McKinney go, so how dare the person more responsible for this mess be rewarded while the person that's shown more flashes of success be the scapegoat.
@@acegarcia3719 A. I didnt say I agreed with it, more of a devils advocate kind of thing.
B. But “no argument?” Evan Neal was one of the most highly graded tackles in the last 10 years, by any estimation a sure hit. JMS the best center in the draft and not near Evan Neal’s grading, but good. KT is ok, but way under performing for where he was drafted. Some good draft picks turned to shit under Daboll. Theres more, but im working and cant post bad coaching results all day. The point is one could make the argument and would have at least a few arguments definitely not zero.
Didn't Daboll take the Giants to the playoffs a couple of seasons ago.....
@ He did, in the first year, with a team he had almost no input in building. With Kafka calling the plays. But again, read my comment, I am playing devils advocate here. I am putting forth a position I dont actually believe to try to show its not insane to think Daboll would be fired and schoen kept. It seems too complicated to make a comment in TH-cam where the dummies who read it are required to use some abstract thought. What about this
To add to my pretend position? Daboll is a good offensive motivator and play designer, he hasnt shown hes a good play caller, worst offense weve shown yet is his play calling, the best in this regimes history is not him at all. The state of the locker room now could mean he is not a good leader of men when the chips are down. We don’t truly know. The problem with humans is we decide we believe something and then shut our mind to different viewpoints, I like to be sure not to do that. This is a different viewpoint, and the reasons it might be right, even though my own belief is that the entire regime has to go, the decline has been too drastic with no improvement at all. We are so much more than DJ away from being winners, I think thats what the fanbase hoped, but it was only going to get worse because he was not the problem, just a symptom of it.
If u fire Daboll, u need to fire both. Schoen is no good GM himself cos he shaped the roster that Daboll has to play
Giants ownership is poor and has bad judgement, so this absurd idea is not surprising given how terrible Mara is.
I think they will fire Joe n promote Daboll to Gm
so what I am hearing is we’re getting Shedeur and Deion? 🤩🙌🏼
Wrong way around. Look what Schoen has let go! Daboll doesn’t have a lot to work with, let’s be honest about it.
Well, GM has no eye for talent and was unable to put together a mediocre team at minimum after 3 years. The Head Coach is an absolute mess. Zero leadership skills and the players are not buying what he is selling anymore. Mara will be out of his mind of he thinks these two can take his team to a Super Bowl!
If it’s one and not the other please get rid of Joe shame he does and shows nothing for the team. Besides the locker room being lost daboll may be hated but if he’s hated then Joe shame is definitely on the hot seat!
The SHOULD be a package deal, sack em both!
How insane would that be
They'd be stupid to do so. The GM is the problem, not the coach. Fire Jake (Joe) the Snake Schoen!
Lets hope Paul is wrong. Like he was wrong about there not being friction between Wink and Daboll during last season!
The scouts need to all go too.
This last draft might’ve saved Joe lol
The two before that were pretty bad. We should’ve resigned Love but it was the right thing to do to let McKinney and saquon walk
Excited about Tracey
Considering someone from the org contacted another channel who made a video about getting rid of Joe shitstain. I'd guess they really wanna keep him to remain the laughingstock of the NFL.
When Vance Joseph, Arthur Smith, or any other washed retread is announced as the head coach, I will laugh in your face, and never let you live it down.
Heads are going to roll. And Mister Potatoeheads is on the chopping block.
Nooo it’s Joe fault lol if one leaves they both leave if not then keep them because I want daboll, they can fire Joe lmao
The GM's terrible! He missed on the picks, let Barkley and other walk, hasn't built a competitive team.
Darius Slayton can step off too.
Saquon and McKinney are playing like pro bowlers leading their teams to the playoffs. I want both gone but Schoen first. ✌🏽✌🏽✌🏽
Fire the scout team !!!!!
Can the progress should be the question. Do they have potential. DC on Lions was a nothing burger team. I can physically see what Schoen has learned. I hear people say they like Daboll play calling n he's not screaming in his headset. I see him learning. The o line coach is a good addition. I think they deserve a chance with a new QB. Players aren't mouthing off so they have more control than the Jets n some other teams out there.
neither guy is going.
Joe schoen is a gm he has nothing to do with demoting a oc those are coaching desicions substitutions and depth chart management game planing etc are all coaching decisions.daboll needs to leave, schoen stays💯
So you treat the symptom and ignore the disease. Great.
Joe should be fired asap
As a Giants fan I'm glad that both Schoen and Daboll are staying. Joe Schoen has put some nice pieces to build around the roster here and there. It's the coaches job to put it together and Make it work. The only problem is - They never had the quarterback.
In a QB driven league - Even Bill Belichick couldn't win without one. How does anyone expect Daboll to do it ?
A coach without a quarterback is similar to a cab driver without a steering wheel - He can't do the job without it. Is it fair to fire the coach anymore than the cabby ?
Let the Giants lose out and that QB problem is an oversight that will soon be corrected in the NFL Draft.
Package deal!!!!!!!!!
Winnable games please 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 giants would struggle against NAVY…….
This is a stupid title and a stupid take, fire them both. Schoen is a horrible talent evaluator and set the team back. He’s given Daboll horrible players to work with, no coach can do anything with a team of practice squad guys
You have to look at them separately and they both stink. Period
Keep Coach, bye to the con artist GM
I just ger tirednof the SPECULATIONS all year long. Either report factual inside news or not. Don't play the, well this MIGHT happen and that MIGHT happen....
Whoever gave Jones the extension has to take responsibility. You commit a crime, you face the time. All of them, including Mara needs to go.
Terrible interview, useless information. Neither of these two have anything to offer.
@ I would love for the both of them should be fired
But I would rather keep Dabol and get rid of Joe he just not good at picking talent he has missed on a lot of draft picks. NFL he's a Joke 😭
Let’s keep both! The TANK is on and the prize is the number one 1 pick.
Let’s not shoot either of them… they were hired to select our next QB let’s let them do that
I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT. I WANT DABOLL TO AT LEAST FINISH OUT HIS CONTRACT AND TRULY BELIEVE HE WILL GET US TO THE PLAYOFFS NEXT SEASON!
Completely useless video