I know, right? The very best we could expect now is a celebrity interviewing University Professors in 60 second segments of basic summaries interspersed with other fatuous celebrities.
jay now even more so with the withering of so many post-modern souls replaced with the dominance of empty civility and technocratic and bureaucratic deadspeach.
@@jackbicknell4711 I’m certain. Of course I have to allow for nitwits who misapprehend the primacy of thought and consciousness. But of course it’s not in my nature to cleanse the unwashed.
The eternal recurrence which is the one metaphysical point is his whole philosophy one might say, is taken 99 out of 100 scenarios by laugh or disregard. But in that one case when you actually get it and seems real, it just brighten up his whole philosophy in your head and spirit.
@@dl2415 listen to the episode. It's an idea that the history repeats itself infinitely in a cycle. So we have already had this chat a million times a and we'll have it another million times. If we're condemned into the eternal repetition of things, we'd better act according to the highest morals, like a hero would do. (I haven't read Nietzsche, that's my interpretation taken from the video)
It is certainly an important lens to view his other writings in. Especially his notion of Amor Fati. It explains his conviction clearly. But it’s rooted in physics, and highly-likely mistaken by today’s science. The universe is expanding and accelerating. So atoms aren’t just “rearranging” infinitely as he supposed. The heat death of the universe is more likely. Still good food for thought though
Fully agreed bro. I started with Nietzsche and then tried Kant/Hume/Plato and they were terribly dry... Back into Nietzsche and I'd forgotten how superbly he wrote
My oh my. Thus spoke Professor Stern. What I wouldn't have given to have had access to this dialogue back when I was studying Nietzsche. It would have saved me a lot of time trying to keep my moral compass on a righteous course, while avoiding the ever present Abyss that is woven throughout our Cosmic Drama.
can you tell more about what happened to your moral compass, I had a similar experience poetic ending too “avoiding the ever present abyss that is woven throughout our cosmic drama” 🤙
yes, this: It would have saved me a lot of time trying to keep my moral compass on a righteous course, while avoiding the ever present Abyss that is woven throughout our Cosmic Drama. LOL
You could say that if the weak join together to confront the “great man”, they are showing strength. It can take courage to act together against someone who is, on a one-to-one basis, stronger than you
@@arronshaw5358 The individual gang members must have the courage not to split. It’s very easy for a crowd to be dispersed if they don’t have both courage and trust in each other. Even the strong form gangs
Are you listening to what you’re saying? It takes strength and courage to go something alone, not to stay with a group. The group provides security whereas the individual must provide their own. Courage not to split? Why would they it is fear and weakness that keeps them together as you say they would lose on a one to one basis, so it’s fear that keeps them together perusing the goal as a group rather than strength or courage.
@@kennethmarshall306 p.s. I did not mean that to come across as rude, I’m just a little shocked by this assertion. Appreciate you taking the time to respond
If the gang is the underdog, perhaps a small movement trying to overthrow a tyrannical government, then everything the OP has said is true It would take enormous courage to overwhelm an amoral and savage dictatorship
I am convinced , apart from his early work, the most famous works of Nietzsche reflect his increasing mental instability. There are some great insights, but overall there is something unsettled about these works. Bryan Magee admires Nietzsche's writing style, but sometimes it comes across as bombastic.
At 8:28. "A law unto himself" is agreed to be an accurate summation of Neitzsche. Interesting that the notoriously depraved occultist Allister Crowley summarized his entire ethos with a very similar conclusion "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Perhaps Crowley was influenced by Neitchze at some point as both utterly despised Christianity.
Nietzsche ended his philosophical life in an act of supreme compassion when he embraced a horse being brutally whipped by its master. He shielded the horse from the blows and collapsed on the floor weeping. It would have been interesting if he had not lost his mind. His philosophy might have re-evaluated his views on compassion and pity.
Nietzsche almost certainly did not have tertiary syphilis but rather cerebral autosomal dominant arteriopathy with subcortical infarcts and leukoencephalopathy (CADASIL). That's a mouthful, but the key word is _autosomal,_ which means on non-sex chromosomes. Another sibling had an attenuated form, and his father died young because of it. Frances Golfing charmingly called it _softening of the brain._ Nietzsche didn't get laid much, which is ironic, because his work helped me get laid rather a lot. Also, Nietzsche objected to _pity_ rather than _compassion._ Both he and Zarathustra were deeply compassionate but not pitying. Every time I say this, a bunch of people accuse me of making up the distinction, but I do not see value in talking to people too stupid to Google, which is rather Nietzschean.
The moral and ethical attitudes to what is “good” have come about through our evolution with the natural ego and selfishness or, on the other hand just as natural altruism and empathy are perpetually in conflict, if altruism and empathy didn’t win we would not have survived as a species to what we are today. The Ancient Greek philosophers and religious beliefs would attribute these to higher ideals or “gods”, nonetheless they exist and we now understand more about their origins. I admire and try to follow the stoically and Epicurus who give us practical philosophical ways to live our lives, as long as we don’t grow complacent and not stand up for the really valuable things we all cherish. Great discussion, must admit I am not an academic it appreciate as a layman deep discussions like this.
Values are imposed to some extent upon man by the conditions of life. Of course, man has free-will -- something that theists have never denied -- so, we can value or dis-value whatever we please. But to say we create values is absurd romanticism. Courage, beauty, and health, for example, are not directly created by us, they are natural values that come with simply being alive in this world. He who chooses cowardice over courage, ugliness over beauty, or disease over health, or anyone who is indifferent to such natural values as courage, beauty, and health necessarily dis-values life. But this willful ignorance is not a creation of new values, instead it is a suicidal rejection of the true and natural ground for all values itself.
Nietzsche was a dangerous hysteric during a more primitive time when the benighted people of late medieval Europe would listen to any lunatic shouting laud enough. I think goodness that I was born into the start of the internet age that has finally nailed the coffin of religious medievalism shut.
Nietzsche was brilliant but there is one problem: he was more lonely than the average person, maybe necessarily so because he had no adequate company, and I think lonliness speaks more loudly in his writings than it perhaps should.
@@thedolphin5428 Nietzsche's whole philosophy is constructed in a way that every possible criticism of it can simply be dismissed by 'I guess this philosophy isn't for you'
@@jcavs9847 I did not say that philosophy per se, nor Nietzsche's particular philosophy was "not for you". I said/meant that the path of the Ubermensch (which I read as the spiritual search to become a superior man) is not for someone who fears or self projects loneliness upon its messenger. The ancient yogis state that only 1 in 1000 begins such a journey; and that only 1 in that thousand keep going through the trials and tribulations; and that only 1 in that thousand-thousand ever truly make it. That's *FIGURATIVELY* only one in a billion. It's THAT HARD for mind to FULLY transcend mind. Speaking from experience ... as a seeker for 40 years ... the actual issue as stated by the yogis AND Nietzsche, is not one of loneliness but one of rarity, yes, easily mistsken for loneliness. But the authentic seeker of spiritual wisdom finds no distress (nor insanity) in loneliness, as companionship is not a prerequisite for their fulfilment. In fact, it can be a hindrance to full self understanding. You see, Nietzsche never really cracked it. He was looking for higher understanding via the intellect, via rational philosophy ... like all the Western philosophers. But, as any Eastern seeker can tell you, intellect is not enough for self-realisation. Thus he went mad in his endless cul de sac of personal, psychological, philosophical failures. He needed a good Ubermensh guru. But intellect is always the realm of ego. Too busy trying to be profound, unique, an innovator, a genius, the founder of some new legacy paradigm/teachings. No room for surrender and learning from outside. Once you jump that hurdle, you are never alone.
@@jcavs9847 1. Not much of a reply 2. I did not even mention the word or concept of truth. We were discussing the concepts of Ubermensch and lonlinesss. 3. Nietzsche may have "rejected" some aspects of Western thinking but was still deeply trapped within that mode (= lip service). Rejection of A does not necessarily bring about realisation of B. It takes living the life of the goal and wiser guidance outside of one's own thought processes. Yes, he was by normal standards radical, but never attained/resolved his ideals IN REALITY. Anyway, I do have a great admiration for Nietzsche because he did break the mould of his field, but nevertheless, got stuck in his own limited models of thinking.
I recently started to study what happened in Germany between 1933 to 1945 and because nietzche is often mention within that context, am very much intrested in his ideas. This being the first time I'm expose his ideas I very much dislike them already. Other than his books, obviously, any books that explore his persona in a more "third person view"?
A very narrow view to only view him as a Provider of philosophy for the nationalsocialist Party as the things they extracted from his ideas relied heavily on Nitzsches Sisters ideology and doesnt represent much of his ideas.
@@Zurvanox I understand that. I am just intrested in the intersection between his philosophy and the facts of the matter that happened duri.g the period mentioned. And how it relates. I won't pretend to know his ideas a whole at all, but just merely some of their role and potential misrepresentation in relation to what happend.
The interview confirms my own impression of Nietzsche as a thinker who could not reconcile his passions and demons with the development of an even partially coherent philosophical system.
Who solved Nietzsche's morality puzzle? Who modeled the most authentic "morality" based on Nietzsche's critique? Who would have satisfied Nietzsche with the continuance of his work? It was Wilhelm Reich with his concept of Work Democracy and his "yah!" to love, work and knowledge. No greater thinkers than Nietzsche and Reich ever got to the core of the emotional plague as these two geniuses. Reich continued the genealogy in the exact direction that Nietzsche pointed it. Other philosopher's supported the struggle, but rationalized it in the end. Reich brought in into the body, raw emotion, energy!
I believe the National Socialists did indeed draw inspiration from Nietzsche in that they encouraged individuals to realise their full potential; also in the return to pre-Socratic Naturalism and reliance on instinct, aestheticism etc.- Nietzsche would have had a certain contiguity and not have found them quite as abhorrent as the Jewish J P Stern naturally does.
the professor is heavily copying lenny bruce, and I don't think it could be the other way around or coincidence to be wrong. But I love Lenny Bruce too and copy him sometimes. To improve my englishs eloquens... Dustin Hoffman's english is not so bad.
When science and spirit do converge, And myst'ries of the mind emerge, 'Tis then we see the grand design, Of consciousness that intertwine. To align with love and reduce strife, We must first work on our own life, And cultivate a sense of peace, Through mindfulness and self-release. As Campbell writes, we must employ, Techniques to bring us peace and joy, Like meditation, breathing deep, And letting go of thoughts we keep. For empathy can be a drain, And cause us stress and mental pain, So we must learn to take control, And focus on the positive whole. With gratitude and acts of grace, We can reframe our mental space, And see the world with open eyes, As one, connected, and divine. So let us strive to live each day, With kindness, love, and in our own way, For in this dance of life and death, We are but one, with every breath. Dedicated to tom campbell author of my big toe
Early impression: This seems so extraordinary and important to hear that it stuns me. I pause and fear carrying on else suffer the pains of realizing how wrong I have always been and yet, carry on I must. Dare I continue, or spit it out in an act of self directed cancel culture and continue through life ignorant and self defeated?
This at 'car pit' area. The more the merrier: Every Second moments. We have no failing at the speed we change. We come complex, less of and more of. So i am stuck and a warm cup of water should let my muscles rest. I watch clouds roll in from the Pacific Ocean. Its a short drive that way. Ive seen we do ingest the bubble of the world we live in. We differ the same facades. Its been good listening and hearing this. Very interesting and, nothing boring. It does lessen the friction between flattening together or fitting surfaces to align these agreements. I study. I don't do well feeling every lump along the way being turned right side out, the next time i reembody as a Pacific sort. ~Jenny
Poor Nietzsche scorned all pardon as a weakness & a bore; confessed he got a hard on watching armies off to war & scanned from battlements on high the beauty of pure force - to be at last delivered by a crippled dying horse! 😉
Yes, he did study Islam. He literally mentioned Islam in his book The Antichrist and he was familiar with the Sufi's concept of fakir and read Hafiz. He admired the Islam as a life-affirming religion. As for Judaism, absolutely, as he saw 'the Jews' as vital in the emergence of 'slave morality' and 'slave revolt' that influenced 'Christianity' particularly through the teachings of Paul the Tarsus.
My four favorite Nietzsche quotes. 1. Ein Volk, das sich seiner Gefahren bewußt wird, erzeugt den Genius. 2. Unüberwindlich ist der, der das Notwendige will. 3. Das Paradies liegt im Schatten der Schwerter. 4. Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker.
Ces personnages éminents oublient de s'attarder suffisamment sur le point de départ de toute la pensée nietschéenne, soit la mort de Dieu. En ôtant à la pensée et le langage son référent ultime , Nietsche a privé ces derniers de tout espoir d'arriver un jour à une quelconque vérité absolue, voire de donner un sens réel à nos concepts. Si nous suivons Nietsche, nous marcherons sur des sables mouvants. Il n'y a là que ruine en perspective.
Nietzsche was a brilliant classicist, got promoted to full professor much too soon by some over-zealous German academics, had the inevitable nervous breakdown and began frantic writing as a means to retaining his sanity. Personally, I don't think he had syphillis. I think he just finally collapsed under the weight of his own failure to live up to the standards that he laid down for himself, impossible standards for anyone to live up to. The professor's point about Nietzsche's style suggests as much: mixing metaphor and concept. Since a metaphor is literally a lie, all it does to a concept is muddle it. Its like saying, 1 + 1 = 2, but, really, its not. Postmodernists like Derrida often admire Nietzsche for his awareness of the self-reflective nature of language. But they forget that in Nietzsche's own time, Max Nordau saw a pre-occupation with language for its own sake as a sign of degeneration and a mentally-defective personality. One great example of a complete headbanger who was obsessed with the nature of language itself was that Austrian Ludwig Wittgenstein.
My friend, if you really believe that then you don't know Nietzsche one little bit. His early writings are anything but frantic and if any measure of franticness can be traced in his later writings it should be attributed to the growing concern he had that his life would end before he managed to express all he had to say. He writes very soberly about his premature appointment and acknowledges himself that is was indeed too early - but his ambitions far exceeded success in academia. His teaching position was always temporary and he said as much. He was destined for greatness and he achieved it in a degree of philosophical courage the likes of which haven't been seen on earth for thousands of years. Who knows why he went insane - but even if we grant that it had something to do with mental instability as opposed to some physiological disease, then perhaps that is the price one must pay for a life lived at such heights as his. Perhaps Nietzsche collasped under the weight of his own burdens but at least he had the courage to walk his own path and fight his own fights. All great warriors secretly wish to die on the battlefield.
@@jackbicknell4711 I going to read most of what they write if i can in the last few months. After from Marx the other two are familiar to me, especially Nietzsche. In beginning he speaks about influence opf philosophy.
@@jackbicknell4711 I didn't know that I put them together under "influencial and then modern" or "modern and then influencial". I just want Nietzsche and Marxism( this is because whem Nietzsche is spoken about, especially if I can refer to "Schopenhauer as educator" then that gives enough room to refer to. Schopenhauer). I didn't know they were considered opposites but I sow common elements between them in such qualities as "being modern" and "atheism", etc. I have to begin reading Marx. I now Nietzsche waht Nietzsche said about Communists in general i.e he didn't like them, he qualifies them as "envious" and usea the metaphor "tarantula". I'm going to look for the part in TSZ( Thus Spoke Zarathustra) and then I'll qoute it here if I can..but Mrax I haven't a clue..who or what he wrote. I have to begin at the beginning
@@jackbicknell4711 it's the chapter tarantula "In the clearest parable he teaches us that there is still struggle and dissimilarity in beauty, and war for power and superiority. How divinely vaults and arches break here, in the wrestling match: how with light and shadow they strive against each other, the divinely striving- So sure and fair let's be enemies too, my friends! Divinely we want to strive against one another!- woe! Then the tarantula bit me, my old enemy! Divinely safe and beautiful she bit my finger! "There must be punishment and justice-that's what she thinks: it's not for nothing that he should sing songs here in honor of the enmity!" Yes, she took revenge! And woe! now with revenge she will also make my soul whirl! But that I do n't turn, my friends, binds me firmly here to this pillar! I would rather be a pillar saint than a whirlwind of revenge! Truly, Zarathustra is not a turning and whirlwind; and if he is a dancer, never again a tarantula dancer!- Thus spoke zarathustra." "Von den Taranteln Siehe, das ist der Tarantel Höhle! Willst du sie selber sehn? Hier hängt ihr Netz: rühre daran, dass es erzittert. Da kommt sie willig: willkommen, Tarantel! Schwarz sitzt auf deinem Rücken dein Dreieck und Wahrzeichen; und ich weiss auch, was in deiner Seele sitzt. Rache sitzt in deiner Seele: wohin du beissest, da wächst schwarzer Schorf; mit Rache macht dein Gift die Seele drehend! Also rede ich zu euch im Gleichniss, die ihr die Seelen drehend macht, ihr Prediger der Gleichheit! Taranteln seid ihr mir und versteckte Rachsüchtige! Aber ich will eure Verstecke schon an’s Licht bringen: darum lache ich euch in’s Antlitz mein Gelächter der Höhe. Darum reisse ich an eurem Netze, dass eure Wuth euch aus eurer Lügen-Höhle locke, und eure Rache hervorspringe hinter eurem Wort „Gerechtigkeit.“ Denn dass der Mensch erlöst werde von der Rache: das ist mir die Brücke zur höchsten Hoffnung und ein Regenbogen nach langen Unwettern. Aber anders wollen es freilich die Taranteln. „Das gerade heisse uns Gerechtigkeit, dass die Welt voll werde von den Unwettern unsrer Rache“ -also reden sie mit einander. „Rache wollen wir üben und Beschimpfung an Allen, die uns nicht gleich sind“-so geloben sich die Tarantel-Herzen. „Und „Wille zur Gleichheit“-das selber soll fürderhin der Name für Tugend werden; und gegen Alles, was Macht hat, wollen wir unser Geschrei erheben!“ Ihr Prediger der Gleichheit, der Tyrannen-Wahnsinn der Ohnmacht schreit also aus euch nach „Gleichheit“: eure heimlichsten Tyrannen-Gelüste vermummen sich also in Tugend-Worte! Vergrämter Dünkel, verhaltener Neid, vielleicht eurer Väter Dünkel und Neid: aus euch bricht’s als Flamme heraus und Wahnsinn der Rache. Was der Vater schwieg, das kommt im Sohne zum Reden; und oft fand ich den Sohn als des Vaters entblösstes Geheimniss. Den Begeisterten gleichen sie: aber nicht das Herz ist es, was sie begeistert, -sondern die Rache. Und wenn sie fein und kalt werden, ist’s nicht der Geist, sondern der Neid, der sie fein und kalt macht. Ihre Eifersucht führt sie auch auf der Denker Pfade; und diess ist das Merkmal ihrer Eifersucht-immer gehn sie zu weit: dass ihre Müdigkeit sich zuletzt noch auf Schnee schlafen legen muss. Aus jeder ihrer Klagen tönt Rache, in jedem ihrer Lobsprüche ist ein Wehethun; und Richter-sein scheint ihnen Seligkeit. Also aber rathe ich euch, meine Freunde: misstraut Allen, in welchen der Trieb, zu strafen, mächtig ist! Das ist Volk schlechter Art und Abkunft; aus ihren Gesichtern blickt der Henker und der Spürhund. Misstraut allen Denen, die viel von ihrer Gerechtigkeit reden! Wahrlich, ihren Seelen fehlt es nicht nur an Honig. Und wenn sie sich selber „die Guten und Gerechten“ nennen, so vergesst nicht, dass ihnen zum Pharisäer Nichts fehlt als-Macht! Meine Freunde, ich will nicht vermischt und verwechselt werden. Es giebt Solche, die predigen meine Lehre vom Leben: und zugleich sind sie Prediger der Gleichheit und Taranteln. Dass sie dem Leben zu Willen reden, ob sie gleich in ihrer Höhle sitzen, diese Gift-Spinnen, und abgekehrt vom Leben: das macht, sie wollen damit wehethun. Solchen wollen sie damit wehethun, die jetzt die Macht haben: denn bei diesen ist noch die Predigt vom Tode am besten zu Hause. Wäre es anders, so würden die Taranteln anders lehren: und gerade sie waren ehemals die besten Welt-Verleumder und Ketzer-Brenner. Mit diesen Predigern der Gleichheit will ich nicht vermischt und verwechselt sein. Denn so redet mir die Gerechtigkeit: „die Menschen sind nicht gleich.“ Und sie sollen es auch nicht werden! Was wäre denn meine Liebe zum Übermenschen, wenn ich anders spräche? Auf tausend Brücken und Stegen sollen sie sich drängen zur Zukunft, und immer mehr Krieg und Ungleichheit soll zwischen sie gesetzt sein: so lässt mich meine grosse Liebe reden! Erfinder von Bildern und Gespenstern sollen sie werden in ihren Feindschaften, und mit ihren Bildern und Gespenstern sollen sie noch gegeneinander den höchsten Kampf kämpfen! Gut und Böse, und Reich und Arm, und Hoch und Gering, und alle Namen der Werthe: Waffen sollen es sein und klirrende Merkmale davon, dass das Leben sich immer wieder selber überwinden muss! In die Höhe will es sich bauen mit Pfeilern und Stufen, das Leben selber: in weite Fernen will es blicken und hinaus nach seligen Schönheiten,-darum braucht es Höhe! Und weil es Höhe braucht, braucht es Stufen und Widerspruch der Stufen und Steigenden! Steigen will das Leben und steigend sich überwinden. Und seht mir doch, meine Freunde! Hier, wo der Tarantel Höhle ist, heben sich eines alten Tempels Trümmer aufwärts,-seht mir doch mit erleuchteten Augen hin! Wahrlich, wer hier einst seine Gedanken in Stein nach Oben thürmte, um das Geheimniss alles Lebens wusste er gleich dem Weisesten! Dass Kampf und Ungleiches auch noch in der Schönheit sei und Krieg um Macht und Übermacht: das lehrt er uns hier im deutlichsten Gleichniss. Wie sich göttlich hier Gewölbe und Bogen brechen, im Ringkampfe: wie mit Licht und Schatten sie wider einander streben, die göttlich-Strebenden- Also sicher und schön lasst uns auch Feinde sein, meine Freunde! Göttlich wollen wir wider einander streben!- Wehe! Da biss mich selber die Tarantel, meine alte Feindin! Göttlich sicher und schön biss sie mich in den Finger! „Strafe muss sein und Gerechtigkeit-so denkt sie: nicht umsonst soll er hier der Feindschaft zu Ehren Lieder singen!“ Ja, sie hat sich gerächt! Und wehe! nun wird sie mit Rache auch noch meine Seele drehend machen! Dass ich mich aber nicht drehe, meine Freunde, bindet mich fest hier an diese Säule! Lieber noch Säulen-Heiliger will ich sein, als Wirbel der Rachsucht! Wahrlich, kein Dreh- und Wirbelwind ist Zarathustra; und wenn er ein Tänzer ist, nimmermehr doch ein Tarantel-Tänzer!- Also sprach Zarathustra"
What about the pull and push of hebraism vs. hedonism that was so consuming in the work of Nietzsche. His following of the hedonistic Greek God of wine (animalistic pleasures) or master morality and yet constantly trying to suppress and deny his very acceptable “human” desires in the name of Superman ( Jesus).
I quite like Nietzsche. It is astonishing as to how radical he is. His philosophy is essentially obsessed with the heroic and the inequality that comes with it. His theory of the development of morality is terrific. He placed attacks on Christianity and the soft anti-Semitism of German conservatives because they weren’t radical enough and they ignored the roots of the problems.
The outside source is ego. Nietzsche is a Vedic in the wrong time or surrounded by the wrong external language or western understanding. A wise mind living in the wrong side of the planet. The ignorant west.
Nietzsche lived a miserable and pathetic life. He failed to live up to his philosophy. He was lonely, sickly and full of resentment against women for ignoring him. He is what today we would call an ‘incel’.
Such high-calibre conversation. Thank you for uploading
Take a shot every time J.P. Sten says ‘yes’
There isn't enough alcohol in the world.
Lagging
Yes!
if you are talking about gun, that would lead to another holocaust.
The word "No" should be avoided
Can we possibly even imagine the BBC doing anything like this, these days?
What a gem
BBC would push pseudo concepts of White Privilege and CRT.
I know, right? The very best we could expect now is a celebrity interviewing University Professors in 60 second segments of basic summaries interspersed with other fatuous celebrities.
masses have changed.
Nietzsche was a junior comparing trans- everything philosophy of modern days. Even Zarathustra is ashamed.
But, there is a Judgement day!
Brilliant discussion between two learned gentlemen 👌🏻!
Great discussion, very helpful.
Quality upload
This is excellent. Thank you for posting.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for posting. A real pleasure to hear such a lucid interpretation of Nietzsche's thought and style from JP Stern.
Thank you once again for the top quality content. This seems to be an 'eternal recurrence!'
Thankyou you very much Professor Stern and Professor Magee.....
Very helpful. Thank you
Amazing Discussion and insights..
Nectar to the ears & mind
Ive been a long fan of Philosophy Overdose, thanks for this.
This really is so good to listen to.
Danke Bryan Magee
People who speak so eloquently are either a blessing or dangerous because they make everything they say sound correct
I get out of that dilemma by remembering something Buddha said: "Never believe anything just because somebody said it" 🙂
Absolutely
Maybe everything is, and we would notice if it weren't. Anyway, what's "correct" is often based on one's view.
jay now even more so with the withering of so many post-modern souls replaced with the dominance of empty civility and technocratic and bureaucratic deadspeach.
There is nothing quite so noble as erudite folk openly, generously, and inquisitively churning through big ideas.
Nothing more noble than two blokes discussing ideas? Are you sure?
@@jackbicknell4711 I’m certain. Of course I have to allow for nitwits who misapprehend the primacy of thought and consciousness. But of course it’s not in my nature to cleanse the unwashed.
@@rickpandolfi7860 hahahaha
I once had the joy of meeting Bryan Magee, and even in old age he was tremendous fun
One of my great wishes, after reading his Condessions of a Philosopher in 1997, was to have had even just an hour with him.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Cannot unhear it.
Why is tv not like this. The color I like
No we cant even imagine this kind of discussion...imagine Netflix and all the Royals kind of bullshit...
love you !!!!! more
The eternal recurrence which is the one metaphysical point is his whole philosophy one might say, is taken 99 out of 100 scenarios by laugh or disregard. But in that one case when you actually get it and seems real, it just brighten up his whole philosophy in your head and spirit.
Eternal recurrence? I'm just starting to delve into philosophy
@@dl2415 listen to the episode. It's an idea that the history repeats itself infinitely in a cycle. So we have already had this chat a million times a and we'll have it another million times. If we're condemned into the eternal repetition of things, we'd better act according to the highest morals, like a hero would do. (I haven't read Nietzsche, that's my interpretation taken from the video)
It is certainly an important lens to view his other writings in. Especially his notion of Amor Fati. It explains his conviction clearly.
But it’s rooted in physics, and highly-likely mistaken by today’s science. The universe is expanding and accelerating. So atoms aren’t just “rearranging” infinitely as he supposed. The heat death of the universe is more likely. Still good food for thought though
En canal 13 de Chile había un programa que se llamaba:"La Belleza de Pensar" this program remind me that
Nietzsche is perhaps by a country mile the best writer of philosophy. His books are so entertaining.
But not true. Reincarnation is.
Fully agreed bro. I started with Nietzsche and then tried Kant/Hume/Plato and they were terribly dry... Back into Nietzsche and I'd forgotten how superbly he wrote
Top. 🌹
..yes..
My oh my. Thus spoke Professor Stern. What I wouldn't have given to have had access to this dialogue back when I was studying Nietzsche. It would have saved me a lot of time trying to keep my moral compass on a righteous course, while avoiding the ever present Abyss that is woven throughout our Cosmic Drama.
can you tell more about what happened to your moral compass, I had a similar experience
poetic ending too “avoiding the ever present abyss that is woven throughout our cosmic drama” 🤙
yes, this: It would have saved me a lot of time trying to keep my moral compass on a righteous course, while avoiding the ever present Abyss that is woven throughout our Cosmic Drama. LOL
@@glassarthouse are your compasses all pointing tge same way
I wonder if your compass has some direction etched on it, or whether you yearn for a direction that is not present on the current map.
Am 60 now. As a 19
You could say that if the weak join together to confront the “great man”, they are showing strength. It can take courage to act together against someone who is, on a one-to-one basis, stronger than you
That is the opposite of courage, ganging up on someone is what you’re describing and it’s the antithesis of courageous action
@@arronshaw5358 The individual gang members must have the courage not to split. It’s very easy for a crowd to be dispersed if they don’t have both courage and trust in each other. Even the strong form gangs
Are you listening to what you’re saying? It takes strength and courage to go something alone, not to stay with a group. The group provides security whereas the individual must provide their own. Courage not to split? Why would they it is fear and weakness that keeps them together as you say they would lose on a one to one basis, so it’s fear that keeps them together perusing the goal as a group rather than strength or courage.
@@kennethmarshall306 p.s. I did not mean that to come across as rude, I’m just a little shocked by this assertion. Appreciate you taking the time to respond
If the gang is the underdog, perhaps a small movement trying to overthrow a tyrannical government, then everything the OP has said is true
It would take enormous courage to overwhelm an amoral and savage dictatorship
Why isn't this a show on public television?
I mean, it's already been produced and recorded.
yes....yes...yes
My hero
Magee, Stern or Nietschze?
on a side note: Magees glasses and olive green socks are awesome, all too awesome, and Sterns zebra shirt is beyond cool and savile (row)
Men of that era have balls of steel to go against the norm of their society.
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I am convinced , apart from his early work, the most famous works of Nietzsche reflect his increasing mental instability. There are some great insights, but overall there is something unsettled about these works. Bryan Magee admires Nietzsche's writing style, but sometimes it comes across as bombastic.
Maybe that's part of what Magee liked!
At 8:28. "A law unto himself" is agreed to be an accurate summation of Neitzsche.
Interesting that the notoriously depraved occultist Allister Crowley summarized his entire ethos with a very similar conclusion
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
Perhaps Crowley was influenced by Neitchze at some point as both utterly despised Christianity.
Little known is that Nietzsche influenced Kahlil Gibran who wrote The Prophet as a kind of soft Thus Spake Zarathustra.
That's you that is.
If you know you know.
“Yes,”
Yes. Yes.
Well, Nietzsche did want to be a 'Yes-sayer' to life.
@@thewrathematician1911 And he failed miserably.
Gem
their dialogues are just awesome
Nietzsche ended his philosophical life in an act of supreme compassion when he embraced a horse being brutally whipped by its master. He shielded the horse from the blows and collapsed on the floor weeping. It would have been interesting if he had not lost his mind. His philosophy might have re-evaluated his views on compassion and pity.
It's more about the Tree🎄of a Good 🌞Life more than the burning, yearning,Tree of Knowledge, evil in it's near destruction!
37:59 and 4:12 Great sense of humor
Nietzsche almost certainly did not have tertiary syphilis but rather cerebral autosomal dominant arteriopathy with subcortical infarcts and leukoencephalopathy (CADASIL). That's a mouthful, but the key word is _autosomal,_ which means on non-sex chromosomes. Another sibling had an attenuated form, and his father died young because of it. Frances Golfing charmingly called it _softening of the brain._
Nietzsche didn't get laid much, which is ironic, because his work helped me get laid rather a lot.
Also, Nietzsche objected to _pity_ rather than _compassion._ Both he and Zarathustra were deeply compassionate but not pitying. Every time I say this, a bunch of people accuse me of making up the distinction, but I do not see value in talking to people too stupid to Google, which is rather Nietzschean.
elan vital should be noted is the philosophy of Henri Bergson
The moral and ethical attitudes to what is “good” have come about through our evolution with the natural ego and selfishness or, on the other hand just as natural altruism and empathy are perpetually in conflict, if altruism and empathy didn’t win we would not have survived as a species to what we are today. The Ancient Greek philosophers and religious beliefs would attribute these to higher ideals or “gods”, nonetheless they exist and we now understand more about their origins. I admire and try to follow the stoically and Epicurus who give us practical philosophical ways to live our lives, as long as we don’t grow complacent and not stand up for the really valuable things we all cherish. Great discussion, must admit I am not an academic it appreciate as a layman deep discussions like this.
Yes...yes......yes......no......no........yes.......yes......yes, indeed.
Horizontal stripes or diagonal stripes?
It's clear, right?
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yes! yes yes yes yes the man said yes 10/minute
The best way to cut someone short!
Values are imposed to some extent upon man by the conditions of life. Of course, man has free-will -- something that theists have never denied -- so, we can value or dis-value whatever we please. But to say we create values is absurd romanticism. Courage, beauty, and health, for example, are not directly created by us, they are natural values that come with simply being alive in this world. He who chooses cowardice over courage, ugliness over beauty, or disease over health, or anyone who is indifferent to such natural values as courage, beauty, and health necessarily dis-values life. But this willful ignorance is not a creation of new values, instead it is a suicidal rejection of the true and natural ground for all values itself.
839 times he said yes
Yes
'the great and nobel people'...hidden hand no doubt!
Moral relativism anyone
Nietzsche was a dangerous hysteric during a more primitive time when the benighted people of late medieval Europe would listen to any lunatic shouting laud enough.
I think goodness that I was born into the start of the internet age that has finally nailed the coffin of religious medievalism shut.
It's great, when you go put forth a proposition that you do not totally agree with, but listen to, now you can't do that, cancelled.
Mavbe one important moral idea was not mentioned - amor fati
probably not syphilis
Rejected gods law s he must come up with different laws ,he spent his lyfe kicking the pricks.
Am I the only one who finds Nietzsche hard to read.? Not sure if it is due to quality of translation.
A superb elucidation of a more than adequate outline of my hero's thinking.
@@c.a.9167 . Auf Deutsch. Der selbsich Wöterbuch als Nietzsche!
@@c.a.9167 Love the ludicrous Lili Reinhart vid! Pure americana
@@c.a.9167 . Why should I be interested in judging you or your character? I haven't lived in America for years!
Nietzsche was brilliant but there is one problem: he was more lonely than the average person, maybe necessarily so because he had no adequate company, and I think lonliness speaks more loudly in his writings than it perhaps should.
Did he not say that the path of the Ubermensch is a lonely one. Obviously not for you.
@@thedolphin5428 Nietzsche's whole philosophy is constructed in a way that every possible criticism of it can simply be dismissed by 'I guess this philosophy isn't for you'
@@jcavs9847
I did not say that philosophy per se, nor Nietzsche's particular philosophy was "not for you". I said/meant that the path of the Ubermensch (which I read as the spiritual search to become a superior man) is not for someone who fears or self projects loneliness upon its messenger.
The ancient yogis state that only 1 in 1000 begins such a journey; and that only 1 in that thousand keep going through the trials and tribulations; and that only 1 in that thousand-thousand ever truly make it. That's *FIGURATIVELY* only one in a billion. It's THAT HARD for mind to FULLY transcend mind.
Speaking from experience ... as a seeker for 40 years ... the actual issue as stated by the yogis AND Nietzsche, is not one of loneliness but one of rarity, yes, easily mistsken for loneliness. But the authentic seeker of spiritual wisdom finds no distress (nor insanity) in loneliness, as companionship is not a prerequisite for their fulfilment. In fact, it can be a hindrance to full self understanding.
You see, Nietzsche never really cracked it. He was looking for higher understanding via the intellect, via rational philosophy ... like all the Western philosophers. But, as any Eastern seeker can tell you, intellect is not enough for self-realisation. Thus he went mad in his endless cul de sac of personal, psychological, philosophical failures.
He needed a good Ubermensh guru. But intellect is always the realm of ego. Too busy trying to be profound, unique, an innovator, a genius, the founder of some new legacy paradigm/teachings. No room for surrender and learning from outside. Once you jump that hurdle, you are never alone.
@@thedolphin5428 That's wrong, Nietzsche rejected the (as you describe it) "western" notions of: rationality, reason and even *truth* itself
@@jcavs9847
1. Not much of a reply
2. I did not even mention the word or concept of truth. We were discussing the concepts of Ubermensch and lonlinesss.
3. Nietzsche may have "rejected" some aspects of Western thinking but was still deeply trapped within that mode (= lip service). Rejection of A does not necessarily bring about realisation of B. It takes living the life of the goal and wiser guidance outside of one's own thought processes. Yes, he was by normal standards radical, but never attained/resolved his ideals IN REALITY.
Anyway, I do have a great admiration for Nietzsche because he did break the mould of his field, but nevertheless, got stuck in his own limited models of thinking.
yes, yes, yes, oh no again, yes...
I recently started to study what happened in Germany between 1933 to 1945 and because nietzche is often mention within that context, am very much intrested in his ideas.
This being the first time I'm expose his ideas I very much dislike them already.
Other than his books, obviously, any books that explore his persona in a more "third person view"?
R J Hollingdale
A very narrow view to only view him as a Provider of philosophy for the nationalsocialist Party as the things they extracted from his ideas relied heavily on Nitzsches Sisters ideology and doesnt represent much of his ideas.
Check out ‘I Am Dynamite!’ by Sue Prideaux. Pretty enjoyable book. Also, the novel ‘When Nietzsche Wept’ by Irvin Yalom.
@@Zurvanox
I understand that.
I am just intrested in the intersection between his philosophy and the facts of the matter that happened duri.g the period mentioned.
And how it relates.
I won't pretend to know his ideas a whole at all, but just merely some of their role and potential misrepresentation in relation to what happend.
No God No Self No Soul. Buddhism nails it. Read up on the 8 noble path to Enlightenment. This will give you direction and guidance.
The interview confirms my own impression of Nietzsche as a thinker who could not reconcile his passions and demons with the development of an even partially coherent philosophical system.
Nietzsche is aware of that and isn't trying to develop a 'coherent philosophical system'
Pity they do not mention the influence of Max Stirner on Nietzsche
Also that Nietzsche was very against antisemitism
Who solved Nietzsche's morality puzzle? Who modeled the most authentic "morality" based on Nietzsche's critique? Who would have satisfied Nietzsche with the continuance of his work? It was Wilhelm Reich with his concept of Work Democracy and his "yah!" to love, work and knowledge. No greater thinkers than Nietzsche and Reich ever got to the core of the emotional plague as these two geniuses. Reich continued the genealogy in the exact direction that Nietzsche pointed it. Other philosopher's supported the struggle, but rationalized it in the end. Reich brought in into the body, raw emotion, energy!
I believe the National Socialists did indeed draw inspiration from Nietzsche in that they encouraged individuals to realise their full potential; also in the return to pre-Socratic Naturalism and reliance on instinct, aestheticism etc.- Nietzsche would have had a certain contiguity and not have found them quite as abhorrent as the Jewish J P Stern naturally does.
Oh this Stern guy is Jewish. No wonder I felt like he was purposely misreading Nietzsche. Im sorry but Nietzsche is absolutely a precursor to Hitler.
About evil : Satan asked me if i could judge him. What would you have answered ?
That he was evil? Unless he would punish me, otherwise I'd flatter him.
Fame eluded his desire, though succumb to his insanity😢
the professor is heavily copying lenny bruce, and I don't think it could be the other way around or coincidence to be wrong. But I love Lenny Bruce too and copy him sometimes. To improve my englishs eloquens... Dustin Hoffman's english is not so bad.
When science and spirit do converge,
And myst'ries of the mind emerge,
'Tis then we see the grand design,
Of consciousness that intertwine.
To align with love and reduce strife,
We must first work on our own life,
And cultivate a sense of peace,
Through mindfulness and self-release.
As Campbell writes, we must employ,
Techniques to bring us peace and joy,
Like meditation, breathing deep,
And letting go of thoughts we keep.
For empathy can be a drain,
And cause us stress and mental pain,
So we must learn to take control,
And focus on the positive whole.
With gratitude and acts of grace,
We can reframe our mental space,
And see the world with open eyes,
As one, connected, and divine.
So let us strive to live each day,
With kindness, love, and in our own way,
For in this dance of life and death,
We are but one, with every breath.
Dedicated to tom campbell author of my big toe
Early impression: This seems so extraordinary and important to hear that it stuns me. I pause and fear carrying on else suffer the pains of realizing how wrong I have always been and yet, carry on I must. Dare I continue, or spit it out in an act of self directed cancel culture and continue through life ignorant and self defeated?
Continue
This at 'car pit' area. The more the merrier:
Every Second moments. We have no failing at the speed we change. We come complex, less of and more of. So i am stuck and a warm cup of water should let my muscles rest.
I watch clouds roll in from the Pacific Ocean. Its a short drive that way. Ive seen we do ingest the bubble of the world we live in. We differ the same facades.
Its been good listening and hearing this. Very interesting and, nothing boring.
It does lessen the friction between flattening together or fitting surfaces to align these agreements.
I study. I don't do well feeling every lump along the way being turned right side out, the next time i reembody as a Pacific sort.
~Jenny
The man died lonely and depressed.
Many of us will.
Wasn't TV great then! 🌈🦉
Poor Nietzsche scorned all pardon as a weakness & a bore;
confessed he got a hard on watching armies off to war
& scanned from battlements on high the beauty of pure force -
to be at last delivered by a crippled dying horse!
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Darwin v. Christ?
"Civilisation overcame barbarism..." When was that?
@@geoffreynhill2833 Good one... depending on which way we look.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
Did Netsh...studied islam Judaism ...?what speakers views about Judaism and Islam
Yes, he did study Islam. He literally mentioned Islam in his book The Antichrist and he was familiar with the Sufi's concept of fakir and read Hafiz. He admired the Islam as a life-affirming religion. As for Judaism, absolutely, as he saw 'the Jews' as vital in the emergence of 'slave morality' and 'slave revolt' that influenced 'Christianity' particularly through the teachings of Paul the Tarsus.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes...
The left would be trigger by the very mention of his name. The woke left would cried out fascist, n Nietzsche would retort “GUILTY” touché.😅
My four favorite Nietzsche quotes. 1. Ein Volk, das sich seiner Gefahren bewußt wird, erzeugt den Genius. 2. Unüberwindlich ist der, der das Notwendige will. 3. Das Paradies liegt im Schatten der Schwerter. 4. Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker.
18:07 What we now call woke does the exact same thing as he says the facists thought of.
Seems to me that both of them are superior to Nietzsche.
Ces personnages éminents oublient de s'attarder suffisamment sur le point de départ de toute la pensée nietschéenne, soit la mort de Dieu. En ôtant à la pensée et le langage son référent ultime , Nietsche a privé ces derniers de tout espoir d'arriver un jour à une quelconque vérité absolue, voire de donner un sens réel à nos concepts. Si nous suivons Nietsche, nous marcherons sur des sables mouvants. Il n'y a là que ruine en perspective.
Nietzsche was a brilliant classicist, got promoted to full professor much too soon by some over-zealous German academics, had the inevitable nervous breakdown and began frantic writing as a means to retaining his sanity. Personally, I don't think he had syphillis. I think he just finally collapsed under the weight of his own failure to live up to the standards that he laid down for himself, impossible standards for anyone to live up to. The professor's point about Nietzsche's style suggests as much: mixing metaphor and concept. Since a metaphor is literally a lie, all it does to a concept is muddle it. Its like saying, 1 + 1 = 2, but, really, its not. Postmodernists like Derrida often admire Nietzsche for his awareness of the self-reflective nature of language. But they forget that in Nietzsche's own time, Max Nordau saw a pre-occupation with language for its own sake as a sign of degeneration and a mentally-defective personality. One great example of a complete headbanger who was obsessed with the nature of language itself was that Austrian Ludwig Wittgenstein.
My friend, if you really believe that then you don't know Nietzsche one little bit. His early writings are anything but frantic and if any measure of franticness can be traced in his later writings it should be attributed to the growing concern he had that his life would end before he managed to express all he had to say. He writes very soberly about his premature appointment and acknowledges himself that is was indeed too early - but his ambitions far exceeded success in academia. His teaching position was always temporary and he said as much. He was destined for greatness and he achieved it in a degree of philosophical courage the likes of which haven't been seen on earth for thousands of years. Who knows why he went insane - but even if we grant that it had something to do with mental instability as opposed to some physiological disease, then perhaps that is the price one must pay for a life lived at such heights as his. Perhaps Nietzsche collasped under the weight of his own burdens but at least he had the courage to walk his own path and fight his own fights. All great warriors secretly wish to die on the battlefield.
What did I just read. He didn't write after his episode. Everything was written before. For fucks sake.
Andrew Tate appears to have read Nietsche.
Ubermensch is the middle point between the human and the Beast...if I didn't invent that phrase, who else can achieve it...mi ingles!
Marx
Nietzsche
Schopenhauer
What about them?
@@jackbicknell4711 I going to read most of what they write if i can in the last few months. After from Marx the other two are familiar to me, especially Nietzsche. In beginning he speaks about influence opf philosophy.
@@jackdarby2168 Nietzsche and Marx+schopenhauer are opposites you know?
@@jackbicknell4711 I didn't know that I put them together under "influencial and then modern" or "modern and then influencial".
I just want Nietzsche and Marxism( this is because whem Nietzsche is spoken about, especially if I can refer to "Schopenhauer as educator" then that gives enough room to refer to. Schopenhauer).
I didn't know they were considered opposites but I sow common elements between them in such qualities as "being modern" and "atheism", etc. I have to begin reading Marx. I now Nietzsche waht Nietzsche said about Communists in general i.e he didn't like them, he qualifies them as "envious" and usea the metaphor "tarantula". I'm going to look for the part in TSZ( Thus Spoke Zarathustra) and then I'll qoute it here if I can..but Mrax I haven't a clue..who or what he wrote. I have to begin at the beginning
@@jackbicknell4711 it's the chapter tarantula
"In the clearest parable he teaches us that there is still struggle and dissimilarity in beauty, and war for power and superiority.
How divinely vaults and arches break here, in the wrestling match: how with light and shadow they strive against each other, the divinely striving-
So sure and fair let's be enemies too, my friends! Divinely we want to strive against one another!-
woe! Then the tarantula bit me, my old enemy! Divinely safe and beautiful she bit my finger!
"There must be punishment and justice-that's what she thinks: it's not for nothing that he should sing songs here in honor of the enmity!"
Yes, she took revenge! And woe! now with revenge she will also make my soul whirl!
But that I do n't turn, my friends, binds me firmly here to this pillar! I would rather be a pillar saint than a whirlwind of revenge!
Truly, Zarathustra is not a turning and whirlwind; and if he is a dancer, never again a tarantula dancer!-
Thus spoke zarathustra."
"Von den Taranteln
Siehe, das ist der Tarantel Höhle! Willst du sie selber sehn? Hier hängt ihr Netz: rühre daran, dass es erzittert.
Da kommt sie willig: willkommen, Tarantel! Schwarz sitzt auf deinem Rücken dein Dreieck und Wahrzeichen; und ich weiss auch, was in deiner Seele sitzt.
Rache sitzt in deiner Seele: wohin du beissest, da wächst schwarzer Schorf; mit Rache macht dein Gift die Seele drehend!
Also rede ich zu euch im Gleichniss, die ihr die Seelen drehend macht, ihr Prediger der Gleichheit! Taranteln seid ihr mir und versteckte Rachsüchtige!
Aber ich will eure Verstecke schon an’s Licht bringen: darum lache ich euch in’s Antlitz mein Gelächter der Höhe.
Darum reisse ich an eurem Netze, dass eure Wuth euch aus eurer Lügen-Höhle locke, und eure Rache hervorspringe hinter eurem Wort „Gerechtigkeit.“
Denn dass der Mensch erlöst werde von der Rache: das ist mir die Brücke zur höchsten Hoffnung und ein Regenbogen nach langen Unwettern.
Aber anders wollen es freilich die Taranteln. „Das gerade heisse uns Gerechtigkeit, dass die Welt voll werde von den Unwettern unsrer Rache“ -also reden sie mit einander.
„Rache wollen wir üben und Beschimpfung an Allen, die uns nicht gleich sind“-so geloben sich die Tarantel-Herzen.
„Und „Wille zur Gleichheit“-das selber soll fürderhin der Name für Tugend werden; und gegen Alles, was Macht hat, wollen wir unser Geschrei erheben!“
Ihr Prediger der Gleichheit, der Tyrannen-Wahnsinn der Ohnmacht schreit also aus euch nach „Gleichheit“: eure heimlichsten Tyrannen-Gelüste vermummen sich also in Tugend-Worte!
Vergrämter Dünkel, verhaltener Neid, vielleicht eurer Väter Dünkel und Neid: aus euch bricht’s als Flamme heraus und Wahnsinn der Rache.
Was der Vater schwieg, das kommt im Sohne zum Reden; und oft fand ich den Sohn als des Vaters entblösstes Geheimniss.
Den Begeisterten gleichen sie: aber nicht das Herz ist es, was sie begeistert, -sondern die Rache. Und wenn sie fein und kalt werden, ist’s nicht der Geist, sondern der Neid, der sie fein und kalt macht.
Ihre Eifersucht führt sie auch auf der Denker Pfade; und diess ist das Merkmal ihrer Eifersucht-immer gehn sie zu weit: dass ihre Müdigkeit sich zuletzt noch auf Schnee schlafen legen muss.
Aus jeder ihrer Klagen tönt Rache, in jedem ihrer Lobsprüche ist ein Wehethun; und Richter-sein scheint ihnen Seligkeit.
Also aber rathe ich euch, meine Freunde: misstraut Allen, in welchen der Trieb, zu strafen, mächtig ist!
Das ist Volk schlechter Art und Abkunft; aus ihren Gesichtern blickt der Henker und der Spürhund.
Misstraut allen Denen, die viel von ihrer Gerechtigkeit reden! Wahrlich, ihren Seelen fehlt es nicht nur an Honig.
Und wenn sie sich selber „die Guten und Gerechten“ nennen, so vergesst nicht, dass ihnen zum Pharisäer Nichts fehlt als-Macht!
Meine Freunde, ich will nicht vermischt und verwechselt werden.
Es giebt Solche, die predigen meine Lehre vom Leben: und zugleich sind sie Prediger der Gleichheit und Taranteln.
Dass sie dem Leben zu Willen reden, ob sie gleich in ihrer Höhle sitzen, diese Gift-Spinnen, und abgekehrt vom Leben: das macht, sie wollen damit wehethun.
Solchen wollen sie damit wehethun, die jetzt die Macht haben: denn bei diesen ist noch die Predigt vom Tode am besten zu Hause.
Wäre es anders, so würden die Taranteln anders lehren: und gerade sie waren ehemals die besten Welt-Verleumder und Ketzer-Brenner.
Mit diesen Predigern der Gleichheit will ich nicht vermischt und verwechselt sein. Denn so redet mir die Gerechtigkeit: „die Menschen sind nicht gleich.“
Und sie sollen es auch nicht werden! Was wäre denn meine Liebe zum Übermenschen, wenn ich anders spräche?
Auf tausend Brücken und Stegen sollen sie sich drängen zur Zukunft, und immer mehr Krieg und Ungleichheit soll zwischen sie gesetzt sein: so lässt mich meine grosse Liebe reden!
Erfinder von Bildern und Gespenstern sollen sie werden in ihren Feindschaften, und mit ihren Bildern und Gespenstern sollen sie noch gegeneinander den höchsten Kampf kämpfen!
Gut und Böse, und Reich und Arm, und Hoch und Gering, und alle Namen der Werthe: Waffen sollen es sein und klirrende Merkmale davon, dass das Leben sich immer wieder selber überwinden muss!
In die Höhe will es sich bauen mit Pfeilern und Stufen, das Leben selber: in weite Fernen will es blicken und hinaus nach seligen Schönheiten,-darum braucht es Höhe!
Und weil es Höhe braucht, braucht es Stufen und Widerspruch der Stufen und Steigenden! Steigen will das Leben und steigend sich überwinden.
Und seht mir doch, meine Freunde! Hier, wo der Tarantel Höhle ist, heben sich eines alten Tempels Trümmer aufwärts,-seht mir doch mit erleuchteten Augen hin!
Wahrlich, wer hier einst seine Gedanken in Stein nach Oben thürmte, um das Geheimniss alles Lebens wusste er gleich dem Weisesten!
Dass Kampf und Ungleiches auch noch in der Schönheit sei und Krieg um Macht und Übermacht: das lehrt er uns hier im deutlichsten Gleichniss.
Wie sich göttlich hier Gewölbe und Bogen brechen, im Ringkampfe: wie mit Licht und Schatten sie wider einander streben, die göttlich-Strebenden-
Also sicher und schön lasst uns auch Feinde sein, meine Freunde! Göttlich wollen wir wider einander streben!-
Wehe! Da biss mich selber die Tarantel, meine alte Feindin! Göttlich sicher und schön biss sie mich in den Finger!
„Strafe muss sein und Gerechtigkeit-so denkt sie: nicht umsonst soll er hier der Feindschaft zu Ehren Lieder singen!“
Ja, sie hat sich gerächt! Und wehe! nun wird sie mit Rache auch noch meine Seele drehend machen!
Dass ich mich aber nicht drehe, meine Freunde, bindet mich fest hier an diese Säule! Lieber noch Säulen-Heiliger will ich sein, als Wirbel der Rachsucht!
Wahrlich, kein Dreh- und Wirbelwind ist Zarathustra; und wenn er ein Tänzer ist, nimmermehr doch ein Tarantel-Tänzer!-
Also sprach Zarathustra"
What about the pull and push of hebraism vs. hedonism that was so consuming in the work of Nietzsche. His following of the hedonistic Greek God of wine (animalistic pleasures) or master morality and yet constantly trying to suppress and deny his very acceptable “human” desires in the name of Superman ( Jesus).
Marx influence can we even estimate the bodies?
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Scorpion = n the. the constellation Scorpio, the eight sign of the zodiac.
I quite like Nietzsche. It is astonishing as to how radical he is. His philosophy is essentially obsessed with the heroic and the inequality that comes with it.
His theory of the development of morality is terrific. He placed attacks on Christianity and the soft anti-Semitism of German conservatives because they weren’t radical enough and they ignored the roots of the problems.
The outside source is ego. Nietzsche is a Vedic in the wrong time or surrounded by the wrong external language or western understanding.
A wise mind living in the wrong side of the planet.
The ignorant west.
Marx the parasite
Nietzsche lived a miserable and pathetic life. He failed to live up to his philosophy. He was lonely, sickly and full of resentment against women for ignoring him. He is what today we would call an ‘incel’.