The answer is no for me. Educating our people is the answer, where are the incentives for Americans? Foreigners getting incentives we get told we are uneducated and lazy by billionaires. I'm not on these excuses....
Except they're not wrong, much of America is uneducated and lazy. And our educated are often entitled and picky. It's going to take a cultural shift to change that. If we have to learn it from other cultures with a better and more traditional work and family ethic than ourselves, then so be it. When the self-appointed elites have to compete with hard working legal immigrants, when American students can go to other countries to get their professional degrees from colleges that cost a fraction of the tuition, without getting indoctrinated into Leftism, things will change. Believe it.
If you have a need NOW, and cannot find it HERE, what is the solution? Wait and re-educate people and ignore the immediate need? That is stupid in the extreme
@@yissnakklives8866 they can find it here if they'll stop advertising for the job only on certain boards that prioritize cheaper people that can't quit. That's what's been happening in a lot of these companies. Americans don't apply cause they can't even see that it's available, plus, you probably don't need a visa for a dog walker.
@@Well.Isnt.That.SpecialGood. Then the wealthy elites can pay for it with all of the money Congress stole and gave to them. The former middle class is entitled to be rebuilt at the expense of the political class, and give back the legacies that were stolen.
I strongly disagree with Elon and Vivek. My kid went through tough computer science degrees 12-14 hours/day, sent thousands of resumes, finally landed a job competing with H1B1 and offshore labors. In addition, lots of hi tech engineers got layoffs still can’t find jobs. Just take a trip to any high tech company campus, it is Indian engineering campus, that’s fact!
There having plenty of cases where people like your son actually train their H-1B Replacements without even knowing it until it's too late there was a whole special on this on the news about 10-12 years ago
When H1B workers are used to fill junior accountant positions for less than $34k/yr, that's not a "best and brightest" job, it's a job for a kid with a HS diploma and some vocational training. This is a program of institutionalized indentured servitude designed to suppress compensation in any domestic labor market against which it can be leveraged.
I'm a CPA, for 40 years. YOU are spot on! Plenty of Americans to do CPA and Accounting work. I thought Trump was for 'small businesses" which are what made our country great. He's appointing immigrants and 1st gens to take OUR jobs and OUR opportunities for cheap labor while we starve.
And then he has the gall to start banning people who question this, it’s really an unmasking. It feels like Elon took magas side for his own benefit period. He’s acting like a big baby.
At the same time, it's worth it to remember that the policy is still in flux, and compromise is possible; this likely should be treated similarly to competing manufactured goods imported into the US, i.e., with something akin to a tariff. Genuinely keep it to "best and brightest" class jobs, and keep people from abusing it for lower-skilled work. It's a simple change that gets Elon and Vivek exactly what they said they wanted it for while also maintaining an America First policy position. Even for the highest-end work, it should always be more expensive to hire from abroad for a position in the domestic US.
Indian students routinely cheat on exams and families bribe school officials to get their child ahead. Poor, intelligent, Indian kids don't have a chance. H1-B visas bring in Indians who have learned to bribe and cheat their way to the top. It doesn't bring in intelligent people. I don't think Indians have a better system than Americans so why bring them here? I lived in India. We are just compounding our problems with foreign workers. Americans need to fix our American problems not bring in foreign problems. Americans should have a voice and stake in building our country to greatness. We don't want to sit on the sidelines and let foreign workers reap all the rewards. Let Indians make their country great.
Add a $100k/yr fee to each H1B visa issued that goes directly towards funding CBP to deal with the border. I have an inkling that with a different pricing scheme companies will magically find qualified American workers. If companies want to bring in foreign workers for their talents they should be allowed to do so, but it should not be financially advantageous.
Ending the civil rights violations that are the Affirmative Action policies of the last sixty years, and you'll have made a good start. Seriously, they discriminate based on race, a clear violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Great idea. I propose that the American government TAX all the money foreigners send home to their country. This will pay for the services they take advantage of here in America. That money sent back to their home country helps their economy not ours. We need to stop giving everything away under false premises.
So the Federal Government is in on the scam because they get $100,000 for each H1B visa. This is bad news! Trump is not going to want to lose that revenue source. Federal Government is so dirty.
This is exactly right. I've proposed something similar, a 100% tax for the total compensation package of the employee, paid by the corporation. It's amazing how easy it is to find talent once you're willing to pay for it. And if they can't afford it, then they can train someone to do it
Vivek no longer owns a business, so I have to say BS here. Secondly Americans are not losing out.,, my guess is you have never tried to hire anyone in your life at all. Period. People with entry level skills expecting to make six figures in IT… seriously.
I am an executive in the same industry as Vivek. 1. Absolutely Companies see H1B as cheap labor that cannot quit without jeopardizing their visa status. 2. When I was in school, foreign students were given preferential admission with quotas and many times received financial aid including beyond free but paid to attend.
But the Canadian Viva knows MUCH more than you do, right? You are completely correct. Viva needs to go fix his Canada instead of telling Americans what they should think. I've lost a ton of respect.
All lies. ANYONE who wants H1Bs is a traitor. There is PLENTY of skilled labor....they just want to pay slave wages. Go to the gov website that shows where the H1Bs are working and it ain't tech.
Yup. Been there, seen that for 20 YEARS. It's a scam. Its Shxthle slavery. Maybe Elon & Vivek should be jailed for being leaders of administrative slavery?
There are hordes of young American men exiting university with all manner of STEM degrees, but none of these companies will hire them, partly due to affirmative action and partly due to the immediate availability of cheaper imported labor. The wage suppression wrought by this in IT is real; I've taken a 7% pay cut over the last 25 years when adjusted for inflation. Elon would have this system run unrestricted, guaranteeing the highest earners among the America First conservatives will never work again.
Not just young men but older men and those of us that were in the military. I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@@genuineimitation8799 Absolutely and it's the same deal with Vivek. They can ONLY be arguing in bad faith if they see the issue with importing indentured servants in other industries but not theirs. If they cared about the nation and its people they would have prepared themselves for the loss of H1B because it's thematic to making America self sufficient again!
@@genuineimitation8799 for elon im sure, he talked about removing government grants after he had his factory built while actively getting grants for green technologies, spacex, fully funded by government. Its just a position to run corportate agenda for him.
it's kind of amazing that we as American citizens allow this to happen every single time it occurs and dismiss it as, "they're on our side so give them the benefit of the doubt". we have one term with this administration left to fix this problem and accountability/transparency is and always will be the answer that President Trump brought to light in 2016.
We are done Its americans first or get out of our way. Elon wants to build his companies here than hire 1/2 price indentured servants and kick americans to the curb while enjoying the govt $$$$$$$
Frei saying the "establishment" has our backs...our friends. Trump was elected to bypass the establishment...and now he says, nah, that's was just talk.
I want to know what metrics Elon and Vivek use to determine which engineers are top tier. Do they even take US graduates into consideration at all or are they just outright ignoring them?
H1B visas are explicitly foreigners as you don't need a visa to find someone domestically to do the job. The wider problem is the fact not every culture is the same or puts as much emphasis on honest brokering and quality as the US does. India and China both have significant education and accreditation fraud problems. If nothing else, I would put a total ban on visas from non-Europeans until the recipient can prove their qualifications from our accreditation system. A large number of "experts" we're importing are likely not experts at all.
@@MagiKez Yup, you losers really seem to have figured it out. That's why SpaceX, Tesla, X, etc. are falling apart, because they're just taking the lowest paid and lowest skilled foreign labor...oh, wait, that's not what's happening? You people just make shit up and project the problems of illegal immigration onto all immigration.
They don't believe that, they just think we do. Why wouldn't you just set up shop in India if that were the case? Tesla has a China division are they outclassing the United States division? No. not by any metric.
Have you looked at the literacy rates in the USA or the disaster of our current STEM and Liberal Arts programs? We have a lot of "colleges", but people still graduate barely able to do math, or write complete sentences, or speak proper English. And those who do excel, are often nothing but indoctrinated activists. Our educational system has been turned into garbage by the Left over the last 50 years. Going to take a long time to clean that up. Neither our culture nor our institutions will get fixed in four short years. Also, believe it or not, there's value in cultural exchange. All American students should be sent abroad to study so they can pull their heads out of the rear ends and appreciate what they were born with. Hell, we should have a program for adults too. Would do this country some good.
"the amount" Quantity, not quality. They figured out long ago they make more money with *more* students, not with *better* ones. At one time, it was subtle, now it's blatent woke DEI.
The bringing in of foreign born workers to big tech companies also gives those companies the required DEI-based scoring that black rock, and Vanguard have implemented. It’s not about skilled US Born, it’s about being compliant in replacing US citizens!
Speaking on DEI, it actually become beneficial for those companies to advocate for more stringent DEI policy in order to put a self-fulfilling need to hire more 'diverse' employees.
Great replacement is real and happening right in front of everyone.. yet people are too glued to certain areas instead of looking at the picture from a top down perspective..
80k H1B currently and they want that "greatly increased" but just from India. Even though India isn't a top 10 engineering country. They want to lower tech wages. That's what it's about.
@@MiteshDamania from 2021 to 2024, the top 100 US companies' new hires were only 6% white men. if it means not hiring white men they may actually pay the extra fee.
What we have is two rich guys who think of people as easily interchangeable parts in their money-making machines. This is the first time I'm beyond disappointed in Musk and Ramaswamy, rather I find their callousness infuriating.
Wouldn't you also find it infuriating if someone told you that you can't do your job because it might hurt some unknown individual elsewhere? There's gonna be a lot of hurt feelings in this and we may be discounting theirs because they are well off and we are not. We should have this debate, but right now all we have is a screaming match
@@hilkmeister1382 Saying the USA is like a sports team, is a VAST misunderstanding of what a country is. The elitist chessboard thinking shows a bleak misalignment of principles. It's America First, if you can't even get in office before you break that principle, then maybe there is no use for you.
Vivek and Elon claim the foreign talent is so much better than Amarican talent therefore needing H1B visas. If that is the case then why are foreign employees on visas paid LESS when they take American jobs??
I do agree that H1Bs shouldn’t be paid less than Americans as it undercuts them and reduces competitiveness. However, we can’t complain for a decade about wokeness in schools and lockdowns impact on education, then turn around and claim there’s nothing wrong with our education system
@@reinsmanothats just an excuse. There are an incredible number of people who trained their replacement. There is a ridiculous number of highly educated and skilled people who haven't been given a chance because of DEI. If there was such a shortage, then these people should have no trouble finding work, and they should be getting an amazing salary. That's not happening
@@MagiKez It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. If it was an excuse, do you believe woke ideology hasn’t degenerated society? If not, why are you against DEI, isn’t it because the best people lose out on deserved positions? Handing out participation trophies hasn’t had any effect now? I’m not denying there are talented engineers here. I’m sure most of them have jobs already, and for the ones that don’t, I believe they can if we remove DEI mandates and make sure H1Bs are prohibitively expensive for the companies while making the applicant pool more prestigious.
This is not a small issue. If you support unlimited H1B, then you are not America first. You are corporate profit first. You are national GDP first. End of story. First came the waves of unskilled labor to replace those jobs. Now comes the flood of skilled labor to replace those jobs.
Nicole Shanahan posted an interesting thread on this issue on her X on the 26th that described why the system needs an overhaul. One key point she makes is that the system incentivizes people to come here and work tough, grueling jobs at low entry-level salaries because if they're good at their job then they can get fast-tracked to a Green Card and then legal status which can lead to bringing in their families through chain migration. So, removing the incentive of attaining legal status would absolutely reduce the numbers of foreign applications and force Big Tech to hire Americans and to pay competitive wages. Stock values and quarterly earnings are great, but how about being a little patriotic?
Put a tariff on foreign labour, just like we do on foreign goods. Make sure companies can’t have cheap labour from abroad. When they pay the foreign worker the same salary as a domestic worker, then I’ll believe that there is an actual need for that labour.
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@factsoverfeelings1776 Thank you for your service and for posting your story. These tech companies pay lobbyists to get the laws crafted in their favor just like many other industries do. We vote these congressman and senators into office to represent us, the people, but most of them just pay us lip service and when it's time to vote they forget us. We have let our country go of the rails and it will take a lot longer than another Trump term to fix things. It seems like many people are waking up now and we need more candidates that have integrity and are true patriots, instead of these people who go to Washington to get rich and never leave office like Biden, Pelosi, and McConnell. Maybe you should consider it?
When in the last four years, white men have only been 6% of new hires, the problem isn't with finding talent. The problem is in discriminating against talent. So that's where a lot of this outrage at the idea we supposedly need more immigration is coming from.
That Stat is 100 percent correct. All major corporations have said not to hire White as well as the Whites they fired had to train the immagrants to do there job
@@nexuszen769whos getting all the jobs under Biden admin? Hint hint.. its not Americans.. keep ignoring reality while they make America a communist 3rd world country.. is exactly what they said they would do years and years ago while you were ignoring politics
Yeah. He really glossed over the whole part where Elon called us "contemptable fools" that needed to be removed from the movement and how Vivek insulted our culture part. That's what got me mad. We can disagree on numbers and usage, but when you're a newcomer to a movement, you don't get to start talking like that - even if you do rub shoulders with the President. A true MAGA person would ask, if our culture is so bad at producing these engjneers, why are a lot of these grads coming from our universities and maybe if those spots were filled by Americans, and the University system wasn't so corrupt, we would have more American grads. Let's fix that and in the meantime MAYBE use a few visas to cover for the gap if one truly exists.
Too bad. These companies will have to live without temporary slave labor. If these skills are so short in supply, there should be a surcharge of 200% on the salaries.
While there is a single US citizen with an engineering degree unemployed no new H1B1 visas should be issued. As well, until all US citizens with engineering degrees are employed, H1B1 visas should be terminated at 10% a year.
Yes. Ignore how shit that person may be at their job and just hire them. You know, there may be a reason people like you aren't running corporations...
I wouldn't go that far. By the time you're getting to the bottom 10% of any profession, you're beginning to encounter individuals with WORSE than neutral contribution to any project.
The H1B visa is just corporations wanting handouts in terms of skilled labor without investing the time and effort at training employees. They expect candidates to come to them with all the specialized knowledge that they need. They could easily solve this problem by hiring employees with some of the qualifications and training them up on the rest. It's also about trying to lower wages by increasing more competition for jobs. There were around 250,000 tech layoffs in the last couple of years I doubt that there is much of a shortage in talent, they just don't want to pay for it.
You know how i know they are lying? It took me 6 months just to get an interview after the company I was at closed up. 9 months to get a job. Companies seem desperate for talent? Most job postings online were just fake, collect data, sell it ... or have job posting just for h1b requirements. Anyone who is an actually skilled laborer, good luck! Its about a 1% interview rate, 0.1% hire rate.
I agree, however they may be looking for specialists that may cut that pull down to 3600 across the nation. Speculative, and the answer is not to just get specialists from other countries, but train our own. That takes time however and we need to take steps so we don't fall on our face trying to reach that goal.
@@hilkmeister1382I agree, if our government sees there is a shortage of workers in a certain sector they should be incentivizing Americans to go after those degrees. And also to have more children.
@@hilkmeister1382 That isnt what is being looked for. Cashier, janitor, truck driver, etc are among the jobs. And basic tech engineers that we have here. Ppl here have been being fired and replaced for like 20 yrs already.
People haven’t been fighting about everything… most people have been happy… they’re fighting about THIS… to stop any internal discourse and opposition to poor policies then we become merely brainwashed puppets like we mock on the other side…
Considering that Viva and Barnes always says that them complaining about things Trump says is not him going against him but it's to help. It's strange that when we complain suddenly we are ruining things...
@@Untolddead uh yea im pretty sure vivas talking about the way in which everyone has a complete meltdown calling them traitors and somehow, literally not even americans...
@wasdwasdedsf yes HB 1 get Visas and get to apply for citizenship and are hired at lower wages.Jeff Bezo company people on Amazon on strike but being replaced by HB 1 as we speak.Sabby on U tube did a good Job yesterday with also Jimmy Dore also U tube yesterday with others because this has happen for years.Elon,VivekTrump even back HB 1 Visas workers .He said so on his Truth social
I tried interviewing with one of those India companies when my company was replacing all of us with foreign workers. I was young and naive and foolishly believed in "competition". They told me "we don't hire Americans". Flat out. There is no competing with them it isn't allowed in part due to the laws in India and part due to the favoritism given oligarchs in America who get rich from foreign labor legal and illegal. When my sons went to University they doubted STEM degrees for good reason - they told me they saw me perpetually fighting to keep my tech job as an American. All these excuses from businesses and politicians are 100% lies.
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
Vivek's comments were phrased in a way that all but guarantees he will NEVER hold national office. Elon disappointed me greatly by banning anyone that dared to attempt to debate the issues merits. Viva and Barns hanging out with Jeremy (The Quartering) would be must see TV err Rumble.
It's a dealbreaker when you: -flat out lie about how many highly skilled engineers there are -pretend H1Bs aren't being abused 99% of the time for cheap low quality foreign labour -refuse to hear any ideas increase in requirements (pay much higher than domestic price level, qualification verification, etc) -call everyone who disagrees with you even a little racist idiots -imply you're too poor and stupid to understand or you're lying even when you work in the industry and have the receipts -say there's no problem at all with H1B 7-Eleven cashiers taking up that quota -say you're going to die on this hill and won't take any criticism -ignore the climate of the past 30 years of politicians promising to bring down immigration then massively expanding it as soon as they get into office with the exact same 'but its skilled labour' bs (USA, Canada, UK, Germany, Italy, France, etc) If Elon and Vivek want to put their foot down and act like this for this one issue, they shouldn't be surprised when MAGA puts them out on their asses. They'll put Trump out on his ass too if he picks the wrong side. Immigration and wages were the key issues of the 2024 election. Such a reversal would be very costly.
Agreed. The primary reason Trump was elected was to stop immigration. Exploitative legal immigration is just as damaging as illegal immigration, it just affects different people. It all needs to stop. America and Americans first. If we don't have the talent in this country, produce it.
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@@factsoverfeelings1776 Thank you For your Service. You have a point. Iv heard the same story as a Digital Soldier about a million times and strangely enough, not just from Americans, iv heard them many time from saudia Arabia to Russia. I guess we need to stay the course in fighting for our individual countries to make it clear ,its our lives our God Givin SOVEREIGNTY ,brake away from the same road traveled to solve our problems.
An interesting test would be…. what if you submitted same resume, same qualifications except make your name less …uh obvious … and your real resume and see which one gets an interview? You could see you’re not crazy and maybe have proof of discrimination…. I mean, just idea as one of those fun “pranks” them, there young people always do right? 😏 Outside of all that, sending you all good things 🙂
The skilled labor is here… personal experience and many friends, former military, with advanced degrees from the BEST (top 5) universities apply to hundreds and hundreds of positions with no interviews… and the degrees aren’t in “basket weaving”, they are in business and the sciences
We have plenty of skilled computer programmers and engineers in the USA, more people graduate from College than ever with these degrees. Look at what Disney did, replaced all their tech people with the same skill level from India at less money. And look at the list H1B is not just for the highly skilled. So Musk and Vivek are in the wrong and Trump needs to shut this nonsense down .
As a white male engineer - remember conversations with my boss over 10 years ago on the need to hire a lady over a guy. I think we need a hefty overhaul of the education system. On the immigration side, should shut it down 100% and end the green card lottery system. After that sure restart the H1B and see if we can get people to actual benefit the country without undercutting salaries
This really makes me wonder. Remember how like 10 or 15 years ago we would see those videos and news reports where they would send identical resumes with a white name and a black name and the white would get the interview request? I can't help but wonder how that would play out now. Send in resumes with a white name, black name, indian name, male name, female name and see who gets called back the most on average. I feel like we wouldn't see anything close to the results of those old experiments.
Not finding the talent isn't even a real issue. They can pay them less. There are plenty of companies that are employing H-1Bs and having the Americans that had that job train the new employees
The reason this is such a hot tempered subject has to do with how long it has been going on and how many have been affected by it. This problem started to be a major problem under Clinton and has only escalated since then. So while I agree that pushing for change is the direction to pursue, but if they think the solution is to increase the problem then I understand why people would react as they have so far. Personally I have been directly affected by this problem.
My town hosts a Fortune 500 company. In the last 10 years or so, the engineers I work with have gone from 95% American to I’d say 40% American. Lots of “new faces” from South America, India and China. They are not shy about firing American engineers whenever there’s a layoff.
No h1b visas period buy american made and hire american taught if you want a skill here than fund the education sector nor foreigners. It's not just about the tech sector they're trying to replace truckers and many other labour's as well.
Before we can buy American made, etc. We have to BE MAKING. The amount of foreign (Chinese and Taiwanese) products i. Our market is craaaaazy. Even so-called USA beef isn't always technically American. To bring back American products we have to have the factory and farm workers. I'm definitely Not saying they should be imported, but there IS somewhat of a problem finding the right people.... too many Americans are lazy and there's a stigma around certain jobs.
@ohifonlyx33 the only way to stop that stigma and build factories is to start with the process I'm so tired of hearing the circle excuses. Besides if what you're saying is true than we don't need to worry about tariffs and h1b visas there is plenty of money to pay the tariffs and train the workers. If Americans are that lazy than they should pay the price or stop being lazy.
If a house cost 100k and the top paying job you can find at a factory is $13/h then you won’t have people going for those jobs. Those employees do it do de-incentivize the native born workers while saying, ‘we just can’t get good workers’ and hiring illegals or people on work visas who live four families to a house. We have plenty of people to work. My grandma got full retirement from Safeway, a grocery store. Safeway no longer provides a full retirement. No longer provides good insurance. They get the employee they pay for. You want good employees? You treat them what they are worth and treat them fairly.
@@adventuresofaliftime4989 I want to see less overall immigration and ultimately I want to get Americans in these jobs too, so I hope you don't see me as unAmerican. I guess I see it as a temporary bridge. If you're opening a business, you bring in people to train the new guys. For instance, chip making... as far as I know America doesn't do very much chip manufacturing. And it's costly to start a company and if you hire a bunch of people who have little to NO experience making electrical chips, its going to be hard to make good chips. That becomes a barrier to entry preventing the company from ever even starting. But if you have a skilled crew come in to start with, then as more Americans learn the trade, you no longer need the foreign trade. I agree it shouldn't be long term and it shouldn't be financially incentivized.
Great point and addition to the analogy. What Elon has essentially done here is have 120000 people honk their horns at him and say "gee, everyone else are such assholes".
U.S. Colleges are turning out capable STEM professionals. Businesses also need to be willing to hire recent college grads and mentoring them a bit rather than requiring 2 years experience for "entry level" positions.
But they're also not turning out as many as they could be, because a good chunk of those seats are for international students who can pay full tuition, And another, Chunk of the seats are held in safe for females, but not every woman with an engineering degree goes and works an engineering
And that's the other thing that people who are getting these visas, are doing so through these very corrupt companies, and that they just fake the experience
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@factsoverfeelings1776 First, Thank You for your service. Second, I am angry and disgusted that you've been treated this way and for all the other white men as well. I'm so sick of our government and corporate America. I truly feel a revolution coming. People are getting fed up.
We are allowing our boys to think they’re girls and waste their lives rotting minds on TikTok while certain other countries (like TikTok’s mother country) refuse to allow the cancer to take hold. Guess what: in THIS CONTEXT other countries do have a superior culture when it comes to education. Will the Chinese allow a “teacher” to ignore curriculum to instead promote gender theory simply because there’s a union and tenure? It’s time to wake up.
These corporations pay the most taxes and are the most productive. Foreign workers just need to have a double payroll tax, so they are expensive to hire.
Love having a CANADIAN tell us how Americans should operate their immigration policies! A CANADIAN, no less, who FLED CANADA for FREE FLORIDA and is enjoying the fruits of the USA's/Florida FREEDOM!
It isn't designed to drive down wages, it is just designed to inflate the human currency. As we know, inflation takes money from everyone else and gives it to the rich
People who commented on saying "Educating our people is the answer " seem to be missing the point here. Elon, Vivek et al. do not recognize "our people" or national boundaries. According to these people the whole world is one big blob. Everyone who has something to offer must be able to come to USA and Americans must compete with the whole world. What if a guy in Bangladesh is better you in what you do? According to them it is discrimination to deny him that job since we like merit. They see America not as a nation but as an economic zone where people come and go. And they see Americans as inhabitant of this particular zone which can substituted with new Americans.
Totally. Elon is mad because this is how HE got into America and made his millions and now he wants others to come in and make their money like he did. NOT RIGHT!
Yep unfortunately they have been exposed as globalists. Trumps even now making signs that the US and Canada should become one entity like the EU. If that happens, then the whole thing was a scam from beginning to end…
As someone who has worked in a field inundated with H1B1 visa holders, I can tell you the system is being abused. This can easily be fixed. #1) No contracting companies should be allowed to bring in H1B1 visa holders. Only american owned companies should be sponsors. #2) Any H1B1 visa holder that reports violations of the labor laws, and those reports are found to be true, should get a green card paid for by the company, as part of the settlement with the company violating the law. #3) Any H1B1 visa holder who is found to have lied on the application or received their diploma from a diploma mill should be deported and banned from ever returning to the US.
@@sirellyn You are lying. Diploma Mills do NOT produce better students. That is the stupidest claim ever! Was it you or your relative who got their fake degree from a Diploma Mill?
@@MagiKez Ive known several firms that work them 20 hours a day and then dont pay them. If they report this and the company get charged/fined then they should get the green card to encourage others to come forward.
Normally I would say giving the other person the benefit of the doubt is a good thing..in this case No benefit… Vivek and Elon’s true colors have come out!! There was always something off about Vivek
If you trust in Donald Trump then you trust him to do what is best for our Country. Donald Trump is the decision-maker and not Elon or Vivak. We don't need to let people start in fighting with our own party.
Anyone paying attention knew they would disagree with us on certain topics (they are afterall both rich immigrants/sons of). That doesn't make them traitors, unlike people like Romney, McConnel, McCain, DeSantis, Crenshaw, etc. Who regularly confuse our backs with a switchblade holster. Better a public disagreement than a knife in the back.
I think we need to retire the slogan "America First" and replace it with a slightly different slogan "Americans First". There's a big difference in the minds of some people. When the oligarchs say "America First", they mean anything that boosts American GDP & profits, not wages and benefits, and certainly not protecting American culture and way of life and heritage.
More h1b visa works might benefit Elon doesn’t mean it benefits the overall economy and even if it did benefit the economy it doesn’t mean it makes the country better (which is more than just an economic zone). Vivek is just racist.
Trump is not political Jesus and Musk is not in charge of immigration. I'd be more concerned about his establishment picks than the political outsiders who don't share our opinions, which we were totally fine with for RFK and Gabbard.
@@Tazzyone. He is allowed to disagree, just as we are allowed to disagree with him. However attacking him won't change shit nor convince him why so many dislike the h1b system.
@@hilkmeister1382 Especially when for many it just seems that the issue is that they’re Indian and only that. I’ve seen people say they wouldn’t care if the H1Bs were Europeans
@@hilkmeister1382then get him out. We don't need anyone who doesn't already understand the consequences of these actions. Let's replace him with the best and brightest, because the education system must have failed him
Excellent points! I think there is some room for some kind of compromise, but the bottom line is that immigration should serve the interests of the native population, not just the elite and it shouldn't be an attempt to replace them. Also, I'm very disappointed that Elon Musk decided to throttle people on X who disagreed with him on this issue
@@jackhenry290Tell me, what’s the difference? Meet the new government, same as the old government. The only ones who actually seem to keep losing are actual Americans.
Looking at the argument it seems that we don’t need to increase the quota. We need to tighten the implementation. People are hiring cooks at below median wage. That’s not what intended to do.
If H1Bs are supposed to be temporary, where are all the stories of people complaining about training their American replacements and having to go back home?🤔
What I can't comprehend is why in the hell are Elon/Vivek making this an issue when we have so many more pressing issues to get through as a country? Why didn't they bring this up before the election?
H1B should be for rare and high level talents. Majority of H1B these days are used for lower level, lower cost tech workers. These lower level talents also bring business back to their country and drain the US exonomy
lol this is not just a policy issue, it’s about how both Vivek and Elon talked about Americans! You probably have the same opinion as them considering you are a Canadian Lawyer
All US companies should stop works outsourcing from outside US, H1B's for those who graduated in US university's,stop H4 one person in a family allowed for work, all these will result jobs back to US. DOGE is preventing US downfall & migration of top industries to low cost locations & stop china uprising in this competitive world
Viva, once again you are missing the point. Massive immigration is a big and serious issue for lots of people. Asking us to "go along to get along" is fucking stupid.
Not worth attacking them. However I will state the major reason people are angry is the DELIVERY. The reality is they could have just said "Universities have been so discriminatory and subpar for so long, we need to reform and expand H1 visas to buy time to train the next generation" and everyone would be fine. But Vivek decided to attack the culture of everyday America with caricatures and tropes, and Elon got his ego bruised and refuses to even entertain nuance anymore. Disappointing performance, but hopefully Trump can both reign them in and give them a lesson on how to talk to the average American, not CEOs lmao
@@VictoriaMarch13 Worked wonder in my country... You collect Welfare for longer than a year.. The government sent you to work in selected industries.. You worked 3 days to get your welfare.. And those business paid the government.. Not only did it cut the costs of welfare by a billion $ a year.. It was amazing how many people managed to suddenly find work.. So You must be a welfare leech on your country..
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I have noticed that some conservatives online have started to act like liberals concerning this H1B1 issue.
Of course, all these people will leave once their visas expire...right? Of course there won't be any abuse of the system...right? Of course, they can't find this skilled labor pool from inside the country or maybe other EUROPEAN countries...right?
And not investing in making america great again. H1b is like an indentured servant. Without employment they go back. So they will sleep at the office if they have too. Elon is about making americans build the infrastructure then sell them out to half price indentured servants.
@@JasonLS1776 Not moving goalposts, just identifying the multitude of problems. Musk is NOT in charge of immigration. he is entitled to his opinion but when he starts silencing opposition, NOW we have another problem. Besides the fact that we do not care what he thinks about immigration, we supported him as DOGE guy. The fact that he seems to think he is now some kind of GOP overlord is ANOTHER problem.
The answer is no for me. Educating our people is the answer, where are the incentives for Americans? Foreigners getting incentives we get told we are uneducated and lazy by billionaires. I'm not on these excuses....
Except they're not wrong, much of America is uneducated and lazy. And our educated are often entitled and picky. It's going to take a cultural shift to change that. If we have to learn it from other cultures with a better and more traditional work and family ethic than ourselves, then so be it.
When the self-appointed elites have to compete with hard working legal immigrants, when American students can go to other countries to get their professional degrees from colleges that cost a fraction of the tuition, without getting indoctrinated into Leftism, things will change. Believe it.
I agree but there will be a transition period until we can pump out some good peeps.
If you have a need NOW, and cannot find it HERE, what is the solution? Wait and re-educate people and ignore the immediate need? That is stupid in the extreme
@@yissnakklives8866 they can find it here if they'll stop advertising for the job only on certain boards that prioritize cheaper people that can't quit. That's what's been happening in a lot of these companies. Americans don't apply cause they can't even see that it's available, plus, you probably don't need a visa for a dog walker.
@@Well.Isnt.That.SpecialGood. Then the wealthy elites can pay for it with all of the money Congress stole and gave to them. The former middle class is entitled to be rebuilt at the expense of the political class, and give back the legacies that were stolen.
I strongly disagree with Elon and Vivek. My kid went through tough computer science degrees 12-14 hours/day, sent thousands of resumes, finally landed a job competing with H1B1 and offshore labors. In addition, lots of hi tech engineers got layoffs still can’t find jobs. Just take a trip to any high tech company campus, it is Indian engineering campus, that’s fact!
There having plenty of cases where people like your son actually train their H-1B Replacements without even knowing it until it's too late there was a whole special on this on the news about 10-12 years ago
University College London might well be renamed University of China in London in the last decade.
We have a massive shortage of electrical and mechanical engineers, to many kids scribbling code
You mean you disagree with DJT, he already made a statement in favour of the visas, it's a Breitbart top headline as I write.
@@seancollins9745 I’m sure they’re giving H1B visas for those specialties too.
When H1B workers are used to fill junior accountant positions for less than $34k/yr, that's not a "best and brightest" job, it's a job for a kid with a HS diploma and some vocational training. This is a program of institutionalized indentured servitude designed to suppress compensation in any domestic labor market against which it can be leveraged.
I'm a CPA, for 40 years. YOU are spot on! Plenty of Americans to do CPA and Accounting work.
I thought Trump was for 'small businesses" which are what made our country great. He's appointing immigrants and 1st gens to take OUR jobs and OUR opportunities for cheap labor while we starve.
FACTS!
its happening in the UK too.
And then he has the gall to start banning people who question this, it’s really an unmasking. It feels like Elon took magas side for his own benefit period. He’s acting like a big baby.
At the same time, it's worth it to remember that the policy is still in flux, and compromise is possible; this likely should be treated similarly to competing manufactured goods imported into the US, i.e., with something akin to a tariff. Genuinely keep it to "best and brightest" class jobs, and keep people from abusing it for lower-skilled work. It's a simple change that gets Elon and Vivek exactly what they said they wanted it for while also maintaining an America First policy position. Even for the highest-end work, it should always be more expensive to hire from abroad for a position in the domestic US.
I saw an H1B listing for a PLUMBER!!! This is NOT about the “super elite smart people”, it’s about UNDERCUTTING WAGES
Where did you find that?
@@DonnaMM6361YT keeps deleting my post. There is a government website with the job listings that was on a live stream last night by Salty Cr Ah Kerh
@@DonnaMM6361YT keeps deleting my post 🙄 those jobs are listed on a gov website. If you watch 🧂 🍞 it was on his livestream last night
Indian students routinely cheat on exams and families bribe school officials to get their child ahead. Poor, intelligent, Indian kids don't have a chance. H1-B visas bring in Indians who have learned to bribe and cheat their way to the top. It doesn't bring in intelligent people. I don't think Indians have a better system than Americans so why bring them here? I lived in India. We are just compounding our problems with foreign workers. Americans need to fix our American problems not bring in foreign problems. Americans should have a voice and stake in building our country to greatness. We don't want to sit on the sidelines and let foreign workers reap all the rewards. Let Indians make their country great.
@@DonnaMM6361the censorship is off the charts… it is on a gub ment website and I saw it on a livestream last night
Add a $100k/yr fee to each H1B visa issued that goes directly towards funding CBP to deal with the border. I have an inkling that with a different pricing scheme companies will magically find qualified American workers. If companies want to bring in foreign workers for their talents they should be allowed to do so, but it should not be financially advantageous.
Ending the civil rights violations that are the Affirmative Action policies of the last sixty years, and you'll have made a good start. Seriously, they discriminate based on race, a clear violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Great idea. I propose that the American government TAX all the money foreigners send home to their country. This will pay for the services they take advantage of here in America. That money sent back to their home country helps their economy not ours. We need to stop giving everything away under false premises.
So the Federal Government is in on the scam because they get $100,000 for each H1B visa. This is bad news! Trump is not going to want to lose that revenue source. Federal Government is so dirty.
This is exactly right. I've proposed something similar, a 100% tax for the total compensation package of the employee, paid by the corporation. It's amazing how easy it is to find talent once you're willing to pay for it. And if they can't afford it, then they can train someone to do it
@@MagiKez No, just STOP the H1B visa program entirely! No more immigrants to replace American workers.
Elon and Vivek should be challenged on H1B visa. Vigorously. Theyre the ones benefitting from it, while Americans are th3 one losing
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Challenge or attack? Two should not be confused
When I saw an H1B listing for a PLUMBER, it beca obvious this is about bringing back a serf class.
Vivek no longer owns a business, so I have to say BS here. Secondly Americans are not losing out.,, my guess is you have never tried to hire anyone in your life at all. Period. People with entry level skills expecting to make six figures in IT… seriously.
@@BGALUM The US stopped immigration from 1924 to 1964. And we put a man on the moon. We will figure it out
If they can't find workers they they won't mind paying a 100%tariff on their labor cost
True! 👍
Yep. Easy solution. And if they are such high paying jobs, the worker wouldn't mind paying a nice fee when they try to bring their families.
Good argument! To be consistent, the Trumpster ought to impose such a labor tariff.
I am an executive in the same industry as Vivek.
1. Absolutely Companies see H1B as cheap labor that cannot quit without jeopardizing their visa status.
2. When I was in school, foreign students were given preferential admission with quotas and many times received financial aid including beyond free but paid to attend.
I saw that as well in college.
But the Canadian Viva knows MUCH more than you do, right?
You are completely correct.
Viva needs to go fix his Canada instead of telling Americans what they should think. I've lost a ton of respect.
All lies. ANYONE who wants H1Bs is a traitor. There is PLENTY of skilled labor....they just want to pay slave wages. Go to the gov website that shows where the H1Bs are working and it ain't tech.
Yup. Been there, seen that for 20 YEARS. It's a scam. Its Shxthle slavery. Maybe Elon & Vivek should be jailed for being leaders of administrative slavery?
2A ). I witnessed foreign students allowed to use dictionaries during test. They cheated with answers written in the book’s margins.
There are hordes of young American men exiting university with all manner of STEM degrees, but none of these companies will hire them, partly due to affirmative action and partly due to the immediate availability of cheaper imported labor. The wage suppression wrought by this in IT is real; I've taken a 7% pay cut over the last 25 years when adjusted for inflation. Elon would have this system run unrestricted, guaranteeing the highest earners among the America First conservatives will never work again.
I wonder if that was his purpose all along in aligning with trump.
Not just young men but older men and those of us that were in the military. I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@@genuineimitation8799 Absolutely and it's the same deal with Vivek. They can ONLY be arguing in bad faith if they see the issue with importing indentured servants in other industries but not theirs. If they cared about the nation and its people they would have prepared themselves for the loss of H1B because it's thematic to making America self sufficient again!
America has been importing the best and brightest for centuries. This is just a big distraction. Move on people.
@@genuineimitation8799 for elon im sure, he talked about removing government grants after he had his factory built while actively getting grants for green technologies, spacex, fully funded by government.
Its just a position to run corportate agenda for him.
it's kind of amazing that we as American citizens allow this to happen every single time it occurs and dismiss it as, "they're on our side so give them the benefit of the doubt". we have one term with this administration left to fix this problem and accountability/transparency is and always will be the answer that President Trump brought to light in 2016.
We are done
Its americans first or get out of our way. Elon wants to build his companies here than hire 1/2 price indentured servants and kick americans to the curb while enjoying the govt $$$$$$$
Frei saying the "establishment" has our backs...our friends. Trump was elected to bypass the establishment...and now he says, nah, that's was just talk.
If the foreign talent if better than why are they getting paid LESS????
I want to know what metrics Elon and Vivek use to determine which engineers are top tier. Do they even take US graduates into consideration at all or are they just outright ignoring them?
They look at their salary requirements. The lower the number, the higher they judge the talent
H1B visas are explicitly foreigners as you don't need a visa to find someone domestically to do the job.
The wider problem is the fact not every culture is the same or puts as much emphasis on honest brokering and quality as the US does. India and China both have significant education and accreditation fraud problems. If nothing else, I would put a total ban on visas from non-Europeans until the recipient can prove their qualifications from our accreditation system.
A large number of "experts" we're importing are likely not experts at all.
@@MagiKez Yup, you losers really seem to have figured it out. That's why SpaceX, Tesla, X, etc. are falling apart, because they're just taking the lowest paid and lowest skilled foreign labor...oh, wait, that's not what's happening? You people just make shit up and project the problems of illegal immigration onto all immigration.
They don't believe that, they just think we do. Why wouldn't you just set up shop in India if that were the case? Tesla has a China division are they outclassing the United States division? No. not by any metric.
But that's the issue is US graduates are having a hard time even getting into good engineering programs
I’m sorry, but with the amount of universities in the United States I just do not buy this argument anymore
Pffttt… universities exist to teach self-loathing, not actual job skills.
Have you looked at the literacy rates in the USA or the disaster of our current STEM and Liberal Arts programs?
We have a lot of "colleges", but people still graduate barely able to do math, or write complete sentences, or speak proper English. And those who do excel, are often nothing but indoctrinated activists.
Our educational system has been turned into garbage by the Left over the last 50 years. Going to take a long time to clean that up. Neither our culture nor our institutions will get fixed in four short years.
Also, believe it or not, there's value in cultural exchange. All American students should be sent abroad to study so they can pull their heads out of the rear ends and appreciate what they were born with. Hell, we should have a program for adults too. Would do this country some good.
"the amount"
Quantity, not quality.
They figured out long ago they make more money with *more* students, not with *better* ones. At one time, it was subtle, now it's blatent woke DEI.
Absolutely. They don’t care who does the work, just who does it cheaper
You need to look into the “education” our kids are getting from those universities.
Problem is corporations run our politicians
Yep.
Corporations are people that use politicians like all of us would like too. Not saying it’s right, but corps are not faceless entities.
The opposite is true.
The bringing in of foreign born workers to big tech companies also gives those companies the required DEI-based scoring that black rock, and Vanguard have implemented. It’s not about skilled US Born, it’s about being compliant in replacing US citizens!
Also those coming in with that visa do not pay taxes.
Speaking on DEI, it actually become beneficial for those companies to advocate for more stringent DEI policy in order to put a self-fulfilling need to hire more 'diverse' employees.
Great replacement is real and happening right in front of everyone.. yet people are too glued to certain areas instead of looking at the picture from a top down perspective..
starting to sound the same as visa policy in the uk for 2023-24.
DEI is implemented by the DOJ. Check out "Disparate Impact" laws. Will take you to it.
80k H1B currently and they want that "greatly increased" but just from India. Even though India isn't a top 10 engineering country.
They want to lower tech wages. That's what it's about.
@@johnking3724 100%, they don’t want to pay a living wage… same story across American business
@fortmountaingroundpounder They did this to blue collar workers across several industries already.
Facts
Probably they can have them at a 200% additional tax On salary.
@@MiteshDamania from 2021 to 2024, the top 100 US companies' new hires were only 6% white men.
if it means not hiring white men they may actually pay the extra fee.
What we have is two rich guys who think of people as easily interchangeable parts in their money-making machines.
This is the first time I'm beyond disappointed in Musk and Ramaswamy, rather I find their callousness infuriating.
Wouldn't you also find it infuriating if someone told you that you can't do your job because it might hurt some unknown individual elsewhere? There's gonna be a lot of hurt feelings in this and we may be discounting theirs because they are well off and we are not. We should have this debate, but right now all we have is a screaming match
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Saying the USA is like a sports team, is a VAST misunderstanding of what a country is. The elitist chessboard thinking shows a bleak misalignment of principles. It's America First, if you can't even get in office before you break that principle, then maybe there is no use for you.
They are globalists at the end of the day
@@hilkmeister1382 You are wrong. People are mostly debating with facts. You must have a weak ego to be telling Americans to shut up.
@@hilkmeister1382 Not really, I don't have a right to a job in another country. You're making an invalid comparison.
Vivek and Elon claim the foreign talent is so much better than Amarican talent therefore needing H1B visas.
If that is the case then why are foreign employees on visas paid LESS when they take American jobs??
I do agree that H1Bs shouldn’t be paid less than Americans as it undercuts them and reduces competitiveness. However, we can’t complain for a decade about wokeness in schools and lockdowns impact on education, then turn around and claim there’s nothing wrong with our education system
@@reinsmanothats just an excuse. There are an incredible number of people who trained their replacement. There is a ridiculous number of highly educated and skilled people who haven't been given a chance because of DEI. If there was such a shortage, then these people should have no trouble finding work, and they should be getting an amazing salary. That's not happening
@@MagiKez It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. If it was an excuse, do you believe woke ideology hasn’t degenerated society? If not, why are you against DEI, isn’t it because the best people lose out on deserved positions? Handing out participation trophies hasn’t had any effect now?
I’m not denying there are talented engineers here. I’m sure most of them have jobs already, and for the ones that don’t, I believe they can if we remove DEI mandates and make sure H1Bs are prohibitively expensive for the companies while making the applicant pool more prestigious.
The reason is that it is "Always,Always, Always about the money". . . always
America First
Except when it comes to Israel
And having the most talented people in the world here is helping America 😅
@@jackhenry290 "American First means replacing the people of America"
But Americans last apparently.
AmeriCANs first, if we say it enough, maybe we CAN get our leaders to put us first
This is not a small issue. If you support unlimited H1B, then you are not America first. You are corporate profit first. You are national GDP first. End of story.
First came the waves of unskilled labor to replace those jobs. Now comes the flood of skilled labor to replace those jobs.
@@MagiKez it is not unlimited… so there is that tiny detail.
@BGALUM not interested in what anyone thinks who does not know anything about the issue
and if that's not enough, AI will fill any other roles left.
@@BGALUM jobs arent unlimited either, tiny detail
I say they should be forced to pay higher wages to H-1B applicants.
Nicole Shanahan posted an interesting thread on this issue on her X on the 26th that described why the system needs an overhaul. One key point she makes is that the system incentivizes people to come here and work tough, grueling jobs at low entry-level salaries because if they're good at their job then they can get fast-tracked to a Green Card and then legal status which can lead to bringing in their families through chain migration. So, removing the incentive of attaining legal status would absolutely reduce the numbers of foreign applications and force Big Tech to hire Americans and to pay competitive wages. Stock values and quarterly earnings are great, but how about being a little patriotic?
Put a tariff on foreign labour, just like we do on foreign goods.
Make sure companies can’t have cheap labour from abroad. When they pay the foreign worker the same salary as a domestic worker, then I’ll believe that there is an actual need for that labour.
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@factsoverfeelings1776 Thank you for your service and for posting your story. These tech companies pay lobbyists to get the laws crafted in their favor just like many other industries do. We vote these congressman and senators into office to represent us, the people, but most of them just pay us lip service and when it's time to vote they forget us. We have let our country go of the rails and it will take a lot longer than another Trump term to fix things. It seems like many people are waking up now and we need more candidates that have integrity and are true patriots, instead of these people who go to Washington to get rich and never leave office like Biden, Pelosi, and McConnell. Maybe you should consider it?
Retired teacher who could not get hired from kohls - department store or home Depot since I was white .@@factsoverfeelings1776
When in the last four years, white men have only been 6% of new hires, the problem isn't with finding talent. The problem is in discriminating against talent. So that's where a lot of this outrage at the idea we supposedly need more immigration is coming from.
That stat is bs.
That Stat is 100 percent correct. All major corporations have said not to hire White as well as the Whites they fired had to train the immagrants to do there job
@@nexuszen769 in silicon valley that is the number. ask grok.. the very jeet friendly AI
@@nexuszen769then it should be easy to deboonk it. So go ahead, deboonk it.
@@nexuszen769whos getting all the jobs under Biden admin? Hint hint.. its not Americans.. keep ignoring reality while they make America a communist 3rd world country.. is exactly what they said they would do years and years ago while you were ignoring politics
Sorry Viva, I agree 100% with my Americans that say NO.
Yeah. He really glossed over the whole part where Elon called us "contemptable fools" that needed to be removed from the movement and how Vivek insulted our culture part.
That's what got me mad. We can disagree on numbers and usage, but when you're a newcomer to a movement, you don't get to start talking like that - even if you do rub shoulders with the President.
A true MAGA person would ask, if our culture is so bad at producing these engjneers, why are a lot of these grads coming from our universities and maybe if those spots were filled by Americans, and the University system wasn't so corrupt, we would have more American grads. Let's fix that and in the meantime MAYBE use a few visas to cover for the gap if one truly exists.
Too bad. These companies will have to live without temporary slave labor. If these skills are so short in supply, there should be a surcharge of 200% on the salaries.
While there is a single US citizen with an engineering degree unemployed no new H1B1 visas should be issued. As well, until all US citizens with engineering degrees are employed, H1B1 visas should be terminated at 10% a year.
@@robertmccammon9024 so you are saying that person must Move to fill that job? That kind of sucks for them…
Yes. Ignore how shit that person may be at their job and just hire them. You know, there may be a reason people like you aren't running corporations...
I wouldn't go that far. By the time you're getting to the bottom 10% of any profession, you're beginning to encounter individuals with WORSE than neutral contribution to any project.
The H1B visa is just corporations wanting handouts in terms of skilled labor without investing the time and effort at training employees. They expect candidates to come to them with all the specialized knowledge that they need. They could easily solve this problem by hiring employees with some of the qualifications and training them up on the rest. It's also about trying to lower wages by increasing more competition for jobs. There were around 250,000 tech layoffs in the last couple of years I doubt that there is much of a shortage in talent, they just don't want to pay for it.
You know how i know they are lying? It took me 6 months just to get an interview after the company I was at closed up. 9 months to get a job. Companies seem desperate for talent? Most job postings online were just fake, collect data, sell it ... or have job posting just for h1b requirements.
Anyone who is an actually skilled laborer, good luck!
Its about a 1% interview rate, 0.1% hire rate.
Yes, just like what the Publix grocery chain in Fl used to do (hire and promote from within). I'm not sure if they still practice this or not.
Anyone trying to convince you that companies can’t find workers in a country of 360 million is lying to you.
Facts. Especially when they're firing ppl for them, and especially when you can see the jobs that are under discussion.
I agree, however they may be looking for specialists that may cut that pull down to 3600 across the nation. Speculative, and the answer is not to just get specialists from other countries, but train our own. That takes time however and we need to take steps so we don't fall on our face trying to reach that goal.
@@hilkmeister1382I agree, if our government sees there is a shortage of workers in a certain sector they should be incentivizing Americans to go after those degrees. And also to have more children.
@@hilkmeister1382 That isnt what is being looked for. Cashier, janitor, truck driver, etc are among the jobs. And basic tech engineers that we have here. Ppl here have been being fired and replaced for like 20 yrs already.
When I saw an H1B listing for a PLUMBER, it beca obvious this is about bringing back a serf class.
People haven’t been fighting about everything… most people have been happy… they’re fighting about THIS… to stop any internal discourse and opposition to poor policies then we become merely brainwashed puppets like we mock on the other side…
Considering that Viva and Barnes always says that them complaining about things Trump says is not him going against him but it's to help. It's strange that when we complain suddenly we are ruining things...
@@Untolddead uh yea im pretty sure vivas talking about the way in which everyone has a complete meltdown calling them traitors and somehow, literally not even americans...
They want to lower tech wages.Both party's and Billionaires do this and Elon knows this and suspended Laura Loomer X account"
So much for free speech
and do you have the actual cited reason for why that happened to argue against?
@wasdwasdedsf yes HB 1 get Visas and get to apply for citizenship and are hired at lower wages.Jeff Bezo company people on Amazon on strike but being replaced by HB 1 as we speak.Sabby on U tube did a good Job yesterday with also Jimmy Dore also U tube yesterday with others because this has happen for years.Elon,VivekTrump even back HB 1 Visas workers .He said so on his Truth social
I tried interviewing with one of those India companies when my company was replacing all of us with foreign workers. I was young and naive and foolishly believed in "competition". They told me "we don't hire Americans". Flat out. There is no competing with them it isn't allowed in part due to the laws in India and part due to the favoritism given oligarchs in America who get rich from foreign labor legal and illegal. When my sons went to University they doubted STEM degrees for good reason - they told me they saw me perpetually fighting to keep my tech job as an American. All these excuses from businesses and politicians are 100% lies.
Disagree with video. Been on the ground and saw the effects of H1b program.
H1B visa employees are often trained as replacements for higher paid Americans who are then fired.
I thought the purpose of DOGE was to decrease government programs, NOT increase them.
THIS 💯
Lol you thought a new suedo government agency was going to actually decrease government?
thats not a gov program, thats a negative gov program. it would bvring in way more tax money than it would cost
I teach ESL immigrant English. Visas are being abused for low cost labor.
this is about replacing Americans with the excuse of helping others.
Agree 👍
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
Don’t forget the anchor babies they have
Vivek's comments were phrased in a way that all but guarantees he will NEVER hold national office.
Elon disappointed me greatly by banning anyone that dared to attempt to debate the issues merits.
Viva and Barns hanging out with Jeremy (The Quartering) would be must see TV err Rumble.
This h1b1 debate is exposing corrupt bureaucrats and rhinos.
Its exposing Trump too tbh. Not so America 1st apparently
It's a dealbreaker when you:
-flat out lie about how many highly skilled engineers there are
-pretend H1Bs aren't being abused 99% of the time for cheap low quality foreign labour
-refuse to hear any ideas increase in requirements (pay much higher than domestic price level, qualification verification, etc)
-call everyone who disagrees with you even a little racist idiots
-imply you're too poor and stupid to understand or you're lying even when you work in the industry and have the receipts
-say there's no problem at all with H1B 7-Eleven cashiers taking up that quota
-say you're going to die on this hill and won't take any criticism
-ignore the climate of the past 30 years of politicians promising to bring down immigration then massively expanding it as soon as they get into office with the exact same 'but its skilled labour' bs (USA, Canada, UK, Germany, Italy, France, etc)
If Elon and Vivek want to put their foot down and act like this for this one issue, they shouldn't be surprised when MAGA puts them out on their asses. They'll put Trump out on his ass too if he picks the wrong side. Immigration and wages were the key issues of the 2024 election. Such a reversal would be very costly.
Agreed. The primary reason Trump was elected was to stop immigration. Exploitative legal immigration is just as damaging as illegal immigration, it just affects different people. It all needs to stop. America and Americans first. If we don't have the talent in this country, produce it.
Exactly. People need to keep up the heat.
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@@factsoverfeelings1776 Thank you For your Service.
You have a point. Iv heard the same story as a Digital Soldier about a million times and strangely enough, not just from Americans, iv heard them many time from saudia Arabia to Russia.
I guess we need to stay the course in fighting for our individual countries to make it clear ,its our lives our God Givin SOVEREIGNTY ,brake away from the same road traveled to solve our problems.
And then they have anchor babies and the whole damn family comes
An interesting test would be…. what if you submitted same resume, same qualifications except make your name less …uh obvious … and your real resume and see which one gets an interview? You could see you’re not crazy and maybe have proof of discrimination…. I mean, just idea as one of those fun “pranks” them, there young people always do right? 😏 Outside of all that, sending you all good things 🙂
Also without doxxing yourself I would be @ your resume to V and E and asking why aren't you qualified to get a callback; an interview or a job? 😏
I've seen this post twice now...bot?
The skilled labor is here… personal experience and many friends, former military, with advanced degrees from the BEST (top 5) universities apply to hundreds and hundreds of positions with no interviews… and the degrees aren’t in “basket weaving”, they are in business and the sciences
Some people are not getting hired because they weren't born with enough diversity points. The solution certainly isn't to look overseas for diversity
We agree on the problem, they disagree on the solution.
There are more than enough qualified Americans. Elon and Vivek lied to justify more H1B immigrants to take away American jobs.
We have plenty of skilled computer programmers and engineers in the USA, more people graduate from College than ever with these degrees. Look at what Disney did, replaced all their tech people with the same skill level from India at less money. And look at the list H1B is not just for the highly skilled. So Musk and Vivek are in the wrong and Trump needs to shut this nonsense down .
Trump supports them!
As a white male engineer - remember conversations with my boss over 10 years ago on the need to hire a lady over a guy. I think we need a hefty overhaul of the education system. On the immigration side, should shut it down 100% and end the green card lottery system. After that sure restart the H1B and see if we can get people to actual benefit the country without undercutting salaries
Wow. Now that sounds like common sense over the lefties shillin here.Great plan and probably part of their solution.
This really makes me wonder. Remember how like 10 or 15 years ago we would see those videos and news reports where they would send identical resumes with a white name and a black name and the white would get the interview request?
I can't help but wonder how that would play out now. Send in resumes with a white name, black name, indian name, male name, female name and see who gets called back the most on average. I feel like we wouldn't see anything close to the results of those old experiments.
H1b is fine IF they add a tax to make hiring them more expensive
Not finding the talent isn't even a real issue. They can pay them less. There are plenty of companies that are employing H-1Bs and having the Americans that had that job train the new employees
Put a tariff on foreign labour, and the problem sorts it self out.
The reason this is such a hot tempered subject has to do with how long it has been going on and how many have been affected by it. This problem started to be a major problem under Clinton and has only escalated since then.
So while I agree that pushing for change is the direction to pursue, but if they think the solution is to increase the problem then I understand why people would react as they have so far.
Personally I have been directly affected by this problem.
My town hosts a Fortune 500 company. In the last 10 years or so, the engineers I work with have gone from 95% American to I’d say 40% American. Lots of “new faces” from South America, India and China. They are not shy about firing American engineers whenever there’s a layoff.
No h1b visas period buy american made and hire american taught if you want a skill here than fund the education sector nor foreigners. It's not just about the tech sector they're trying to replace truckers and many other labour's as well.
Before we can buy American made, etc. We have to BE MAKING. The amount of foreign (Chinese and Taiwanese) products i. Our market is craaaaazy. Even so-called USA beef isn't always technically American. To bring back American products we have to have the factory and farm workers. I'm definitely Not saying they should be imported, but there IS somewhat of a problem finding the right people.... too many Americans are lazy and there's a stigma around certain jobs.
@ohifonlyx33 the only way to stop that stigma and build factories is to start with the process I'm so tired of hearing the circle excuses. Besides if what you're saying is true than we don't need to worry about tariffs and h1b visas there is plenty of money to pay the tariffs and train the workers. If Americans are that lazy than they should pay the price or stop being lazy.
If a house cost 100k and the top paying job you can find at a factory is $13/h then you won’t have people going for those jobs. Those employees do it do de-incentivize the native born workers while saying, ‘we just can’t get good workers’ and hiring illegals or people on work visas who live four families to a house. We have plenty of people to work. My grandma got full retirement from Safeway, a grocery store. Safeway no longer provides a full retirement. No longer provides good insurance. They get the employee they pay for. You want good employees? You treat them what they are worth and treat them fairly.
@@adventuresofaliftime4989 I want to see less overall immigration and ultimately I want to get Americans in these jobs too, so I hope you don't see me as unAmerican. I guess I see it as a temporary bridge. If you're opening a business, you bring in people to train the new guys. For instance, chip making... as far as I know America doesn't do very much chip manufacturing. And it's costly to start a company and if you hire a bunch of people who have little to NO experience making electrical chips, its going to be hard to make good chips. That becomes a barrier to entry preventing the company from ever even starting. But if you have a skilled crew come in to start with, then as more Americans learn the trade, you no longer need the foreign trade. I agree it shouldn't be long term and it shouldn't be financially incentivized.
@@ohifonlyx33The elites can pay for it. They e been transferred trillions of dollars.
There's a third part of your car analogy you left out. If 12 people have honked their horn at you before noon then you are a bad driver.
Great point and addition to the analogy. What Elon has essentially done here is have 120000 people honk their horns at him and say "gee, everyone else are such assholes".
U.S. Colleges are turning out capable STEM professionals.
Businesses also need to be willing to hire recent college grads and mentoring them a bit rather than requiring 2 years experience for "entry level" positions.
But they're also not turning out as many as they could be, because a good chunk of those seats are for international students who can pay full tuition, And another,
Chunk of the seats are held in safe for females, but not every woman with an engineering degree goes and works an engineering
And that's the other thing that people who are getting these visas, are doing so through these very corrupt companies, and that they just fake the experience
2 years? Try 5 years....
I spent 20 yrs in the United States Navy. Deployed 7 times with 6 of those being in support of combat operations. I retired and upon doing so I took every leaders advice I had received and went back to school. I signed up for a bachelors degree program in Information Technology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a 3.92 GPA and a member of multiple honor societies. I cant even get invited yo a job interview in the tech industry… if the tech industry is so hard up for people and the H1B visa program is so lengthy then explain why us Americans with degrees in tech are being completely overlooked???? The fact of the matter is, the federal government incentivizes corporate America to hire foreigners over Americans and DEI is very liky a part of that process. After all, 1 out of 6 HR departments in the US are told to not hire white men.
@factsoverfeelings1776 First, Thank You for your service. Second, I am angry and disgusted that you've been treated this way and for all the other white men as well. I'm so sick of our government and corporate America. I truly feel a revolution coming. People are getting fed up.
Vivek has slammed American culture, Elon has called us racists. Very sad.
Yep
We are allowing our boys to think they’re girls and waste their lives rotting minds on TikTok while certain other countries (like TikTok’s mother country) refuse to allow the cancer to take hold. Guess what: in THIS CONTEXT other countries do have a superior culture when it comes to education. Will the Chinese allow a “teacher” to ignore curriculum to instead promote gender theory simply because there’s a union and tenure?
It’s time to wake up.
Vivek has sworn that he will import as many Indians as he can, using H1B visas as a mechanism. How very American.
@@SecretCervix Elon and Vivek can run their mouths all they want...until Trump has enough of their sh!t.
@@finalmidnight did he say he aims to import indians?
We have the skilled labor, they just don't want to pay the wages
Not fully true and you know it
A hefty payroll and income tax on foreign workers would solve every problem
Also, from what I’ve been told, there have been over 500k people in tech who have lost their jobs the past 3 yrs. Show me the shortage!
It's about corporate greed. Nothing else.
These corporations pay the most taxes and are the most productive. Foreign workers just need to have a double payroll tax, so they are expensive to hire.
@@logangodofcandy Nope
Love having a CANADIAN tell us how Americans should operate their immigration policies! A CANADIAN, no less, who FLED CANADA for FREE FLORIDA and is enjoying the fruits of the USA's/Florida FREEDOM!
Assuming "best and brightest" is even happening, why are they being brought for janitor positions?
Elon needs his janitors to be the smartest around. He's also getting them cheaper than having to pay Americans.
Going through the H1B database, it does NOT appear to be a tool to bring in "best and brightest" but rather depress domestic wages.
It isn't designed to drive down wages, it is just designed to inflate the human currency. As we know, inflation takes money from everyone else and gives it to the rich
It stagnats wages as well
People who commented on saying "Educating our people is the answer " seem to be missing the point here. Elon, Vivek et al. do not recognize "our people" or national boundaries. According to these people the whole world is one big blob. Everyone who has something to offer must be able to come to USA and Americans must compete with the whole world. What if a guy in Bangladesh is better you in what you do? According to them it is discrimination to deny him that job since we like merit. They see America not as a nation but as an economic zone where people come and go. And they see Americans as inhabitant of this particular zone which can substituted with new Americans.
Totally. Elon is mad because this is how HE got into America and made his millions and now he wants others to come in and make their money like he did. NOT RIGHT!
Yep unfortunately they have been exposed as globalists. Trumps even now making signs that the US and Canada should become one entity like the EU. If that happens, then the whole thing was a scam from beginning to end…
As someone who has worked in a field inundated with H1B1 visa holders, I can tell you the system is being abused. This can easily be fixed.
#1) No contracting companies should be allowed to bring in H1B1 visa holders. Only american owned companies should be sponsors.
#2) Any H1B1 visa holder that reports violations of the labor laws, and those reports are found to be true, should get a green card paid for by the company, as part of the settlement with the company violating the law.
#3) Any H1B1 visa holder who is found to have lied on the application or received their diploma from a diploma mill should be deported and banned from ever returning to the US.
Just END the H1B visa program. We don't need any of it. NONE at all. ZERO. Every H1B visa worker replaces an American worker.
I wouldn't do #3, as honestly the diploma mills can sometimes produce better students than the ones that are mandated to go through woke studies.
@@sirellyn You are lying. Diploma Mills do NOT produce better students. That is the stupidest claim ever! Was it you or your relative who got their fake degree from a Diploma Mill?
#2 makes no sense. Just because they're mistreated by a company, they get a green card? No, they get a green card if they're beneficial to the country
@@MagiKez Ive known several firms that work them 20 hours a day and then dont pay them. If they report this and the company get charged/fined then they should get the green card to encourage others to come forward.
Vivek Pharmaswampy just wants cheap labour. My 10 year old can even make the distinction
Normally I would say giving the other person the benefit of the doubt is a good thing..in this case No benefit… Vivek and Elon’s true colors have come out!! There was always something off about Vivek
Vivek is an anchor baby and he ran for president. That should have been a big red flag but no one seems to care.
If you trust in Donald Trump then you trust him to do what is best for our Country. Donald Trump is the decision-maker and not Elon or Vivak. We don't need to let people start in fighting with our own party.
Anyone paying attention knew they would disagree with us on certain topics (they are afterall both rich immigrants/sons of). That doesn't make them traitors, unlike people like Romney, McConnel, McCain, DeSantis, Crenshaw, etc. Who regularly confuse our backs with a switchblade holster. Better a public disagreement than a knife in the back.
cheap labour to fill in for the next 5 to 10 years, before AI properly takes over.
I'll say this... You can't be America First when you're Americans Last.
I think we need to retire the slogan "America First" and replace it with a slightly different slogan "Americans First".
There's a big difference in the minds of some people.
When the oligarchs say "America First", they mean anything that boosts American GDP & profits, not wages and benefits, and certainly not protecting American culture and way of life and heritage.
I hope you’re not buying this BS. I thought it was
American first?
More h1b visa works might benefit Elon doesn’t mean it benefits the overall economy and even if it did benefit the economy it doesn’t mean it makes the country better (which is more than just an economic zone). Vivek is just racist.
Cheap labor isn't racist.
Truckers, plumber, electrician etc, all are being replaced …. Viva, please stay in Canada.
Trump's credibility is in trouble... His choice of Musk is concerning he's censoring.
agreed, he needs to be careful of what this can do long term for midterms..
Sounds antisemitic to me... canceled. X
Maybe hitching his wagon to this guy wasn’t such a good idea.
Trump is not political Jesus and Musk is not in charge of immigration. I'd be more concerned about his establishment picks than the political outsiders who don't share our opinions, which we were totally fine with for RFK and Gabbard.
@@Thurmanatr16he already signaled that he will support candidates that support h1bs. Not explicitly, but slyly.
If everyone is upset then listen
Funny how elon was waving the flag that americans spoke on election day and have a mandate, but had a fit when we also said no h1bs.
@@Tazzyone. He is allowed to disagree, just as we are allowed to disagree with him. However attacking him won't change shit nor convince him why so many dislike the h1b system.
@@hilkmeister1382 Especially when for many it just seems that the issue is that they’re Indian and only that. I’ve seen people say they wouldn’t care if the H1Bs were Europeans
@@hilkmeister1382then get him out. We don't need anyone who doesn't already understand the consequences of these actions. Let's replace him with the best and brightest, because the education system must have failed him
@@hilkmeister1382your back must be absolutely aching, carrying this much water for a billionaire that hates you
Excellent points! I think there is some room for some kind of compromise, but the bottom line is that immigration should serve the interests of the native population, not just the elite and it shouldn't be an attempt to replace them.
Also, I'm very disappointed that Elon Musk decided to throttle people on X who disagreed with him on this issue
Elon Musk is not about freedom of speech it seems. His true colors are coming out.
How has your H1 like program worked out in Canada?
It's not Canada anymore.
If Trump backs Elon H1 B I and let's Elon sensor Loomer than I am I will not support Trump.
😂 ya ok let’s all give up and let the corrupt take over. This is so foolish
Loomer is a toxic nut!
@@jackhenry290Tell me, what’s the difference? Meet the new government, same as the old government. The only ones who actually seem to keep losing are actual Americans.
*censor*
@@genuineimitation8799 oh stop with the hysteria. This is the media dividing us. Grow up
They want cheap labor. Obviously.
Looking at the argument it seems that we don’t need to increase the quota. We need to tighten the implementation. People are hiring cooks at below median wage. That’s not what intended to do.
Trump even stated that he uses these workers at his properties. I am a staunch Trump supporter but I am questioning him on this issue.
They cant find specialist in the US who will work as cheaply, it’s that simple.
If H1Bs are supposed to be temporary, where are all the stories of people complaining about training their American replacements and having to go back home?🤔
Because they don’t leave after having anchor babies
This is about cheap labor, plain and simple.
Immigration moratorium!
Tariff the companies. If they are really desperate for this labor, they will pay for it.
Use the money to educate Americans.
Fair argument to be considered
AMERICA FIRST.
What I can't comprehend is why in the hell are Elon/Vivek making this an issue when we have so many more pressing issues to get through as a country? Why didn't they bring this up before the election?
H1B should be for rare and high level talents. Majority of H1B these days are used for lower level, lower cost tech workers. These lower level talents also bring business back to their country and drain the US exonomy
It’s not just tech, happening at a fast rate in medicine.
Viva reporting live behind the Maple Curtain. You sir, are doing the lord's work.
lol this is not just a policy issue, it’s about how both Vivek and Elon talked about Americans!
You probably have the same opinion as them considering you are a Canadian Lawyer
Teach the skills in America, Build the Infrastructure in America, Higher American Workers.
Over the last 20 years or so Indian tech people have flooded into Canada who have lowered good paying tech jobs by half.
All US companies should stop works outsourcing from outside US, H1B's for those who graduated in US university's,stop H4 one person in a family allowed for work, all these will result jobs back to US.
DOGE is preventing US downfall & migration of top industries to low cost locations & stop china uprising in this competitive world
No more immigrants. Period. We need a break.
The DOGE brothers were not appointed to make policy.
Exactly!
Viva, once again you are missing the point. Massive immigration is a big and serious issue for lots of people. Asking us to "go along to get along" is fucking stupid.
Because he’s an immigrant
Because he’s an immigrant
Elon is only Elon first ! The biggest paid government contractor. DOGE ELON FIRST
What happened to America first?
Oh its America First, but Americans Last.
All they need to do is keep the program but the minimum salary has to be 300k. That will stop companies from abusing it.
Yes, or start tariffing foreign labour. Put a tax on it.
Not worth attacking them. However I will state the major reason people are angry is the DELIVERY. The reality is they could have just said "Universities have been so discriminatory and subpar for so long, we need to reform and expand H1 visas to buy time to train the next generation" and everyone would be fine. But Vivek decided to attack the culture of everyday America with caricatures and tropes, and Elon got his ego bruised and refuses to even entertain nuance anymore. Disappointing performance, but hopefully Trump can both reign them in and give them a lesson on how to talk to the average American, not CEOs lmao
You can bet Trump is getting an ear full and then some!
Viva this whole "skilled labor" scheme is exactly what happened in Canada. How did it go? I notice you've left the country..
Elon is NOT Co-Prez.....Bite me!
Both Elon and vavic we’re hired as DOGE. Stay in their lane
Who will pick the food in the fields.... Americans on welfare..... theres millions of them available to work..
That's a stupid take on this issue.
@@VictoriaMarch13 Worked wonder in my country... You collect Welfare for longer than a year.. The government sent you to work in selected industries.. You worked 3 days to get your welfare.. And those business paid the government.. Not only did it cut the costs of welfare by a billion $ a year.. It was amazing how many people managed to suddenly find work.. So You must be a welfare leech on your country..
I have noticed that some conservatives online have started to act like liberals concerning this H1B1 issue.
Of course, all these people will leave once their visas expire...right? Of course there won't be any abuse of the system...right? Of course, they can't find this skilled labor pool from inside the country or maybe other EUROPEAN countries...right?
Viva "I don't trust any of the COVID experts" Frei instructing us to trust the tech experts when it comes to the need for H1B Visas.
This why I'm glad I'm not on Twitter,
This is NOT mainly about H1B, this is about the CENSORSHIP that Musk is doing.
Moving the goal posts
And not investing in making america great again. H1b is like an indentured servant. Without employment they go back. So they will sleep at the office if they have too.
Elon is about making americans build the infrastructure then sell them out to half price indentured servants.
@@JasonLS1776 Not moving goalposts, just identifying the multitude of problems. Musk is NOT in charge of immigration. he is entitled to his opinion but when he starts silencing opposition, NOW we have another problem. Besides the fact that we do not care what he thinks about immigration, we supported him as DOGE guy. The fact that he seems to think he is now some kind of GOP overlord is ANOTHER problem.
It is definitely also about ppl having their jobs replaced.
...That's some ego Elons got there for sure ...but the person who makes the final decision is President Trump,...that's fine with me ...😊