This is from "Kings of the Sun". In late '63, I had just turned 13. It was cold out even at 11 am (in Wyoming), and all I had was $1.50. I could not go home until that night, so I convinced the theater that I was still 12 and got in for $1. I sat there in the warmth and watched that movie 4 times in a row. With $.50 for popcorn, I finally left after 7 pm. I loved that movie (and the 8 hours of warm).
Great story Frank. I probably saw it the same time as you had. A great movie and Yul Brenner was excellent. Hard to believe Richard Baseheart was in it.
I saw it reissued in 68-69. I think my parents or someone older paid about the same. Great time being a kid . And I and my brothers were 8 /10 to 11 too. The hotdogs , popcorn and soda were great too
Might not be the most historically accurate, but probably has some of the best tactics for actually fighting. The Mayan army maintains their formation, using the fire to both slow down the enemy to allow the archers time to lay into them, and breaking up the enemy formation, turning what could have been a devastating charge into a sloppy and drawn out push.
Yes, he was a standard Hollywood actor, while most of the other people seen were probably extras from Mexico or Central America. It was a good movie, though. Yul Brynner was in it too.
Actually, Chichimecas routinely interfered with all of Mesoamerican cultures, especially during the Toltec Era. In fact, Chichen Itza was probably colonzied by some of them.
@@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761 Colonized. You are just speculating without any knowledge of Mexican history. For your information the chichimecssas were a hunter-gather small bands without any social structure
@@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761 Besides in the maya archeologic récords there is no récords of chichimeca settlers in the Maya empire. Inform yourself and then white comments you ignorant gringo
@@samuelvarela8265 You literally have a gringo first name and likely have no family in Mexico, lmfao. Just from your comment, clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.
Back in the sixties, we had a program called the " Big Show" on CBS. Would air every weekday night at 5 pm, interrupted halfway through by Walter Cronkite then conclude after the news. That was the last time I saw this movie. Amazed were people keep coming up with this stuff.
"Kings of the Sun" - A great adventure movie back in the early 1960's. I really enjoyed this one at the theatre when it premiered, then got to see it on TV a few more times after that.
Yeah, the Chichimec force seems to be wielding iron macuahuitl for some reason. Even if this was post-Spanish involvement they wouldn't have been given iron or taught how to make cleaver/swords. Mesoamerican tribes made up the bulk of Spanish forces even before they took on the Aztecs, but they were never given modern weapons or training, they were used as basic muscle.
It was part of the story in the beginning of the movie that a general armed his men with weapons made from the newly discovered metal that's why the new kings with his priest and soldiers were defeated and ran away to a new land until the general caught up with them hince why the battle also if you look closely the metal blades are suppose to be copper but are obviously copper painted iron machete movie set props
@@borgyoh So? Mesoamericans never went through a bronze age and copper is far too soft for a decent battlefield weapon. Obsidian edges were brittle, but the macuahuitl was more like a chainsaw - break a tooth and just replace it.
Even had steel sound effects for the duel. Swords would have been wood with bits of obsidian stuck in it. Looks like one side had a club like this but it looks like they were trying to show one side with more advanced weapons? Don't know - total 1960s Hollywood here.
@@ericboyle8296 Yeah, those clubs with obsidian were called macuahuitl (I looked it up). Considering how sharp the obsidian shards were, it was probably a nasty weapon in its own right.
The chichimeca and Mayan maybe never fought against one another because they lived on different territories, but chichimeca warriors have a very interesting history they fought the Spanish and defeated them ,even the Aztecs fear they guerrilla tactics, but they were also warriors for hire for many times
Que barbaro! La batalla mas real que eh visto en este 2021,el cine de antes es una joya comparado con el cine actual en donde se utilizan imagenes digitales.
Así es 👍 hicierón una mezcolanza bien loca en esta película 😂😂😂 los guerreros de penachos hacía arriba corresponden a los bajorrelieves que hicieron los egipcios de los filisteos
DJSbro I wouldn't think so,in many cases that is true particularly in the middle age europe,but in the context of this movie KiNGS OF THE SUN the army on the beach was trying to wipeout the otherside.Not really much is known about mesoamerican warfare ,but capture for human sacrifice seems to have been a huge motivator, which means although killing the enemy was not of huge importance however it was definitely more than a game.
@@williampaz2092 Oh thank you, I didn't know that. Im not a big professional when it's outside of the of European and Asian warfare. But still, I would probably do some friendly kill in this scenario...
@@williampaz2092 there are no Incas here, just chichimecas against mayans. chichimecas (nomadic barbarians from el Bajio and forward north of Mexico) and purepechas (now Michoacan state) were the only 2 civilizations with metal weapons
well.. they use banners... for the chichimecas the didnt use uniform so was an army full of shields, some warrior hats and weapons.., mayans have usually a pelt armor something like that.. but it depends of the type of warrior and class posistion in their society... many mayans lived in cities-state.. and some chichimecas tribe went down to Mesoamerica trying to invade and sack the souther nations... that is why the Aztecs had armies ready to counter attack em.
Our very own (Greek) George Chakiris as Balam...the son of the local Mayan king! Impressive! As for the movie itself....eat your heart out "Apocalypto"!
the spanish were defeated several times, they only won with the help of an equal amount of Tlaxcalteca and other allied forces. Plus cutting off all entrances and exits to Tenochtitlan. On their own they were squashed like a bug.
more than.. 100k... they were rounding the 150k. when the conquistadores took Moctezuma.. Cuitlahuac a prince and one brother of the Emperor recalled all the mexica army just laying one or two to defend the north from chichimecas and purepechas. Even Cuitlahuac asked help to his enemies.. Purepechas trying to expel the invaders.. few nations came to help aztecs in exchange of freedom.. but they were doomed...
@@jenaroayala5731 maybe because they were few? Cortez secretly hide the info about the Aztecs and their wealth on the Empire, now imagine if Cortez will sent a letter along with gold as evidence to the Emperor about the Aztecs gold wealth. Aztecs would surely lose against the might of Spanish empire.
You see, even the ancient Mayans would not tolerate foreigners illegally crossing into their territory. A bit hypocritical of their descendants some five or six hundred years later, huh?
Strange ; some of these soldiers die with an arrow in their back allthough they attack frontal...face to face...they must have been shot by boomerang arrows.
Jeez all the educated historians here it’s a fun stupid movie to watch I’m sure they are commenting on space monster movies finding. Them off historically incorrect relax eat some popcorn and enjoy the flick it wasn’t meant for the history channel
The role of the ancient Mayans is so white washed because if you look at the paintings on the stone murals the Mayans appeared as dark skinned and darker brown people
Es imposible un encuentro asi lo más cercano a esto es que creo que sí hubo enfrentamientos entre el imperio tarasco, azteca contra algunas tribus chichimecas del norte
This is from "Kings of the Sun". In late '63, I had just turned 13. It was cold out even at 11 am (in Wyoming), and all I had was $1.50. I could not go home until that night, so I convinced the theater that I was still 12 and got in for $1. I sat there in the warmth and watched that movie 4 times in a row. With $.50 for popcorn, I finally left after 7 pm. I loved that movie (and the 8 hours of warm).
So did I. However, I only paid $.35 admission as a kid. I watched the movie only thrice. Great flick. I still remember the theme song today.
Great story Frank. I probably saw it the same time as you had. A great movie and Yul Brenner was excellent. Hard to believe Richard Baseheart was in it.
Why couldn't you go home?
De tu historia, lo que me quedó es que no podias irte a tu casa, tan niño solito? Porque?
I saw it reissued in 68-69. I think my parents or someone older paid about the same. Great time being a kid . And I and my brothers were 8 /10 to 11 too. The hotdogs , popcorn and soda were great too
LOL. I like their steel swords, instead of obsidian. They should have added some horses and cannons to make it look even less accurate.
WHY NOT?! THEY EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH
@@lolameraz536 and?
Not real enough for yeh dimwit. Its a b movie, one done better then you can ever do Im sure.
well, actually in the pacific coast the tribes knew how to work bronze and had axes as weapons, there are several on the national anthropology museum
Lol
Might not be the most historically accurate, but probably has some of the best tactics for actually fighting. The Mayan army maintains their formation, using the fire to both slow down the enemy to allow the archers time to lay into them, and breaking up the enemy formation, turning what could have been a devastating charge into a sloppy and drawn out push.
That handsome white general looked more like someone who just come out from a salon in el paso than a guy living in tikal
Looked Liked Frankie Avalon at first
Yes, he was a standard Hollywood actor, while most of the other people seen were probably extras from Mexico or Central America. It was a good movie, though. Yul Brynner was in it too.
George Chakiris. He is of Greek ancestry (American born). He won the Oscar for West Side Story!
@@barkingstarz4730 yes, TCM showing Westside Story this Friday. Saw a preveiw and rember the name
I thought he was a commander of Roman legionary
The Chichimeca were a North Central Mexico tribes. The Maya were in the Yucatan peninsula. Technically they never met in battle.
Thank you for that history lesson. It’s good to know that.
Actually, Chichimecas routinely interfered with all of Mesoamerican cultures, especially during the Toltec Era. In fact, Chichen Itza was probably colonzied by some of them.
@@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761 Colonized. You are just speculating without any knowledge of Mexican history. For your information the chichimecssas were a hunter-gather small bands without any social structure
@@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761 Besides in the maya archeologic récords there is no récords of chichimeca settlers in the Maya empire. Inform yourself and then white comments you ignorant gringo
@@samuelvarela8265 You literally have a gringo first name and likely have no family in Mexico, lmfao. Just from your comment, clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.
You may have not noticed, but at 4:10, the actor as the leader of the local native rescue party is Yul Brenner.
IN the credits he appears, the movie is "Kings of the Sun".
Everyone gangsta till someone pulls out a netherite sword
Love the Old Movie "Big Battles" before CGI.
I think this is from the 1963 film Kings of the Sun.
It is.
This is from "the emperor's new groove" live action remake
And then after this the Europeans came and fucked everything up. History.
A lot of those Mayans have green and blue eyes, I guess it was tough to find Mayan-looking extras back in the 1960's in the United States.
Lots of train actors where white probably 0.01 percent of actors can pass for native American.
Back in the sixties, we had a program called the " Big Show" on CBS. Would air every weekday night at 5 pm, interrupted halfway through by Walter Cronkite then conclude after the news. That was the last time I saw this movie. Amazed were people keep coming up with this stuff.
"Kings of the Sun" - A great adventure movie back in the early 1960's. I really enjoyed this one at the theatre when it premiered, then got to see it on TV a few more times after that.
there's more plot in this scene than the entirety of GoT s8 combined
The guy at 2:24 is the leader of the Puerto Rican gang from the 1961 film, 'West Side Story'.
George Chakiris was also famous as one of stars of Route 66, along with Marty Milner.
George Chakiris- won the Oscar for West Side Story!
Let's just say there's a lot of creative license going on.
Yeah, the Chichimec force seems to be wielding iron macuahuitl for some reason. Even if this was post-Spanish involvement they wouldn't have been given iron or taught how to make cleaver/swords. Mesoamerican tribes made up the bulk of Spanish forces even before they took on the Aztecs, but they were never given modern weapons or training, they were used as basic muscle.
You mean the suspiciously metallic-looking macuahuitl? That gave me a double-take...
@@andrewstrongman305 They actually used copper for some weapons.
It was part of the story in the beginning of the movie that a general armed his men with weapons made from the newly discovered metal that's why the new kings with his priest and soldiers were defeated and ran away to a new land until the general caught up with them hince why the battle also if you look closely the metal blades are suppose to be copper but are obviously copper painted iron machete movie set props
@@borgyoh So? Mesoamericans never went through a bronze age and copper is far too soft for a decent battlefield weapon. Obsidian edges were brittle, but the macuahuitl was more like a chainsaw - break a tooth and just replace it.
2:33 hey don't move your foot, dead person
Lmao
Dead person: just a post mortem spasm, still dead :))
¿ mayans with swords ? ¿ What its this ? 😂😂😂 Its a madness 😂😂😂
These are the most European looking Mayans I've ever seen.
Haha this is ridiculous
@@daniellozada3408 Plus there is no place along the coast that has that large a pyramid... Not even Tulum ...
I’m guessing mormons made this
I remember seeing this movie when I was a kid . Thought it was a good movie .
That young general looks like a dapper dan man. Some of his troops too.
There is no way anyone could fought with a heavy Jade Brest plate, Jade is heavy...
George Chakiris - from West Side Story
Looks like where they filmed Troy
I remember this film from the 60's and not long ago bought the DVD ( Kings of the Sun )
This is a great old film. I haven't seen it in years.
“Kings of the Sun”.
Thinking about this film the other week...havent seen this for 35 years.....really good film
Thanks for info....The King of the Sun...going to Amazon to get a copy to watch...
2:50 Everybody running over the fire "Ow Ouch Ow Ouch Ow Ouch Ow!"
Okay, you kicked their asses, but what about those new dudes who just showed up on horses carrying firearms and smallpox?
4:27 I'm sure I'm supposed to see arrows,
The History of the americas is immense and yet so few movies and tv shows are depicting it.
None of the native nations of the Americas had steel until well after Europeans arrived. The sight of those guys holding serrated swords is laughable.
lol. I agree. I was like, "Am I seeing that correctly?"
Even had steel sound effects for the duel. Swords would have been wood with bits of obsidian stuck in it. Looks like one side had a club like this but it looks like they were trying to show one side with more advanced weapons? Don't know - total 1960s Hollywood here.
@@ericboyle8296 Yeah, those clubs with obsidian were called macuahuitl (I looked it up). Considering how sharp the obsidian shards were, it was probably a nasty weapon in its own right.
@@paulofearghail9408 like a bat with razors
Empire Earth, bitches 😂
Ah, fire. To quote Darth Maul "Brilliant, Brilliant..."
Loved this movie especially when the other Indian tribes arrive this battle
Mic stand in the fire! Good editing!
Where lol
Whose side should we align with?
Spain: Yes
Kings of the Sun. Spectacular film. Prverbial cast of thousands.
One of the first pyramid schemes.
We need a remake for this movie, with modern taste, at least like Mel Gibson Apocalypto
"lets all hold up our weapons in the air in silence, that will show them!"
- Probably noone
The metal swords were the deadly innovation in this movie, so show it off. The defenders used wood swords.
Ok before we begin, who needs to pee? Please raise your hand.
Klasse Film gucke ich immer wieder gerne vor allem mit yul brynner
Looks the Apache or Comanches came to the rescue.
Is very crazy 😂😂😂
I can understand the macuahuitls, but are those other sword-like weapons? I’ve never seen anything like them in Mesoamerican history.
Ahh Yes. A white man playing an indigenous role
so its like early cartel wars?
Balam The Jaguar.Pretty sure still have the paperback book somewhere
Ah the use of Brylcreem was strong even back then
Como se llama la pelicula
Reyes del sol
The chichimeca and Mayan maybe never fought against one another because they lived on different territories, but chichimeca warriors have a very interesting history they fought the Spanish and defeated them ,even the Aztecs fear they guerrilla tactics, but they were also warriors for hire for many times
The Chichimeca never won a battle again t
Can you be more specific on what battle the chichimeca band
defeated the Spanidh.
@@samuelvarela8265 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichimeca_War
@@samuelvarela8265 small battles all over the grand chichimeca but they won the war
Que barbaro! La batalla mas real que eh visto en este 2021,el cine de antes es una joya comparado con el cine actual en donde se utilizan imagenes digitales.
I don't think holding your hand up high for protracted period of time is a good idea, especially if you plan to fight with it
Hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Like why tire your sword arm out before the battle? Lol
Is that the same guy from West Side Story?
Yes it is.
Love that dude smiling.
Parecen Hititas o guerreros de los "pueblos del mar" antes Mayas o Chichimecas.
Hollywood buddy...
Así es 👍 hicierón una mezcolanza bien loca en esta película 😂😂😂 los guerreros de penachos hacía arriba corresponden a los bajorrelieves que hicieron los egipcios de los filisteos
Son gringos los que hicieron la película creo
Is it true that war for these people was seen as more of a game, sport, or competition that just happened to result in death?
DJSbro I wouldn't think so,in many cases that is true particularly in the middle age europe,but in the context of this movie KiNGS OF THE SUN the army on the beach was trying to wipeout the otherside.Not really much is known about mesoamerican warfare ,but capture for human sacrifice seems to have been a huge motivator, which means although killing the enemy was not of huge importance however it was definitely more than a game.
Not a game but some cultures would try to capture rather than kill so they can be sacrificed. But wars of conquest or for resources were also waged
This is actual footage from a game of Civilization V when the two players with the bottom score go to war with each other in the 1900's.
My grandma's father was a Mayan chief
Geez how do they know who's the enemy?
The Inca have weapons of metal, the Maya have weapons of stone and wood.
@@williampaz2092 Oh thank you, I didn't know that. Im not a big professional when it's outside of the of European and Asian warfare.
But still, I would probably do some friendly kill in this scenario...
@@williampaz2092 inca?? There are no incas here, the ones with metal weapons are chichimecas
@@williampaz2092 there are no Incas here, just chichimecas against mayans. chichimecas (nomadic barbarians from el Bajio and forward north of Mexico) and purepechas (now Michoacan state) were the only 2 civilizations with metal weapons
well.. they use banners... for the chichimecas the didnt use uniform so was an army full of shields, some warrior hats and weapons.., mayans have usually a pelt armor something like that.. but it depends of the type of warrior and class posistion in their society... many mayans lived in cities-state.. and some chichimecas tribe went down to Mesoamerica trying to invade and sack the souther nations... that is why the Aztecs had armies ready to counter attack em.
Hunac Keel wasn't a chichimeca,he was a maya as chichen itza's inhabitants
Wie heist diese film
"Sir, but with these arrows we can hit our own men!"
"Yes. But we have a reserves. They don't."
Y no era mas fácil moverse fuera del alcance de las flechas enemigas, esperar a que se acabara el fuego, y entonces si pro eder al ataque?
Remember this movie
The armor look pretty creative.
Those raider goes wild until they pounce the enemy
Como llegaron los apaches alli?
¿What kind of Apokalypto are those?
Pretty sure the southern border types
mexican cartel war 17th century edition?
Mexicans didn't exist until Spain came
@@Elitecommando501 where do you think mexican come from? Africa?
@@hboyvn Mexicans ancestors come from Spain and Siberia.
@@hboyvn Why do you think we speak Spanish? Because of Spain.
@@Elitecommando501 so does that make you not descendant of mayan at least by blood
How far you can upgrade with the stone age.
nothing a couple huscarls couldnt fix
LOL! No one got the allusion!
1:07 Bernardo????
Our very own (Greek) George Chakiris as Balam...the son of the local Mayan king! Impressive! As for the movie itself....eat your heart out "Apocalypto"!
Tf are the arrows?
Epic!!
More likely Apocalypto, If Mel Gibson can make the colosal war scene
No, I watched Apocalypto recently, this is not from that movie. There were no battle scenes like this, it was a brutal village raid at dawn.
Where's the death whistle?
The aztec army at one point I read had over 100,000 men.... then the spanish arrived.
the spanish were defeated several times, they only won with the help of an equal amount of Tlaxcalteca and other allied forces. Plus cutting off all entrances and exits to Tenochtitlan. On their own they were squashed like a bug.
more than.. 100k... they were rounding the 150k. when the conquistadores took Moctezuma.. Cuitlahuac a prince and one brother of the Emperor recalled all the mexica army just laying one or two to defend the north from chichimecas and purepechas. Even Cuitlahuac asked help to his enemies.. Purepechas trying to expel the invaders.. few nations came to help aztecs in exchange of freedom.. but they were doomed...
@@jenaroayala5731 maybe because they were few? Cortez secretly hide the info about the Aztecs and their wealth on the Empire, now imagine if Cortez will sent a letter along with gold as evidence to the Emperor about the Aztecs gold wealth. Aztecs would surely lose against the might of Spanish empire.
The spanish army are only 990 men
Lmao. Just through in a lot of things from different regions and cultures and call them the Maya. 😂😂😂😂😂
You see, even the ancient Mayans would not tolerate foreigners illegally crossing into their territory. A bit hypocritical of their descendants some five or six hundred years later, huh?
I see they spent their budget on extras instead of props.
Strange ; some of these soldiers die with an arrow in their back allthough they attack frontal...face to face...they must have been shot by boomerang arrows.
Is this RTX TABS?
Anda, anda.... que las espadas metalicas, vaya tela.
Kings of the sun, 1963 starring Yul Brinner, George Chakiris
I will never understand lame deaths in old movies. I'm not talking special effects or props, it's not hard to fall over.
No cell phones in sight
Just people living the moment
Jeez all the educated historians here it’s a fun stupid movie to watch I’m sure they are commenting on space monster movies finding. Them off historically incorrect relax eat some popcorn and enjoy the flick it wasn’t meant for the history channel
Good movies are a thing of the past.
Like most good stuff.
so mayan were fighting chichimecas and then apaches came to help?
Are mayans defenders, and chicimeca attackers?
Si!
nope other way around
People did not know archery...there were using equipment to throw stones with deadly effects.
In my collection I have hundreds of obsidian arrow points , AdlAdl points and Blades along with the stone balls for the sling you mention...
Does this remind anyone of bashki lord of the rings lol I thought it did
Kings of the Sun i love it
I thought that the Dothraki tribe came to help.
The role of the ancient Mayans is so white washed because if you look at the paintings on the stone murals the Mayans appeared as dark skinned and darker brown people
cartello di sinaloa contro cartello di juarez
¡Jajajajajaja... No ma...!
Jajajaja, faltan AR-15s y Kalashnikovs pero bien traido.
Non era ndrangheta contro cosa nostra .... Gli italiani sono forti tossicodipendenti....
The Sicilian mafia vs. The Napoli Borgetha.
Excusi, Camorra.
Es imposible un encuentro asi lo más cercano a esto es que creo que sí hubo enfrentamientos entre el imperio tarasco, azteca contra algunas tribus chichimecas del norte
Level of inaccuracy in so many levels: Mel Gibson
¿ Mayans with swords ? ¿ What its this ? 😂😂😂 Its a madness 😂😂😂
WTF this is not Mayan not chcihimecas.
Weapons look like cardboard and the regalia worn in battle are so off lol.
Es traits occidentaux , ils n utilisaient pas d armes vraiment letales ,car le but de là guerre était de faire des prisonniers pour les sacrifices