CORRECTION: The battery has two temperature ranges, Operation temperature and Charging temperature. The charging temp range is from -10 celsius to 140 Fahrenheit. The Operating temp is from -4 degrees Fahrenheit to 140 degrees Fahrenheit.
Chris, I put a NOCO battery in my BMW K 1600 several months ago. Extremely light weight and high CCA. So far no issues. I bought off Ebay new and only $100. Also got the NOCO battery tender. Made in America is a good selling point.
Extremely detailed, informative, well thought out, and presented video. This is how Caliente does it, and in true Caliente form. Subscribe to this channel and give this man props, he does this to help the motorcycle world. It will be interesting to see future updates, I think the lithium batteries are going to do just fine, in this application. I don't think many people ride in duration at 10 degrees (could be wrong there), and although it gets hot I don't think the battery area sees 140 degrees. If it does I would think the heat from that temperature would transfer to the left leg, which I've never felt. And I rode in 116 degree heat today for about 50 miles, on a gold wing, near death valley. Great job on this video, it will give many people some great information. And I'll see you back in the Caliente garage.
This was the most informative moto video I’ve watched recently. Thank you for taking the time to create this. I feel like I just received a free Master Class.
GREAT idea with the zip-ties...never thought of that. Also Chris, your demeaner is so calm and collected while doing this stuff...has to help with the process. I usually get pissed of and start throwing stuff...not really but you know what I mean.
I really like the much higher CCA of the battery, I think that really helps getting the battery started easier. What I don't like is that the GYZ20L is a 20AH battery, that you can sit running your accessories without starting the bike using that battery power, and you have now replaced it with NOCO NLP20 which is a 7AH battery. I'm concerned that although the CCA is much higher, it just doesn't have even half the capacity of the original Goldwing battery
Yes the Yuasa has a 20 Amh capacity, the Noco Lithium battery has a 7 Amh capacity but it’s (PbEq) is 19 Amh equivalent. The Lithium battery is far superior because it can safely discharge 100% of its usable amps but a Lead Acid battery can only discharge 50% of its useable amps. Did I mention that the Noco has rapid recharging technology which means that you can rapid charge a discharged Noco Lithium battery in only 42 minutes, you can’t do that with a Lead Acid battery.
Very good vid and nice install. Looking at Noco for my bagger. Forgot to mention. Noco bats bought at Auto Zone, in store or online, have a 5 year warranty through the store. If it fails take it to a store for replacement. Sometimes, most of the time, dealing with a manufacturer is painful and takes weeks for a replacement due to shipping and lack of response.
Chris, as an overlander, I had a dual battery set up in my diesel truck but the lithium battery was in the back, not under the bonnet (hood). In trucks or cars, Lithium batteries struggle with the high cranking current demands of the starter motor. This kills the lithium battery but lithium batteries are excellent for lights and accessories or appliances which I ran in the back. I left the lead-acid battery under the bonnet as my starting battery and I didn't run any accessory off it. But perhaps this could be a different situation for the Gold Wing starter motor.
Great info chris. I am contemplating going with lithium for my 2023 goldwing bagger. I'm just cracking 1000 miles. The weight savings and CCA is very appealing.
Since your Goldwing is new, your OEM Yuasa battery should be good for a while but when it’s time to replace the battery that would be a great time to consider upgrading to Lithium because 250 CCA are good but 600 CCA is even better.
You referred to your Gold Wing as a 'boat'? I'm certainly getting a new understand of riding. I'm an overlanding guy; I drive and wild camp in the bush with my children. It's a completely different experience to the one I'm learn from you, except of course, I haven't actually done any riding. But I'm loving it.
Says need special charger to detect ( which I have noco 2 Amp charger). Which makes sense…. I had AGM battery in past which I darn well know alternator does not fully charge the battery fully on the road, it discharge and alternator maintains at that rate, I get stuck out on road at softball field or whatever…. I cannot start the GW… had to jump it. Once home…. Put the charger on. Then AGM battery is fine . Question is is this lithium battery same way?? Will the alternator charge it back to its original state??? I hate AGM thus it does last longer. Month ago bought acid/gel battery. Previous battery was acid lead… lasted 2 years. My Honda 700cc shadow has acid/gel in it ( sealed) (after acid put in) and so far lasts close 3 years so far. It’s smaller than the GW.
Hi Chris, Your videos are well done and we appreciate your time effort and knowledge. I am considering the Noco when I change my battery in the near future. How is this battery working out for you?
Nice video! very detailed. How is the NOCO NLP20 doing? I have the exact same battery on my HD 2020 heritage classic. For the winter I had it stored and attached to the NOCO10 battery charger/maintainer. After about 1 month I noticed the battery maintainer went from full charge 13.5V solid green, to blinking green then to red which indicated a dead battery at 1.4V. I don't have any components that draw energy from the battery, i tested all parameters and they are fine. Now, I jump started the bike and it instantly started showing 13.5V which is fully charged. I had to use the boost feature on my portable charger because 1.4V isn't enough to jump it. Has any lithium battery issues happened to you?
So I have a question about charging. If you need a different type charger for LIon, how do you address charging from the bike? The alternator charging circuit doesn't know or care what type battery it's charging. How does the lion accept the alternator charge that was made to charge lead acid batteries? I'm having a hard time following why you can't charge a LIon the same way you charge a lead acid.
This is a very good question! I'm curious about that as well. I'm not sure about the goldwings but my Kawasaki has a stator as opposed to an alternator. In either scenario I'm curious as well.
Yes, you can theoretically charge a Lithium battery with a lead acid charger but you can shorten the life of the lithium battery. Lead acid batteries has larger internal resistance than Lithium batteries therefore during the charging process, regular chargers will increases the charging voltage to overcome resistance. In layman's terms lead acid chargers can over-volt lithium batteries by pumping higher amounts of voltages into the battery causing irreversible damage to LifeP04 batteries. So if you feel comfortable with charging an expensive Lithium battery with a none recommended charger then I say, “go for it”.
@@chriscaliente5033 But Chris. Our alternator just pumps out voltage. It doesn't change what it delivers to a battery. How do we not overcharge the LIon on our bike charging system? I mean theoretically isn't it up to the battery to accept the voltage from the alternator and regulate itself from not accepting any more charge once it's charged?
Cold start is 50F when it goes to sleep, you will need to turn your bike on and leave it up to 10min while you bike loads and wakes up the battery before you can start it...
There are two types of temperatures, one is operating and the other is charging temperature. The regular operating temp range is from -4 to 140 degrees. The battery will allow for charging once the temperature reaches -14 degrees.
@@chriscaliente5033 i have seen multiple reports of Harley riders who have a lithium battery and trying to start their bike in cool/cold temps (morning startup) was impossible until after about 6-10 min of loading the battery making it wake up, guess time will tell
All Lithium batteries are not created equally, some lithium batteries offer protection that other lithium batteries don’t. Which make and models of Lithium batteries were they using?
Well the only thing I do not like about those batteries is that they may burst into flames, which rises many concerns, like the bike itself or loosing your house as well because of keeping bike in garage when it happens, Chris it would be helpful if you could elaborate on this aspect of these lithium batteries, as everyone has seen Teslas and other EV's burning on side of the road in the news, also the battery that comes with the bike does just fine with those cracking amps, I have a goldwing also and on my third year with it and I have yet to experience any issues with the battery, so 600 cranking amps seem like overkill, PS. we are not on the metric system here so when you switch bank and forth with it, well either do both or stick with one for your International viewers. I really do enjoy your videos as I find them very informative and useful, so I hope you do not mind a little constructive criticism....Take car my friend Javi G. '
You are thinking about Lithium Ion Batteries, these Noco batteries are Lithium Iron Phosphate (LifeP04) a much safer battery with newer safety protections!
I have a quick question. Is this battery like a normal ( acid lead filled ) where I can just put it into my bike and take off or do I need to recharge it after let’s say 5 or 6 hours of use, similar to a rechargeable battery that drains and need to be recharged after each use. Thank you for any information and input. ❤
The thick red & black eyelet cable that I ran through my saddlebag is designed to plug directly in the Noco boost portable battery jumper to jumpstart the bike, the X- adapter plug is intended for charging the Lithium Battery with a Noco charger. The jumper cable will plug directly into Noco GB 20, GB40, GB20 and GBX45 for a direct safe jump off.
What amg is 1/3 the price and last 7 years? The NLP20 noco msrp $180. Not much diff then GYZ Yausa $140+. I also have had good luck with AGM bats. Never 7 years but 4 1/2~5+ years.
Just read an article on charging the LiFePO4 battery and comparing to a lead acid battery charge. Here's the link if anyone is interested. I don't know how the GW alternator will handle the charging of the Lithium battery, but am interested if anyone has any reference documents. By the way, good video and thanks for your work.
@@chriscaliente5033 I tried to attach the link a couple of times, but for some reason youtube will not allow the link. Again, thanks for your efforts and information on the goldwings.
These Noco's are (Lifepo4) lithium phosphate batteries , not the lithium iron that's used the tesla and other EVs ..these Noco's do no have the runaway heating as the EV's , and do not catch fire , I understand they are 10x safer and I believe less likely to catch fire than even lead acid
The User booklet letters are so small that you need a magnifying glass to read it. The regular operation temperature range is -4 celsius to 140 Fahrenheit.
CORRECTION: The battery has two temperature ranges, Operation temperature and Charging temperature. The charging temp range is from -10 celsius to 140 Fahrenheit. The Operating temp is from -4 degrees Fahrenheit to 140 degrees Fahrenheit.
Chris, I put a NOCO battery in my BMW K 1600 several months ago. Extremely light weight and high CCA. So far no issues. I bought off Ebay new and only $100. Also got the NOCO battery tender. Made in America is a good selling point.
Well Done! Thanks for sharing your Testimony.
This may be one of the best reviews I've seen. I may be biased though because I've been extremely interested in this subject. Thank you Chris!
Wow, thanks!
Extremely detailed, informative, well thought out, and presented video. This is how Caliente does it, and in true Caliente form. Subscribe to this channel and give this man props, he does this to help the motorcycle world. It will be interesting to see future updates, I think the lithium batteries are going to do just fine, in this application. I don't think many people ride in duration at 10 degrees (could be wrong there), and although it gets hot I don't think the battery area sees 140 degrees. If it does I would think the heat from that temperature would transfer to the left leg, which I've never felt. And I rode in 116 degree heat today for about 50 miles, on a gold wing, near death valley. Great job on this video, it will give many people some great information. And I'll see you back in the Caliente garage.
Thanks, I will definitely keep monitoring the battery status and keep everyone posted!
This was the most informative moto video I’ve watched recently. Thank you for taking the time to create this. I feel like I just received a free Master Class.
GREAT idea with the zip-ties...never thought of that. Also Chris, your demeaner is so calm and collected while doing this stuff...has to help with the process. I usually get pissed of and start throwing stuff...not really but you know what I mean.
Love your show like the way you explain and show what you are doing instead of rushing and skipping over to make a shorter video
I really like the much higher CCA of the battery, I think that really helps getting the battery started easier. What I don't like is that the GYZ20L is a 20AH battery, that you can sit running your accessories without starting the bike using that battery power, and you have now replaced it with NOCO NLP20 which is a 7AH battery. I'm concerned that although the CCA is much higher, it just doesn't have even half the capacity of the original Goldwing battery
Yes the Yuasa has a 20 Amh capacity, the Noco Lithium battery has a 7 Amh capacity but it’s (PbEq) is 19 Amh equivalent. The Lithium battery is far superior because it can safely discharge 100% of its usable amps but a Lead Acid battery can only discharge 50% of its useable amps. Did I mention that the Noco has rapid recharging technology which means that you can rapid charge a discharged Noco Lithium battery in only 42 minutes, you can’t do that with a Lead Acid battery.
Very good vid and nice install. Looking at Noco for my bagger. Forgot to mention. Noco bats bought at Auto Zone, in store or online, have a 5 year warranty through the store. If it fails take it to a store for replacement. Sometimes, most of the time, dealing with a manufacturer is painful and takes weeks for a replacement due to shipping and lack of response.
Chris, as an overlander, I had a dual battery set up in my diesel truck but the lithium battery was in the back, not under the bonnet (hood). In trucks or cars, Lithium batteries struggle with the high cranking current demands of the starter motor. This kills the lithium battery but lithium batteries are excellent for lights and accessories or appliances which I ran in the back. I left the lead-acid battery under the bonnet as my starting battery and I didn't run any accessory off it. But perhaps this could be a different situation for the Gold Wing starter motor.
Great info chris. I am contemplating going with lithium for my 2023 goldwing bagger. I'm just cracking 1000 miles. The weight savings and CCA is very appealing.
Since your Goldwing is new, your OEM Yuasa battery should be good for a while but when it’s time to replace the battery that would be a great time to consider upgrading to Lithium because 250 CCA are good but 600 CCA is even better.
You referred to your Gold Wing as a 'boat'? I'm certainly getting a new understand of riding. I'm an overlanding guy; I drive and wild camp in the bush with my children. It's a completely different experience to the one I'm learn from you, except of course, I haven't actually done any riding. But I'm loving it.
Great video Chris, and informative, thanks for sharing 👍🏽
Glad you enjoyed it
Says need special charger to detect ( which I have noco 2 Amp charger). Which makes sense…. I had AGM battery in past which I darn well know alternator does not fully charge the battery fully on the road, it discharge and alternator maintains at that rate, I get stuck out on road at softball field or whatever…. I cannot start the GW… had to jump it. Once home…. Put the charger on. Then AGM battery is fine . Question is is this lithium battery same way?? Will the alternator charge it back to its original state??? I hate AGM thus it does last longer. Month ago bought acid/gel battery. Previous battery was acid lead… lasted 2 years.
My Honda 700cc shadow has acid/gel in it ( sealed) (after acid put in) and so far lasts close 3 years so far. It’s smaller than the GW.
Outstanding video for this project,thanks.
Nice job, you covered everything that I needed to know
Hmm. Even here in southwest Ohio, the road heat was well over 100°.
Will be interested to see how this goes.
So far so good!
I wish you continued success. Thanks
that battery has some serious juice!
This might be sound far fetched but I now have enough cracking amps to power a small substation, Lol.
The exact battery I have in my Indian Challenger 🤜🏾💨🤛🏾
Nice helpful video I just went and ordered that battery tracker I think I'm going to wait and see how you hook yours up
Coming soon!
Hi Chris,
Your videos are well done and we appreciate your time effort and knowledge.
I am considering the Noco when I change my battery in the near future.
How is this battery working out for you?
Nice video! very detailed. How is the NOCO NLP20 doing? I have the exact same battery on my HD 2020 heritage classic. For the winter I had it stored and attached to the NOCO10 battery charger/maintainer. After about 1 month I noticed the battery maintainer went from full charge 13.5V solid green, to blinking green then to red which indicated a dead battery at 1.4V. I don't have any components that draw energy from the battery, i tested all parameters and they are fine. Now, I jump started the bike and it instantly started showing 13.5V which is fully charged. I had to use the boost feature on my portable charger because 1.4V isn't enough to jump it. Has any lithium battery issues happened to you?
So I have a question about charging. If you need a different type charger for LIon, how do you address charging from the bike? The alternator charging circuit doesn't know or care what type battery it's charging. How does the lion accept the alternator charge that was made to charge lead acid batteries?
I'm having a hard time following why you can't charge a LIon the same way you charge a lead acid.
This is a very good question! I'm curious about that as well. I'm not sure about the goldwings but my Kawasaki has a stator as opposed to an alternator. In either scenario I'm curious as well.
same question here and will any jump starter work or is there something special about the NOCO that must be used for this battery
Yes, you can theoretically charge a Lithium battery with a lead acid charger but you can shorten the life of the lithium battery. Lead acid batteries has larger internal resistance than Lithium batteries therefore during the charging process, regular chargers will increases the charging voltage to overcome resistance. In layman's terms lead acid chargers can over-volt lithium batteries by pumping higher amounts of voltages into the battery causing irreversible damage to LifeP04 batteries. So if you feel comfortable with charging an expensive Lithium battery with a none recommended charger then I say, “go for it”.
@@chriscaliente5033 But Chris. Our alternator just pumps out voltage. It doesn't change what it delivers to a battery. How do we not overcharge the LIon on our bike charging system? I mean theoretically isn't it up to the battery to accept the voltage from the alternator and regulate itself from not accepting any more charge once it's charged?
Yes you can jump a Lithium battery with a lead acid battery because you are not over-volting the Lithium battery.
Thanks Chris for that info very useful safe travels. ARKANSAS Badlands
Glad it was helpful!
Are you still happy with your Lithium batteries Chris? Thanks for sharing.
Hey Chris,im about to purchase a Battery for my 2021Dct ,is the Noco Battery still what would Recommend??
chris how are you liking the Battery long term so far?
Excellent!
Many thanks!
Great job
I put one in my GW. The battery keeps dying. And you can’t even charge it up. Any ideas?
yes keep us all updated
I will definitely keep you posted!
Cold start is 50F when it goes to sleep, you will need to turn your bike on and leave it up to 10min while you bike loads and wakes up the battery before you can start it...
There are two types of temperatures, one is operating and the other is charging temperature. The regular operating temp range is from
-4 to 140 degrees. The battery will allow for charging once the temperature reaches -14 degrees.
@@chriscaliente5033 i have seen multiple reports of Harley riders who have a lithium battery and trying to start their bike in cool/cold temps (morning startup) was impossible until after about 6-10 min of loading the battery making it wake up, guess time will tell
All Lithium batteries are not created equally, some lithium batteries offer protection that other lithium batteries don’t. Which make and models of Lithium batteries were they using?
Well the only thing I do not like about those batteries is that they may burst into flames, which rises many concerns, like the bike itself or loosing your house as well because of keeping bike in garage when it happens, Chris it would be helpful if you could elaborate on this aspect of these lithium batteries, as everyone has seen Teslas and other EV's burning on side of the road in the news, also the battery that comes with the bike does just fine with those cracking amps, I have a goldwing also and on my third year with it and I have yet to experience any issues with the battery, so 600 cranking amps seem like overkill, PS. we are not on the metric system here so when you switch bank and forth with it, well either do both or stick with one for your International viewers. I really do enjoy your videos as I find them very informative and useful, so I hope you do not mind a little constructive criticism....Take car my friend Javi G.
'
You are thinking about Lithium Ion Batteries, these Noco batteries are Lithium Iron Phosphate (LifeP04) a much safer battery with newer safety protections!
I have a 2004 goldwing .. witch noco battery should i get .. i already have noco genius 10 charger and a noco boost jump box
NLP20 , same battery as Chris installed.
I have a quick question. Is this battery like a normal ( acid lead filled ) where I can just put it into my bike and take off or do I need to recharge it after let’s say 5 or 6 hours of use, similar to a rechargeable battery that drains and need to be recharged after each use. Thank you for any information and input. ❤
Great video! I would like to do this on my Harley...
Go for it!
Do you think it would do good in a 50cc scooter a friend is wanting me to ask
Is the fuse in cable strong enough to jump the bike?
The thick red & black eyelet cable that I ran through my saddlebag is designed to plug directly in the Noco boost portable battery jumper to jumpstart the bike, the X- adapter plug is intended for charging the Lithium Battery with a Noco charger. The jumper cable will plug directly into Noco GB 20, GB40, GB20 and GBX45 for a direct safe jump off.
How is the noco batteries doing in
Hi Chris. Awesome video. Do you have a link for those extender bolts for the battery please?
It’s in the video description above but here is the Link. traxxion.com/product/battery-terminal-extender-kit/
@@chriscaliente5033 thanks for the reply. Gonna get these for my 2008.
My YUASA AGM only has 230 CCA and lasted 7 years 4 months for 1/3 the cost of a Lithium battery. So why switch?
What amg is 1/3 the price and last 7 years? The NLP20 noco msrp $180. Not much diff then GYZ Yausa $140+. I also have had good luck with AGM bats. Never 7 years but 4 1/2~5+ years.
Hi can I use that Battery for victory cross-country.
How is the noco doing in your goldwing
14:47
Just read an article on charging the LiFePO4 battery and comparing to a lead acid battery charge. Here's the link if anyone is interested. I don't know how the GW alternator will handle the charging of the Lithium battery, but am interested if anyone has any reference documents.
By the way, good video and thanks for your work.
I don’t see a like you provided but so far I’ve had absolutely zero issues with this Noco Battery, it’s been absolutely great!
@@chriscaliente5033 I tried to attach the link a couple of times, but for some reason youtube will not allow the link. Again, thanks for your efforts and information on the goldwings.
How much are the lithium batteries !
Prices can vary depending on the merchant. no.co/nlp20
Got mine off Ebay (for BMW K 1600), only $100 new.
@@chriscaliente5033 thanks I'm thinking about installing one in my goldwing .
@@sonny7658 thanks price is reasonable!
These Noco's are (Lifepo4) lithium phosphate batteries , not the lithium iron that's used the tesla and other EVs ..these Noco's do no have the runaway heating as the EV's , and do not catch fire , I understand they are 10x safer and I believe less likely to catch fire than even lead acid
Any updates?
10 degree Celsius = 50 degrees F are you sure you didnt mean 10 F not 10 C
The User booklet letters are so small that you need a magnifying glass to read it. The regular operation temperature range is -4 celsius to 140 Fahrenheit.
Goldwing superhero
This big bo from LA
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