Getting this out just in time before the update that will inevitably shift a lot of the tier list... anyways I'm sure the discussion on this will be very civil. I have also updated the tier list with some minor changes that you can see here: th-cam.com/video/MvuL2KxK6Co/w-d-xo.html
They all just needed the Attack speed or damage buffs to compensate. If laser vision super got some of the attack speed that Plasma got it be a much better upgrade. Laser Cannon should deal 2 base damage with less pierce.
I'd argue that base dart is s tier because you literally see this dart monkey in 90% of scenarios no matter how good at the game you are or if you have unlocked the mk for free dart or not. It is like a staple to early game anything.
Cluster Bomb is a solid tower for the early rounds and Recursive is an all-around good tower whether for an easy solution for round 63 or to destroy midgame rounds with two of them alched for a good price in general. B tier.
i love how in the thumbnail he ranks stuff like long reach spikes above vtsg, monkeyopolis, primary mentoring, wizard lord phoenix, jungle drums, and prince of darkness
nah its garbage as soon as you get to any multi-lane map, just because its good on easy maps doesnt mean its good because literally every other tower will also be good on easy maps
It's just not good when compared to other better options. ODS is very good and it's very cheap. Helps you save for better towers. The Sniper Monkey for instance. Very good tower for similar pricing but also provides buffs and money
I think Spectre could have gotten C. It’s decent save up with neva miss and has amazing mid game, it is very good for modes up to r80. You just need decent Moab damage I agree it has trash late game though.
RCCH and Shyguymask in the same comment section? Nice Anyway, I do agree, rubber to gold isn't as cracked as people make it out to be, and mauler is alright in bosses as well, plus assassin hard counters one boss (Lych), so I'd put R2G in low B and bump assassin to low B as well, maybe also Elim to B since its great for reducing RBE of hard rounds
kinda true tho after r50 bloon pops for money is cut in 1/2 and after T1 mauler isn’t great defense. Still useful for cheap defense for natural rounds, mauler should be higher.
Mauler's niche is just cheap moab damage. If you have more than bits of spare change you'll end up getting something that outclasses it. Rubber to gold doesn't really have any competition for its niche (nothing it doesn't stack with) so it gets a higher ranking easier
True Sun God should be F Tier imo It's very small niche is when you have a ridiculous amount of money but not *too* ridiculous to where you can just get a VTSG instead.
I Agree, but support temple tsg has a niche in ranked and casual boss events. The support buffs are pretty strong and can make a huge difference. I would rank it in like C-B for that alone.
@@aguyontheinternet-n8pif you want a good tsg and not a vtsg you only save the price of LotN and Anti-Bloon (wich is still like a 350-400K saving but still) don't forget you would still need 150k for T4 and 200K for T5 sacrifice
I’ll respectfully say that ultra-jugg deserves a higher tier. This tier list is based on how good that tower is with its niche. Ultra-juggs niche is enclosed maps and it is extremely good on those maps. (Moon landing, balance, hedge, dark path, etc.) It can also destroy rounds like 63 in the right circumstances and other high density rounds with lots of ceramics. I think it deserves at least B tier for being incredible at its niche.
@@monke0175it also does great dmg to later rounds. It's the cheapest tower for how much dmg potential it has. It's not good on expert maps but end enclosed map you will easily beat all bloons until you reach the later rounds. Helps save for better towers. That's It's niche.
@@Helperishere I disagree based solely on the fact that you can get a middle path druid and buff it for less than a Ultra Jugg and against bloons Jugg stands no chance to compete in damage, and its MOAB damage isn't enough to compensate. I would just almost always find myself wanting Jungle's bounty with a few buffs instead and still having more money left for getting other stuff.
@@sirsapphire3499 it does more dmg than a Druid of the Forest on a few maps. It's a very good tower until round 80. It helps you save for better towers. It's one of the better towers for speed running beginner and intermediate maps bc of how the dmg is only capped by its ability to be places in a strong spot. Use it on the Crater map and it will solo even in the 90s
In the spirit of debate, I will mention the one noticeable disagreement that I have with this tier list (and with, it seems, quite a bit of community sentiment): I think that primary towers in general are strongly underrated. They're not late-game towers, that's true, they don't scale well into freeplay, with some exceptions. That's not their niche, though; it feels unfair to compare an AoW or a Sun God to a boomerang. What the primary towers excel in is in being consistent stepping stones. It's very cheap to get the primary towers and their strongest buffs (top path village,) and that allows you to save up ridiculous amounts of money for an actual late-game or even mid-game defense with minimal effort. I'm not saying that there aren't other towers that can do that, like subs or druids. But it just feels like primary towers, properly supported, offer you an excellent return on investment, provided that you understand that the investment is miniscule and so the return on it won't scale into late game. But it will allow you to set up what does scale into late game without issue. Granted I'm missing a major area of data for these claims; I don't like or play races. Though from what I gather, scatter bombs and some of the tack shooters are king in that mode. But it feels like even on Advanced and Expert CHIMPS maps, often a primary strategy just allows me to play very hands-off while I transition into the mid-late game carries. I think ease of use and adequacy almost universally across the early game deserves higher praise.
There were a few where I thought something might be higher or lower, just based on how useful I've found them, but the fact that I've had success with something, like MOAR Glaives or 2xx wizards doesn't make them objectively good, it just means I've stubbornly enough used them to where I've found scenarios where they work. And I find them fun to play with so that's all that really matters.
Disagreements: (4) -Even though nerfed, cluster and recursive still obliterate big rushes of ceramics, and can help you for the midgame, racing and also Boonarius, for that I'd say they are low B tier -Increased accuracy is good, but I don't think it really outbenefits the other crosspaths, the only reason you go x02 is for the burny stuff, I'd say it's more a D tier. -Similarly, I think Night Vision Goggles should be C, as the extra camo damage it provides isn't very important benefit, and the ability to hit Phyase is very niche (good, but specific), and most of the time you just get it for the shrapnel. -Also, bigger radius on the village can come in handy very often, sometimes I a little missplacement, or it being able to reach more towers/farms or even a village to make it reach other towers or farms, I'd say it's pretty ok to be on B And that's pretty much it, really intresting and fun to watch
Pretty sure that this tier list doesn’t account for skill issues, except for the one where people don’t learn ace micro, or my inability to beat bloody puddles chimps.
@@MythicWiz Even if you micro a spectre as the best player, the extra damage you'll get is minimal in comparison to what Sky Shredder will do or the money you'll get from IMF
Spectre F tier 💀 Bro that thing is what carries me in my games, 80% of my strategy depends on it and the 2-0-3 upgrade, it's what makes me able to beat expert maps with ease. I still respect your opinion though.
5-0-2 mortar is super underrated. Whenever anyone talks about mortar it's always middle or bottom path, which are good yes, but top path with burny stuff is just incredible, a nuke that burns everything to a crisp.
Bottom path ace is great. More pierce is B. Centered path is D. Neva-miss and specter is A. Big plane is C. Monkey ace excels at: global range, ignoring obstacle, damage, while not having to focus on a single lane (unlike the heli). The main disadvantage of this tower is the low accuracy and bottom path fixes it making the tower less reliant on micro. More pierce helps ace to deal with group large groups, but due to already having high pierce it is not as important as for other tower. Centered path make the ace path be independent of its placement but wingmonkey is often a better alternative. Neva-miss is one of my favorite upgrades. I no longer need to micro, just put it down with an alch and watch it shred the mid game. Specter heavily increases its damage and is worth it in my opinion. Big plane, however is too expensive for most cases, but is very powerful nonetheless.
I use moab mauler for its high moab damage and low damage to other bloons. This make it the best tower to pop moab in a bloon trap farm. Put a mauler on strong at the start of the track put bloon trap and rubber to gold alch. I would put them at B tier.
Firstly, thank you for your content, I black bordered all Expert maps and got 100% achievements a while back, so I've been taking a break ever since the Jungle's Bounty vines buff came out, so I may not be up to date as much, however I think you're severely underestimating how good Psi is. For reference, you can beat almost any Expert Map CHIMPS run using Darts/Subs/Snipers for the first 10/14 rounds, Psi and 1/2 Druid of the Jungle or 1 Jungle's Bounty for the early/mid game, and transition into anything you want for the late game as Psi is very flexible with strategies. I used Psi on most Expert CHIMPS runs as they can be your solo camo tower till R45, got a ton of utility with the abilities and the global range, as well as solo multiple late-game rounds including getting R98 with a single button click. I also believe people never use a regular TSG if you have access to VTSG except when used with only Support sacrifices for challenges/tests so it should theoretically be down to D or F as it has no actual use. Again, thank you for your content, you're the main reason I can even play this game.
Brickell also has some late game viability. She isn't as good as Ezili or Adora for it, but her ability to buff the VTSG when it's on water is pretty good.
I use specter so much lol, it's a pretty good price for full map coverage and pretty good damage. nevamiss is pretty decent early game too with alch buff. I think you may be sleeping on specter
It's not as good as almost every other map wide tower. If you like the tower than use it but it makes it harder to save for better towers. Especially if you're black bordering expert maps.
Lol rip in peace the glaive lord. I've never had it overwhelmed in an actual game and it cleans up cerams really well. Plus the dot is alright, but not great. It struggles against f-moabs even, which doesn't give it a good reputation for a 40k (I think) tower. Now you should do a chimps run with all f tier towers. Love the videos man!
The only argument I would make is for moving etienne to A because he saves you from spending 2k on village camo so you can get those beloved 202 jungle drums discount villages
@pmfcgaming all I'm saying is there is a reason that discount villages are S tier, so being able to get those without needing to buy multiple villages (yes, I know the effect stacks) is a big deal. Additionally, his lvl 10 ability is a great mid game save-up. I think both of those make him great for chimps and most game modes, thus in the A tier instead of B
@@michaelweitzel10 220 radar drums under a 002 discount doesn't even cost that much, and even then, decamo like flare and sns under a discount is still better than using a hero slot for camo detection when you realize there's heroes that can use the slot to its best like brickell ( megamines stacking deletes 80s and 90s ), ezili ( hex does the same but weaker ), jones ( insane synergy with the paa meta ), adora ( easily the best dps wincon hero at 20 ), and geraldo. UCAV isn't also even that good, it's active 1/3rd of the time for a somewhat decent burst, is also quite weak at 20 when it isn't active. The drones are okay and does break bfb and moab layers later in the game but that's about it. Eti is pretty much outclassed as a dps hero with a niche of global camo which is also outclassed by flare and sns.
@@michaelweitzel10 you can just use a hero thats good at DPS to save on not having to soen money on DPS towers though. And youd save more than the cost of a camo village.
Suggestion for future tierlists - assign a color to upgrades, that will entail which niche of the game the upgrade most excels at. For example let recursive cluster be green background because green means it is best used in races. So everybody could see at a glance which towers should be shifted up when used in their niches.
Yeah, it didn't get a very fair evaluation, everything A tier pretty much doesn't work on expert maps. You need several cleanup defenses per lane, but you also need a global, spectre is that global, it's a bargain compared to cheap bulk damage per lane
@@RoundShadesexpert maps aren’t about strategies, they almost always have a specific early-game and a lot of strategies don’t work as well on them. But, yeah i agree that spectre should have been rated higher. The main thing is it doesn’t have a good late game becuase it cant transition into a t5 like most towers. This mid-game only use is likely why it was rated low.
@@ammonbergevin5302 1-40 is considered early, 40-80 is considered midgame, the rest is late. Spectre midgame is just overspending without getting much use of that money spent when lategame hits. A tower within the same price range, savatar, is miles better both crosspath wise ( kb for utility or mid path for range + pierce lategame ) and alch synergy.
i mean, with the new Monkey knowledge, grand sabo actually is bad for late game, as the ninjagon BAD slowdown + sticky bomb is way more important than like 1/2 of the bads having 15% less HP
Specte in F tier is absolutely wild. Its like my default unit for a lot of the more difficult Chimps maps because it has global targetting and a shit ton of damage. You can just ignore the vast majority of map mechanics because it targets all
The way I see it, shimmer is a slightly more expensive submerge and support but that can be placed on land, so I think it would make sense for them to be in the same tier
@@HenryChen-g5k it has a big range tho so if you give it enough track length it can decamo everything. I don't use signal flare enough to know how good it is tho
glaive ricochet and moar glaives that low is absolutely flabbergasting to me, glaive lord ok yeah it's map dependant and dunking on it has become a meme at this point but the other two feel really good for their price honestly
Blooncin is about on par with Pop and Awe. I used him when attempting a 4TC to round 140 and was the tower to carry the game as I waited on every upgrade to purchase.
Spectre in F tier, Round 63 would like a word with you. That spectre consistently beats tightly packed bloons regardless of the secondary path. The pierce is even good at later rounds when MOAB's and BFB's are tightly packed
420 glue, 0/2/4 ice, 4/2/0 boomerang (and like 40 towers cheaper than Spectre that can beat 63 and be usefull anyway) wants to talk with u. 'Oh but spectre can solo it on harder maps' - ye but for that price u can buy sun avatar which with brew can almost solo chimps and on harder maps is GOAT on rounds 60-80
Instabil concotion is one of the best 3rd tiers and I would rate as a S to A tier (damage per price is so huge at 80 plus rounds). Glaive Lord is C because on easy maps he can solo into the 80s. The hidden camo feature is also nice and do not forget that this tower can be the only choice for some challanges. I think I agree with 90% of your selections.
Putting brickel and psi in B is insane.I mean below ezili? Forgot this guy sticks to the easier stuff. Apparently Freeplay is more important to how insanely broken brickel is on any map with water and the importance of PSI on plenty of expert maps. I mean she isn't even the best lategame hero, that title goes to Adora
And how many do expert maps often? Freeplay appeals to far more people than expert maps. ISAB, as a TH-camr, has to “sticks to the easier stuff” becuase that’s what the community is interested in.
@@NoOne-yv2ei You don't need to play on Expert maps to know how good Brickell or Psi is, you can reliably use them on easier maps and have them perform very well. Brickell literally gets mega mines at lvl 10 which is why she's great and psi at lvl 14+ cleans up late game dense rounds easily which is reliable to get before the 90s. The fact they're good on expert chimps maps makes them better than the others to begin with and is fair to rank them higher in their niche. I don't play CHIMPS often, but when I do I typically use Psi (not Brickell much cause water lol) because they're so easy to use and makes late game a lot easier.
Btw I edited this comment when watching this video, so it's a bit all over the place. Navarch my GOAT. Also 000 dart is S-tier imo, since it's a forced part of the early game of almost every type of BTD6 run. Same thing with Jungle's Bounty, as it is a crucial part of a lot of strategies. Also: Relentless, hello??????????? Ninj top path deserves better ngl. Bouncing Bullets is A tier and Elite Sniper is S tier imo, since Most Expert maps are most easily beaten through Bouncing Bullets + Elite Sniper feat. Geraldo (or not, also works without him). Elite Sniper has very good synergy and it's just crazy.
I think 0-3-0 farm should be higher as its one of the best self-paying farms, and 2-0-0 on S tier cuz its the crosspath you use for all farms and the farm you always spam if you go for farms at all
Recomendation, you have completed chims with the worst paths, but now you made own list, so you should probably try completing chips only using F monkeys/Upgrades
Now beat a game of chimps, using only upgrades from each of the tiers (cannot drop a tower until you have enough cash to get the upgrade from that tier)
Bloon buster is actually stronger for its price now than it used to be. While yes it went from a 100% to 50% DPS increase. The actual flat DPS increase is the exact same. +1 DPS. Or however often it attacks. And now youre prob asking how its better than before. Thats because it now pope 3 layers at a time. Meaning instead of popping say a white into a yellow it pops a white into a green. Making it much slower and increasing how much time it/your other towers have to shoot those bloons.
if chimps gamemode didn't exist (ie. it's feature of disabling monkey money), most aces would definitely be at least A because wingmonkey makes it so incredibly versatile.
I think Really big bombs upgrade is underrated and hated on too much. Crosspathing it 3-0-2 allows for a reliable popping power up to round 40 moab and when upgraded to bloon impact it gest a huge spike in power having power to solo round 63. Oh and also WHY GLAVE LORD IT'S GOOD NOT BAD SAME FOR MOAR AND RICOCHET 😭
i think my biggest disagreement is definitely solver. in pretty much any situation aside from moab class bloons, it takes care of anything that leaks out, and fits really well into any strategy where you use a tower with high moab class damage. on longer maps it can almost solo 98 as well (and can with a couple buffs) and for a T5 isnt that expensive either. i definitely would give it at least A but probably S.
imo laser cannon was a miss. sure it removes purple popping but in most defences that can be substituted by the point in the game you buy a laser cannon. what it adds is a decent amount of pierce good damage and DOT and a safe way to deal with moabs through the midgame. sure it is outclassed by some other mid/early game towers like dbreath and turbocharge but it does also have global range which those 2 don't. i think high c or low b is much more fitting as it beats options like sexpert, icicles and especially neva-miss out of the water. does alright with alchbuff too. it won't carry a defence but it can fill a role well in most cases
I love this but also I disagree with the crows nest ranking it gives you more range and camo detection on a water based tower that is a cheap upgrade considering what you can do with the buccaneer which is probably the strongest towers in the game
Supermines is not S: Lategame its dps is only on par with like a sentry champion max buffed or like a avatar of wrath, plus its boss dps while good only is useful for least tiers and cash normal difficulty so probably just A is good enough. Legend of the night is also A or B: the LOT while is decent at late game and bossing is nothing special and is better of getting used for vtsg, as the trade of for the portal is worth it in most scenarios. Saudi should move up because of good ceramic cleanup with lvl 10 and good damage with utility towers and just very easy early game which is kind of her main niche(may be a little biased though cuz Sauda is my favorite hero)
@@MythicWiz lemme list a few: shredder B spiked mines/balls B triple guns B wizard lord C super maelstrom C there are others but these are just the ones I remembered off the top of my head
BMA honestly should be F, it has like no niche at all. At best it speeds up freeplay rounds by one shotting the insides. Most overrated tower in the game by a long shot,.
@@Pillowcasethegreat It's only really among people who are more experienced at the game that are aware that it's bad. Casual players think it's really good because it usually gets much higher pop counts in freeplay compared to everything else, so they think it's overpowered. I think of it similar to XBow Master, casuals think it's overpowered, meanwhile most experienced players think it sucks.
Getting this out just in time before the update that will inevitably shift a lot of the tier list... anyways I'm sure the discussion on this will be very civil.
I have also updated the tier list with some minor changes that you can see here: th-cam.com/video/MvuL2KxK6Co/w-d-xo.html
I’m SO ready to flame you rn. Best prepare yourself Mr. Plane
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why does it say 8 hours ago when the vid released like a hour ago
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YES DUDE, 51 minutes worth of ISAB roasting faster darts is EXACTLY what i need
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yoooooo blast from the past right here hahaha
where my classic ISAB homies at
Let me guess, might as well get another dark monke
I came down to the comments and read this right as he ranked faster darts in F lol.
Honestly, faster darts is gar-beige
Removing lead popping from all the lasers was definitely a mistake. Just about every upgrade that uses them is terrible now
Lasers never had lead popping. They're classified as Energy projectiles, which can pop frozen but not lead or purples
They all just needed the Attack speed or damage buffs to compensate.
If laser vision super got some of the attack speed that Plasma got it be a much better upgrade. Laser Cannon should deal 2 base damage with less pierce.
@@baranorak4080they had lead popping in btd5 era games
btd5 had a different type system altogether but yeah, the “energy” in 6 were generally projectiles that could pop lead in 5
@@overlordsmashalot3891wizard's base attack had lead popping, but laser blast and laser cannon both only had frozen popping
You should rank all the monkey knowledge as well. Would be really neat (and would take less long).
also very useful for new players wanting an idea of what paths to go down first
Now the big question remains: Will Isab be able to survive chimps with only F-Tier towers
Actually the fact that some F tier towers are the upgraded version from higher tier towers makes this virtually impossible
Probably since Glaive Lord is a 2TC staple and spectre is spectre
I'd argue that base dart is s tier because you literally see this dart monkey in 90% of scenarios no matter how good at the game you are or if you have unlocked the mk for free dart or not. It is like a staple to early game anything.
Its litteraly necessary for many early game chimps
Although it's useless in magic monkeys only
@@metal_pipe9764W take
@@metal_pipe9764 genius
Cluster Bomb is a solid tower for the early rounds and Recursive is an all-around good tower whether for an easy solution for round 63 or to destroy midgame rounds with two of them alched for a good price in general. B tier.
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Agree
Agreed and thank you for pumping out so many high quality videos
@amnio91 comments on this channel. Maybe.. Maybe just a bit.
Counter argument, Mauler should also be higher. It pretty much ties as highest Moab damage per dollar.
51 minute ISAB video, my day has been blessed
This is a day for the history books
i love how in the thumbnail he ranks stuff like long reach spikes above vtsg, monkeyopolis, primary mentoring, wizard lord phoenix, jungle drums, and prince of darkness
Its called clickbait
@@davidpavel5017
The upgrades in the thumbnail aren’t even sorted, it’s literally just the set of all of them from one tower to the next
Yeah it's just alphabetical
spectre is so underrated I feel like. I've used it for multiple chimps runs and it's better than apache dartship
And it’s not much more expensive. Harder to transition into tier 5 for most games though. Shreds stuff way better than apache
nah its garbage as soon as you get to any multi-lane map, just because its good on easy maps doesnt mean its good because literally every other tower will also be good on easy maps
@@aero4810 I beat chimps on infernal and flooded valley with it
@@PassRoyalr they literally said "multi lane map"
It's just not good when compared to other better options. ODS is very good and it's very cheap. Helps you save for better towers.
The Sniper Monkey for instance. Very good tower for similar pricing but also provides buffs and money
I think Spectre could have gotten C. It’s decent save up with neva miss and has amazing mid game, it is very good for modes up to r80. You just need decent Moab damage I agree it has trash late game though.
2:03 can't believe isab putted his little brother in F teir
Soooo for boss farming Rubber to Gold goes in A tier but somehow mauler is C tier when its niche is much more important when boss farming…?
RCCH and Shyguymask in the same comment section? Nice
Anyway, I do agree, rubber to gold isn't as cracked as people make it out to be, and mauler is alright in bosses as well, plus assassin hard counters one boss (Lych), so I'd put R2G in low B and bump assassin to low B as well, maybe also Elim to B since its great for reducing RBE of hard rounds
kinda true tho after r50 bloon pops for money is cut in 1/2 and after T1 mauler isn’t great defense. Still useful for cheap defense for natural rounds, mauler should be higher.
Yooo what's up
Two pvz content creators in the same video 🤨
Mauler's niche is just cheap moab damage. If you have more than bits of spare change you'll end up getting something that outclasses it. Rubber to gold doesn't really have any competition for its niche (nothing it doesn't stack with) so it gets a higher ranking easier
I can't believe you didn't rank every hero level from 1→20 each
smh my head
nahh that would be so annoying to do XD
Ong god
that would be 300 things to rank which mostly don't even matter to much ("slightly increased attack speed")
@@vmgg161 thats why it was a joke
@@deadmemer ohhh really i would have NEVER guessed tht...
True Sun God should be F Tier imo
It's very small niche is when you have a ridiculous amount of money but not *too* ridiculous to where you can just get a VTSG instead.
True but he’s ranking them with many more “qualifications” so it kind of does make sense
I Agree, but support temple tsg has a niche in ranked and casual boss events. The support buffs are pretty strong and can make a huge difference. I would rank it in like C-B for that alone.
you need monkey knowledge tho for VTSG. Plus VTSG doesn’t offer extra buffs I think only damage. eh TSG should’ve been lower tho
Tsg is 500.000, while vtsg is over 1.000.000
@@aguyontheinternet-n8pif you want a good tsg and not a vtsg you only save the price of LotN and Anti-Bloon (wich is still like a 350-400K saving but still) don't forget you would still need 150k for T4 and 200K for T5 sacrifice
isab should try playing 1.0 again to see how much the game has changed
perma spike instant win, it was so OP
@@asl_iwnl8489 prince of darkness
Perma spike my beloved
@@asl_iwnl8489Seriously, that fucker could solo DDT spam rounds.
I’ll respectfully say that ultra-jugg deserves a higher tier. This tier list is based on how good that tower is with its niche. Ultra-juggs niche is enclosed maps and it is extremely good on those maps. (Moon landing, balance, hedge, dark path, etc.) It can also destroy rounds like 63 in the right circumstances and other high density rounds with lots of ceramics. I think it deserves at least B tier for being incredible at its niche.
Destroying r63 as a tower wortb 20k js not impressive
It can easily beat ddts on the right maps (with a bit of support)
@@monke0175it also does great dmg to later rounds. It's the cheapest tower for how much dmg potential it has.
It's not good on expert maps but end enclosed map you will easily beat all bloons until you reach the later rounds. Helps save for better towers. That's It's niche.
@@Helperishere I disagree based solely on the fact that you can get a middle path druid and buff it for less than a Ultra Jugg and against bloons Jugg stands no chance to compete in damage, and its MOAB damage isn't enough to compensate. I would just almost always find myself wanting Jungle's bounty with a few buffs instead and still having more money left for getting other stuff.
@@sirsapphire3499 it does more dmg than a Druid of the Forest on a few maps. It's a very good tower until round 80. It helps you save for better towers. It's one of the better towers for speed running beginner and intermediate maps bc of how the dmg is only capped by its ability to be places in a strong spot. Use it on the Crater map and it will solo even in the 90s
In the spirit of debate, I will mention the one noticeable disagreement that I have with this tier list (and with, it seems, quite a bit of community sentiment): I think that primary towers in general are strongly underrated.
They're not late-game towers, that's true, they don't scale well into freeplay, with some exceptions. That's not their niche, though; it feels unfair to compare an AoW or a Sun God to a boomerang. What the primary towers excel in is in being consistent stepping stones. It's very cheap to get the primary towers and their strongest buffs (top path village,) and that allows you to save up ridiculous amounts of money for an actual late-game or even mid-game defense with minimal effort. I'm not saying that there aren't other towers that can do that, like subs or druids. But it just feels like primary towers, properly supported, offer you an excellent return on investment, provided that you understand that the investment is miniscule and so the return on it won't scale into late game. But it will allow you to set up what does scale into late game without issue.
Granted I'm missing a major area of data for these claims; I don't like or play races. Though from what I gather, scatter bombs and some of the tack shooters are king in that mode. But it feels like even on Advanced and Expert CHIMPS maps, often a primary strategy just allows me to play very hands-off while I transition into the mid-late game carries. I think ease of use and adequacy almost universally across the early game deserves higher praise.
There were a few where I thought something might be higher or lower, just based on how useful I've found them, but the fact that I've had success with something, like MOAR Glaives or 2xx wizards doesn't make them objectively good, it just means I've stubbornly enough used them to where I've found scenarios where they work. And I find them fun to play with so that's all that really matters.
moar glaives and glaive ricochet are really good early to mid game tho
Disagreements: (4)
-Even though nerfed, cluster and recursive still obliterate big rushes of ceramics, and can help you for the midgame, racing and also Boonarius, for that I'd say they are low B tier
-Increased accuracy is good, but I don't think it really outbenefits the other crosspaths, the only reason you go x02 is for the burny stuff, I'd say it's more a D tier.
-Similarly, I think Night Vision Goggles should be C, as the extra camo damage it provides isn't very important benefit, and the ability to hit Phyase is very niche (good, but specific), and most of the time you just get it for the shrapnel.
-Also, bigger radius on the village can come in handy very often, sometimes I a little missplacement, or it being able to reach more towers/farms or even a village to make it reach other towers or farms, I'd say it's pretty ok to be on B
And that's pretty much it, really intresting and fun to watch
Pretty sure that this tier list doesn’t account for skill issues, except for the one where people don’t learn ace micro, or my inability to beat bloody puddles chimps.
@@ethrismelnexc7345 Anyways, the only towers that are affected significantly by skill issue are Sky shredder and IMF loan (maybe A prime as well)
@@genio2509also spectre
@@MythicWiz Even if you micro a spectre as the best player, the extra damage you'll get is minimal in comparison to what Sky Shredder will do or the money you'll get from IMF
super mines making s tier really makes you wonder how many things have changed since release
It’s probably the best solo tier 5 tower
@@ethrismelnexc7345 I would say legend of the night is better
3-2-0 boat is the greatest tower in bloons history
with the standard support
Thank you ISAB for rating every update that is single
Ranking every married upgrade in bloons TD 6 when?
@@GabrielHenriqueFariadeLa-sz6vsCrosspaths should be called upgrade marriage from now on
it's a great night when isab does a 51 minute long video
Thank you isab for spending two and a half hours just to touch every monkey
thank you isab for making one of the bloons videos of all time appreciate it
thank you isab for ranking every single tower in ninjakiwi´s popular tower defense game bloons tower defense 6
Is the glaive lord bad? Yes.
Is it still pretty fun and cool looking? Also yes.
First part aged like milk.
Spectre F tier 💀
Bro that thing is what carries me in my games, 80% of my strategy depends on it and the 2-0-3 upgrade, it's what makes me able to beat expert maps with ease. I still respect your opinion though.
Thank you Isab for doing the thinking for us
good that you're showing mortar towers the support they deserve
Kind of annoyed at the community for not using them. I beat most maps with The Biggest One. It's an amazing tower to super buff.
5-0-2 mortar is super underrated. Whenever anyone talks about mortar it's always middle or bottom path, which are good yes, but top path with burny stuff is just incredible, a nuke that burns everything to a crisp.
Surprised isab didn't put relentless in S after it saved him like 9 times in the past couple weeks
Thank you ISAB for ranking all the upgrades in BTD6 and even putting footage for some of the towers!
I take 51 minutes to poop…
Perfect video to watch
Thank you ISAB for choosing between tops and bottoms so we can make playing not so hard and long
XDDD
Bottom path ace is great. More pierce is B. Centered path is D. Neva-miss and specter is A. Big plane is C.
Monkey ace excels at: global range, ignoring obstacle, damage, while not having to focus on a single lane (unlike the heli). The main disadvantage of this tower is the low accuracy and bottom path fixes it making the tower less reliant on micro. More pierce helps ace to deal with group large groups, but due to already having high pierce it is not as important as for other tower. Centered path make the ace path be independent of its placement but wingmonkey is often a better alternative. Neva-miss is one of my favorite upgrades. I no longer need to micro, just put it down with an alch and watch it shred the mid game. Specter heavily increases its damage and is worth it in my opinion. Big plane, however is too expensive for most cases, but is very powerful nonetheless.
Frag bombs give bomb shooter the ability to pop black bloons, I would put it in A tier for removing its main weakness.
I use moab mauler for its high moab damage and low damage to other bloons. This make it the best tower to pop moab in a bloon trap farm. Put a mauler on strong at the start of the track put bloon trap and rubber to gold alch. I would put them at B tier.
Sauda giving you a free win on all easy map should put her at least in A.
Firstly, thank you for your content, I black bordered all Expert maps and got 100% achievements a while back, so I've been taking a break ever since the Jungle's Bounty vines buff came out, so I may not be up to date as much, however I think you're severely underestimating how good Psi is.
For reference, you can beat almost any Expert Map CHIMPS run using Darts/Subs/Snipers for the first 10/14 rounds, Psi and 1/2 Druid of the Jungle or 1 Jungle's Bounty for the early/mid game, and transition into anything you want for the late game as Psi is very flexible with strategies. I used Psi on most Expert CHIMPS runs as they can be your solo camo tower till R45, got a ton of utility with the abilities and the global range, as well as solo multiple late-game rounds including getting R98 with a single button click.
I also believe people never use a regular TSG if you have access to VTSG except when used with only Support sacrifices for challenges/tests so it should theoretically be down to D or F as it has no actual use.
Again, thank you for your content, you're the main reason I can even play this game.
Thank you ISAB for ranking the monkey militia
Damn glaive lord has been my go to chimps tower for ever
Pretty useful until expert maps :(
Brickell also has some late game viability. She isn't as good as Ezili or Adora for it, but her ability to buff the VTSG when it's on water is pretty good.
cant wait to use these in double cash half cash!
Less than 3 minutes in and my baby boy specter is dumped into F tier.
My baby boy!
I use specter so much lol, it's a pretty good price for full map coverage and pretty good damage. nevamiss is pretty decent early game too with alch buff. I think you may be sleeping on specter
For 21k it's really bad, falls off hard lategame too
It's not as good as almost every other map wide tower. If you like the tower than use it but it makes it harder to save for better towers. Especially if you're black bordering expert maps.
new series idea: use only S/A/B/C/D/F tier towers to beat chimps
Lol rip in peace the glaive lord. I've never had it overwhelmed in an actual game and it cleans up cerams really well. Plus the dot is alright, but not great. It struggles against f-moabs even, which doesn't give it a good reputation for a 40k (I think) tower.
Now you should do a chimps run with all f tier towers.
Love the videos man!
Avatar of Wrath did not get S because it’s not great in CHIMPS. Flavored trades… S tier.
because its so good in what it does that it can be ignored, unlike avatar
The only argument I would make is for moving etienne to A because he saves you from spending 2k on village camo so you can get those beloved 202 jungle drums discount villages
Then use bejamin.
So you'd rather sacrifice a hero slot for a radar scanner?
@pmfcgaming all I'm saying is there is a reason that discount villages are S tier, so being able to get those without needing to buy multiple villages (yes, I know the effect stacks) is a big deal. Additionally, his lvl 10 ability is a great mid game save-up. I think both of those make him great for chimps and most game modes, thus in the A tier instead of B
@@michaelweitzel10 220 radar drums under a 002 discount doesn't even cost that much, and even then, decamo like flare and sns under a discount is still better than using a hero slot for camo detection when you realize there's heroes that can use the slot to its best like brickell ( megamines stacking deletes 80s and 90s ), ezili ( hex does the same but weaker ), jones ( insane synergy with the paa meta ), adora ( easily the best dps wincon hero at 20 ), and geraldo. UCAV isn't also even that good, it's active 1/3rd of the time for a somewhat decent burst, is also quite weak at 20 when it isn't active. The drones are okay and does break bfb and moab layers later in the game but that's about it. Eti is pretty much outclassed as a dps hero with a niche of global camo which is also outclassed by flare and sns.
@@michaelweitzel10 you can just use a hero thats good at DPS to save on not having to soen money on DPS towers though. And youd save more than the cost of a camo village.
now i'm waiting for the tier list of every single hero level
Suggestion for future tierlists - assign a color to upgrades, that will entail which niche of the game the upgrade most excels at. For example let recursive cluster be green background because green means it is best used in races.
So everybody could see at a glance which towers should be shifted up when used in their niches.
Thank you ISAB for ranking how effective everything is as popping the bloons
I'm not gonna lie Spectre goes hard mid game, Spectre + summon Phoenix feels like the easiest mid game save in my life on multi lane maps
Yeah, it didn't get a very fair evaluation, everything A tier pretty much doesn't work on expert maps. You need several cleanup defenses per lane, but you also need a global, spectre is that global, it's a bargain compared to cheap bulk damage per lane
@@RoundShadesexpert maps aren’t about strategies, they almost always have a specific early-game and a lot of strategies don’t work as well on them. But, yeah i agree that spectre should have been rated higher. The main thing is it doesn’t have a good late game becuase it cant transition into a t5 like most towers. This mid-game only use is likely why it was rated low.
Spectre also costs 30k, which for a midgame, is already overspending.
@@pmfcgaming wait, is mid game 20-60 or 60-90
@@ammonbergevin5302 1-40 is considered early, 40-80 is considered midgame, the rest is late. Spectre midgame is just overspending without getting much use of that money spent when lategame hits. A tower within the same price range, savatar, is miles better both crosspath wise ( kb for utility or mid path for range + pierce lategame ) and alch synergy.
ISAB: "I'm going to rank these in their niche"
Also ISAB: Immediately ignores this rule
i mean, with the new Monkey knowledge, grand sabo actually is bad for late game, as the ninjagon BAD slowdown + sticky bomb is way more important than like 1/2 of the bads having 15% less HP
thankyou isab for ranking the monkey upgrades
Thank you isab for putting yourself at f tier
Isab is the flying fortress not specter
Sprockets is surprisingly good for the price in my opinion
Specte in F tier is absolutely wild. Its like my default unit for a lot of the more difficult Chimps maps because it has global targetting and a shit ton of damage. You can just ignore the vast majority of map mechanics because it targets all
I still wish they just got rid of Bomb Blitz’s leak mechanic thing and replaced it with a cool upgrade, like cluster bombs that home in on targets
Alternate title: ISAB being mental and roasting faster darts
The way I see it, shimmer is a slightly more expensive submerge and support but that can be placed on land, so I think it would make sense for them to be in the same tier
Signal flare and sub are so much better than shimmer because shimmer has such a slow attack speed
@@HenryChen-g5k it has a big range tho so if you give it enough track length it can decamo everything.
I don't use signal flare enough to know how good it is tho
thank you isab, for separating the monkeys by how useful they are for you
You should make videos playing with only one specific tier towers, like chimps with only tier F towers.
glaive ricochet and moar glaives that low is absolutely flabbergasting to me, glaive lord ok yeah it's map dependant and dunking on it has become a meme at this point but the other two feel really good for their price honestly
Blooncin is about on par with Pop and Awe. I used him when attempting a 4TC to round 140 and was the tower to carry the game as I waited on every upgrade to purchase.
Yeah it's actually so underrated
Spectator is really good for rounds 50-80 with really high popping power
10:09 moar glave is really good for cleanup and round 63 clean up should be a. Same with glavelord it carried me in chimps with it's clean up
Sprockets are better than double gun
Crossbow master is just as cheap as specter and can solo until 90 on some maps. It also can damage ddts
Although shooting over walls can make specter the better option in some cases
@@manachromeYTtop path boomerang upgrades are really map dependent and are useless/simply outclassed in harder maps
You missed an opportunity to add the rank "I" over S to make "ISAB"
Spectre in F tier, Round 63 would like a word with you. That spectre consistently beats tightly packed bloons regardless of the secondary path. The pierce is even good at later rounds when MOAB's and BFB's are tightly packed
Ikr
bro its 30k dollars, almost every tower at that price point can beat 63
The price tag:
bro a buffed ring of a fire literally does that for only 8-10k while spectre costs 30k
420 glue, 0/2/4 ice, 4/2/0 boomerang (and like 40 towers cheaper than Spectre that can beat 63 and be usefull anyway) wants to talk with u. 'Oh but spectre can solo it on harder maps' - ye but for that price u can buy sun avatar which with brew can almost solo chimps and on harder maps is GOAT on rounds 60-80
Instabil concotion is one of the best 3rd tiers and I would rate as a S to A tier (damage per price is so huge at 80 plus rounds). Glaive Lord is C because on easy maps he can solo into the 80s. The hidden camo feature is also nice and do not forget that this tower can be the only choice for some challanges. I think I agree with 90% of your selections.
Glaive lord is too expensive for what it does, and only works on easy maps
Worst tier 5 by far
Putting brickel and psi in B is insane.I mean below ezili? Forgot this guy sticks to the easier stuff. Apparently Freeplay is more important to how insanely broken brickel is on any map with water and the importance of PSI on plenty of expert maps. I mean she isn't even the best lategame hero, that title goes to Adora
And how many do expert maps often? Freeplay appeals to far more people than expert maps. ISAB, as a TH-camr, has to “sticks to the easier stuff” becuase that’s what the community is interested in.
What. Freeplay is like a million times easier than some of the stuff ISAB has done.
Brickell destroys the 90s so you don't need to go freeplay
@@NoOne-yv2ei You don't need to play on Expert maps to know how good Brickell or Psi is, you can reliably use them on easier maps and have them perform very well. Brickell literally gets mega mines at lvl 10 which is why she's great and psi at lvl 14+ cleans up late game dense rounds easily which is reliable to get before the 90s. The fact they're good on expert chimps maps makes them better than the others to begin with and is fair to rank them higher in their niche. I don't play CHIMPS often, but when I do I typically use Psi (not Brickell much cause water lol) because they're so easy to use and makes late game a lot easier.
Btw I edited this comment when watching this video, so it's a bit all over the place.
Navarch my GOAT.
Also 000 dart is S-tier imo, since it's a forced part of the early game of almost every type of BTD6 run.
Same thing with Jungle's Bounty, as it is a crucial part of a lot of strategies.
Also: Relentless, hello???????????
Ninj top path deserves better ngl.
Bouncing Bullets is A tier and Elite Sniper is S tier imo, since Most Expert maps are most easily beaten through Bouncing Bullets + Elite Sniper feat. Geraldo (or not, also works without him). Elite Sniper has very good synergy and it's just crazy.
He really said ezili is the king of late game
I think 0-3-0 farm should be higher as its one of the best self-paying farms, and 2-0-0 on S tier cuz its the crosspath you use for all farms and the farm you always spam if you go for farms at all
Thank you oh so graciously for this I Suck At Battles
Interesting seeing how this differs from what id say is good in battles 2
Thank you isab for ranking all bloon poppers in btd6
Recomendation, you have completed chims with the worst paths, but now you made own list, so you should probably try completing chips only using F monkeys/Upgrades
Bloon solver my goat fr. Good damage, cheap tier 5 and the tower I always get on my Impoppable runs
Thank you isab for helping me complete my advanced algebra 2 homework before 51 minutes
Thank you ISAB for ranking the monkeys
Nice. Can't wait for the "All cross paths" video...lol
Now beat a game of chimps, using only upgrades from each of the tiers (cannot drop a tower until you have enough cash to get the upgrade from that tier)
Bloon buster is actually stronger for its price now than it used to be. While yes it went from a 100% to 50% DPS increase. The actual flat DPS increase is the exact same. +1 DPS. Or however often it attacks. And now youre prob asking how its better than before. Thats because it now pope 3 layers at a time. Meaning instead of popping say a white into a yellow it pops a white into a green. Making it much slower and increasing how much time it/your other towers have to shoot those bloons.
51 mins of edging… I can’t wait!! 😊🥰
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if chimps gamemode didn't exist (ie. it's feature of disabling monkey money), most aces would definitely be at least A because wingmonkey makes it so incredibly versatile.
thank you ISAB for rating ones all the way to fives.
I think Really big bombs upgrade is underrated and hated on too much. Crosspathing it 3-0-2 allows for a reliable popping power up to round 40 moab and when upgraded to bloon impact it gest a huge spike in power having power to solo round 63. Oh and also WHY GLAVE LORD IT'S GOOD NOT BAD SAME FOR MOAR AND RICOCHET 😭
i think my biggest disagreement is definitely solver. in pretty much any situation aside from moab class bloons, it takes care of anything that leaks out, and fits really well into any strategy where you use a tower with high moab class damage. on longer maps it can almost solo 98 as well (and can with a couple buffs) and for a T5 isnt that expensive either. i definitely would give it at least A but probably S.
Stupid take
This is the kind of content I've been waiting for 😎 HOUR LONG ISAB!!!!
imo laser cannon was a miss. sure it removes purple popping but in most defences that can be substituted by the point in the game you buy a laser cannon. what it adds is a decent amount of pierce good damage and DOT and a safe way to deal with moabs through the midgame. sure it is outclassed by some other mid/early game towers like dbreath and turbocharge but it does also have global range which those 2 don't. i think high c or low b is much more fitting as it beats options like sexpert, icicles and especially neva-miss out of the water. does alright with alchbuff too. it won't carry a defence but it can fill a role well in most cases
I love this but also I disagree with the crows nest ranking it gives you more range and camo detection on a water based tower that is a cheap upgrade considering what you can do with the buccaneer which is probably the strongest towers in the game
Supermines is not S: Lategame its dps is only on par with like a sentry champion max buffed or like a avatar of wrath, plus its boss dps while good only is useful for least tiers and cash normal difficulty so probably just A is good enough.
Legend of the night is also A or B: the LOT while is decent at late game and bossing is nothing special and is better of getting used for vtsg, as the trade of for the portal is worth it in most scenarios.
Saudi should move up because of good ceramic cleanup with lvl 10 and good damage with utility towers and just very easy early game which is kind of her main niche(may be a little biased though cuz Sauda is my favorite hero)
not the worst tier list ive ever seen but it has so many major and i mean MAJOR blunders
what are those major blunders tho
@@MythicWiz druid of the jungle being above airburst for example
@@MythicWiz lemme list a few:
shredder B
spiked mines/balls B
triple guns B
wizard lord C
super maelstrom C
there are others but these are just the ones I remembered off the top of my head
sleeping on the faster firing bomber plane
crows nest + hot shot is good for soloing 0-30, handy for 2tc or least tiers challenges.
I think top path engineer is super good for early game depending on map
Bottom path better tbh
Bold putting Heli Faster Darts in S tier but you do you ISAB
Intel needs S-Tier tbh, so good for bottom path sub and early game OP
Waiting for "can you beat chimps with only F tier?"
Have you tried using geraldo in half cash?
He is worse then Churchill there.
BMA honestly should be F, it has like no niche at all. At best it speeds up freeplay rounds by one shotting the insides. Most overrated tower in the game by a long shot,.
who is saying bloon master alchemist is good? its the worst tower in the game. what do you mean overated? who thinks BMA is good?
@@Pillowcasethegreat It's only really among people who are more experienced at the game that are aware that it's bad. Casual players think it's really good because it usually gets much higher pop counts in freeplay compared to everything else, so they think it's overpowered. I think of it similar to XBow Master, casuals think it's overpowered, meanwhile most experienced players think it sucks.
@@riceyydiceyy yeh because it absolutly destories your economy BMA's like: "whoops zomg money all gone rip bozo u die to bad now"
@@Pillowcasethegreat Chimps mode with bma 💀