I listened to the video with a opened mind, the first 18min established the foundation that he (the pastor) has good, strong, and healthy relationships with papa Kumuyi, though not personally but had worked closely with him. The video show both papa kumuyi and him shaking hands and sharing the same podium as seen on web space as he had mention during his preaching. This establishes basic fact to what message he’s trying to pass across to his members. The things he said may not be what other people want to hear, but is doesn’t mean that they aren’t true.
Hmm! Hope this voice is not coming too late. We needed this perspectives decades ago. A lot of men and women who would have benefited from the excellent discipleship opportunities of deeper life were scared away by these things and they are now trapped in other ministries where they are not profiting as intended. The one who died on the cross may not be happy if people are kept away from Him by our inadequate understanding of these concepts and practices Well, it's better late than never. Thank you sir for this eye opener.
@@funmilayoadesina52 Deeper Life is not the only church in Nigeria so how does what Pastor Kumuyi preaches keep people away from the kingdom. And how do you think God will be angry against Pastor Kumuyi because he preached against women jewellery and trousers because these are the crux of his anger things that ordinarily unbelievers do without. If you are trapped in a ministry you know is not preaching the truth you better come out on time before it is too late and don't let jewelry and trouser which doesn't really add any value to your life lead you to hell.
We shall continue to hear the truth, this a teaching those who need to hear let them hear what God is telling are church, He will put his word to his minister like of old. Our God is great and God bless you sir
It is necessarily important everyone who cares to listen to the true Word of God, should do so and not just what generality of some mere church goers are yearning to hear, mostly around prosperity and riches of the world. Pastor Z.A. Ogunsanya is an undisputable man of God, those who have been following him through different avenues can attest to this. He is a consistent and commited man of God, who practices what he preaches, right from the genesis of his ministry. He is an end time preacher and he maintains his focus only on things above and not here on earth. This shows very well in his lifestyle.
Thank you man of God, we appreciate it. Just as you said - introduction to your message, we are waiting for more on that will transform lifes. More anointing in Jesus name.
The man of God is saying the truth.💯 For those of you saying that he’s dragging pastor Kumuyi, I will advise that we take our time to listen to the message without sentiment and you will understand that he’s not dragging any man of God. This is the WORD we are talking about. #Undiluted!!!
I have an honest question. I appreciate how he used scriptures to explain why trousers is not a sin. I'll appreciate if pastor (I know he will see this comment and I believe he will not ignore). Pastor Please use scriptures to explain why jewellery is not a sin.
It seems many don't understand the perspective and where this pastor is coming from.if u listen,he talked about deeper life been the church he would recommend to others aside his church and why that has changed,and according to this preaching,he has a few disagreement with pastor kumuyi doctrine hence the reason why he dedicated over 1 hour to talk about him,opened scriptures to prove his points and how and why he disagrees with certain things.if only u actually listened carefully and followed wholeheartedly ,you would understand that there was no CRITISM,just truth.God bless❤️
@@williamakogun3673 honestly,that should not be enough reason to leave a church but tagging what is not wrong ,wrong is bad which causes why he disagrees with pastor kumuyi.🙏
We understand all he said. It is said in English and not French. He is more preaching disagreements than preaching the Bible. Is this the message he prepared and prayed over throughout the night to preach. What is the take home for the the members? We can device men and not God. Summary, is that we will give account to God. Some so called pastors will God to contend it with when the time comes. Let us ALL beware of pride. Remember, Lucifer
i advised that you focus more on getting to heaven than looking for animosity in the preacher... if you care to listen, you can listen to the message again, this time gently with an open mind. thank you sir@@alfredogunlusi2961
Hum un this message is truth nothing but the truth if we listening to it with open heart, we will understand where his coming from, before showing his disagreement with Baba W F Kumuyi.
Am in 100% agreement with the man of GOD, cos number one commandment we are to hold unto is the Bible in line with our decision, all he's still saying is scriptural, jewellery is not a sin, trousers are not sin, depend on which sex it belongs to, and using pastor kumuyi as reference, it shows he has a lot of respect for him & not criticising him
Pls I beg you look at those two passages you posted, the one of peter was simply using jewelry to illustrate how you should be inwardly, and that of Paul when you look at the preceeding verse it talks about men praying everywhere & that women should do the same & not to pay more attention to outward apparel & that they should be sober. I pray the Holy ghost of GOD interprete it more to you sir
@@ComfortEkpin-ru6jm before you can base your conclusion on this two scripture, please 🙏 search for all other scripture that talks about jewellery and explain all of them in such a way that none of them is contradicting, then we can agree weather it's sinful or not
The church has been so bastardised and i am in support of discussing openly for correction.God bless! The love of money and power(importance and influence) by leaders of the church is destroying the work of the kingdom.
This sermon is in a series, this is just the introduction. I plead that all should be curious and ensure to check back for the continuation of this sermon. I assure you that it will increase the depth of your understanding of the scriptures. The bible will be dissected properly as we continue. Stay tuned.
I think there are churches' diverse positions which are based on expedience and not biblical doctrines. I think these should be respected. The reason why everybody may not fellowship in some other churches is not because of wrong biblical doctrines but the demand they placed on their own members. The subject of corrections must be on the fundamentals of our Christian faith where wrong is perceived-salvation, holiness ... Jesus is losing His place in our churches painfully so, because instead of men on the pulpit to be preaching Jesus Christ to the salvation and deliverance of men, they are busy censuring the work of other men. These are unbiblical approach to ministry. Jesus' disciples told him about somebody preaching that must be stopped. He only asked, 'is he for us or against us'. Meaning, is he teaching the fundamentals of the faith, he then told them to leave him.
Every organisation has its attire, your disagreements here 23:22 are inconsequential. If the workers and the leaders are not allowed to use it, it is the choice of the management of that organisation, not the management of another organisation.
With all this our pastor has said, I don't see anything said here is disrespecting pastor kumuyi but it has always been the truth but nothing but the truth
He's not insulting pastor kumuyi in any way, he's only telling us that this is the way he leads his flocks, in high respect he has for pastor kumuyi, in line with the bible the final authority
If your desire to allow God Almighty to bless you in this wretched earth and you want to make heaven at last, then you must listen to this message several times! Everything said in this sermon is a reality! If you love the truth, and you want the truth to set you free, then hearing this message, you are at right place!😂
With due respect sir. I think saying the members should "stay put" in Bible Pattern Church is misleading! Please note, I'm not a member of Deeperlife. However, your 1hr message is injurious to the church helpful sir.
Sir, telling the members of his local (visible) church to stay put in the church is just the correct thing for a reasonable pastor to say. What we must understand is that the word, "church" has 2 sides: 1. The invisible church is the assembly of the called out ones from allover the world (the complete body of Christ); 2. The visible churches (different denominations allover the world) which comprise of both sinners and children of God in each church. Each denomination is the responsibility of its pastor, and each pastor will give account to God on every of his subjects. It's therefore in place for a pastor of a local church to tell his members to stay put in the local church for the right nourishment-a Chinese person will satisfactorily take nodules, while a typical Nigerian person (like me) feels punished if he's served nodules in place of pounded yam/egusi soup. Hope we got me right.
Preaching the bible in line with his disagreement with pastor kumuyi, cos all he's saying is scriptural, all u need do is u ur self need to study the scriptures
@@Samsontash1lol.... his letters? someone that has stood on the pupit of deeper life and preached? listen to his messages with an open mind and see it through the world of God, then you will understand. he's not angry, he's pointing out his disagreement with churches in nigeria in line with the bible and deeper life happens to be the introductory of the sermon....
The last time I checked the instructed teaching whatsoever thing I have taught you "not teaching them the 'pit fall of fellow minister! Miriam and Aaron tried it on Moses saw result pls why not leave another man's servants and face the ministry you received, Peter wanted to know what will become of John Jesus queried whatever I desire of John what is it to you ? Neither he that forbear nor he that eateth all is of the Lord let seemingly professing ministers serve thr Lord and not feebles that endify no one except exciting men with intching ears
You said about deeper life women not putting on jewelry, now that your church put on jewelry, has that added anything to their faith. Did your church have all that is required to make heaven and you think you don't have your errors in your teachings and presentation. You have joined those judging others and you put your self to be the right person.
@@Samsontash1you don't need to know him for him to be a child of God... take time to visit his church and see the wonders God is doing through him... he's a real child of God!
Preach the word and leave Kumuyi alone. His vision and convictions are none of your business. Peach your own Word of God and convince your congregation to follow your doctrine.
@@damilolaomosebi4189 What is true. Let him face his calling. He's responsible to God as Kumuyi is. As God has called him, let him remain in the call and preach. If God told him that earrings and trousers wearing is not sin,let him preach it. If God have not open the eyes of Kumuyi to preach it,let him alone. Let the man face his front.
people like you are why christianity is what it is today... all youbcare about is your pastor not jesus, not his word... have you for once search the scriptures about those points raised against baba kumuyi? NO!... God will help you sir@@alfredogunlusi2961
From all this teachings, is there any sin he has found with Kumuyi? If Past. Kumuyi frawns at women wearing trousers, is that a sin?. Are we just trying to populate church by allowing people to do whatever pleases them? If we keep silent on women wearing exposing cloths, slacks, promoting lust in the congregation, how will that help them get to heaven. I don´t see any message in this but castigating pastor Kumuyi as he clearly states that he has things he never believed while with Deeper Life that he refuse to tell the world. Beware of sin and the danger of hell.
What I don't understand what this Pastor is saying is this, Is Kumuyi in his church telling his female members to stop wearing earrings,I don't think sir and I doubt it. This allegation is strong that He told Kumuyi that Kumuyi is already aware that wearing of jewellery is not a sin but Kumuyi has fears to tell his members to start wearing earrings. That's laughable. Just one simple question,is wearing jewellery a point to debate in Christendom? If convinced by the HolySpirit don't wear if not convinced wear now. But then why is it that Nurses and medics in the theatres. don't wear Earrings and when they are on their duty,why is it called Vanity? Every pastor with their opinion and online facade . Most important is everyone should live holy life to get to heaven,no debates in heaven ooo So when you believed Deut 22.5 you were a child and God was not the one talking to you that time Abi? Everyone should be careful how they lead and mislead their followers. Laughable things😅
Sir is it Ur conviction that you want us to follow or God's word. Remember, the scripture can never been broken. Sir, just tell me one thing that makes Christian of now days different from worldly people?
Sir it is not his conviction here, all he's still saying are all scriptural, bring up one out from all he has said, & I will show you where they are in the bible
Hmmm are these stories needed? Well everyone is subject with his opinion and every call has is message. Pst face your congregation and preach the gospel when we get to heaven we will know better.
Sir, there is no hatred here, u need to go & re listen to the message, it is out of the high respect he has for pastor kumuyi that he had to take a stand against what he sees not to be scriptural, if jewellery is a sin why are we promised street of gold when we get to heaven, if jewellery is a sin the you must not be wearing any cloth that has brass, silver, or gold on it as a button or zip then
Holiness Revival movement by Pastor Paul Rika is the ministry God has brought in our generation to save the whole world , and to change and to open the eyes of those in darkness, most of the pastors are under fist touches, while Holiness Revival movement ministry brings the pastors and children of God that are in the wrong denomination to come to the light ,and to know the right dressing, sir you need help ooo pls come second touch ministry where you're eye will be upon to see clear, to teach your members and prepare them to heaven
What has deeper life church done to you , pls sir, repent and come out from darkness, sir you are still in darkness, pls be quick, b/c the time is very short now rapture is closer then you think, and you don't even know when death will knock at your door, your church is not a holy church the way am seeing this your members, with Jewelry and painting of their faces,pls come to know deeper trust b/c without holiness no man shall see the Lord
It is sorry situation, that some people are calling these tales of Mr Ogunsanya sermon, it not any sermon, this tales. Please, I am not defending Pastor Kumuyi and Deeper Life, no, but it act of foolishness devoting such a precious time gossipping people, telling tales instead of preaching the gospel. The Deeper Life did not appoint you their counsellor, you have no business. You have business preaching the gospel to your members. Condenming Kumuyi can not be a commission from the Holy God.
The question is what can the church members do about all these talk about Pastor Kumuyi. You claim not to have anything against Pastor Kumuyi yet you are discussing your differences with your members. You surely have a lot against Pastor Kumuyi only those who can't read between lines will believe you. Sir, I now see reasons why your letters were not acknowledged, with humility Sir I won't acknowledged such letters because I am not responsible to you as a pastor. If Pastor Kumuyi organises a minister conference and you attend how will that benefit you even with what all your condemnation of Pastor Kumuyi and what he believes? You said you have never been to Deeper Life yet you know all they are doing that you don't like. Preach what you like to your members you are responsible for their life so also is Pastor Kumuyi. How can you spend all this long time discussing a man you've never sat and discuss with what will happen if you attend his minister's conference. This is the first time i am hearing your message but I must say sir stop saying you don't have anything against Deeper Life you surely have a lot against Pastor Kumuyi.
@@zachaeusogunsanya7305 You have not offended me sir, I just feel you are bigger than talking about what you can't correct. Deeper Life is not the only church that preach against jewellery and women wearing trousers in Nigeria so why all these condemnation of Pastor Kumuyi. I was born in CAC and all these is not allowed.
Bro he sees deeper life as closest on to his ministry doctrine wise, that why he has reference them, Pls understand the first approach of the ministration, & to me it shows how high he regards pastor kumuyi, now concerning trousers & jewellery mentioned, they are not a sin to use all you need do is do your own research cos the bible does not condemn any, you can't tell me jewellery is sin when the streets of gold am going in heaven is made up of them, & in some part of the world if you don't put on your trousers you gonna freeze to death, so my brother give attendance to reading & researching on the scriptures & you will be enlightened
@@adegbamigbeopeyemi449Did you listen to him? How was his church close to Deeper Life we all know? Spending one hour to talk about what you cannot correct is a waste of time and a sign of spiritual shallowness. Many churches started preaching against jewellery before Deeper Life started. Must you correct Kumuyi to get to heaven. His heart is full of bitterness let him repent before it is too late. Jesus didn't make him judge of anyone. The beauty of it is Deeper Life people won't answer him.
Dear G.O. I am let down by your submission on certain issues about dressing code as it befits people going to glory where God is. Do you approve of jewelry as a criterion for heaven as a man who preaches Sanctification? If yes, what does Kumuyi have to do about that? Was it Kumuyi that called you to Ministry? As a G. O of this magnitude, preaching online, what perception do you intend to give the world of sinning hordes with this speech? You're accountable to the Chief Shepherd of our souls, therefore preach like that. If God speaks to you to tell your members to be wearing a particular thing, tell them. When we get to heaven, we shall all know who is right and who is wrong. But ministers going out to murder another minister with the weapon of pulpit is worst than political shenanigans. Not to talk of Ministry like yours where holiness is claimed to be preached. Sir, please stay on course. You have more to preach to this congregation than this. Enjoy your day, sir.
@@oshiahanwamoses327 How can someone who call himself a pastor preach so much hatred in a cunning way. We all know what Deeper Life stands for but this one doesn't have any identity
You speak out of canal mind no matter how you proof it the stardard remain sure you left the Deeper life bcos you can not wistand the preaching check your faith
Did you watch the video? Am sure he said he NEVER went to deeper life though many thought he was a deeper life member because of his high regard for pastor Kumuyi.
Why misleading innocent people?Preach Bible and stop criticizing someone's messages.This is what the world wants to hear.Freedom to practice what they want.I'm sorry for your members.
May be you need to listen to the message again, he talks with respect he has for pastor kumuyi, but when it comes with Christiandom matters there will always be a controversies, when it comes to taking a stand, go and study ur bible & read books, I recommend (Gods generals) by Robert liradon, any of the editions, take ur time to do ur research except for if u ar a baby christian
Why misleading innocent people?Preach Bible and stop criticizing someone's messages.This is what the world wants to hear.Freedom to practice what they want.I'm sorry for your members.
@@adegbamigbeopeyemi449are you his defender? I felt he is angry because his letter to KUMUYI wasn't replied. If pastor have replied his letter that suit him, you won't have heard this. He is trying to relief his bitterness to his members.
I listened to the video with a opened mind, the first 18min established the foundation that he (the pastor) has good, strong, and healthy relationships with papa Kumuyi, though not personally but had worked closely with him. The video show both papa kumuyi and him shaking hands and sharing the same podium as seen on web space as he had mention during his preaching. This establishes basic fact to what message he’s trying to pass across to his members.
The things he said may not be what other people want to hear, but is doesn’t mean that they aren’t true.
Hmm! Hope this voice is not coming too late. We needed this perspectives decades ago. A lot of men and women who would have benefited from the excellent discipleship opportunities of deeper life were scared away by these things and they are now trapped in other ministries where they are not profiting as intended.
The one who died on the cross may not be happy if people are kept away from Him by our inadequate understanding of these concepts and practices
Well, it's better late than never.
Thank you sir for this eye opener.
@@funmilayoadesina52 Deeper Life is not the only church in Nigeria so how does what Pastor Kumuyi preaches keep people away from the kingdom. And how do you think God will be angry against Pastor Kumuyi because he preached against women jewellery and trousers because these are the crux of his anger things that ordinarily unbelievers do without. If you are trapped in a ministry you know is not preaching the truth you better come out on time before it is too late and don't let jewelry and trouser which doesn't really add any value to your life lead you to hell.
Am a deeper lifer about the Deuteronomy I agree with this papa
We need a true Minister of God like this at this time, who preach undisputed and undiluted word of God
My daddy please sir continue with this because I know that churches will change for the better in Nigeria, I pray that God will uphold I.j.n
I agree with everything he is saying as deeper life is changing everyday.
We shall continue to hear the truth, this a teaching those who need to hear
let them hear what God is telling are church, He will put his word to his minister like of old.
Our God is great and God bless you sir
It is necessarily important everyone who cares to listen to the true Word of God, should do so and not just what generality of some mere church goers are yearning to hear, mostly around prosperity and riches of the world. Pastor Z.A. Ogunsanya is an undisputable man of God, those who have been following him through different avenues can attest to this. He is a consistent and commited man of God, who practices what he preaches, right from the genesis of his ministry. He is an end time preacher and he maintains his focus only on things above and not here on earth. This shows very well in his lifestyle.
My God is great in Bible pattern church.
I'm grateful for your unwavering commitment to preaching the Word, no matter how challenging
More blessings sir
Weldon you know what you are doing and you know where is it in the Bible God will help you sir
Thank you man of God, we appreciate it. Just as you said - introduction to your message, we are waiting for more on that will transform lifes. More anointing in Jesus name.
The man of God is saying the truth.💯
For those of you saying that he’s dragging pastor Kumuyi, I will advise that we take our time to listen to the message without sentiment and you will understand that he’s not dragging any man of God.
This is the WORD we are talking about.
#Undiluted!!!
I'm a deeper life member and what the man of God is saying is very true,
You are a Deeper Life member and yet agree with this type of a man?
You are not a deeper life member sir, you are a visitor to the church programs.
@@alfredogunlusi2961 please 🙏 with all respect, what is wrong with this sermon
You are definitely lying.
I have an honest question.
I appreciate how he used scriptures to explain why trousers is not a sin.
I'll appreciate if pastor (I know he will see this comment and I believe he will not ignore). Pastor Please use scriptures to explain why jewellery is not a sin.
This is truth Notting but the truth
The word should be preached undiluted and without apologies. May God continue to help us to stick to the truth of His word
It seems many don't understand the perspective and where this pastor is coming from.if u listen,he talked about deeper life been the church he would recommend to others aside his church and why that has changed,and according to this preaching,he has a few disagreement with pastor kumuyi doctrine hence the reason why he dedicated over 1 hour to talk about him,opened scriptures to prove his points and how and why he disagrees with certain things.if only u actually listened carefully and followed wholeheartedly ,you would understand that there was no CRITISM,just truth.God bless❤️
I agree with you
But he said people left deeper life for redeem church because of jewelries, laughable! are those truly saved? worldliness sha.
@@williamakogun3673 honestly,that should not be enough reason to leave a church but tagging what is not wrong ,wrong is bad which causes why he disagrees with pastor kumuyi.🙏
@GloriaBalogun-ex8eh. You are right
We understand all he said. It is said in English and not French. He is more preaching disagreements than preaching the Bible. Is this the message he prepared and prayed over throughout the night to preach. What is the take home for the the members?
We can device men and not God.
Summary, is that we will give account to God. Some so called pastors will God to contend it with when the time comes. Let us ALL beware of pride. Remember, Lucifer
Souls are hungry, give the GOSPEL of CHRIST
So that we can go to HEAVEN sir.
God is great in Bible Pattern Church.
May the good Lord continue to strenghten you sir to continue digging out the truth that the people of this end time need. More grace sir
@@Oluwasheyijoslen so all these animosity in his heart that he is pouring it is now the truth to you. He is surely an end time preacher.
i advised that you focus more on getting to heaven than looking for animosity in the preacher... if you care to listen, you can listen to the message again, this time gently with an open mind. thank you sir@@alfredogunlusi2961
Hum un this message is truth nothing but the truth if we listening to it with open heart, we will understand where his coming from, before showing his disagreement with Baba W F Kumuyi.
Sir,what is your explanation on worldliness as a holiness preacher
God help us all to receieve the wholesome truth that will liberate us at this end time no matter how bitter it is
Our God is great
Am in 100% agreement with the man of GOD, cos number one commandment we are to hold unto is the Bible in line with our decision, all he's still saying is scriptural, jewellery is not a sin, trousers are not sin, depend on which sex it belongs to, and using pastor kumuyi as reference, it shows he has a lot of respect for him & not criticising him
Jewelery is not a sin why did Peter and Paul talk against it? I pet 3: 3.1 Tim 2:8- 10.
Pls I beg you look at those two passages you posted, the one of peter was simply using jewelry to illustrate how you should be inwardly, and that of Paul when you look at the preceeding verse it talks about men praying everywhere & that women should do the same & not to pay more attention to outward apparel & that they should be sober. I pray the Holy ghost of GOD interprete it more to you sir
@@ComfortEkpin-ru6jm before you can base your conclusion on this two scripture, please 🙏 search for all other scripture that talks about jewellery and explain all of them in such a way that none of them is contradicting, then we can agree weather it's sinful or not
The message is revealing from a pragmatic minister of God!
The church has been so bastardised and i am in support of discussing openly for correction.God bless!
The love of money and power(importance and influence) by leaders of the church is destroying the work of the kingdom.
Souls suffer here, GOD have MERCY here
Rescue the perishing
Care for the dying
God continue to be with you sir
Our God is great!!!
Keep saying the truth sir
This is very correct.
Let's preach Jesus and Jesus Alone should be our message
That's the most important
More blessing sir
More blessings 🙏 sir
This sermon is in a series, this is just the introduction. I plead that all should be curious and ensure to check back for the continuation of this sermon. I assure you that it will increase the depth of your understanding of the scriptures. The bible will be dissected properly as we continue. Stay tuned.
How can I get it please?
God is great
More divine support sir
I think there are churches' diverse positions which are based on expedience and not biblical doctrines. I think these should be respected. The reason why everybody may not fellowship in some other churches is not because of wrong biblical doctrines but the demand they placed on their own members. The subject of corrections must be on the fundamentals of our Christian faith where wrong is perceived-salvation, holiness ...
Jesus is losing His place in our churches painfully so, because instead of men on the pulpit to be preaching Jesus Christ to the salvation and deliverance of men, they are busy censuring the work of other men. These are unbiblical approach to ministry. Jesus' disciples told him about somebody preaching that must be stopped. He only asked, 'is he for us or against us'. Meaning, is he teaching the fundamentals of the faith, he then told them to leave him.
More anointing ijn
💯
Precious time us wasted. Jesus will not have time for this kind of messages. Preach the gospel, nothing but the gospel.
Every organisation has its attire, your disagreements here 23:22 are inconsequential.
If the workers and the leaders are not allowed to use it, it is the choice of the management of that organisation, not the management of another organisation.
With all this our pastor has said, I don't see anything said here is disrespecting pastor kumuyi but it has always been the truth but nothing but the truth
With all respect Pastor Kumuyi doesn't care about your insultive words towards him.....
PREACH JESUS!!!
And dont preach KUMUYI!!
He's not insulting pastor kumuyi in any way, he's only telling us that this is the way he leads his flocks, in high respect he has for pastor kumuyi, in line with the bible the final authority
Honestly. He's not the first to start these series against kumuyi and he won't be the last.Let them continue.
pastors should focus on God s work and pastor Kumuyi alone
If your desire to allow God Almighty to bless you in this wretched earth and you want to make heaven at last, then you must listen to this message several times! Everything said in this sermon is a reality! If you love the truth, and you want the truth to set you free, then hearing this message, you are at right place!😂
With due respect sir. I think saying the members should "stay put" in Bible Pattern Church is misleading! Please note, I'm not a member of Deeperlife. However, your 1hr message is injurious to the church helpful sir.
Sir, telling the members of his local (visible) church to stay put in the church is just the correct thing for a reasonable pastor to say.
What we must understand is that the word, "church" has 2 sides:
1. The invisible church is the assembly of the called out ones from allover the world (the complete body of Christ);
2. The visible churches (different denominations allover the world) which comprise of both sinners and children of God in each church.
Each denomination is the responsibility of its pastor, and each pastor will give account to God on every of his subjects. It's therefore in place for a pastor of a local church to tell his members to stay put in the local church for the right nourishment-a Chinese person will satisfactorily take nodules, while a typical Nigerian person (like me) feels punished if he's served nodules in place of pounded yam/egusi soup. Hope we got me right.
Is this baba preaching the bible or talking about his disagreement with Pastor Kumuyi and deeper life?
Preaching the bible in line with his disagreement with pastor kumuyi, cos all he's saying is scriptural, all u need do is u ur self need to study the scriptures
He is angry I think because his letter wasn't replied
@@Samsontash1lol.... his letters?
someone that has stood on the pupit of deeper life and preached? listen to his messages with an open mind and see it through the world of God, then you will understand. he's not angry, he's pointing out his disagreement with churches in nigeria in line with the bible and deeper life happens to be the introductory of the sermon....
The last time I checked the instructed teaching whatsoever thing I have taught you "not teaching them the 'pit fall of fellow minister! Miriam and Aaron tried it on Moses saw result pls why not leave another man's servants and face the ministry you received, Peter wanted to know what will become of John Jesus queried whatever I desire of John what is it to you ? Neither he that forbear nor he that eateth all is of the Lord let seemingly professing ministers serve thr Lord and not feebles that endify no one except exciting men with intching ears
You said about deeper life women not putting on jewelry, now that your church put on jewelry, has that added anything to their faith. Did your church have all that is required to make heaven and you think you don't have your errors in your teachings and presentation. You have joined those judging others and you put your self to be the right person.
I am hearing or knowing him here for the first time.
@@Samsontash1you don't need to know him for him to be a child of God... take time to visit his church and see the wonders God is doing through him... he's a real child of God!
Preach the word and leave Kumuyi alone. His vision and convictions are none of your business. Peach your own Word of God and convince your congregation to follow your doctrine.
You are spoiling pastor kumuyi Sir. For over one hour, you spent your message time disparaging pastor WF KUMUYI. Well-done sir.
But it is true!
@@damilolaomosebi4189 What is true. Let him face his calling. He's responsible to God as Kumuyi is. As God has called him, let him remain in the call and preach. If God told him that earrings and trousers wearing is not sin,let him preach it. If God have not open the eyes of Kumuyi to preach it,let him alone. Let the man face his front.
@@HilaryOgbonna-ho8wjLeave the man to nurse his bitterness. I grew up seeing pastors desparaging Pastor kumuyi so it not going to stop now.
people like you are why christianity is what it is today... all youbcare about is your pastor not jesus, not his word... have you for once search the scriptures about those points raised against baba kumuyi? NO!... God will help you sir@@alfredogunlusi2961
From all this teachings, is there any sin he has found with Kumuyi? If Past. Kumuyi frawns at women wearing trousers, is that a sin?. Are we just trying to populate church by allowing people to do whatever pleases them? If we keep silent on women wearing exposing cloths, slacks, promoting lust in the congregation, how will that help them get to heaven. I don´t see any message in this but castigating pastor Kumuyi as he clearly states that he has things he never believed while with Deeper Life that he refuse to tell the world. Beware of sin and the danger of hell.
What I don't understand what this Pastor is saying is this, Is Kumuyi in his church telling his female members to stop wearing earrings,I don't think sir and I doubt it. This allegation is strong that He told Kumuyi that Kumuyi is already aware that wearing of jewellery is not a sin but Kumuyi has fears to tell his members to start wearing earrings.
That's laughable.
Just one simple question,is wearing jewellery a point to debate in Christendom?
If convinced by the HolySpirit don't wear if not convinced wear now.
But then why is it that Nurses and medics in the theatres. don't wear Earrings and when they are on their duty,why is it called Vanity?
Every pastor with their opinion and online facade .
Most important is everyone should live holy life to get to heaven,no debates in heaven ooo
So when you believed Deut 22.5 you were a child and God was not the one talking to you that time Abi?
Everyone should be careful how they lead and mislead their followers.
Laughable things😅
Sir is it Ur conviction that you want us to follow or God's word. Remember, the scripture can never been broken. Sir, just tell me one thing that makes Christian of now days different from worldly people?
Sir it is not his conviction here, all he's still saying are all scriptural, bring up one out from all he has said, & I will show you where they are in the bible
Sir, preach the gospel and stop using style to condemn people and ministery.
How can I get the series please?
Hmmm are these stories needed? Well everyone is subject with his opinion and every call has is message. Pst face your congregation and preach the gospel when we get to heaven we will know better.
Pls preach the word ,be instant in season and out of season.Dont poison your congregation do their blood will not be required from you.
The man is advertising for Deeper life.Many of his congregation will be condemning him in their heart.
I m sorry sir but God knows your heart what A man sow it what he reap
One hour to talk about a pastor,kaii
It simply shows how important the man of GOD is to him & why he must take his stand
You're only transferring your hatred for deeper LIFE to your members Sir...
Listen to the message with the fear of God in your heart
Sir, there is no hatred here, u need to go & re listen to the message, it is out of the high respect he has for pastor kumuyi that he had to take a stand against what he sees not to be scriptural, if jewellery is a sin why are we promised street of gold when we get to heaven, if jewellery is a sin the you must not be wearing any cloth that has brass, silver, or gold on it as a button or zip then
@@adegbamigbeopeyemi449if people leave a denomination because of trousers 👖 and jewelries, then they have problem already not because of dressings.
Holiness Revival movement by Pastor Paul Rika is the ministry God has brought in our generation to save the whole world , and to change and to open the eyes of those in darkness, most of the pastors are under fist touches, while Holiness Revival movement ministry brings the pastors and children of God that are in the wrong denomination to come to the light ,and to know the right dressing, sir you need help ooo pls come second touch ministry where you're eye will be upon to see clear, to teach your members and prepare them to heaven
What has deeper life church done to you , pls sir, repent and come out from darkness, sir you are still in darkness, pls be quick, b/c the time is very short now rapture is closer then you think, and you don't even know when death will knock at your door, your church is not a holy church the way am seeing this your members, with Jewelry and painting of their faces,pls come to know deeper trust b/c without holiness no man shall see the Lord
Is not wearing jewelry and not painting face a symbol of holiness. What about your heart? Is it in tune with God?
This is a great divine insight! Time to correct all the man made doctrines destroying members and perspectives. God bless you sir for this !
Yes ooo 😅
It is sorry situation, that some people are calling these tales of Mr Ogunsanya sermon, it not any sermon, this tales. Please, I am not defending Pastor Kumuyi and Deeper Life, no, but it act of foolishness devoting such a precious time gossipping people, telling tales instead of preaching the gospel. The Deeper Life did not appoint you their counsellor, you have no business. You have business preaching the gospel to your members. Condenming Kumuyi can not be a commission from the Holy God.
The question is what can the church members do about all these talk about Pastor Kumuyi. You claim not to have anything against Pastor Kumuyi yet you are discussing your differences with your members. You surely have a lot against Pastor Kumuyi only those who can't read between lines will believe you. Sir, I now see reasons why your letters were not acknowledged, with humility Sir I won't acknowledged such letters because I am not responsible to you as a pastor. If Pastor Kumuyi organises a minister conference and you attend how will that benefit you even with what all your condemnation of Pastor Kumuyi and what he believes? You said you have never been to Deeper Life yet you know all they are doing that you don't like. Preach what you like to your members you are responsible for their life so also is Pastor Kumuyi. How can you spend all this long time discussing a man you've never sat and discuss with what will happen if you attend his minister's conference. This is the first time i am hearing your message but I must say sir stop saying you don't have anything against Deeper Life you surely have a lot against Pastor Kumuyi.
@@zachaeusogunsanya7305 You have not offended me sir, I just feel you are bigger than talking about what you can't correct. Deeper Life is not the only church that preach against jewellery and women wearing trousers in Nigeria so why all these condemnation of Pastor Kumuyi. I was born in CAC and all these is not allowed.
Bro he sees deeper life as closest on to his ministry doctrine wise, that why he has reference them, Pls understand the first approach of the ministration, & to me it shows how high he regards pastor kumuyi, now concerning trousers & jewellery mentioned, they are not a sin to use all you need do is do your own research cos the bible does not condemn any, you can't tell me jewellery is sin when the streets of gold am going in heaven is made up of them, & in some part of the world if you don't put on your trousers you gonna freeze to death, so my brother give attendance to reading & researching on the scriptures & you will be enlightened
@@adegbamigbeopeyemi449Did you listen to him? How was his church close to Deeper Life we all know? Spending one hour to talk about what you cannot correct is a waste of time and a sign of spiritual shallowness. Many churches started preaching against jewellery before Deeper Life started. Must you correct Kumuyi to get to heaven. His heart is full of bitterness let him repent before it is too late. Jesus didn't make him judge of anyone. The beauty of it is Deeper Life people won't answer him.
Dear G.O. I am let down by your submission on certain issues about dressing code as it befits people going to glory where God is. Do you approve of jewelry as a criterion for heaven as a man who preaches Sanctification? If yes, what does Kumuyi have to do about that? Was it Kumuyi that called you to Ministry?
As a G. O of this magnitude, preaching online, what perception do you intend to give the world of sinning hordes with this speech? You're accountable to the Chief Shepherd of our souls, therefore preach like that. If God speaks to you to tell your members to be wearing a particular thing, tell them. When we get to heaven, we shall all know who is right and who is wrong. But ministers going out to murder another minister with the weapon of pulpit is worst than political shenanigans. Not to talk of Ministry like yours where holiness is claimed to be preached.
Sir, please stay on course. You have more to preach to this congregation than this. Enjoy your day, sir.
Thank you so much sir. It shall be well with you sir.
Sorry, Pastor you're misleading the people. Please fear God.
@@oshiahanwamoses327 How can someone who call himself a pastor preach so much hatred in a cunning way. We all know what Deeper Life stands for but this one doesn't have any identity
You speak out of canal mind no matter how you proof it the stardard remain sure you left the Deeper life bcos you can not wistand the preaching check your faith
Did you watch the video?
Am sure he said he NEVER went to deeper life though many thought he was a deeper life member because of his high regard for pastor Kumuyi.
Why misleading innocent people?Preach Bible and stop criticizing someone's messages.This is what the world wants to hear.Freedom to practice what they want.I'm sorry for your members.
Imagine spending such a precious time commenting on Pastor Kumuyi and even using derogatory language.
May be you need to listen to the message again, he talks with respect he has for pastor kumuyi, but when it comes with Christiandom matters there will always be a controversies, when it comes to taking a stand, go and study ur bible & read books, I recommend (Gods generals) by Robert liradon, any of the editions, take ur time to do ur research except for if u ar a baby christian
No anoiting he is strugling to talt about pastor kumuyi not preaching to the member what a shame
God is great in Bible Pattern Church
My God is great
Why misleading innocent people?Preach Bible and stop criticizing someone's messages.This is what the world wants to hear.Freedom to practice what they want.I'm sorry for your members.
That is not criticism Bro, & that's what I call preaching cos it's in sighting & enlighting, maybe you need to go & listing to the message again
@@adegbamigbeopeyemi449are you his defender? I felt he is angry because his letter to KUMUYI wasn't replied. If pastor have replied his letter that suit him, you won't have heard this. He is trying to relief his bitterness to his members.
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At least look at your own life first before trashing rubbish 😏
@@Samsontash1ppl like you don’t need replies 😏