Know it well, Ive had to abandon my car in the car park there twice because it was grid locked, cam back hours later to get it. There is quite a height difference between Cheviot Street Recreation Ground so would be "fun" for wheelchairs to make that ! I have subscribed to your channel.
I could go home from work past that retail park. I don't because the road from there to the A38, which is about half a mile, takes about 20 to 30 minutes to get through, when it's quiet. In the rush hour it can be an hour.
Putting that silly housing development opposite was the daftest idea ever, it was always bad down there even 10 years ago.. Right near the hospital as well, what could possibly go wrong...?
Another thing they do, is to fill-up the former parking areas with Costas, We buy and cars etc, so there's much less parking than before. At any time of the day/ week, I used to be able to (more or less) park away from other cars. Not any more. I've given up with retail parks (and town centres)-I don't want my car messed-up.
I suspect the issue is that retailers don't want an easy on-foot escape route for any shoplifters to take. Any getaway vehicles will very likely have had their number plates read on the way into and out of the car park, so could be traced to bring the shoplifter to justice, whereas a pedestrian fleeing on foot through a short cut-through path could remain unidentified and uncaught.
Or the developers didn't even bother to consider access via means other than cars. We're becoming more car-dependent, like America, all the time and it's depressing to see as it leads to counter intuitive design like this
I don't want to be controversial, and I understand where you're coming from, but would you really want to live in one of those houses beside the park over the fence if there was an easy way to walk to the shops? Your street would be lined with cars left behind by people trying to avoid the queues into and out of a miserable retail park that you probably didn't want in the first place. Eventually the street would get fed up, complain to the council and double yellow lines or permit parking would be introduced. You don't want to induce extra car traffic into residential areas if you can help it. The root if the issue in my opinion is that there aren't viable alternatives to driving and the retail park probably shouldn't have been built in the first place without adequate mass transit!
That's a good point and I remember that road being fairly busy with road parking as it is. I can't see building a path would solve the traffic problem in the retail park (more slightly reduce it while making life easier for people who live near by) but some people would take advantage of it in this way which would potentially spread the problem to the local roads there too. I can't see how a path hasn't been considered before but this might be why. Poor Vicky.
@@NIGHTMINER22 it will have been considered as a part of the planning application, but they would have kept it out to prevent local residents from (probably quite fairly) objecting to becoming an overflow parking area. I think it could be a mistake to think that having parking elsewhere would reduce the traffic problem in the car park - I think you would just see an induction of demand, so the car park would be as bad as it always was, plus also there are cars in the residential area because it’s an easier option (just like how it would get busier if there was a trail station between the retail park and somewhere convenient).
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Local council's pissing money up the wall? Strange.
I once worked at the Poundland here, and it was chaos almost all day on weekends and bank holidays
Know it well. It's a nightmare. Thanks for starting the petition
0:16 - Roundabouts always work better without traffic lights.
Know it well, Ive had to abandon my car in the car park there twice because it was grid locked, cam back hours later to get it. There is quite a height difference between Cheviot Street Recreation Ground so would be "fun" for wheelchairs to make that !
I have subscribed to your channel.
I could go home from work past that retail park.
I don't because the road from there to the A38, which is about half a mile, takes about 20 to 30 minutes to get through, when it's quiet. In the rush hour it can be an hour.
Yeah that whole area is shocking at rush hour
Putting that silly housing development opposite was the daftest idea ever, it was always bad down there even 10 years ago.. Right near the hospital as well, what could possibly go wrong...?
Another thing they do, is to fill-up the former parking areas with Costas, We buy and cars etc, so there's much less parking than before. At any time of the day/ week, I used to be able to (more or less) park away from other cars. Not any more. I've given up with retail parks (and town centres)-I don't want my car messed-up.
Sears Retail Park Solihull suffers exactly the same. A roundabout, poor one way system, badly marked spaces and poor driving skills.
Yet another reason to avoid Derby.
We have a Kingsway Retail Park in Dundee also. That's probably why I was just recommended this video.
same here...lol left dundee in '21
Hell yeah
No wonder people just go online....and you won't get your car dented or scratched by some idiot.
I suspect the issue is that retailers don't want an easy on-foot escape route for any shoplifters to take. Any getaway vehicles will very likely have had their number plates read on the way into and out of the car park, so could be traced to bring the shoplifter to justice, whereas a pedestrian fleeing on foot through a short cut-through path could remain unidentified and uncaught.
Or the developers didn't even bother to consider access via means other than cars. We're becoming more car-dependent, like America, all the time and it's depressing to see as it leads to counter intuitive design like this
That's pretty feeble if it is true!
We're becoming more car dependant yet new housing developments have smaller and fewer parking spaces. It's bizarre. @@lx3469
I don't want to be controversial, and I understand where you're coming from, but would you really want to live in one of those houses beside the park over the fence if there was an easy way to walk to the shops? Your street would be lined with cars left behind by people trying to avoid the queues into and out of a miserable retail park that you probably didn't want in the first place. Eventually the street would get fed up, complain to the council and double yellow lines or permit parking would be introduced. You don't want to induce extra car traffic into residential areas if you can help it. The root if the issue in my opinion is that there aren't viable alternatives to driving and the retail park probably shouldn't have been built in the first place without adequate mass transit!
That's a good point and I remember that road being fairly busy with road parking as it is. I can't see building a path would solve the traffic problem in the retail park (more slightly reduce it while making life easier for people who live near by) but some people would take advantage of it in this way which would potentially spread the problem to the local roads there too. I can't see how a path hasn't been considered before but this might be why. Poor Vicky.
@@NIGHTMINER22 it will have been considered as a part of the planning application, but they would have kept it out to prevent local residents from (probably quite fairly) objecting to becoming an overflow parking area. I think it could be a mistake to think that having parking elsewhere would reduce the traffic problem in the car park - I think you would just see an induction of demand, so the car park would be as bad as it always was, plus also there are cars in the residential area because it’s an easier option (just like how it would get busier if there was a trail station between the retail park and somewhere convenient).