Beyond Task Force Smith: Lessons of Unpreparedness for War in Korea by Dr. Michael Lynch

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  • @marshaackerman3113
    @marshaackerman3113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank-you for posting this. My Grandfather, Pvt. Jack Murphy Ackerman, was one of the men from the 21st Infantry Division who was sent in Task Force Smith. He was taken POW and killed. This gives me a lot of background information about why he was sent out that I didn't know before.

  • @David-nx2vm
    @David-nx2vm ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The ROKA at the start of the war was fighting without armor, air, heavy weapons because the U.S. withheld that equipment intentionally. The administration was concerned that if properly equipped, Syngman Rhee would launch a pre-emptive attack on nK. T.R. Fehrenbach’s great book “This Kind Of War” goes into detail on this and other topics.

  • @alexplotkin3368
    @alexplotkin3368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The speaker's questions about readiness also apply to business applications. Great presentation!

  • @alexplotkin3368
    @alexplotkin3368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Many of the North Korean troops that invaded in June of 1950 had fought in the Chinese civil war of 1945 to 1949 alongside Mao's forces.
    So many of these troops had combat experience as well as being better equipped than the ROK troops.
    Taskforce Smith would fight these veterans of the Chinese Civil war and take heavy losses.

  • @wolfu597
    @wolfu597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One big irony of the North Korean invasion in June 1950, is the fact that it saved the Marine Corps from being reduced to ceremonial guard force.
    Truman wanted to gut the military, and the Marine Corps was to be reduced to almost nothing, and then, June 25th came, and now all of a sudden, they need an elite force who is capable of fighting overseas and has the capability of conducting amphibious warfare.
    And what branch of the military has the capability of meeting those requirements?
    The United States Marine Corps.

  • @simonsimon8572
    @simonsimon8572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Don't blame the Soldier. Blame the Politician!

  • @jamesorth6460
    @jamesorth6460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did I miss something here but did he mention anything about the 2nd Infantry Division?

  • @patrickwilson2650
    @patrickwilson2650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes we have learned our lessons. So we keep on having small wars. Keep the guard ready. But the next big one we will be needing a draft.

  • @patrickdoggett959
    @patrickdoggett959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Read some awesome books on this subject.

    • @gregbailey1753
      @gregbailey1753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      please list a couple. i have only seen War College papers and a few good chapters in general Korean War books.

    • @patrickdoggett959
      @patrickdoggett959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      East of Chosin by Roy Appleman, Give me tomorrow by Patrick K O’Donnell, The last stand of Fox company by Bob Drewry,

    • @gregbailey1753
      @gregbailey1753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@patrickdoggett959 Oh yes. I thought you had some resources specifically about TF Smith.

    • @patrickdoggett959
      @patrickdoggett959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      East of chosin is only task force smith. That’s my favorite

    • @gregbailey1753
      @gregbailey1753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think you are confusing TF Faith and TF Smith.

  • @daviddevault8700
    @daviddevault8700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lesson one. Reserve and Guard soldiers are not active duty. The Army does not pay our bills. Most of us serve out of patriotism and drill checks are Xtra money not mortgage payments. We often lose money and our civilian jobs suffer. Don't waste citizen soldiers time on stupid stuff. Training on how not to rape people and all that pc stuff is stupid.
    Definitions
    Professional soldier is a full time soldier, that is their caree. It pays the mortgage.
    Voulenteer is a soldier who chose to serve. He may be a professional or he might be there to protect his country and family

    • @daviddevault8700
      @daviddevault8700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      US is a democratic republic. We can't fight a war without public support, so when we are at war having American Citizens leave their metaphorical plows to pick up the musket is a good thing. Make sure you plug us in, give us a job that matching our talents, and when we're done a timely discharge.

  • @franklinarchambault-ik5xg
    @franklinarchambault-ik5xg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    truman was a putz he disarmed America just like billy the willy clinton and his lordship obama has and now we are worse of because our supply line begins in china and they have already threatenedd to stop it and the democant communist and the communist press are all for it and the companies that are moving out of ch9ona are not moving back to the United States so we still have a broken supply line we have no supply line of our own billy the willy clinton signed WTO and NAFTA

  • @wkn3445
    @wkn3445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What are the lessons ??

    • @gregbailey1753
      @gregbailey1753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      1.Every command had better have a RDF type unit. TF Smith was but 2 companies, a few heavy weapons and a battery of 105's that had little experience working together. A trained and complete team could have been more effective and may have extricated itself without the significant losses experienced.
      2.Pay attention to your intelligence. 8th Army G2 knew of the NKPA's beefing up, but the USA assets were not similiarly crafted/enabled to fight the threat. Ie, the NKPA had 150 to 200 T-34's and the 8th Army units had no suitable AT weapons or AFV's that could fight them successfully.
      3.Know what you are expected to do. MacArthur and 8th Army were told, as was the rest of the world that Korea was not in his realm and that the US was not interested in Korea...even while a small KMAG was still in country.
      4. Related to 1...The mission of an infantry unit is always to defend and take ground. Police and ceremonial duties are always secondary.
      5.Never overestimate yourself or underestimate the enemy.

    • @marshaackerman3113
      @marshaackerman3113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't send men into battle with outdated equipment they can't defend themselves with and especially if you don't have enough men to fight the battle. My Grandfather lost his life because we cut back on our military budget and a quick decision was made to send the 21st Infantry Division into battle. I read elsewhere they had only 120 rounds of ammunition and 2 days of food. Today we would not do this.

    • @rightside1911
      @rightside1911 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marshaackerman3113 the smallarms were workable we had tanks that would defeat the t34 tanks we just didnt have them in country .the problem was that the u.s. was depending on the atomic bomb to scare the enemy we had what i call an atomic army we didnt need to train an army when we could just drop a nuke on them we learned it in 1950 it seems russia is just now learning it macarthur wanted to use nukes our nuclear advancement cost us dear that is why we train our military like we do now to act like there are no nukes. had we did that back then maybe your grandfather would have survived by the way my dad served in ww2,korea and vietnam as he said our military was a shadow of what it was at the end of ww2 1945.

  • @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
    @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ...

    • @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
      @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems like, there are global issues - Americans stuck in other areas of the world ... and their family, in and from those areas. Also, lack of 'boots' on the ground, so, 'eyes' and how it all plays out in deals ... ?
      Is the distinction clear - between Soviet and Russia, not being the same? That Russia is not in the Soviet Union and that Russians aren't necessarily Soviets?
      Is a MiG after 21, no longer considered "Soviet" - that designation has it stopped being applied and from which MiG model onwards? Soviet MiG 17/19/21 ... who still flies those? How is communism in Vietnam going? What does Iran fly? ... India, Czechoslovakia(Czech Republic and Slovakia), China, ... e.t.c ... they don't still produce them?
      Ukraine Airforce flies soviet migs, as do bordering, neighbouring countries? ... other than signal, how would they be easily distinguished, if on the surface, they all appear to be soviet in origin? ... it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult, for there to be friendly fire and yet fingers point, as if otherwise? ... this could be totally not the case, but, this sounds like truly scary stuff ....
      And,
      Not forgetting the upfront potential human loss and potential start of WWIII: additionally, loss of human life, long term and extended in area, WWIII or not; If there is a high chance of losing jets, then, there is a high chance of that technology being scavenged/reverse engineered/sent elsewhere/on sold and or seized?

    • @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
      @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Short version:
      ... where is the current fighting? ... what is it over ... exactly ...? ... it doesn't look like it might cease any time soon. ... Would it be impossible, in that area, to convert the type ... of war ... from war of might to war of words?
      i.e. Ukraine retain sovereignty, possibly join the EU, a section of Ukraine (with Ukraine's permission) become the de jure capital of the EU, a buffer area that is Ukraine and Russia
      ... NATO headquarters remain where they are ... ?
      and, ... which agreement already assures Ukraines borders?
      ... if a section of Ukraine (with Ukraine's permission) becomes the de jure capital of the EU ... the US would need an embassy there ... as would the UK and e.t.c. ...
      also,
      ... de jure capital of EU in Ukraine ... seems like there would be more cameras there then ....
      ... distance of Ukraine ... possible EU de jure capital, international embassies ... Iranian oil ... ?

    • @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
      @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ... who can assist with knowledge and wisdom, to turn it into a historic moment? ... peaceful? ... not unlike, magna carta, only, modern, European ...?
      For example, perhaps, Ukraine doesn't sell the land, but, is given EU membership and are exempt from contributing to the building cost needed to establish an EU capital? - imagine, the focus and attention to detail needed to create a city? ... you would need ... ambassadors from international countries, although they will need more permanent places to reside, also, how they might like their embassies built and where: the prime minister or president or whatever the title the EU chooses to establish the EU constitution, might need a permanent place to reside: an EU military department would need a building - separate and different to NATO, and NATO would remain in Belgium where it could become the Naval training ground for any person in the EU wanting to join the EU navy ... there would most likely be permanent news broadcasting/journalist/media: there would need to be an airport there: a police station: ... e.t.c. ... it would be a big undertaking, and require lots of people.
      ... Assuming the EU actually considered the idea, a good idea for the EU, people would most likely vote for it, and if likewise, Ukraine considered the idea, a good idea for Ukraine and the EU, people would most likely vote for it, ... curious to see what the priorities ... and how quickly it would take to establish something? ... An EU Parliament house? When would the first sitting be possible? ... e.t.c. ...
      Also ... seems like many don't like NATO and would be ok if it didn't exist anymore ... how about if, it became, Navy Airspace Technology or Training Organisation ... something like that?

    • @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
      @eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stay well. Peace.
      Eleonora Formato née Szczepanowski
      South Australia