For the dialog starting at 10:54 "Stop me if you've heard this one before..." Holy crap is that a TFS Frieza reference? Where he dismissively counts how many times he's heard each heroic line and asks that before telling the Namekian Lightbulb joke!? "Take your army, get off this planet, never come back, and give up your evil ways...and only then will I stop attacking." OH, THAT'S SO FIRE! That sounds like exactly what TFS would love to have Gohan say if he got a chance to beat up Frieza and they got to cover it, just minus some potential tasty wordplay! I LOVE IT!
@HaremArchon I assumed that at first, but I honestly can't find an example of Goku saying, "Take your army, get off this planet, never come back." (To be clear my tone right now is not joking.) I thought it'd have to be in the Namek Frieza arc because Frieza never meets Goku again onscreen until Res f, but I can't find a clip or image of Goku saying any variation of that line in the Namek Saga, and it's not like he'd have much opportunity to say that once the Planet is blowing up. Goku still isn't here in this what if, so it's not like Gohan could be referring to something Goku just said in Res f. Did Trunks say it to Frieza before dicing him or the Namekians at the start of the Frieza arc say it? If not, I don't see what the logic behind it could be other than "ah you're an evil space emperor, so you probably get this a lot" as the TFS bit or just "oops we forgot that Goku didn't have the chance to have a new hour long fight scene and banter that out over here." Can you find any examples of any times Gohan might be referring to?
@@louisdellalucca8969 they didn’t abandon Gohan especially when Gohan has stated that he hates fighting, you really don’t want a character who hates fighting to be the main character of a fighting anime
@@RyanPrindall Ok then what about Goten? He clearly wants to fight and get stronger but the writers always shaft him for Piccolo, Vegeta and especially Kakarot. Where's the justice for Goten?
Yet Súper Hero grabbed him as protagonist. The change in the buu arc onwards was that Toriyama had problems with writing Gohan until pandering to the base by using Goku again
Frieza training for four months to lose to an out of shape and rusty Gohan has to be the biggest form of disrespect I have ever seen in my life that’s devious work
The writers keep doing Gohan dirty they always make him talk about keeping up on his training then theres a time jump and hes like oh i haven't been keeping up on my training like bro wtf im so happy the guys that worked on this game gave Gohan some of the love he deserves
It's amazing how they never seem to come off as getting bored of doing the usual scenes over and over and over and over again. But this is atleast new stuff.
When it comes to these things, we need to put it in perspective. When Goku was Gohan's age, his power level was less than Raditz's. Now look at our Gohan!!! He's a mighty mighty beast!
@@Tradetek1 if we were assumed this gohan trained between bog and before rof happened that *might* get him around ssg level,and if frieza toy with him enough he'll lost stamina quickly and gohan could have pulled a w,but yeah it's mostly a reach
If Gohan had actually kept training from the Buu Saga I could see it. Thanks to his tendency to push training to the wayside to, well, be a normal productive member of society he’d never really be able to match up well against Golden Frieza. Here’s simply no way to instantly close that power gap unless by some miracle he lasts long enough for Frieza to start losing his ability to keep the form up.
@@tradne85 that’s the thing Gohan doesn’t like to fight unless he absolutely has to, like I said once already he would rather be a scholar and a family man than a fighter.
That's literally the case in the Resurrection F timeline. Freeza hadn't mastered Golden Freeza. Gohan's potential unleashed has little to no strain on his body. So as long as Gohan can outlast him he'll win. Plus the nature of which allows them to use their latent power at its highest level. As a result of this, the user enters into a state that unleashes their full dormant potential and can focus it to push their power well beyond their normal limits. This is without the strain of SSJ which in theory Gohan could stack on top of it, because it's not technically a "form" it's his natural potential being utilized to the fullest. Also Gohan is a Saiyan( half Saiyan). So his power would continue to grow the longer he fights and the more damage he sustains. "Ultimate Gohan" is literally perfect for this fight.
People always cry about them abandoning and or nerfing Gohan but it makes a ton if sense for Gohan who doesn't like fighting to slack off on training to fight and focus on being a scholar full time when you have Goku and Vegeta protecting the world. As dumb as it was THIS is exactly why Goku originally left Buu to Goten and Trunks and also Gohan if Goku knew he was still alive because they needed to learn how to defend earth without him around. Super Hero ended up showing Gohan that if Goku and Vegeta aren't around and even if they are then its up to him just in case.
Gohan with his potential unleashed would have lost to Golden Frieza. In this scenario Gohan still hadn't trained for an extended period, he was out of shape in more ways than just his power level. Frieza would have curb stomped him as soon as he transformed into his Golden form.
Actually we might get beast gohan vs black frieza and since even the creator of the series said Gohan was the strongest oh boy himhon is about to beat up frieza in the most disrespectful way we have ever seen 💀😂
Gohan beating Golden Frieza is a stretch, but him getting bodied by first form Frieza in the original was bullshit. Ultimate Gohan should be powerful enough to force Frieza into Golden if only for a moment to deal with Gohan. And him losing the ability to enter Ultimate form at will was ass.
@@RyanPrindall You really need him to explain an idea this simple? It is the DEFINITION of lazy. When the author remembers gohan he suddenly gets a power boost out of thin air with absolutely 0 training just to match a certain narrative, that is why it is lazy. It wouldn't be lazy and bad writing if he got that power up AFTER training or based on some other logic that hasnt been overplayed 3 seperate times and is as ambiguous as "potential unlocked". Holy shit how can this require an explanation.
this makes no sense. mystic gohan's power is just a little higher than a ssj3. Goku had to resort to super sayan blue in order to beat gold freezer, not super sayan god. So 2 levels above ssj3. according to this logic mystic gohan would have no chance against golden freezer. But we know that in DB Super the logic is outdated, and the power levels no longer make sense.
You know I have to agree with you. Sure Gohan the most latent ability than anyone, but the fact it just easily surpassed the god forms, it just made the god forms look obsolete.
Wrong!!! Kid Buu is jus slightly stronger than SS3. Super Buu and Gotenks are stronger than that. Gohan is stronger than that. Much bigger gap than u think.
Except Jiren's base dwarfed Gold Frieza, so this makes no sense. The only reason Mystic isn't strong enough is because Toriyama always defaults to new transformations. Even Broly's base form was strong as woah after several evolutions.
@@RyanPrindall Why am i answering to your comments, given the answers you've given and the profile picture you clearly have some sort of R word, but that IS NOT a terrible take and it makes perfect sense dumbass. Stop spouting the same stupid ass comment without giving any argument like your iq isnt 75 at best.
this should have been canon, not the part of gohan being able to beat frieza but for gohan to still train and being much stronger and clapping frieza until he goes golden. At the end of the day, they made gohan strong anyways again, but he just randomly became godtier in like what? a year? that's the biggest problem in my eyes. Imagine gohan actually training for 4 full years, having mythic and everything back, but being far above his level that he had vs buu, and then later he continues training up til the point when he learns beast form. Would be much better and would be character growth at the same time for gohan which everybody would love. instead gohan became so weak that he can't even turn "ssj" properly (LOL) and then 1year later he is stronger than ultrainstinct goku with his power xD
TBF Super did shit like this even worse all the time like with Roshi. Why didn't Roshi use his "secret training" with the fucking androids in future timeline.
I feel like they could've made Freezia more *Fierce* looking but because this generation he just changes color. Why bring him back anyways he's been dead since 1980s
Your take is completely valid and logical and the only people who disagree make 0 arguments to base their views and are guided by emotion and childhood nostalgia bias, horrible is the iq of the people that disagree with such a blatantly true statement based on logic.
For the dialog starting at 10:54
"Stop me if you've heard this one before..."
Holy crap is that a TFS Frieza reference? Where he dismissively counts how many times he's heard each heroic line and asks that before telling the Namekian Lightbulb joke!?
"Take your army, get off this planet, never come back, and give up your evil ways...and only then will I stop attacking."
OH, THAT'S SO FIRE! That sounds like exactly what TFS would love to have Gohan say if he got a chance to beat up Frieza and they got to cover it, just minus some potential tasty wordplay!
I LOVE IT!
I can't tell if you're joking or not, but if you are Gohan was quoting what Goku said before
@HaremArchon I assumed that at first, but I honestly can't find an example of Goku saying, "Take your army, get off this planet, never come back." (To be clear my tone right now is not joking.) I thought it'd have to be in the Namek Frieza arc because Frieza never meets Goku again onscreen until Res f, but I can't find a clip or image of Goku saying any variation of that line in the Namek Saga, and it's not like he'd have much opportunity to say that once the Planet is blowing up. Goku still isn't here in this what if, so it's not like Gohan could be referring to something Goku just said in Res f.
Did Trunks say it to Frieza before dicing him or the Namekians at the start of the Frieza arc say it? If not, I don't see what the logic behind it could be other than "ah you're an evil space emperor, so you probably get this a lot" as the TFS bit or just "oops we forgot that Goku didn't have the chance to have a new hour long fight scene and banter that out over here."
Can you find any examples of any times Gohan might be referring to?
“You sure you dont need any help? Do you need an adult?”
“No… I am an adult”
*Actual TFS dialogue*
@@mariobros68 absolutely amazing
In other words: if the writers didn’t abandon Gohan for Goku again
@@louisdellalucca8969 they didn’t abandon Gohan especially when Gohan has stated that he hates fighting, you really don’t want a character who hates fighting to be the main character of a fighting anime
@@RyanPrindall Ok then what about Goten? He clearly wants to fight and get stronger but the writers always shaft him for Piccolo, Vegeta and especially Kakarot. Where's the justice for Goten?
@@benbriefs798 Goten is a kid plus he has a overbearing mother
Yet Súper Hero grabbed him as protagonist. The change in the buu arc onwards was that Toriyama had problems with writing Gohan until pandering to the base by using Goku again
@@RyanPrindall
Gohan has never said he hates fighting, ever. You just made that up
Frieza training for four months to lose to an out of shape and rusty Gohan has to be the biggest form of disrespect I have ever seen in my life that’s devious work
Happy to see Gohan as a hero again in these's whatifs
@@dboggamer6729 same they really explored the what ifs for Gohan
The writers keep doing Gohan dirty they always make him talk about keeping up on his training then theres a time jump and hes like oh i haven't been keeping up on my training like bro wtf im so happy the guys that worked on this game gave Gohan some of the love he deserves
@@tythestoner97 ikr
Gohan: Get off this planet, give up your evil ways!
Frieza: ...612
The VA's were actually going off here
@@dressednplaid4875 they really were
It's amazing how they never seem to come off as getting bored of doing the usual scenes over and over and over and over again. But this is atleast new stuff.
Much improvement from FighterZ
When it comes to these things, we need to put it in perspective. When Goku was Gohan's age, his power level was less than Raditz's. Now look at our Gohan!!! He's a mighty mighty beast!
That's how it shoulda been!
@@SilverSoul255 I dunno about that
The power scale in dbs was off but this power scale is insanely bad
@@Tradetek1??????
Yeah. Better than canon
@@Tradetek1 if we were assumed this gohan trained between bog and before rof happened that *might* get him around ssg level,and if frieza toy with him enough he'll lost stamina quickly and gohan could have pulled a w,but yeah it's mostly a reach
Ah yes, What If Bardock's revenge didn't skip a generation.
Gohan was lucky the frieza force soldier was barely trying
@@Tradetek1 what?
@@RyanPrindall He would have been cooked if the soldier released his true power, you know?
Gohan >>> Midku
If Gohan had actually kept training from the Buu Saga I could see it.
Thanks to his tendency to push training to the wayside to, well, be a normal productive member of society he’d never really be able to match up well against Golden Frieza. Here’s simply no way to instantly close that power gap unless by some miracle he lasts long enough for Frieza to start losing his ability to keep the form up.
@@tradne85 that’s the thing Gohan doesn’t like to fight unless he absolutely has to, like I said once already he would rather be a scholar and a family man than a fighter.
That's literally the case in the Resurrection F timeline. Freeza hadn't mastered Golden Freeza. Gohan's potential unleashed has little to no strain on his body. So as long as Gohan can outlast him he'll win. Plus the nature of which allows them to use their latent power at its highest level. As a result of this, the user enters into a state that unleashes their full dormant potential and can focus it to push their power well beyond their normal limits. This is without the strain of SSJ which in theory Gohan could stack on top of it, because it's not technically a "form" it's his natural potential being utilized to the fullest. Also Gohan is a Saiyan( half Saiyan). So his power would continue to grow the longer he fights and the more damage he sustains. "Ultimate Gohan" is literally perfect for this fight.
At 11:27 I find it nice to see the move set goes well with the dialog that Gohan is saying it or is that just me.
this event also lead to the birth of Gohan black
Kakarot didn't even have to be here, This is incredible!!
9:57 Those who don't know. Freeza said this is line in fusion reborn. When Gohan one shoted him.
People always cry about them abandoning and or nerfing Gohan but it makes a ton if sense for Gohan who doesn't like fighting to slack off on training to fight and focus on being a scholar full time when you have Goku and Vegeta protecting the world. As dumb as it was THIS is exactly why Goku
originally left Buu to Goten and Trunks and also Gohan if Goku knew he was still alive because they needed to learn how to defend earth without him around. Super Hero ended up showing Gohan that if Goku and Vegeta aren't around and even if they are then its up to him just in case.
Bro why nappa is there 0:47
Imagine Frieza training for 4 months and getting hacks and Gohan just being like:”Damn I’m rusty but…I think I can take him”
shoildve never been retconned into a form. Would've loved to see this potential + super Saiyan 2
No it’s a form but he can still use super saiyan with it
Gohan with his potential unleashed would have lost to Golden Frieza. In this scenario Gohan still hadn't trained for an extended period, he was out of shape in more ways than just his power level. Frieza would have curb stomped him as soon as he transformed into his Golden form.
I just realized that This looks a lot like when Gohan came to save Goten trunks and Piccolo from Super Buu but this time he won
Funny, there was a fan made comic about this battle, but sadly, the artist never finish it
@@MASTERSOT and Sparking Zero finished it
That was amazing. I kinda wish i didn't spoil myself now
I don't get why they force you to press a button to advance the text when the game is voice acted.
Actually we might get beast gohan vs black frieza and since even the creator of the series said Gohan was the strongest oh boy himhon is about to beat up frieza in the most disrespectful way we have ever seen 💀😂
Gohan Beast is barely stronger than UI Goku and Black Frieza one-shotted UI Goku and UE Vegeta
Him-han going crazy!
Gohan beating Golden Frieza is a stretch, but him getting bodied by first form Frieza in the original was bullshit. Ultimate Gohan should be powerful enough to force Frieza into Golden if only for a moment to deal with Gohan. And him losing the ability to enter Ultimate form at will was ass.
Gohan needs to stop being lazy relying on potential unlocking
@@kingofrannoch how is that lazy??
@@RyanPrindall You really need him to explain an idea this simple? It is the DEFINITION of lazy. When the author remembers gohan he suddenly gets a power boost out of thin air with absolutely 0 training just to match a certain narrative, that is why it is lazy. It wouldn't be lazy and bad writing if he got that power up AFTER training or based on some other logic that hasnt been overplayed 3 seperate times and is as ambiguous as "potential unlocked". Holy shit how can this require an explanation.
If he wasn't lazy, no one would be able to beat him. Wouldn't be much of a series.
this makes no sense. mystic gohan's power is just a little higher than a ssj3. Goku had to resort to super sayan blue in order to beat gold freezer, not super sayan god. So 2 levels above ssj3. according to this logic mystic gohan would have no chance against golden freezer. But we know that in DB Super the logic is outdated, and the power levels no longer make sense.
You know I have to agree with you. Sure Gohan the most latent ability than anyone, but the fact it just easily surpassed the god forms, it just made the god forms look obsolete.
@@escala94 this take is absolutely terrible
Wrong!!! Kid Buu is jus slightly stronger than SS3. Super Buu and Gotenks are stronger than that. Gohan is stronger than that. Much bigger gap than u think.
Except Jiren's base dwarfed Gold Frieza, so this makes no sense. The only reason Mystic isn't strong enough is because Toriyama always defaults to new transformations. Even Broly's base form was strong as woah after several evolutions.
@@RyanPrindall Why am i answering to your comments, given the answers you've given and the profile picture you clearly have some sort of R word, but that IS NOT a terrible take and it makes perfect sense dumbass. Stop spouting the same stupid ass comment without giving any argument like your iq isnt 75 at best.
Gohan is so cute 🥰
this should have been canon, not the part of gohan being able to beat frieza but for gohan to still train and being much stronger and clapping frieza until he goes golden. At the end of the day, they made gohan strong anyways again, but he just randomly became godtier in like what? a year? that's the biggest problem in my eyes. Imagine gohan actually training for 4 full years, having mythic and everything back, but being far above his level that he had vs buu, and then later he continues training up til the point when he learns beast form. Would be much better and would be character growth at the same time for gohan which everybody would love. instead gohan became so weak that he can't even turn "ssj" properly (LOL) and then 1year later he is stronger than ultrainstinct goku with his power xD
TBF Super did shit like this even worse all the time like with Roshi.
Why didn't Roshi use his "secret training" with the fucking androids in future timeline.
Freeza brought an army of Nappas and Cui's
@@RancorSnp he absolutely did 😂
And everyone jobd to a guy on zarbons level
I did this without charging ki You can't waste a second on this fight. I hate it
Hey do you think this kinda mechnic could work with a Naruto game
There arent as many potential what ifs really, neji or azuma surviving is the only thing i could think of offhand
What if the war arc never happened... the series would have been a lot better. I'd love that what if.
I feel like they could've made Freezia more *Fierce* looking but because this generation he just changes color. Why bring him back anyways he's been dead since 1980s
This one is the son of Goku(Mid)
its good he got spotlight. too bad that his signature move: asspull.
would it kill him to work for that power, for once?
That is a horrible take
@@dark-xh7fs this is a absolutely terrible take
Dragonball fans be mad as fuck gohan isnt fight obsessed like goku
He was given that ability since birth. So yeah, as the others said, horrible take.
Your take is completely valid and logical and the only people who disagree make 0 arguments to base their views and are guided by emotion and childhood nostalgia bias, horrible is the iq of the people that disagree with such a blatantly true statement based on logic.