I've recently learned that the mon like Lunatone, Beautifly, and girafirig are all old swarm mon. They're definitely rares. If you see an old mon that isn’t on this tierlist- it was an old swarm mon and its rare asf. ALSO, Snorlax is a special case and retains value because of clout. I was mistaken in saying otherwise.
Had someone I met ingame tell me that some of my poke are probably rare, I have a 2013 Clefairy from when I started among quite a few of those. Kinda nice to see.
Not only is this video WILDLY helpful and informative, its also entertaining and charming. Its also SUPER impressive to me that someone newer to the game learned so much about its history so quickly and so accurately. Amazing stuff rocket (as per usual).
@@patrouski Thank you dude 🙏 I originally got interested in investing in old markets from your mentioning of 2012 mon, and the occasional 2012 snipes you’d do on streams/recaps. Ever since I’ve fallen head first into learning about rare/old mon, and the history behind them. I’ve been avidly collecting 2012-2014 mon, no OT mon, no longer possible to be caught at lvl ‘x’ mon, North Pole mon, and so much more. I love this stuff
I really enjoyed this vid, I've been collecting 2013s for the last 12 months and have an entire alt full but had an eye on 12 13 and 14 mons for a while now. I'd love to have a chat with you some time about my experience of the market and a couple things that weren't mentioned that people might not know.
That’d be amazing clarko. I’ve been investing in these markets for a few months now, and have picked up some pretty amazing mon. I’d love to talk to you about your experience. How can I get in contact with you? Discord?
Would be interesting for someone to set up an 'oldmon' database on the forums similar to the shiny existence thread. It's funny, the Altering Cave stuff. One of the things I ended up finding after rummaging through my old accounts was a 2014 Bagon with an Altering Cave catch location, with my OT. Guessing I gave it to an alt to do a region run with and boxed it before it could level up enough to evolve, and forgot about it. A lot of the time you're gonna find those hatched because people would catch those from Altering Cave and immediately breed them to get DDance, similar story with the Larvitar line. I may or may not be partially responsible for Lotads not showing up, there was a brief bit where someone was listing a bunch of Lotads, I snagged all of them. There were 6 of them listed, cheapest was 15k and the most expensive was around 40k, I sold one off about a month-ish ago and have kept the other 5, alongside one with my personal OT. Got those around the same time I snagged a 2012 Carvanha and Sableye for 150k each, some of the few snipes I could say were probably really good investments. . . . A lot of the time if a pokemon doesn't have a catch location in the current Kanto dex, that most likely means they were either part of a swarm (either a normal swarm or an event swarm), or they had their old catch location removed from the game. Corsola's a pretty notable example of that, Corsola used to be available as a fishing mon at Vermillion (it is at other locations in Kanto but this was the one that got taken out), and the reason I remember that was because I was fishing for them to get red shards in 2015 (which were around 25k - 30k back then) and came across a shiny Shellder. I don't know when they removed them, there might be an old changelog on the forum somewhere about pokemon location changes, but I dunno.
Someone made a 2012 oldmon dex on the forums years ago, but it's only the original 150, so all of the altering cave mon + bonus swarm mon aren't in their collection. The bagon thing is very interesting. I have noticed the only 2014s of Bagon I've seen are all hatched, so that makes sense. Your carvahna and sableye investments are definitely big Ws. especially the sableye. It's interesting you mention Corosla. It's a lure encounter nowadays, but I haven't seen any old one from sub 2014. I appreciate you sharing your insight on the matter. I very much respect your opinion on these matters as when I think of PokeMMO investors/old players- you come to mind. Thanks for sharing dude
I was buying plant breeders and accidentally bought 2 2013 hoppips for about $2.5k/each :D didn’t even think about how this would be a rarer find back then heh
duuuude thats sick. youre set. someone just listed two 2013s for 1m and 5m. I think 5m might be fair for it, but that 1m is definitely underlisted. It's one of the rarest old mons. A 2012 shuckle would be worth several dozen mil
@@RocketPokeMMO yeah also i have a full box of 2013 xd all my with ot , and a few of the rarest so probably i will be selling a few 😜 thanks for the video!
@@Tomm333e np dude! as an investor of these old mon, i found it difficult to learn whats worth what, which is why I made this vid. Glad it helped someone else!
with those stats- id say 2m+ depending on the nature. For reference- there are currently 3 2012 spindas. 1 for 3mil, 1 for 3.5mil, and the other for 4.2mil, but they're all mid stats/nature. There's a 2013 for 20mil, but thats an outlier. I've seen 2014 spindas for for a mil, but if yours is goated with the sauce- it's definitely worth 2mil+, perhaps more depending on how good it is, and if it's wild caught
Hey Rocket My friend commented about his warotrle I also have a murkrow 2013 what would it be worth we are still really new to pokemmo Thank you. If you wanna buy any of the two lmk
a murkrow from 2012 is posted for 36mil and a 2013 is posted for 1mil right now. It's hard to price mon when there's so little of them. I'd say a 2013 murkrow is definitely worth 1m+. A good way to get a rough idea is look at the entire 2012/2013 market and compare the mon listings. I'm saving for the event, and already have a lot of mon from back then so I'll pass for now, but thank you for the offer. I've got my eyes on other mon I don't currently have
All my Altering Cave mons are from 2013. I got one shuppet from 2012. Then I have a box full of rare/common 2012s and a box of 2013s I got a 2012 Magmar I had quite a bit of feebas but i sold for cheap ffs. Only got a milotic from 2012
@@RocketPokeMMO Shame that I don't know the prices of all the stuff. I made a reddit post on the Pokemmo forums about an hour ago if you wanna check them out. I got screenshots of my boxes on there
@@TyrantSong I don't have a reddit account, but if you have discord feel free to join our server, and dm me. I can give you price estimates. The best way to tell is to just check current listings. I know it can get hard if you have giga rares and there's no comparables. Discord: discord.gg/JrTNPhFu
@@RocketPokeMMO interesting i notice i have a few of the giga rare ones like shuckle sableye unown magmar and slugma plus more not a ton but a decent amount
@@Dubious-Z a lot of shuckles actually went up after this vid. guess it made them come out the woordworks. havent seen the magmar and slugma youre referring to
desirability definitely plays into things, but trust me- rarity is very important- especially to collectors like myself. Something only has value if there is a lackluster supply, and a market of people who hold it to a high value. Old rare mon meet both of those criteria. The 2012 market wouldnt be so pricey if that wasn't the case.
@@RocketPokeMMO yes it is important, i'm collecting for a year now, and you can see pokemons like pikachu are so common but still maintain decent price. But i only collect first gen pokes, i don't pay much attention to the others.
@@tempzin1 fair enough. I personally am trying to get one of every old mon that was possibly available. The coolest one I've seen is a 2012 cacnea. Never seen another one of those, especially from 2012
I didn't realise that I have quite a few of these that are considered rare multiple unowns sableye skarmory ect Anyone interested in any of these? Great content thankyou
I've recently learned that the mon like Lunatone, Beautifly, and girafirig are all old swarm mon. They're definitely rares. If you see an old mon that isn’t on this tierlist- it was an old swarm mon and its rare asf. ALSO, Snorlax is a special case and retains value because of clout. I was mistaken in saying otherwise.
Had someone I met ingame tell me that some of my poke are probably rare, I have a 2013 Clefairy from when I started among quite a few of those. Kinda nice to see.
@@SeVzPlays Yea dude 2013 Clefairy is RARE ASF. I'm jelly
Not only is this video WILDLY helpful and informative, its also entertaining and charming. Its also SUPER impressive to me that someone newer to the game learned so much about its history so quickly and so accurately. Amazing stuff rocket (as per usual).
@@patrouski Thank you dude 🙏 I originally got interested in investing in old markets from your mentioning of 2012 mon, and the occasional 2012 snipes you’d do on streams/recaps. Ever since I’ve fallen head first into learning about rare/old mon, and the history behind them. I’ve been avidly collecting 2012-2014 mon, no OT mon, no longer possible to be caught at lvl ‘x’ mon, North Pole mon, and so much more. I love this stuff
I really enjoyed this vid, I've been collecting 2013s for the last 12 months and have an entire alt full but had an eye on 12 13 and 14 mons for a while now. I'd love to have a chat with you some time about my experience of the market and a couple things that weren't mentioned that people might not know.
That’d be amazing clarko. I’ve been investing in these markets for a few months now, and have picked up some pretty amazing mon. I’d love to talk to you about your experience. How can I get in contact with you? Discord?
I have a vague memory of being able to catch Lunatone at treasure beach on 1 island back in the day
Fr? Thats amazing to hear! Thank you for shedding light on that mystery! I’ll keep that in mind going forward
Would be interesting for someone to set up an 'oldmon' database on the forums similar to the shiny existence thread.
It's funny, the Altering Cave stuff. One of the things I ended up finding after rummaging through my old accounts was a 2014 Bagon with an Altering Cave catch location, with my OT. Guessing I gave it to an alt to do a region run with and boxed it before it could level up enough to evolve, and forgot about it. A lot of the time you're gonna find those hatched because people would catch those from Altering Cave and immediately breed them to get DDance, similar story with the Larvitar line.
I may or may not be partially responsible for Lotads not showing up, there was a brief bit where someone was listing a bunch of Lotads, I snagged all of them. There were 6 of them listed, cheapest was 15k and the most expensive was around 40k, I sold one off about a month-ish ago and have kept the other 5, alongside one with my personal OT.
Got those around the same time I snagged a 2012 Carvanha and Sableye for 150k each, some of the few snipes I could say were probably really good investments.
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A lot of the time if a pokemon doesn't have a catch location in the current Kanto dex, that most likely means they were either part of a swarm (either a normal swarm or an event swarm), or they had their old catch location removed from the game.
Corsola's a pretty notable example of that, Corsola used to be available as a fishing mon at Vermillion (it is at other locations in Kanto but this was the one that got taken out), and the reason I remember that was because I was fishing for them to get red shards in 2015 (which were around 25k - 30k back then) and came across a shiny Shellder. I don't know when they removed them, there might be an old changelog on the forum somewhere about pokemon location changes, but I dunno.
Also, I still have my original 2012 Aero, 31 Attack & Speed and a Hasty nature, I use it as a part of my Gym Rerun team
Someone made a 2012 oldmon dex on the forums years ago, but it's only the original 150, so all of the altering cave mon + bonus swarm mon aren't in their collection. The bagon thing is very interesting. I have noticed the only 2014s of Bagon I've seen are all hatched, so that makes sense. Your carvahna and sableye investments are definitely big Ws. especially the sableye. It's interesting you mention Corosla. It's a lure encounter nowadays, but I haven't seen any old one from sub 2014. I appreciate you sharing your insight on the matter. I very much respect your opinion on these matters as when I think of PokeMMO investors/old players- you come to mind. Thanks for sharing dude
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ty fellow shuckle owner
I was buying plant breeders and accidentally bought 2 2013 hoppips for about $2.5k/each :D didn’t even think about how this would be a rarer find back then heh
OMG LUCKY. those are rare asf
I have a 2012 adamant OT cacnea, banette and hoothoot that could be worth a penny or two. And My Naive 31spatk starter Boomerzard
bro I didnt even know cacnea was available back then. That’d definitely a giga rare.
Shiny Pidgey when ?
ridiculous
Where can I send you a video to add to your data?
@@fooff1 Discord works. This is our community PokeMMO Discord that I stream in every day. You can find me in there and dm me: discord.gg/7zmhpSZ7g3
i have a 2013 shukle with my OT :P
duuuude thats sick. youre set. someone just listed two 2013s for 1m and 5m. I think 5m might be fair for it, but that 1m is definitely underlisted. It's one of the rarest old mons. A 2012 shuckle would be worth several dozen mil
@@RocketPokeMMO yeah also i have a full box of 2013 xd all my with ot , and a few of the rarest so probably i will be selling a few 😜 thanks for the video!
@@Tomm333e np dude! as an investor of these old mon, i found it difficult to learn whats worth what, which is why I made this vid. Glad it helped someone else!
Can i ask about a 2014 spinda how rare it is? It has decent stats 30x2 and 20+ on other's
with those stats- id say 2m+ depending on the nature. For reference- there are currently 3 2012 spindas. 1 for 3mil, 1 for 3.5mil, and the other for 4.2mil, but they're all mid stats/nature. There's a 2013 for 20mil, but thats an outlier. I've seen 2014 spindas for for a mil, but if yours is goated with the sauce- it's definitely worth 2mil+, perhaps more depending on how good it is, and if it's wild caught
Hey Rocket My friend commented about his warotrle I also have a murkrow 2013 what would it be worth we are still really new to pokemmo Thank you.
If you wanna buy any of the two lmk
a murkrow from 2012 is posted for 36mil and a 2013 is posted for 1mil right now. It's hard to price mon when there's so little of them. I'd say a 2013 murkrow is definitely worth 1m+. A good way to get a rough idea is look at the entire 2012/2013 market and compare the mon listings. I'm saving for the event, and already have a lot of mon from back then so I'll pass for now, but thank you for the offer. I've got my eyes on other mon I don't currently have
All my Altering Cave mons are from 2013. I got one shuppet from 2012. Then I have a box full of rare/common 2012s and a box of 2013s
I got a 2012 Magmar
I had quite a bit of feebas but i sold for cheap ffs. Only got a milotic from 2012
dude you're STACKED wtf. I'm mad jealous
@@RocketPokeMMO Shame that I don't know the prices of all the stuff. I made a reddit post on the Pokemmo forums about an hour ago if you wanna check them out. I got screenshots of my boxes on there
@@TyrantSong I don't have a reddit account, but if you have discord feel free to join our server, and dm me. I can give you price estimates. The best way to tell is to just check current listings. I know it can get hard if you have giga rares and there's no comparables. Discord: discord.gg/JrTNPhFu
Nice Thumbnail lmao
LMAO no shot
Just checked one of my characters and i have a 2013 absol any idea on what that might be worth?
hard to say. I've only ever seen one others, and its mine. I'd argue mine is worth several dozen mil bc it's comp ready. At least over 10mil
@@RocketPokeMMO interesting i notice i have a few of the giga rare ones like shuckle sableye unown magmar and slugma plus more not a ton but a decent amount
@@Dubious-Z a lot of shuckles actually went up after this vid. guess it made them come out the woordworks. havent seen the magmar and slugma youre referring to
@@Dubious-Z there are also no unown at all. very little sableyes
@@RocketPokeMMO i have a slugma and magmar unown anf sableye in my pc i meant sorry also have a cacnea misdrevous and carvana plus a few others
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me feeling rich with my ditto catcher pineco from 2012
thats actually so clean wtf
@@RocketPokeMMO Ty sir. I couldnt believe when I saw the stats and bought it
@@PedroHenrique-vs3mf thats gotta be worth a fortune
I have a full box of rarest giga rares 2013's including a absol and a kangaskhan
I also have a 2x31 flareon from 2013
I think rarity is important, but not that much if the pokemon is not desirable.
desirability definitely plays into things, but trust me- rarity is very important- especially to collectors like myself. Something only has value if there is a lackluster supply, and a market of people who hold it to a high value. Old rare mon meet both of those criteria. The 2012 market wouldnt be so pricey if that wasn't the case.
@@RocketPokeMMO yes it is important, i'm collecting for a year now, and you can see pokemons like pikachu are so common but still maintain decent price. But i only collect first gen pokes, i don't pay much attention to the others.
@@tempzin1 fair enough. I personally am trying to get one of every old mon that was possibly available. The coolest one I've seen is a 2012 cacnea. Never seen another one of those, especially from 2012
@@RocketPokeMMO That would be an awesome living dex, Good luck.
This vid let me know just in time, cuz i just sniped a 2013 wartortle with a 31 att IV for 7k
thats worth bank. At least 300k-1m rn. Not a lot of kanto starters from 2012/2013 that arent fully evolved yet
This video needs more views to increase the hype for old Pokemons so the prices can increase...Ig you Wanna sell your collection 😆
kekw. im here for it- I'm picking these things up left and right
Hello!!i have a gyarados adamant from 2012 and i have also some others like pineco gastly snorlax if someone want we can make some deals
I didn't realise that I have quite a few of these that are considered rare multiple unowns sableye skarmory ect
Anyone interested in any of these?
Great content thankyou