Watched your video prior to our trip from Shin-Osaka to Kanazawa and it left me with a little anxiety if I’m honest. But the concerns about the transfer time were completely unfounded, with 9 minutes between trains we rushed off our Thunderbird express train to make the transfer with the Shinkansen and made it with more than 5 minutes to spare. The station is really nice and easy to navigate, with trains running on consistent platforms it’s easy to check ahead of time the departing platform for the connection and make the transfer.
Tsuruga Station is definitely the Japanese version of Padalarang Station in Bandung, Indonesia. Similar to Tsuruga, If you use the Jakarta-Bandung 'Whoosh' HSR service and want to go to Bandung city center, you need to transfer to a conventional feeder train at Padalarang Station.
They investigated gauge-change trains for the Nagasaki Shinkansen but found they wouldn't work. In Europe they are used to change between standard and broad gauge, but in Japan they would be used between standard and narrow gauge, and there wasn't enough space to fit the required equipment in the narrow gauge bogies.
Three scenarios: 1) Dual-gauge the Kosei Line. Disadvantages however are in the loading gauge, and the speed is not fast enough. 2) Run thunderbird as a through service and type-3 operator to at least Fukui, but even that would render handing over the Hokuriku Main Line to Hapi/IR to be redundant. 3) Hapi takes over Thunderbird and runs chokutsu onto the Kosei Main Line. But it would require Hapi to have money in the first place. That said it's been done before with Hokuetsu Express. You also get some flexibility with JR pass holders.
1) thru running to Kosei Line was the original plan with gauge-changing trains, which I think would be pretty cool except it also runs into issues with reliability the line is subject to strong mountain winds so it is often delayed and Thunderbird trains either get hit with a speed limit, or get rerouted to Maibara in fact it already happened like a few days ago fxtwitter.com/shinkansen_ex/status/1769522923554111873 One of the proposed routes of the Shinkansen extension from Tsuruga to Osaka actually parallels the Kosei Line, which was ultimately dropped in favour of the Obama-Kyoto route It’s a good call by JR West, cuz it really sucks if shinkansen often gets delayed like this 2/3) obviously running main line express to Fukui would be a crowd pleaser, but I guess JRW would be against the idea cuz it splits ridership from their shinkansen what if JRW runs a special rapid service that thru runs with Hapi’s rapid service? 8-car 223/225 + 2+2-car 521 that would be a banger service
Another point is the cost, from what I believe, with this transfer, the price would go up since it becomes two individual sections, and part of it becomes the more expensive Shinkansen. So more cost with pretty much only 10% travel time off with the possibility to be stuck at a crowded station and losing the good old time of one seat for the entire trip. And it just basically ''forces'' people to pay higher with no significant improvements and provides no good alternative for people.
yeah the new Shinkansen is pretty polarizing cuz the east (greater Tokyo area) love it while the west (Kansai - Osaka, Kyoto, Kobe, etc) hate it Kansai is pretty much stuck with this until the Shinkansen eventually reaches them, but who knows how long that'll take
Hello ! I am travelling from Osaka to Kanazawa in September. I would like to travel on the Thunderbird from Osaka to Tsuruga - and then on the Hokuriku Shinkansen from Tsuruga to Kanazawa. Which Hokuriku Shinkansen should I book ?
just read about the station on wikipedia i can certainly see the similarities in structure except Manggarai seems way busier with two main lines each with their own sets of platforms which makes working in a cross-platform transfer seem very hard i would definitely love to check out Jakarta (and Indonesia) someday, and check out the Japanese rolling stock plus the new high speed rail speaking of, i would love to hear your thoughts on Halim, which doesn't seem too convenient, as it lacks a direct rail connection to the city center
@@mann_1586Eyea the new Manggarai is pretty horribly design, especially with their cheap escalators, they broke down almost every 2 weeks and the repair time can take almost 2 month each And thank god they finally opened platform 1-4 for Cikarang line recently. Before that Cikarang line was served on platform 5-7 and it was a nightmare because there's only a single track connecting the platform with the main line one the south side plus lack of stairs and big pillars on that rather narrow island platform If you want to visit Jakarta's commuter train network my advice is just try to avoid the rush hour, people get squeezed inside the train. Well at least until the new and refurbished train set is ready for operation
@@mann_1586E halim station actually has a rail connection to the city center and its the brand new LRT Jabodebek with its Automated GoA 3 trains and its actually not that bad even tho it will be better if the actual HSR terminus was on the city center just like what japan offer on the bid against china, but from my perspective as someone who live in East Jakarta its actually good to have the station here because i dont think they will also make station here if the terminus was on Dukuh Atas From my train enthusiast perspective it will be better for everyone if the terminus was on the city center But yea indonesia is really need the technology transfer from this project to grow its economy where japan didn't offer unlike china and i hope japan will still involved on the conventional train and MRT projects And yes, Manggarai and other commuter train problem still need japan help like the electrification in greater surabaya and greater bandung
7:50 Late trains cause delays 🤣Deutsche Bahn Logo Fortunately, in Austria we dont have it that bad with our trains (look at that Railjet Beauty 😍) - but i think japanese Trains are still better, even the commuter ones
Watched your video prior to our trip from Shin-Osaka to Kanazawa and it left me with a little anxiety if I’m honest. But the concerns about the transfer time were completely unfounded, with 9 minutes between trains we rushed off our Thunderbird express train to make the transfer with the Shinkansen and made it with more than 5 minutes to spare. The station is really nice and easy to navigate, with trains running on consistent platforms it’s easy to check ahead of time the departing platform for the connection and make the transfer.
Tsuruga Station is definitely the Japanese version of Padalarang Station in Bandung, Indonesia. Similar to Tsuruga, If you use the Jakarta-Bandung 'Whoosh' HSR service and want to go to Bandung city center, you need to transfer to a conventional feeder train at Padalarang Station.
Duh ada juga org indo yg komen disini ternyata 😂
Yes, i think they adopt the similar system
They investigated gauge-change trains for the Nagasaki Shinkansen but found they wouldn't work. In Europe they are used to change between standard and broad gauge, but in Japan they would be used between standard and narrow gauge, and there wasn't enough space to fit the required equipment in the narrow gauge bogies.
Three scenarios:
1) Dual-gauge the Kosei Line. Disadvantages however are in the loading gauge, and the speed is not fast enough.
2) Run thunderbird as a through service and type-3 operator to at least Fukui, but even that would render handing over the Hokuriku Main Line to Hapi/IR to be redundant.
3) Hapi takes over Thunderbird and runs chokutsu onto the Kosei Main Line. But it would require Hapi to have money in the first place. That said it's been done before with Hokuetsu Express. You also get some flexibility with JR pass holders.
1) thru running to Kosei Line was the original plan with gauge-changing trains, which I think would be pretty cool except it also runs into issues with reliability
the line is subject to strong mountain winds so it is often delayed and Thunderbird trains either get hit with a speed limit, or get rerouted to Maibara
in fact it already happened like a few days ago fxtwitter.com/shinkansen_ex/status/1769522923554111873
One of the proposed routes of the Shinkansen extension from Tsuruga to Osaka actually parallels the Kosei Line, which was ultimately dropped in favour of the Obama-Kyoto route
It’s a good call by JR West, cuz it really sucks if shinkansen often gets delayed like this
2/3) obviously running main line express to Fukui would be a crowd pleaser, but I guess JRW would be against the idea cuz it splits ridership from their shinkansen
what if JRW runs a special rapid service that thru runs with Hapi’s rapid service?
8-car 223/225 + 2+2-car 521
that would be a banger service
Another point is the cost, from what I believe, with this transfer, the price would go up since it becomes two individual sections, and part of it becomes the more expensive Shinkansen. So more cost with pretty much only 10% travel time off with the possibility to be stuck at a crowded station and losing the good old time of one seat for the entire trip. And it just basically ''forces'' people to pay higher with no significant improvements and provides no good alternative for people.
yeah the new Shinkansen is pretty polarizing cuz the east (greater Tokyo area) love it while the west (Kansai - Osaka, Kyoto, Kobe, etc) hate it
Kansai is pretty much stuck with this until the Shinkansen eventually reaches them, but who knows how long that'll take
Hello ! I am travelling from Osaka to Kanazawa in September. I would like to travel on the Thunderbird from Osaka to Tsuruga - and then on the Hokuriku Shinkansen from Tsuruga to Kanazawa. Which Hokuriku Shinkansen should I book ?
Manggarai station ahh moment
just read about the station on wikipedia
i can certainly see the similarities in structure
except Manggarai seems way busier with two main lines each with their own sets of platforms which makes working in a cross-platform transfer seem very hard
i would definitely love to check out Jakarta (and Indonesia) someday, and check out the Japanese rolling stock plus the new high speed rail
speaking of, i would love to hear your thoughts on Halim, which doesn't seem too convenient, as it lacks a direct rail connection to the city center
@@mann_1586Eyea the new Manggarai is pretty horribly design, especially with their cheap escalators, they broke down almost every 2 weeks and the repair time can take almost 2 month each
And thank god they finally opened platform 1-4 for Cikarang line recently. Before that Cikarang line was served on platform 5-7 and it was a nightmare because there's only a single track connecting the platform with the main line one the south side plus lack of stairs and big pillars on that rather narrow island platform
If you want to visit Jakarta's commuter train network my advice is just try to avoid the rush hour, people get squeezed inside the train. Well at least until the new and refurbished train set is ready for operation
@@mann_1586E halim station actually has a rail connection to the city center and its the brand new LRT Jabodebek with its Automated GoA 3 trains and its actually not that bad even tho it will be better if the actual HSR terminus was on the city center just like what japan offer on the bid against china, but from my perspective as someone who live in East Jakarta its actually good to have the station here because i dont think they will also make station here if the terminus was on Dukuh Atas
From my train enthusiast perspective it will be better for everyone if the terminus was on the city center
But yea indonesia is really need the technology transfer from this project to grow its economy where japan didn't offer unlike china and i hope japan will still involved on the conventional train and MRT projects
And yes, Manggarai and other commuter train problem still need japan help like the electrification in greater surabaya and greater bandung
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Fortunately, in Austria we dont have it that bad with our trains (look at that Railjet Beauty 😍) - but i think japanese Trains are still better, even the commuter ones
(sorry germans)