People say "if you seen one Flair match you seen them all". Well that one match must have been a hell of a match because he was on top and drew money for "decades" with it.
It's true lol everyone of them is the same all the way to the stupid flair flop. He drew because they never really took the belt off of him and he could talk. At a few points dusty Rhodes was a bigger draw but it doesn't mean the matches were any good. Other examples hogan, ultimate warrior who I loved, Batista and so on.
People do say that and on the latter half of his career it was true. But working in the territories including his early days his title matches would go at least 30 mins and that was how he was used to working. However when 30mins - 1 hour matches were no longer a thing, it seemed like he had to get all of his big stuff in say 15-20 mins so yeah it made hm look repetitive
The humanoids who have derided Flair’s repertoire amount to Ole Anderson and a small handful of minor talent that saw most of his matches live. We fans saw his tv work, closed circuit and some non-televised house shows. Flair played the hits, if you will. The Rolling Stones and others don’t sell out arenas worldwide for “a little tune we wrote last summer.”
@@chadjustice8560 Flair used the same repetoire of moves. And? Whose moves was he supposed to use? DDT? Steel chairs? Iron Claw? Flair made guys that could wrestle look good, body-builders look good, prelim guys look good, martial artists in Japan look good, top babyfaces in territories that were only there because they were related to someone in the office look good. Flair was the best at taking the local babyface and making him look like he could be the world champion. Sorry, but UW was horrible, and Hogan only ever made Hogan look good. And I don't count anyone that didn't start until the last 30 years in the conversation, because they were sports entertainers, not wrestlers. Wrestlers had to protect themselves and their opponent, because if a guy got hurt and couldn't wrestle, he didn't get paid. No guaranteed contracts.
Ted is close, but his memory is a bit faulty- the NWA, up until 86, was Florida, Georgia, Mid-Atlantic, World Class, Central States, St. Louis, Tri-State, Continental/Southeast, Southwest, Pacific Northwest, All-Japan, Mexico, and Australia/New Zealand. Mid-South recognized the NWA champion, but had become independent when Watts broke off from McGuirk. Memphis was pretty independent, eventually siding with AWA. AWA had their own champion, as did WWF. Dibiase was told that being with Watts was holding him back (being a non-NWA territory) so he went to Georgia. Before his 1984 death David Von Erich was on the short list, with Flair and Ted.
Name me a wrestler who doesn't do the same spots every match? The Flair haters always give him shit, but it's something they're all guilty of. Bret takes the same shoulder bump into the turnbuckle, Macho always did the double ax handle off the top, Hennig oversell a face slam, Shawn does top rope groin bump, etc.
Wondering how would Ted DiBiase and the late "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff had signed with the National Wrestling Alliance/Jim Crockett Promotions instead of the World Wrestling Federation in the late 1980s. Jim Crockett definitely should have done a full merger with Bill Watts' Universal Wrestling Federation, in the late 1980s.
That particular knock on Flair isn't as true as some make it. Flair had the "same match" because he spent a lot of time in the 80s facing the same guy: jacked up, limited but athletic musclemen. Both Road Warriors. Sting. Lex. Billy Jack. Tony Atlas. Guys like that. Give him a quality wrestler--like a Ted or Steamboat or a Brisco or Armstrong--and he could and did do more.
Ted won the Mid South North American title very early in his career. He lost it a week or two later on TV. I remember being upset because he was a baby face then. I know now that's a common way to move a belt between two heels without them having a match.
I went to see Ric Flair bleed . Every live event Flair was at he would bleed. That red blood with that blond hair would stand out a mile No blood and the fans were disappointed. The most blood I have seen was Flair and Blackjack Mulligan at Greensboro NC.
What I hated about Ric Flair being champion is that most of the time, he won't win fair and square, and/or he'll get himself disqualified. But that's a role of a heel.
Flair always made the baby face guy look good. Flair could take the guy selling popcorn in the stands for a one hr Broadway and get beat by the guy for 60 minutes. Just before the bell would ring Flair would cheat to win beating the popcorn salesman. Everyone would think the popcorn guy was that good no Flair made him look that good. Flair is the GOAT.
You have that the other way around. "Nature Boy" Ric Flair was definitely over as the top heel as the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Champion, in NWA territories, way before Ted DiBiase had his 'Million-Dollar Man" gimmick in the WWF.
Two things: 1. Adrian Adonis did that same turnbuckle bump very well, and 2. I would assume that it would be much easier to book a championship match with a heel champ instead of a face champ. It is amazing to me that the McMahons were able to have a face champ 90% of the time for their first thirty years.
Face champs were the norm every where . The NWA champ was the exception . He faced the top Face everywhere because faces sold tickets . The champ had to be a heel …though they gad some success with Jack Brisco ( he was a huge draw in his day )
@@pooddescrewch8718 Well, the NWA champ was a traveling champ, and all of the face champs were basically in one territory. I totally get what you are saying about selling tickets, but I never understood the appeal of having a face like Verne, Bruno, or Backlund holding the belt as long as they did as opposed to having the face chasing the belt. As I understand it, the cool thing about Jack Brisco (and Dory Funk Jr) was that they were the face/heel depending on WHERE they were wrestling. For example, in TX, the Funks were the faces, and in FL, the Briscos were. David Von Erich was loved in TX, but a heel in FL, too. In retrospect, I think Piper should have won the WWF belt a couple months before WrestleMania I to give Hogan something to chase after.
Flair had to go to a territory and make the top babyface look good, no matter how limited they were in the ring. So, he kept it basic and ran a few of the same moves. But to say he had the same match is BS. He went for an hour plenty of times. It was different than his 20 minute matches. His matches with Dusty or Harley were different than with Nikita, or the Road Warriors, or Sting, or Luger. And remember, Hogan had 4 moves. Nash had 6, with the hair flip. Ted did plenty of the same matches. It's not a video game. You use what you know to stay safe.
I truly believe that the reason that Flair worked the 'same' match was bc when he came into an area he was fighting guys with different abilities and bc he was working this guy for one match and he flies into town from New Zealand he doesn't have time to work on the match earlier in the day. So he has to do things that the other guycan handle. Do I sound like a Naitch apologist? I was a middle class kid from Ct who just got tired of the WWF Circus body builders so when TBS came to Ct it was like it was like this new world opened up. The few times that we went down South to see my brother in the Marines I fell in love w/the people and the neighborly way that no longer existed up North. Waitress saying, 'What would you like honey?' So when I was old enough to earn my own $ it would cost me $200 to fly down to where Flair was working. I stay for a day or 2 and go home - by myself. While sitting ringside (it's a lot easier getting a SINGLE great seat) I was ecstatic to see Naitch so I saw the same match several times but I was happy. I always wondered, Does a heel want you to cheer them or does it piss them like this isn't supposed to happen. Maybe we should ask Teddy. I'm a Ted also and I'd like to say to Ted 'You sir, we're an exceptional worker' and if you didn't go to work for Vince you definitely would've gotten the strap.
The NWA was facing anti trust suits and was failing by 1982 . Ric was the last Real NWA champs before Vince raided every territory and The Crocketts bought out most of the NWA . His first reign was not a good one . He was not drawing . But after Vinces raids took most of his competition fir the top NWA spot . No one not Hulk Hogan ever owed Vince McMahon more for his career than Ric Flair
Flair had no credibility beyond mid Atlantic. Harley Race putting Flair over in 1983 is what then enables Flair credibility. He said he could not draw money in 1982 as world champion. After Race losing to Flair was Flair then a drawing attraction.
@@rolltide9547 old giving way to the young...I recall Race saying he did not want Flair holding the belt as Flair was not ready. Race WAS the NWA and had final say when and to who he would lose. St Louis wrestling was not about antics and gimmicks. It was a market and wrestlers in what would be Central States hadto bring it. I miss 1970s wrestling, dark arenas and in focus on the craft with out show boating
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People say "if you seen one Flair match you seen them all". Well that one match must have been a hell of a match because he was on top and drew money for "decades" with it.
It's true lol everyone of them is the same all the way to the stupid flair flop. He drew because they never really took the belt off of him and he could talk. At a few points dusty Rhodes was a bigger draw but it doesn't mean the matches were any good. Other examples hogan, ultimate warrior who I loved, Batista and so on.
People do say that and on the latter half of his career it was true. But working in the territories including his early days his title matches would go at least 30 mins and that was how he was used to working.
However when 30mins - 1 hour matches were no longer a thing, it seemed like he had to get all of his big stuff in say 15-20 mins so yeah it made hm look repetitive
The humanoids who have derided Flair’s repertoire amount to Ole Anderson and a small handful of minor talent that saw most of his matches live. We fans saw his tv work, closed circuit and some non-televised house shows. Flair played the hits, if you will. The Rolling Stones and others don’t sell out arenas worldwide for “a little tune we wrote last summer.”
@@chadjustice8560 Flair used the same repetoire of moves. And? Whose moves was he supposed to use? DDT? Steel chairs? Iron Claw? Flair made guys that could wrestle look good, body-builders look good, prelim guys look good, martial artists in Japan look good, top babyfaces in territories that were only there because they were related to someone in the office look good. Flair was the best at taking the local babyface and making him look like he could be the world champion. Sorry, but UW was horrible, and Hogan only ever made Hogan look good. And I don't count anyone that didn't start until the last 30 years in the conversation, because they were sports entertainers, not wrestlers. Wrestlers had to protect themselves and their opponent, because if a guy got hurt and couldn't wrestle, he didn't get paid. No guaranteed contracts.
Ted is close, but his memory is a bit faulty- the NWA, up until 86, was Florida, Georgia, Mid-Atlantic, World Class, Central States, St. Louis, Tri-State, Continental/Southeast, Southwest, Pacific Northwest, All-Japan, Mexico, and Australia/New Zealand. Mid-South recognized the NWA champion, but had become independent when Watts broke off from McGuirk. Memphis was pretty independent, eventually siding with AWA. AWA had their own champion, as did WWF. Dibiase was told that being with Watts was holding him back (being a non-NWA territory) so he went to Georgia. Before his 1984 death David Von Erich was on the short list, with Flair and Ted.
Great memory!
Name me a wrestler who doesn't do the same spots every match? The Flair haters always give him shit, but it's something they're all guilty of. Bret takes the same shoulder bump into the turnbuckle, Macho always did the double ax handle off the top, Hennig oversell a face slam, Shawn does top rope groin bump, etc.
Wondering how would Ted DiBiase and the late "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff had signed with the National Wrestling Alliance/Jim Crockett Promotions instead of the World Wrestling Federation in the late 1980s.
Jim Crockett definitely should have done a full merger with Bill Watts' Universal Wrestling Federation, in the late 1980s.
If you haven't done a watch along to the flair divided mid south match you need to!
Flair had a few baby face moments in Georgia wrestling history.
That particular knock on Flair isn't as true as some make it.
Flair had the "same match" because he spent a lot of time in the 80s facing the same guy: jacked up, limited but athletic musclemen. Both Road Warriors. Sting. Lex. Billy Jack. Tony Atlas. Guys like that. Give him a quality wrestler--like a Ted or Steamboat or a Brisco or Armstrong--and he could and did do more.
Ted won the Mid South North American title very early in his career. He lost it a week or two later on TV. I remember being upset because he was a baby face then. I know now that's a common way to move a belt between two heels without them having a match.
I went to see Ric Flair bleed . Every live event Flair was at he would bleed. That red blood with that blond hair would stand out a mile
No blood and the fans were disappointed.
The most blood I have seen was Flair and Blackjack Mulligan at Greensboro NC.
I wanted both guys open everytime. Flair always delivered.
Both are top echelon wrestlers.
What I hated about Ric Flair being champion is that most of the time, he won't win fair and square, and/or he'll get himself disqualified. But that's a role of a heel.
That’s what the Bookers wanted dude
Ted would have been a great NWA champ! Too bad it never happened!
Flair always made the baby face guy look good. Flair could take the guy selling popcorn in the stands for a one hr Broadway and get beat by the guy for 60 minutes. Just before the bell would ring Flair would cheat to win beating the popcorn salesman. Everyone would think the popcorn guy was that good no Flair made him look that good.
Flair is the GOAT.
Ted didn't need the NWA belt to validate his greatness.
Marcus you are an excellent interviewer!
@@sitcom1971 thank you!
Ted DiBiase would’ve been a great NWA champion
And WWF Champion
Same with the late "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. He would have also had a good NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship run.
As a kid I just thought that Ric Flair was a cheap version of Ted DiBiase because of how well those vignettes were produced
Obviously you weren't around in 70s & 80s
@@30907bng late 80s
You have that the other way around. "Nature Boy" Ric Flair was definitely over as the top heel as the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Champion, in NWA territories, way before Ted DiBiase had his 'Million-Dollar Man" gimmick in the WWF.
@@Mr.Majestic77 I'm talking about when I was a kid, living in New York the NWA wasn't a big deal
Ted was an excellent wrestler.
Two things:
1. Adrian Adonis did that same turnbuckle bump very well, and
2. I would assume that it would be much easier to book a championship match with a heel champ instead of a face champ. It is amazing to me that the McMahons were able to have a face champ 90% of the time for their first thirty years.
Face champs were the norm every where . The NWA champ was the exception . He faced the top Face everywhere because faces sold tickets . The champ had to be a heel …though they gad some success with Jack Brisco ( he was a huge draw in his day )
@@pooddescrewch8718 Well, the NWA champ was a traveling champ, and all of the face champs were basically in one territory. I totally get what you are saying about selling tickets, but I never understood the appeal of having a face like Verne, Bruno, or Backlund holding the belt as long as they did as opposed to having the face chasing the belt.
As I understand it, the cool thing about Jack Brisco (and Dory Funk Jr) was that they were the face/heel depending on WHERE they were wrestling. For example, in TX, the Funks were the faces, and in FL, the Briscos were.
David Von Erich was loved in TX, but a heel in FL, too.
In retrospect, I think Piper should have won the WWF belt a couple months before WrestleMania I to give Hogan something to chase after.
Flair had to go to a territory and make the top babyface look good, no matter how limited they were in the ring. So, he kept it basic and ran a few of the same moves. But to say he had the same match is BS. He went for an hour plenty of times. It was different than his 20 minute matches. His matches with Dusty or Harley were different than with Nikita, or the Road Warriors, or Sting, or Luger.
And remember, Hogan had 4 moves. Nash had 6, with the hair flip. Ted did plenty of the same matches. It's not a video game. You use what you know to stay safe.
When I hear "NWA World Champion" I think Harley Race. No offense to Flair.
what? what? what? Sorry Harley Race prime left him by 1974.
@@davidporter7051- Wow. He was only 31.
@@rgood1204 definitely over the hill.
I truly believe that the reason that Flair worked the 'same' match was bc when he came into an area he was fighting guys with different abilities and bc he was working this guy for one match and he flies into town from New Zealand he doesn't have time to work on the match earlier in the day. So he has to do things that the other guycan handle. Do I sound like a Naitch apologist? I was a middle class kid from Ct who just got tired of the WWF Circus body builders so when TBS came to Ct it was like it was like this new world opened up. The few times that we went down South to see my brother in the Marines I fell in love w/the people and the neighborly way that no longer existed up North. Waitress saying, 'What would you like honey?' So when I was old enough to earn my own $ it would cost me $200 to fly down to where Flair was working. I stay for a day or 2 and go home - by myself. While sitting ringside (it's a lot easier getting a SINGLE great seat) I was ecstatic to see Naitch so I saw the same match several times but I was happy. I always wondered, Does a heel want you to cheer them or does it piss them like this isn't supposed to happen. Maybe we should ask Teddy. I'm a Ted also and I'd like to say to Ted 'You sir, we're an exceptional worker' and if you didn't go to work for Vince you definitely would've gotten the strap.
The NWA was facing anti trust suits and was failing by 1982 . Ric was the last Real NWA champs before Vince raided every territory and The Crocketts bought out most of the NWA . His first reign was not a good one . He was not drawing . But after Vinces raids took most of his competition fir the top NWA spot . No one not Hulk Hogan ever owed Vince McMahon more for his career than Ric Flair
Did Ted take any acting classes when he was becoming The Million Dollar Man? If not he was a natural. One of a kind.
Ric Flair in St. Louis as NWA Champion was the best wrestling I’ve ever seen. He would almost lose every time! 😛
Flair had no credibility beyond mid Atlantic. Harley Race putting Flair over in 1983 is what then enables Flair credibility. He said he could not draw money in 1982 as world champion. After Race losing to Flair was Flair then a drawing attraction.
That is because Harley was the man at the point. He made Flair a star like Flair did many others.
@@rolltide9547 old giving way to the young...I recall Race saying he did not want Flair holding the belt as Flair was not ready. Race WAS the NWA and had final say when and to who he would lose. St Louis wrestling was not about antics and gimmicks. It was a market and wrestlers in what would be Central States hadto bring it. I miss 1970s wrestling, dark arenas and in focus on the craft with out show boating
As far as flair always has the same match. So do 100 other wrestlers. WTF
Ted and the little kid dribbling the basketball for money has to go down as the single greatest out of ring skit in history