Religion can be for some a form of spirituality but it is not to be confused with the norm. Spirituality is the relationship with yourself and your beliefs. You can practice it in an abundance of ways. It is unique and personal to everyone and not to be compared. I hope this helps set you on the path of pursuing your version of spirituality and being fulfilled. However the homework will be figuring out what it means to you since its not something we are taught as a society and it is often mistaken as a specific concept such as for example only religion unfortunately.
We're also missing the community that churches and meeting places used to fill in everyday life. We can't be that surprised about the decline of religion. Religious organizations need to be held accountable for their abuse and corruption and they rarely are.
This lady just wants to ignore that we are lacking 3rd spaces for all of us to hang out in. Instead we have car centric and isolated communities where nearly nothing can be done or enjoyed for free.
While spiritually and religion are not the same, bad people using religion as a tool to further their own power has given spirituality a bad reputation.
@@Windrake101 If religion is from true God, I believe there is no bad ideology within it. But if the religion made by human, then maybe it has bad ideology. Coz human is not perfect. God's creation (the religion) ofc will perfect.
Dropping spirituality. Delusions...which distract us...and sharing reason...and celebrating our human capacity to help others and love others...will give us an enlightened and loving society. And that will make us happy. Chasing spirits will lead us down more rabbit holes than ever. My heart just needs to concentrate on beating.
Ah yes, reason...and then describes being 'enlightened'...'love'? you mean chemical reactions?...I can see this 'utopia' unfolding all around me as we discard the 'delusions'....it's frightening actually....
@@gumbypokey yes...chemical reactions...what do you think being healthy...having healthy thoughts...creating healthy lives is all about....chemical reactions...you couldn't even have considered...written...or posted your comment without chemical reactions. In case you hadn't noticed, the whole universe runs on chemical reactions...including...everyone's view of their spirituality ...and...their ideas of what "spirituality" means. Enlightenment is simply understanding this reality and then endeavoring to manipulate chemical reactions that involve you and others in favorable ways.....and...taking as much responsibility for your promulgation of those reactions as much as you can...that's called reason. And yes...if you think about it...we should all be scared. Life is a scary...but rewarding and exciting business.
Materialism is a reductionist perspective that cuts out a higher reality due to ignorance and/or the desire for unaccountable autonomy. Ignorance or lack of knowledge is not a reliable case to make in favour of the lack of existence of something greater. You can say spirituality is not real but it is very clearly something that the vast majority of humankind experience and are acutely aware of. It’s the fact that it gives rise to debates over who’s right that leads to this nihilist “spirituality is nonsense” viewpoint which is just as empty and misleading as everything else.
I've personally dealt with depression. It's this huge gaping hole you can't easily outrun no matter how much you try to. I've said this before, but do prioritize your mental health in moreso effective or efficient ways in dealing with it. I've seen people neglecting their mental state to the point of no return. I can see why some people would lean on spirituality to seek some guidance. To each their own. We all have our separate beliefs, anyway.
Depression has sadness as it's foundation. Change the foundation to happiness will disappear depression. Couldn't find the happiness memory to hold on to? Join charity works, feeds the hungers, helps the less fortunate. Build up those happiness feelings resulted from those works will make life worth living. 🎉🎉🎉 It's how Buddhism heals mind.
I understand that. Personally dealing with a bout of it now with the death of my mother just a week ago. She was such a loving person I can't imagine that she's gone now. That loss combined with the lack of someone special in my life makes it easy to drop into a depressed state of mind.
Depression is unexpressed ANGER at its foundation. It isn't sadness. It is RAGE. Almost 30 years, I can tell you, it is anger turned inward. Healthy body healthy mind? Hahahaha!! Nice try. Omg, I wish it was that simple. That doesn't work when your mind won't cooperate. You MUST attend to that first, before your body. Whatever your mind demands - you give it - to keep it stable. Eat right, get enough sleep, take your dang meds (#$@%$#+), watch happy vids, journal, blah blah blah. Oh, and if something happens to upset you = have a meltdown and start ALL OVER.
@@nanoflower1- So sorry for your loss. We lost my dad in early 2019, feels like yesterday. We just closed on the house on Tuesday. My parents have lived here since 1966. Take care of yourself. Xoxo 🌹💝 Laura
Spirituality has been helping my depression sooooo much. Be warned, it takes a determined soul to work through all pain and confusion that comes along this path. Awakening doesn't come quickly or easily, but the process is ultimately enjoyable at all stages
heads up this video is is an interview with the John Templeton Foundation and a Christain based science organization and is known to work with known right wing think tanks. While some may find faith helpful to them in times of trouble, the way it frames depression as "a spiritual awaking" is very worrying to see.
@@Acvdsxbfz can be defined in a lot of ways. But if i had to define it as barebones as i can, id say its searching for higher meaning in ur life and/or the things around you. There is no definitive end to this search, it changes as you change through ur development as a person. As @adstx inferred, it does not require religion.
If you truly believe then it matters not what you believe in there will be fervor. Stoicism and other philosophies had a zealous fervor behind them when they existed. It's belief that causes us to act strongly (zealously), and we cannot live without believing in something.
How about not deflect from the real issues with religion? Fix the issues and people won't be so depressed.. people need to feel safe. Pay them more, make sure they have a roof over their head and food in their belly, let them enjoy life. Religion is not the answer. "Be spiritual so that you don't notice how much your life sucks"..no.
It was the weekend before I was leaving to another state to finish my Masters degree, (my red door), and my finacè and I found out that I was pregnant. We were over at my parents' home having dinner, and I told my father without my mother present. He looked at me and smiled, and said, "are you ready for that?" Later at dinner I told my mother, and she was in tears, not happy ones. I chose the yellow door. I tried completing via online until I had my 3rd child with my husband, and was going to have to leave my babies (4, 2, and 6 months), to finish school. I never finished. I had a thesis and 2 in person classes to go. Today I am quite content. I have 3 beautiful children, a loving and caring husband, and a place we call home. All I ever wanted was a safe, loving, caring family to call home. ❤ The yellow door was the right choice for me. 😇
Spirituality can be beneficial in a lot of ways, but when we look a little closer at suffering people in America we see 63% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck who couldn't sustain a $500 emergency. No universal healthcare system, mountains of student and medical debt, a thoroughly corrupt political system that favors the 1% over working-class people, etc. Whenever I hear people making arguments like spirituality or the lack of it is the problem I can safely juxtapose these claims against the current reality of regular working people and the failures of our political and economic systems. This is more likely the cause of mass depression and despair. I say this as a person who thinks spirituality can enhance our lives but is not the central issue here.
Most people simply cannot set a successful spiritual life if they are in a perpetual state of need for basic things like housing, food, healthcare, etc. It's myopic to think spirituality is gonna fix anyone's life when so many people can't meet their basic needs.
If the powers that be were more spiritual, however, in the sense she's talking about, then the USA wouldn't have all those problems. Our political and economic systems fail when we act selfish, amoral and cruel, or out of fear. Imagine if the American presidency, judicial system and entire congress and all Fortune 500 CEOs and VPs suddenly became deeply spiritual tomorrow. Everything would vastly improve as quickly as people can act. So you've got it backwards. The USA is the way it is and the world is the way it is because we have no science or technology of consciousness and how to become a better person. Imagine how the entire world would look today if the study of subjective experience had been included in the Scientific Revolution and then scaled up and delivered to the masses along with all other basic needs during the Industrial Revolution. It would be unrecognizable. People often react like this on videos on this subject. While I understand it, the fact is that if you're not tormented by fear, anger or sorrow like so many of us are all the time, it frees up huge amounts of energy that can be used in service to humanity. If you're crushed by depression or anxiety you aren't going to be able to do much for the world because all your energy is consumed in just dragging yourself through the day.
@@squamish4244 it's not about the people in power as much as it's the systems we have in place. Capitalism is quintessentially survival of the fittest. It's abjectly cutthroat and leaves multitudes behind to suffer. Ignoring this objective reality and attempting to build a spiritual foundation upon people in agony because of systems we put in place is the problem. Putting more spiritual type people in control of unjust political and economic systems doesn't help us build better foundations, just some tweaks around the edges. If we want an honest conversation here how we can build spirituality back in our lives we must look at our political and economic systems first and build from there. Using religion and spirituality as a bandaid in an unjust world of our own making is a painfully myopic way to proceed in my opinion.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius.
Depression has sadness as foundation. Fill up your mind with happiness will drive depression away. If ones couldn't find a happiness memory for mind to hold on to. Join the charity works. Feed the hungers, help the less fortunate and by seeing their happiness faces will make life worth living. If you are really a Buddhist monk, you forgot to forcus on your breathing, in and out with wordings "Budd & Dho" . If breathing is not convenience then just go for the words. Any neutral words will do by keep repeating it in your head 24/7. What you will develop by doing that is Solidifying self awareness or "SATI" the backbone of good healthy mind. A few long deep breath during the day will drive depression away. I am a Buddhist monk myself based in Thailand.
There's been an increase in despair. Thousands of things have gone up or down in that same time period, so she "cherry picks" (her words) one thing and finds data to conclude her causation. Classy.
Keep selling your potion. I know people involved in religion and prayer. And they are miserable. People need hobbies and friends. Everyone should take up dancing if they can. It is the BEST hobby.
Unpopular opinion: Religion is just one of many tools to practice mindfulness. If you don't like the idea of religion, maybe you should go do something else better. It's like debating which ice cream flavour is objectively better instead of actually enjoying ice cream and moving on with life. 🙏
Well said. My opinion as well. Most people’s issue when people are forced to eat one flavour of ice cream because its someone’s favourite. Or people get preferential or mistreatment for their favourite flavour of ice-cream.
It doesn't exist "the religion". There is toxic religion and free religion, which can be a benefit for people. It's the same logic to say that I have bad experience in politics. This is the reason why I want have nothing to do with politics. They are only terms and have always the danger to go in extremes, but they are nevertheless a part of our life. I have also religious trauma, but I'm open to find a new way in my spirituality, which is more free. It's my decision and must not be yours. But it's important to recognize that you are influenced by your emotions and not your rationality. Only emotions lead always to oversimplification and the term religion is an oversimplification.
Because not all of us are guided by hate, pride or a propped up self identity. As an Indigenous Canadian Catholic I grew up against Catholicism, but now that I’m Catholic I experience a supernatural joy every day because I know who loves me. Take care & God Bless.
See guys? We don't need a living wage or affordable housing. We're depressed because we need spiritual guidance........ Wtf has happened to this channel???? 😂
@@davontaejit’s not straw-man if basic necessities are a big key in being in a good place spiritually, physically & emotionally. they’re putting our basic necessities last & their profits first & everybody is just cool with it. Something has to change soon.
It’s part of the John Templeton Foundation - they wrap proselytizing in faux science. It took me a bit to catch on - everything is weirdly lacking in real substance. Now I know why.
Humans need organization. Groping masses of disconnected individuals are not going to escape the carefully managed attacks that come from politicians, businesses, or rogue religions/philosophy. Is belief in a higher power necessary for humanity to avoid meltdown? Real meaning has to come and we need real agreement. That's the challenge we all must face like it or not.
It's just your mind which makes it complex. As someone said, 'Life is not a problem to be solved but a mystery to be lived'. When our 'head' (mind) precedes the heart, confusion sits in.
Heart is very difficult to find. I guess I’ve lost touch with how to feel it. Meditation separates me from the mind (or quiets it), but there’s nothing else there pulling or guiding me. I’ll keep trying, though.
@@yhamez Just stop trying. You don't have to do anything. Real meditation is the acceptance of everything that's happening within and without yourself.
@@TurnAwayFromKnowledge thanks for your guidance. I do find joy and bliss when meditating (usually!), but perhaps enough of my mind is hanging on or I’ve buried my heart deep enough that I don’t “hear” the heart, for lack of a better term. Basically I find a joy and absence of pain, but I don’t feel compelled to anything from that point. I will continue to sit in that state as often as I can, and maybe my heart will wake.
@@yhamezI would keep trying! There’s so much beauty to life and you are bound to be attracted to something in it! Whether that be a particular style of life or where you may want to live. There’s something to fight for, there’s something that you want to change or help with. I believe that is where you find your heart, your passion, your drive, and that’s where you fight through the hardships having faith in the difficult but rewarding journey you’ve committed to Meditation helps us along the way, but constantly and only quieting the mind and becoming a person of circumstance dulls the experience of the intensity of life. We are more than mere observers
Problem is when you know the suffering is from a logical source that really nulls the purpose of the whole deal and creates an opposite effect. This is why you can't force suffering for the sake of religion/sprit-whatever
But there are still loopholes long as whatever is fulfilled on the spiritual level. If it's not it cascades into absolute oblivion. This is how mass shooting and such take place
There never has been a cultural sharing of spirituality as she imagined. Religion has always been a divisive force in society if it is not hegemonic. But she speaks the truth about the individual spiritual journey. We have an inner light that must shine and find its harmonic vibration to accomplish our ultimate purpose in the universe.
And no other culture has been this involved with each other. All over the world. You can connect with anyone at anytime, people just haven't found "their people", we are pack animals.
It has been divisive between communities, but it tied people together inside of communities. The Christian churches did not become as massive as they did without giving people some sense of community that is lacking in people today.
I'm afraid I agree with Lisa and disagree with you. This is not true, there has been cross- cultural exchange of the experience of spirituality expressed through customs - which have symbolic expressions of that experience
@@mojidrugari2777 I doubt that American Buddhists or Hindus would agree with you. There is no shared cultural experience of religion outside of any given religious community. To say there is denies the social cohesion that religion provides.
Sure! Because all we need to do is to go back into old habits instead of forward towards human evolution and growth! Blaming the lack of spirituality and religion instead of taking responsibility and fundamentally changing society, so that the focus is on well-being of all human beings as a single group, not just based on individual interest and completely ignoring the welfare of others. /S
I feel like this is some kind of advertisement for joining a religion, with all the symbolism like the colors of the doors and talking about angels guiding your way. When being spiritual only means to be more in tune with your surroundings, I can accept that. But she coins it to listening to a greater plan that has been laid out already, and that is just straight up religious determinism. No, thank you!
Nah, bro. It's not propaganda because it's another way of seeing life, it's propaganda because it's using misleading narratives to push a certain agenda. @@robertdouglas8895
Too many cults out there with too many special requirements for accepting others as human. 'Everything decays. Be responsible for your own salvation.' - The Buddha
Absolutely, and thus spirituality won’t provide the answer. Science explains the mechanics of why a person feels depressed whether that be psychological or biological
@@ThriftyCHNRnobody knows, nothing helps who is suffering, spirituality is care no matter how much materialism deny and says delusion.People more intelligent than scientist supported spirituality not like today cheap spirituality,but real amd they understood human and mind deeply
Bruh, what needs to happen is community, friendship, and other forms socializing. Things that affect our ability to do so are what is contributing to feelings of "depression." Things like being overworked, stressed, addiction to phones or other screens, anxiety, lack of public gathering areas, lack of "human" design in cities, lack of population density (needing cars to get to a friend's house, taking time to get to/from work takes away from free time). The thing that whatever producer decided to focus on was "Meditate, 'wake up,' follow your heart, nonsense and nice-sounding empty 'poetic' sentences and scenarios." I agree with her message that you can grow from your lowest moments, but 9 minutes to say that? The title itself creates the expectation that it will be answered in the video. "We're in a mass depression. Can spirituality help?" is not really what she is talking about nor what she answered. She's talking about purpose, self, and future. That could all be spirituality, but in essence the title would just be saying "Can we help depressed people by making them more self-aware and hopeful" Like WHAT DO YOU THINK? "Damn dude, I cant even feel happy anymore. Im always sad, want to just not exist right now. I feel like nobody cares, and I'm all alone." "BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU CAN GROW FROM THIS? DID YOU LOOK AT IT FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE?"
@@Earl_E_Burd this is clear evidence lol!1!!1! As I said, having gathering places and socialization really helps with low-points/sadness, and Church is just that. It doesn't take into account bad (toxic) church environments, and is a bit misleading in not clarifying that it isn't some divine thing about churches. It kind of leaves the idea that "if you go to church, god will come down and swoop your sadness away." If you think about it for a second, you can see the logical flaws, but not everyone thinks (for various reasons, not just because they're dumb...I'm dumb too sometimes).
Hi, thank you for the information. At 4:05 I am a little bit confused to understand "Hearth guides the head". What and how big are the similarities and differences between your concept and the concept of satisfying our 4 basic human needs (Klaus Grawe), act after the primary emotion instead of secondary one (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy)? Could you provide us the information which brain areas are active while we're meditating or praying? And which spiritual/religious view are functional and dysfunctional for our happy life? Because religion based spirituality is often reported to relate with self-blaming, self-hate, Jerusalem syndrome and any unnecessary mental pain and disorders. Thank you 🙏
A lot of 1950s church attendance was about looking good socially. Depression is more diagnosed, not more common and certainly not preventable with religiosity. Indeed, gay kids are depressed when devout parents shame them.
Maybe take mental health more seriously rather than thinking we were better off with ancient beliefs masking our problems. It’s 2023. The solution isn’t old ways of religious beliefs and traditions; spirituality should be brought on and taught in a non-religious manner. Religion and spirituality should be completely separated going forward. It’s called progress, not falling back
We need spirituality, we don't need religion. Fundamentaly Evangelical religion destroyed my mind and my self percepcion and self steam. But what we need is more connection with each other, learn to love and be patient, and learn about our brain to understand the way we behave and the way we are. So understanding why we act like the way we do, we can live and be tolerant to others.
At least ‘hedonics’ are derived from ‘ultimate reality’. Don’t forget the problems we still face with purely religious curricula and no critical thinking or scientific process teaching or basic biology in some child and young adult education
Exactly. And i think this lady has a limited understanding of hedonics. Hedonics can refer to the pursuit of both lower pleasures (pleasures relating to the senses) AND higher pleasures (pleasures relating to the intellect)
But those you are living for better sensation, will just search for the next high. But you can self reflect and meditate to integrate the shadow in you and to know you fully and your place in nature. That's something a pleasure seeker has problems to do. Because this pleasure is more subtile. Like techno and classic
How many religious people do you see strong-arming younglings into believing gneder is a "spectrum" and a "social construct"? Seems to me fanatically secular people are doing fine being anti-science on their own.
the problem is that working class especially minimal wage workers are not able to afford accommodation, even a small flat is stupidly expensive. there is not enough energy/time to focus on relaxing and meditation when your daily needs are in shambles
It is difficult to see so many very expensively built churches when you know there are people starving and being evicted. The Vatican(Catholic HQ) is the richest country in the world per capita. I guess it is better to have gold than to help others.
Um. Actually, adolescence is when I found the voice to call my “spiritual” upbringing the complete nonsense that it really was. Yes, it was an awakening all right. And the accompanying depression stemmed from a childhood being gaslit by religious authorities. I slowly achieved real mental health by grounding myself in reality & developing strong ethical values based on my experience, education, & intuition. This lady is cracked.
I love the profundity of Prof. Miller's saying. I meditate every day, and I feel it helps me a lot. Not only does my depression dispel little by little, but my happiness levels up very much!
No, of course not. There are various problems with the world, our country, our states, and even down to our cities...... and spirituality can do literally _nothing_ about them. Hell, some of the problems we're facing are coming from people that believe in a higher power and the supernatural. Seriously, what is spirituality going to do about employers abusing the workforce, the extreme inequality, the oligarchy, climate change, the political party in the US that does nothing but spread hate and fear monger, and the rest of the million and one problems were facing? Sure, spirituality could maaaaybe help some people feel a bit less depressed..... but it does absolutely nothing to resolve the issues causing that depression to begin with.
Come on Big Think stars, this infomercial should be somewhere else because when you talk of natural birth rights, child of God, there is a plan, receive guidance, trail angel, masters of our fate, etc. well then this is D. Chopra channel. "Morality derive from ultimate reality" 1:02. Does anyone communicate often with ultimate reality? Our moral compass sources should be, Science, reason and compassion. None of them require any ultimate reality.
While there's a lot of merit in criticism of organized religion, as a not-so-spiritual person in their 30's I've started to come to the conclusion that some form of community of shared values and beliefs that help people manage through the human condition is a necessity for most humans to be happy... and when that isn't the case, well... we get the mess that is 2023 and what feels like a society-level depression. Religion isn't without faults, but we've started to create a society devoid of what makes life meaningful so that people can manage the ups and downs.
Everything is a tool, with pros and cons depending on the context. Sometimes fooling ourselves can be useful. We can open a door with a hammer. It works, but doesn't mean that's the proper tool. It's just better than having no tools. Ultimately, the person with the hammer can open doors, but doesn't understand how a door works, nor why it's closed. Until the person with the key arrives. Spirituality and rationality are different tools, they both have their application, they both can work. But we should use the key.
How about differentiating between morality and religion or spirituality? We can give our own lives meaning, we don’t need ancient books to dictate how we think ,we can learn ,grow ,develop .
We can give ourselves meaning, but we can't give ourselves our purpose. The reason we were created can only be given by a creator. Either we're an accident, or we we're made with purpose, either way we don't get to choose our own purpose.
@@Pedanta I completely disagree and the mentality you’re coming from is the master-slave mentality. I rather recognize and exert my agency and choose for myself who and what I wanna do and what set of morals I feel are right based in criteria more sensical and current than Bronze Age texts.
@@deathuponusalll You can absolutely choose what you want to do, I'm not trying to doubt that. I'm saying that what one wants to do (one's goals and objectives), and what one was made for (one's purpose) are different. You can choose the former not the later. I'm also interested more on what your general worldviews are, as I'm interested how you justify morality. Would you be interested in hoping onto discord?
sometimes we forget to feed our soul as we feed our stomach... great explanation, great metaphors were used, hope everyone will find their yellow door and trial angel thanks for this video:)
the heart and brain are metaphors and represent the regions of sensations..however, it is the energy of those experiences in the region of the heart and brain which will guide you
Religion is the root cause of most of our problems in the US. Religion is the cause of the depression. We secular people are so tired of the negative impacts of religion, spreading hate and intolerance everywhere and and holding back progress.
Exactly, American secularism does not actively seek to exterminate religion from social and political life, as it emphasizes coexistence. French sécurité (a system similar to what we Turks had during Ataturk era) is much more aggressive and it works a lot better. Do not repeat the same mistake as Turkey though, once you start oppressing organized religion, do not stop. The second you do, sheiks and imams with political influence over masses come alive again.
Religion has nothing to do with spirituality. The problem with religion is that some religious people don’t understand really what is to have a true connection with our inner self, with the divine. There are bad and good people anywhere. To have this connection we don’t need religion, but some nice religious people can guide those who look for it.
Nope. Our issues are deeply psychological and trauma based. Racism, classism, intolerance, bigotry, greed, selfishness, narcissism, ego-centrism, etc. Add in the alienation, oppression, and constant economical anxieties of capitalism - and there's your modern depressed American. None of our (primary) issues have anything to do with religion. Blaming religion is a distraction. Furthermore, this video isn't about religion, which is - specifically - the organized and dogmatic approach to the question of God and/or the Universe. This video is about spirituality - a general approach - which is very different. IMHO, if more people embraced spirituality rather than religion, we'd be a far healthier country, and planet. Full disclosure - I am a former Christian gone rogue, now a "spiritual" person who considers God / the Universe = everything. We are all one. That is the only thing that makes sense to me.
@@isthisshit4real Every issue you wrote is "found" in the bible,quran and torah. They can justify all of it. They justified slavery for millenia with those books alone. Religion is very much a massive part of the problem
I don't think you can separate spirituality from religion... In an effort to deny the weights and constraints that religion put on us and not give in to every hedonic whim, we deny religion. At the core, we do not want to be told what to do OR that what we are doing is bad for us. We dable in these things religion warns about at our peril. Depression, suicide etc at all time highs. Anxiety etc
I'm sorry but this is very fuzzy blabla. Heart over brain? The brain is the organ responsible for all of it. It generates logical thinking, emotions, spiritually and intuition. I do think our society has put a lot of weight on logical thinking (which is still very important because most people are still not very good at it). We should explore our emotions and intuitions as well, learn where they serve us but also where they can lead us dramatically a stray. Spirituality I think is something to be very careful with. It seems to be something that lays in human nature, maybe bacause our brains tries to understand and predict the world and there is still so much we don't understand. It would be very interesting to look at spirituality from a neurobiological standpoint. But just because I don't understand something does not mean, it's controlled by a higher or devine power. In my opinion, religion has the tendency to use this knowledge gap and fill it with God (or other higher powers). And the kind of vague, fuzzy language that it used in this video really annoys me, for it does nothing to help understand the complex topic of spirituality and our struggles with it.
Possibly, but true spirituality will lead people in the direction of Truth and the truth is we have disregarded our bodies due to pervasive cultural normalization of feeling bad, eating fake food and dissociation from our inner knowing. I did turn to Spirit, and I'm glad I did, but I had to enact what it was teaching me in order to feel better and when you feel better it's easier to BE better. Be aware that if people do this on mass industries will collapse and culture will shift, the change will be fundamental in the structure of society. It's not just a matter of everyone going to church or mosque or meditating half hour every morning and then hopping back on the hamster wheel.
The spirituality can help us. The meditation bring a reborn and harmonisation of own body It's true the religion may treated depression. Tice analyse and explain how do against the depression.
Hey. I think Lisa would like this idea. In the business world people often talk about goals. But after a goal is completed. A new goal has to be created. Whereas if you have a purpose. It generates goals all the time. So living with purpose is something elders put on me when I was around 12 years old. So with purpose... unlimited goals are easy to create whenever you need them. So when she says like "quest for ultimate purpose" that rings true for me. However personally I wouldn't sell the idea as people have a depression sort of confusion event type thing... I'd just say whenever there's a crisis people tend to look for meaning and they tend to find it in a religion. So I never have a crisis of meaning having been raised religious. Even when I was atheist.
I wish that would be true. But i see so many under developed children in adult bodies. And if you are too ARROGANT to have understanding for the small parts in us. You are unconsciously working in favor of the devil. But perhaps you actually believe you know what you're playing with
Sadly we do, because atheistic hedonism is unsustainable, developed world is dying out from low birth rates, that's the way to extinction. Religion can be wrong, but it is evolutionary superior.
I had a spiritual awakening in January after my oldest son was killed in August ‘22. I spent the 5 months after his death in a constant state of agony. I had been on the non-duality path for a long time (about 10 years) but I had kind of let it go on the back burner. I was shown without words, pictures, or thoughts that my son and I were the same being. I couldn’t believe it but there was something inside me that knew unequivocally that this was the Truth. I have never laughed so hard while crying tears of utter joy! It was blissful! I am now going through the shadow work and it’s a bumpy ride but I’m more at ease and happier than I’ve ever been in my 52 years of life.
Well, hundreds ago 1. depression wasn't a then yet, 2. People lived to work 3. Everyone was religious And now people discovered that life is meaningless. That's all, congrats...
My remit is psychology, and my second greatest achievement, after post-conventional morality, is scientific mindedness. Psychology, while wanting for empiricism, is yet as far from the rationalist's equivocations as any other scientific discipline.
Religion is a medium for the collective and it helps us cultivate spirituality. Spirituality is a more personal endeavor, and in no way means becoming religious. But because what she's talking about is a system-level problem, we might need to bring back religion to our times, so the collective might find meaning. In what? You may ask, and I'd propose: What if there was a new religion? Say, finding spirituality in nature and the commons. Away from curruptible figures 🤔
I think its a bit more complex to say that people feel like morality is beeing cherry picked because they are not spiritual... also what does ultimate reality even mean if you are not spiritual... ethics and moral should not be based on a religion in my opinion.
@@robertdouglas8895It’s stupid to forgive people that aren’t remorseful for what they’ve done. You should absolutely match energies. Stop trying to override universal law with nonsense.
There are plenty of reasons why young people might become depressed: the challenges of being financially independent in the modern world, the threats that face our planet, disillusionment with childhood religious teachings, etc. Some people are trying to offer real solutions to these problems, and real emotional support. This video only serves to distract and mislead. It offers misinformation and an agenda. Shame on this channel.
We're depressed because of the awful mess the previous uber-religious generation left the country and the planet. The problems are not going to be solved by people who believe in fairy tales.
America was never religiously pluralistic except among Christain sects. There were laws in Boston (the birthplace of the American Revolution) during its post-British colonial period that called for Catholics to be tarred and feathered. It was a protestant stronghold. Jews were tolerated in America but discriminated against, while being Muslim or worse ... a Hindu or other "pagan" religion had it even worse. Native Americans were converted by force, and frequently killed if they resisted. The United States has always had a poor track record offering asylum to non-Christains. Most notoriously, in June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami, forcing the ship to return to Europe; more than a quarter died in the Holocaust. Separation of church and state is necessary to prevent any one religion from ever again becoming the "official" state sponsored religion. Younger generations are abandoning organized religions, which have exposed themselves as corrupt institutions of control, but embracing nondenominational spirituality and self-exploration.
Religion is like politics...prone to corruption. Spirituality is a journey of the soul seeking meaning (not usually found in a church). Places of worship are useful, however, in finding like-minded people. Ultimately, each of us have our own path to follow, not one is better than the other and I believe we all get there, eventually. Peace to all. 🕊
Institutes and those who want to retain power have exerted control over society thru fear and guilt that we’re ultimately bad - this is the consequence: confliction of knowing opposite, causing anxiety and depression.
Because the priest in my parish was running rampant sexually abusing little boys, this had a huge impact on me and I don’t believe that churches should have a place in the public space and frankly they don’t deserve it. That is what the establishment clause of the First Amendment is for. But spirituality is a personal matter and should be respected however people choose to practice it as long as it doesn’t infringe on other people’s rights and liberties.
always seemed a distraction for those who are not winning and can't do anything about it. win now, will be enough opportunity for spirituality before inevitable death, until then there's a chance in rat race, obligation to take it - believe in oneself not fairy tales asking yourself for direction? listening to one's heart? my duty is to be efficient and rational economic agent, surprisingly such incentives actually drive us forward
I mean I understand what she’s saying but it definitely depends on the person. I’m 34. I do not believe in spirituality, I also don’t consider anyone other than myself important or worth putting in an effort for unless it benefits me in some way. So unless I’m a late bloomer but I have yet to have any yearning for anything spiritual.
@mimikim6544 posted a great comment above regarding *what spirituality is*. Beyond that, your comment proves the video's point: lack of spirituality or religion causes demoralization, narcissism, and depression. When "you" are the end-all/ be-all, center of it all, humanity is screwed.
My experience is different. I was depressed when I was congregated in a church. Now I'm happy and free of religion.
Following dogma =/= Spiritual awakening
You think you are happy cos you are now free to live immoral life
Spiritualité can be religious or not , theologique or not.
cf: buddhism, soufisme, psychedaelique experiences etc...
Religion can be for some a form of spirituality but it is not to be confused with the norm.
Spirituality is the relationship with yourself and your beliefs. You can practice it in an abundance of ways. It is unique and personal to everyone and not to be compared.
I hope this helps set you on the path of pursuing your version of spirituality and being fulfilled. However the homework will be figuring out what it means to you since its not something we are taught as a society and it is often mistaken as a specific concept such as for example only religion unfortunately.
Yes, we need to get rid of religions and let people be spiritually free
We're also missing the community that churches and meeting places used to fill in everyday life. We can't be that surprised about the decline of religion. Religious organizations need to be held accountable for their abuse and corruption and they rarely are.
Yes, and so do politicians and humans at large. Starting with the legal crimes against life...animals, nature, children,...
Completely agree!
Churches are political now and more extreme. Majority of people aren't haters.
This lady just wants to ignore that we are lacking 3rd spaces for all of us to hang out in. Instead we have car centric and isolated communities where nearly nothing can be done or enjoyed for free.
@@Gobbldeegoo1Except this isnt a new problem.
While spiritually and religion are not the same, bad people using religion as a tool to further their own power has given spirituality a bad reputation.
Don't forget bad ideology within Religion, is often to cause of bad people.
@@Windrake101 If religion is from true God, I believe there is no bad ideology within it. But if the religion made by human, then maybe it has bad ideology. Coz human is not perfect. God's creation (the religion) ofc will perfect.
@@lovinda89 All religion is man made.
@@lovinda89there are 13 k of them, what is the good God?
@@MP-ut6eb Allah
Dropping spirituality. Delusions...which distract us...and sharing reason...and celebrating our human capacity to help others and love others...will give us an enlightened and loving society. And that will make us happy. Chasing spirits will lead us down more rabbit holes than ever. My heart just needs to concentrate on beating.
Facts
Precisely...
Ah yes, reason...and then describes being 'enlightened'...'love'? you mean chemical reactions?...I can see this 'utopia' unfolding all around me as we discard the 'delusions'....it's frightening actually....
@@gumbypokey yes...chemical reactions...what do you think being healthy...having healthy thoughts...creating healthy lives is all about....chemical reactions...you couldn't even have considered...written...or posted your comment without chemical reactions. In case you hadn't noticed, the whole universe runs on chemical reactions...including...everyone's view of their spirituality ...and...their ideas of what "spirituality" means. Enlightenment is simply understanding this reality and then endeavoring to manipulate chemical reactions that involve you and others in favorable ways.....and...taking as much responsibility for your promulgation of those reactions as much as you can...that's called reason. And yes...if you think about it...we should all be scared. Life is a scary...but rewarding and exciting business.
Materialism is a reductionist perspective that cuts out a higher reality due to ignorance and/or the desire for unaccountable autonomy. Ignorance or lack of knowledge is not a reliable case to make in favour of the lack of existence of something greater. You can say spirituality is not real but it is very clearly something that the vast majority of humankind experience and are acutely aware of. It’s the fact that it gives rise to debates over who’s right that leads to this nihilist “spirituality is nonsense” viewpoint which is just as empty and misleading as everything else.
I've personally dealt with depression. It's this huge gaping hole you can't easily outrun no matter how much you try to. I've said this before, but do prioritize your mental health in moreso effective or efficient ways in dealing with it. I've seen people neglecting their mental state to the point of no return. I can see why some people would lean on spirituality to seek some guidance. To each their own. We all have our separate beliefs, anyway.
Healthy body, healthy mind.
And your body is not just... Your flesh
Depression has sadness as it's foundation.
Change the foundation to happiness will disappear depression.
Couldn't find the happiness memory to hold on to?
Join charity works, feeds the hungers, helps the less fortunate.
Build up those happiness feelings resulted from those works will make life worth living. 🎉🎉🎉
It's how Buddhism heals mind.
I understand that. Personally dealing with a bout of it now with the death of my mother just a week ago. She was such a loving person I can't imagine that she's gone now. That loss combined with the lack of someone special in my life makes it easy to drop into a depressed state of mind.
Depression is unexpressed ANGER at its foundation. It isn't sadness. It is RAGE. Almost 30 years, I can tell you, it is anger turned inward.
Healthy body healthy mind? Hahahaha!! Nice try. Omg, I wish it was that simple. That doesn't work when your mind won't cooperate. You MUST attend to that first, before your body. Whatever your mind demands - you give it - to keep it stable. Eat right, get enough sleep, take your dang meds (#$@%$#+), watch happy vids, journal, blah blah blah. Oh, and if something happens to upset you = have a meltdown and start ALL OVER.
@@nanoflower1- So sorry for your loss. We lost my dad in early 2019, feels like yesterday. We just closed on the house on Tuesday. My parents have lived here since 1966. Take care of yourself.
Xoxo 🌹💝
Laura
Spirituality has been helping my depression sooooo much. Be warned, it takes a determined soul to work through all pain and confusion that comes along this path. Awakening doesn't come quickly or easily, but the process is ultimately enjoyable at all stages
heads up this video is is an interview with the John Templeton Foundation and a Christain based science organization and is known to work with known right wing think tanks. While some may find faith helpful to them in times of trouble, the way it frames depression as "a spiritual awaking" is very worrying to see.
Thanks for saying this before I did.
Yep. Seems they have been captured by Templeton Foundation. Will be ignoring their videos for now
Thanks for telling us!
This video made me so angry. When adversity comes your way, just consider it a spiritual awakening...Tell that to the refugee stuck on a sinking boat!
Christian based science organisation? Bit of an oxymoron.
Spirituality? Definitely, yes!
But this doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as religious fervor!
Of all the comments, u hit the nail right on the head.
What does spirituality even mean?
@@Acvdsxbfz can be defined in a lot of ways. But if i had to define it as barebones as i can, id say its searching for higher meaning in ur life and/or the things around you. There is no definitive end to this search, it changes as you change through ur development as a person.
As @adstx inferred, it does not require religion.
If you truly believe then it matters not what you believe in there will be fervor. Stoicism and other philosophies had a zealous fervor behind them when they existed. It's belief that causes us to act strongly (zealously), and we cannot live without believing in something.
@@hungrymusicwolf
What do you believe in? A god?
Depression is the byproduct of the dystopian society we live in.
True. But those who have true faith are faring very well in it.
It’s happening in all western countries
@@c.f.okonta8815What are you talking about? Japan and South Korea aren’t western countries…
@@hanatemonstas4485 it’s happening in western and East Asian countries that’s what I should have said
How about not deflect from the real issues with religion? Fix the issues and people won't be so depressed.. people need to feel safe. Pay them more, make sure they have a roof over their head and food in their belly, let them enjoy life. Religion is not the answer. "Be spiritual so that you don't notice how much your life sucks"..no.
It was the weekend before I was leaving to another state to finish my Masters degree, (my red door), and my finacè and I found out that I was pregnant.
We were over at my parents' home having dinner, and I told my father without my mother present. He looked at me and smiled, and said, "are you ready for that?" Later at dinner I told my mother, and she was in tears, not happy ones.
I chose the yellow door. I tried completing via online until I had my 3rd child with my husband, and was going to have to leave my babies (4, 2, and 6 months), to finish school. I never finished. I had a thesis and 2 in person classes to go.
Today I am quite content. I have 3 beautiful children, a loving and caring husband, and a place we call home. All I ever wanted was a safe, loving, caring family to call home. ❤ The yellow door was the right choice for me. 😇
Make socializing affordable.
You can't treat mass depression with mass delusions
You can. Just probably not good for it, long term.
@@hanatemonstas4485
No..
Big slam on gender ideology.
@@HankMeyer
That isnt depression
off topic obsession@@HankMeyer
Some of the most horrendous cruelties .. DON'T pretend the past was better ❗ 👺
EXACTLY!!
*Tips fedora*
Spirituality can be beneficial in a lot of ways, but when we look a little closer at suffering people in America we see 63% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck who couldn't sustain a $500 emergency. No universal healthcare system, mountains of student and medical debt, a thoroughly corrupt political system that favors the 1% over working-class people, etc. Whenever I hear people making arguments like spirituality or the lack of it is the problem I can safely juxtapose these claims against the current reality of regular working people and the failures of our political and economic systems. This is more likely the cause of mass depression and despair. I say this as a person who thinks spirituality can enhance our lives but is not the central issue here.
Most people simply cannot set a successful spiritual life if they are in a perpetual state of need for basic things like housing, food, healthcare, etc. It's myopic to think spirituality is gonna fix anyone's life when so many people can't meet their basic needs.
If the powers that be were more spiritual, however, in the sense she's talking about, then the USA wouldn't have all those problems. Our political and economic systems fail when we act selfish, amoral and cruel, or out of fear. Imagine if the American presidency, judicial system and entire congress and all Fortune 500 CEOs and VPs suddenly became deeply spiritual tomorrow. Everything would vastly improve as quickly as people can act.
So you've got it backwards. The USA is the way it is and the world is the way it is because we have no science or technology of consciousness and how to become a better person. Imagine how the entire world would look today if the study of subjective experience had been included in the Scientific Revolution and then scaled up and delivered to the masses along with all other basic needs during the Industrial Revolution. It would be unrecognizable.
People often react like this on videos on this subject. While I understand it, the fact is that if you're not tormented by fear, anger or sorrow like so many of us are all the time, it frees up huge amounts of energy that can be used in service to humanity. If you're crushed by depression or anxiety you aren't going to be able to do much for the world because all your energy is consumed in just dragging yourself through the day.
@@squamish4244 it's not about the people in power as much as it's the systems we have in place. Capitalism is quintessentially survival of the fittest. It's abjectly cutthroat and leaves multitudes behind to suffer. Ignoring this objective reality and attempting to build a spiritual foundation upon people in agony because of systems we put in place is the problem. Putting more spiritual type people in control of unjust political and economic systems doesn't help us build better foundations, just some tweaks around the edges. If we want an honest conversation here how we can build spirituality back in our lives we must look at our political and economic systems first and build from there. Using religion and spirituality as a bandaid in an unjust world of our own making is a painfully myopic way to proceed in my opinion.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius.
As a monk praying and meditation for 25 year don't get rid of depression
You need proper expression for that. Not suppression
She says the way out of depression is through action, the objective of meditation.
Maybe you do it wrong.
@@ChiDanteyou just helped realized that the suppression is religion dummy
Depression has sadness as foundation.
Fill up your mind with happiness will drive depression away.
If ones couldn't find a happiness memory for mind to hold on to. Join the charity works.
Feed the hungers, help the less fortunate and by seeing their happiness faces will make life worth living.
If you are really a Buddhist monk, you forgot to forcus on your breathing, in and out with wordings "Budd & Dho" .
If breathing is not convenience then just go for the words. Any neutral words will do by keep repeating it in your head 24/7.
What you will develop by doing that is Solidifying self awareness or "SATI" the backbone of good healthy mind.
A few long deep breath during the day will drive depression away.
I am a Buddhist monk myself based in Thailand.
There's been an increase in despair. Thousands of things have gone up or down in that same time period, so she "cherry picks" (her words) one thing and finds data to conclude her causation. Classy.
Keep selling your potion. I know people involved in religion and prayer. And they are miserable.
People need hobbies and friends. Everyone should take up dancing if they can. It is the BEST hobby.
A life of abundance
Unpopular opinion: Religion is just one of many tools to practice mindfulness. If you don't like the idea of religion, maybe you should go do something else better. It's like debating which ice cream flavour is objectively better instead of actually enjoying ice cream and moving on with life. 🙏
Well said. My opinion as well. Most people’s issue when people are forced to eat one flavour of ice cream because its someone’s favourite. Or people get preferential or mistreatment for their favourite flavour of ice-cream.
Prayer brings mindfulness, prayer becomes more frequent as breathing, then mind descends into heart and that called noetic prayer.
Religious fanatics are the primary cause of my childhood trauma. Why would I want more.
It doesn't exist "the religion". There is toxic religion and free religion, which can be a benefit for people. It's the same logic to say that I have bad experience in politics. This is the reason why I want have nothing to do with politics. They are only terms and have always the danger to go in extremes, but they are nevertheless a part of our life.
I have also religious trauma, but I'm open to find a new way in my spirituality, which is more free. It's my decision and must not be yours. But it's important to recognize that you are influenced by your emotions and not your rationality. Only emotions lead always to oversimplification and the term religion is an oversimplification.
@@michiher2643 I mean, yes, isnt that already a given in their comment? That is why they used the word “fanatics”.
This piece was propaganda by the John templeton foundation
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Because not all of us are guided by hate, pride or a propped up self identity. As an Indigenous Canadian Catholic I grew up against Catholicism, but now that I’m Catholic I experience a supernatural joy every day because I know who loves me. Take care & God Bless.
See guys? We don't need a living wage or affordable housing. We're depressed because we need spiritual guidance........ Wtf has happened to this channel???? 😂
Yeah, this video was nauseating nonsense; I’ve unsubscribed and moved on to content that represents rationalism and humanism, not this shit.
You dont need to make a strawman out of what she's saying. It's just offering a different perspective, believe what you will.
@@davontaejit’s not straw-man if basic necessities are a big key in being in a good place spiritually, physically & emotionally. they’re putting our basic necessities last & their profits first & everybody is just cool with it. Something has to change soon.
It’s part of the John Templeton Foundation - they wrap proselytizing in faux science. It took me a bit to catch on - everything is weirdly lacking in real substance. Now I know why.
Oh I love this channel.❤
It isn't in the spiritual where we are lacking. Its basic surviving that is getting hard.
Humans need organization. Groping masses of disconnected individuals are not going to escape the carefully managed attacks that come from politicians, businesses, or rogue religions/philosophy. Is belief in a higher power necessary for humanity to avoid meltdown? Real meaning has to come and we need real agreement. That's the challenge we all must face like it or not.
I wish this was true but depression and life are far too complex to be narrowed downed to a correlation.
It's just your mind which makes it complex. As someone said, 'Life is not a problem to be solved but a mystery to be lived'. When our 'head' (mind) precedes the heart, confusion sits in.
Heart is very difficult to find. I guess I’ve lost touch with how to feel it. Meditation separates me from the mind (or quiets it), but there’s nothing else there pulling or guiding me. I’ll keep trying, though.
@@yhamez Just stop trying. You don't have to do anything. Real meditation is the acceptance of everything that's happening within and without yourself.
@@TurnAwayFromKnowledge thanks for your guidance. I do find joy and bliss when meditating (usually!), but perhaps enough of my mind is hanging on or I’ve buried my heart deep enough that I don’t “hear” the heart, for lack of a better term. Basically I find a joy and absence of pain, but I don’t feel compelled to anything from that point. I will continue to sit in that state as often as I can, and maybe my heart will wake.
@@yhamezI would keep trying! There’s so much beauty to life and you are bound to be attracted to something in it! Whether that be a particular style of life or where you may want to live. There’s something to fight for, there’s something that you want to change or help with.
I believe that is where you find your heart, your passion, your drive, and that’s where you fight through the hardships having faith in the difficult but rewarding journey you’ve committed to
Meditation helps us along the way, but constantly and only quieting the mind and becoming a person of circumstance dulls the experience of the intensity of life.
We are more than mere observers
Problem is when you know the suffering is from a logical source that really nulls the purpose of the whole deal and creates an opposite effect. This is why you can't force suffering for the sake of religion/sprit-whatever
But there are still loopholes long as whatever is fulfilled on the spiritual level. If it's not it cascades into absolute oblivion. This is how mass shooting and such take place
Yoga and meditation has saved my life. 😊
There never has been a cultural sharing of spirituality as she imagined. Religion has always been a divisive force in society if it is not hegemonic.
But she speaks the truth about the individual spiritual journey. We have an inner light that must shine and find its harmonic vibration to accomplish our ultimate purpose in the universe.
And no other culture has been this involved with each other. All over the world. You can connect with anyone at anytime, people just haven't found "their people", we are pack animals.
It has been divisive between communities, but it tied people together inside of communities. The Christian churches did not become as massive as they did without giving people some sense of community that is lacking in people today.
@@hungrymusicwolf but they are no longer as massive as they were except in a few small pockets
I'm afraid I agree with Lisa and disagree with you. This is not true, there has been cross- cultural exchange of the experience of spirituality expressed through customs - which have symbolic expressions of that experience
@@mojidrugari2777 I doubt that American Buddhists or Hindus would agree with you. There is no shared cultural experience of religion outside of any given religious community. To say there is denies the social cohesion that religion provides.
I love you, Lisa, but my yellow door has landed me in a place I absolutely hate! It sucks the life out of me. It is Canada. My red door was Australia.
Sure! Because all we need to do is to go back into old habits instead of forward towards human evolution and growth!
Blaming the lack of spirituality and religion instead of taking responsibility and fundamentally changing society, so that the focus is on well-being of all human beings as a single group, not just based on individual interest and completely ignoring the welfare of others.
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The way to become spiritual is to be grateful for what you eat ❤
Principles for Living: Kindness & Fulfillment
I feel like this is some kind of advertisement for joining a religion, with all the symbolism like the colors of the doors and talking about angels guiding your way. When being spiritual only means to be more in tune with your surroundings, I can accept that. But she coins it to listening to a greater plan that has been laid out already, and that is just straight up religious determinism. No, thank you!
It is - the John Templeton Foundation. Proselytizing wrapped in faux science. That they hide the affiliation is the proof they are sketchy.
We need spiritual people who dare to share practices and teach, based on reason and plain words, not searching to make money or sell books
since when BIg Think start uploading rightwing propaganda
Still better than left wing propaganda 😅
@@Lord_Messiah_Disciplefalse.
yes of course, who follow a cult leader and kill themselves @@Lord_Messiah_Disciple
Do you have something against listening to another way of seeing life? You want this site to ban it?
Nah, bro. It's not propaganda because it's another way of seeing life, it's propaganda because it's using misleading narratives to push a certain agenda. @@robertdouglas8895
Too many cults out there with too many special requirements for accepting others as human. 'Everything decays. Be responsible for your own salvation.' - The Buddha
Thank you all very much
reminder that the heart is a pump. nothing to do with thinking
Disagree
Brilliant!!!
Depression is actually scientific.
Absolutely, and thus spirituality won’t provide the answer. Science explains the mechanics of why a person feels depressed whether that be psychological or biological
@@ThriftyCHNRnobody knows, nothing helps who is suffering, spirituality is care no matter how much materialism deny and says delusion.People more intelligent than scientist supported spirituality not like today cheap spirituality,but real amd they understood human and mind deeply
any kind of "spirituality" gimic is a part of psychology. There is no proof otherwise.@@MaheeSharma-u5l
Bruh, what needs to happen is community, friendship, and other forms socializing. Things that affect our ability to do so are what is contributing to feelings of "depression." Things like being overworked, stressed, addiction to phones or other screens, anxiety, lack of public gathering areas, lack of "human" design in cities, lack of population density (needing cars to get to a friend's house, taking time to get to/from work takes away from free time). The thing that whatever producer decided to focus on was "Meditate, 'wake up,' follow your heart, nonsense and nice-sounding empty 'poetic' sentences and scenarios." I agree with her message that you can grow from your lowest moments, but 9 minutes to say that? The title itself creates the expectation that it will be answered in the video. "We're in a mass depression. Can spirituality help?" is not really what she is talking about nor what she answered. She's talking about purpose, self, and future. That could all be spirituality, but in essence the title would just be saying "Can we help depressed people by making them more self-aware and hopeful" Like WHAT DO YOU THINK? "Damn dude, I cant even feel happy anymore. Im always sad, want to just not exist right now. I feel like nobody cares, and I'm all alone." "BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU CAN GROW FROM THIS? DID YOU LOOK AT IT FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE?"
Well-thought out reply. You hit the nail.
But she ran the numbers. Church down, despair up.
@@Earl_E_Burd this is clear evidence lol!1!!1! As I said, having gathering places and socialization really helps with low-points/sadness, and Church is just that. It doesn't take into account bad (toxic) church environments, and is a bit misleading in not clarifying that it isn't some divine thing about churches. It kind of leaves the idea that "if you go to church, god will come down and swoop your sadness away." If you think about it for a second, you can see the logical flaws, but not everyone thinks (for various reasons, not just because they're dumb...I'm dumb too sometimes).
Without a guidance from our heart, our mind often get lost looking for things that aren't good for our heart.
Hi, thank you for the information. At 4:05 I am a little bit confused to understand "Hearth guides the head". What and how big are the similarities and differences between your concept and the concept of satisfying our 4 basic human needs (Klaus Grawe), act after the primary emotion instead of secondary one (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy)? Could you provide us the information which brain areas are active while we're meditating or praying? And which spiritual/religious view are functional and dysfunctional for our happy life? Because religion based spirituality is often reported to relate with self-blaming, self-hate, Jerusalem syndrome and any unnecessary mental pain and disorders. Thank you 🙏
A lot of 1950s church attendance was about looking good socially. Depression is more diagnosed, not more common and certainly not preventable with religiosity. Indeed, gay kids are depressed when devout parents shame them.
Maybe take mental health more seriously rather than thinking we were better off with ancient beliefs masking our problems. It’s 2023. The solution isn’t old ways of religious beliefs and traditions; spirituality should be brought on and taught in a non-religious manner. Religion and spirituality should be completely separated going forward. It’s called progress, not falling back
We need spirituality, we don't need religion.
Fundamentaly Evangelical religion destroyed my mind and my self percepcion and self steam.
But what we need is more connection with each other, learn to love and be patient, and learn about our brain to understand the way we behave and the way we are. So understanding why we act like the way we do, we can live and be tolerant to others.
At least ‘hedonics’ are derived from ‘ultimate reality’. Don’t forget the problems we still face with purely religious curricula and no critical thinking or scientific process teaching or basic biology in some child and young adult education
Exactly. And i think this lady has a limited understanding of hedonics. Hedonics can refer to the pursuit of both lower pleasures (pleasures relating to the senses) AND higher pleasures (pleasures relating to the intellect)
But those you are living for better sensation, will just search for the next high. But you can self reflect and meditate to integrate the shadow in you and to know you fully and your place in nature. That's something a pleasure seeker has problems to do. Because this pleasure is more subtile. Like techno and classic
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@@nanometer6079Hedonics is casually and colloquially referring to lower pleasures though. We have much better words known by most to refer to both.
How many religious people do you see strong-arming younglings into believing gneder is a "spectrum" and a "social construct"?
Seems to me fanatically secular people are doing fine being anti-science on their own.
Those that were killed and left behind conveniently can't answer any of these questions.
Great project!!!
the problem is that working class especially minimal wage workers are not able to afford accommodation, even a small flat is stupidly expensive. there is not enough energy/time to focus on relaxing and meditation when your daily needs are in shambles
It is difficult to see so many very expensively built churches when you know there are people starving and being evicted. The Vatican(Catholic HQ) is the richest country in the world per capita. I guess it is better to have gold than to help others.
Um. Actually, adolescence is when I found the voice to call my “spiritual” upbringing the complete nonsense that it really was. Yes, it was an awakening all right. And the accompanying depression stemmed from a childhood being gaslit by religious authorities. I slowly achieved real mental health by grounding myself in reality & developing strong ethical values based on my experience, education, & intuition. This lady is cracked.
I love the profundity of Prof. Miller's saying.
I meditate every day, and I feel it helps me a lot. Not only does my depression dispel little by little, but my happiness levels up very much!
sounds like a loser toi me, perspective i guess
No, of course not. There are various problems with the world, our country, our states, and even down to our cities...... and spirituality can do literally _nothing_ about them. Hell, some of the problems we're facing are coming from people that believe in a higher power and the supernatural. Seriously, what is spirituality going to do about employers abusing the workforce, the extreme inequality, the oligarchy, climate change, the political party in the US that does nothing but spread hate and fear monger, and the rest of the million and one problems were facing? Sure, spirituality could maaaaybe help some people feel a bit less depressed..... but it does absolutely nothing to resolve the issues causing that depression to begin with.
"The heart is the instrument of knowing what is true."
- Said every bigot, despot or terrorist ever
The way she explains why she thinks it’s a causal relationship in the very first minute is fallacious and deficient.
Religion and patriotism are the last refuge of scoundrels.
Come on Big Think stars, this infomercial should be somewhere else because when you talk of natural birth rights, child of God, there is a plan, receive guidance, trail angel, masters of our fate, etc. well then this is D. Chopra channel. "Morality derive from ultimate reality" 1:02. Does anyone communicate often with ultimate reality? Our moral compass sources should be, Science, reason and compassion. None of them require any ultimate reality.
While there's a lot of merit in criticism of organized religion, as a not-so-spiritual person in their 30's I've started to come to the conclusion that some form of community of shared values and beliefs that help people manage through the human condition is a necessity for most humans to be happy... and when that isn't the case, well... we get the mess that is 2023 and what feels like a society-level depression.
Religion isn't without faults, but we've started to create a society devoid of what makes life meaningful so that people can manage the ups and downs.
religion is never a bad thing, it is just misunderstood.
Everything is a tool, with pros and cons depending on the context.
Sometimes fooling ourselves can be useful. We can open a door with a hammer. It works, but doesn't mean that's the proper tool. It's just better than having no tools.
Ultimately, the person with the hammer can open doors, but doesn't understand how a door works, nor why it's closed.
Until the person with the key arrives.
Spirituality and rationality are different tools, they both have their application, they both can work. But we should use the key.
How about differentiating between morality and religion or spirituality? We can give our own lives meaning, we don’t need ancient books to dictate how we think ,we can learn ,grow ,develop .
Well said
We can give ourselves meaning, but we can't give ourselves our purpose. The reason we were created can only be given by a creator.
Either we're an accident, or we we're made with purpose, either way we don't get to choose our own purpose.
@@Pedanta I completely disagree and the mentality you’re coming from is the master-slave mentality. I rather recognize and exert my agency and choose for myself who and what I wanna do and what set of morals I feel are right based in criteria more sensical and current than Bronze Age texts.
@@deathuponusalll You can absolutely choose what you want to do, I'm not trying to doubt that. I'm saying that what one wants to do (one's goals and objectives), and what one was made for (one's purpose) are different. You can choose the former not the later.
I'm also interested more on what your general worldviews are, as I'm interested how you justify morality.
Would you be interested in hoping onto discord?
sometimes we forget to feed our soul as we feed our stomach...
great explanation, great metaphors were used, hope everyone will find their yellow door and trial angel
thanks for this video:)
the heart and brain are metaphors and represent the regions of sensations..however, it is the energy of those experiences in the region of the heart and brain which will guide you
Yk what can help? Giving people the opportunity for a better life aka redistributing wealth.
how do we tell apart cult-ish manipulation from spritual experiences?
I like that @@hyperadapted
When old people accept their aging and are comfortable in their skin they look beautiful
Religion is the root cause of most of our problems in the US. Religion is the cause of the depression. We secular people are so tired of the negative impacts of religion, spreading hate and intolerance everywhere and and holding back progress.
Exactly, American secularism does not actively seek to exterminate religion from social and political life, as it emphasizes coexistence. French sécurité (a system similar to what we Turks had during Ataturk era) is much more aggressive and it works a lot better. Do not repeat the same mistake as Turkey though, once you start oppressing organized religion, do not stop. The second you do, sheiks and imams with political influence over masses come alive again.
Religion has nothing to do with spirituality. The problem with religion is that some religious people don’t understand really what is to have a true connection with our inner self, with the divine. There are bad and good people anywhere. To have this connection we don’t need religion, but some nice religious people can guide those who look for it.
Nope. Our issues are deeply psychological and trauma based. Racism, classism, intolerance, bigotry, greed, selfishness, narcissism, ego-centrism, etc. Add in the alienation, oppression, and constant economical anxieties of capitalism - and there's your modern depressed American. None of our (primary) issues have anything to do with religion. Blaming religion is a distraction.
Furthermore, this video isn't about religion, which is - specifically - the organized and dogmatic approach to the question of God and/or the Universe. This video is about spirituality - a general approach - which is very different. IMHO, if more people embraced spirituality rather than religion, we'd be a far healthier country, and planet.
Full disclosure - I am a former Christian gone rogue, now a "spiritual" person who considers God / the Universe = everything. We are all one. That is the only thing that makes sense to me.
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Every issue you wrote is "found" in the bible,quran and torah. They can justify all of it. They justified slavery for millenia with those books alone.
Religion is very much a massive part of the problem
Exactly
I would believe this if church goers were not saying to their pastors that the teaching of Jesus Christ were weak and liberal.
I don't think you can separate spirituality from religion...
In an effort to deny the weights and constraints that religion put on us and not give in to every hedonic whim, we deny religion.
At the core, we do not want to be told what to do OR that what we are doing is bad for us.
We dable in these things religion warns about at our peril. Depression, suicide etc at all time highs. Anxiety etc
I'm sorry but this is very fuzzy blabla. Heart over brain? The brain is the organ responsible for all of it. It generates logical thinking, emotions, spiritually and intuition. I do think our society has put a lot of weight on logical thinking (which is still very important because most people are still not very good at it). We should explore our emotions and intuitions as well, learn where they serve us but also where they can lead us dramatically a stray. Spirituality I think is something to be very careful with. It seems to be something that lays in human nature, maybe bacause our brains tries to understand and predict the world and there is still so much we don't understand. It would be very interesting to look at spirituality from a neurobiological standpoint. But just because I don't understand something does not mean, it's controlled by a higher or devine power. In my opinion, religion has the tendency to use this knowledge gap and fill it with God (or other higher powers). And the kind of vague, fuzzy language that it used in this video really annoys me, for it does nothing to help understand the complex topic of spirituality and our struggles with it.
So so true!
Possibly, but true spirituality will lead people in the direction of Truth and the truth is we have disregarded our bodies due to pervasive cultural normalization of feeling bad, eating fake food and dissociation from our inner knowing.
I did turn to Spirit, and I'm glad I did, but I had to enact what it was teaching me in order to feel better and when you feel better it's easier to BE better. Be aware that if people do this on mass industries will collapse and culture will shift, the change will be fundamental in the structure of society.
It's not just a matter of everyone going to church or mosque or meditating half hour every morning and then hopping back on the hamster wheel.
The spirituality can help us. The meditation bring a reborn and harmonisation of own body It's true the religion may treated depression. Tice analyse and explain how do against the depression.
Hey. I think Lisa would like this idea. In the business world people often talk about goals. But after a goal is completed. A new goal has to be created. Whereas if you have a purpose. It generates goals all the time. So living with purpose is something elders put on me when I was around 12 years old. So with purpose... unlimited goals are easy to create whenever you need them. So when she says like "quest for ultimate purpose" that rings true for me. However personally I wouldn't sell the idea as people have a depression sort of confusion event type thing... I'd just say whenever there's a crisis people tend to look for meaning and they tend to find it in a religion. So I never have a crisis of meaning having been raised religious. Even when I was atheist.
I was really looking for a video like this and found out they uploaded it 2 hours ago.
No coincidences in life
We no longer need fairytales or imaginary sky wizards.....❤
Facts...
What stories do you live by?
I wish that would be true. But i see so many under developed children in adult bodies.
And if you are too ARROGANT to have understanding for the small parts in us. You are unconsciously working in favor of the devil. But perhaps you actually believe you know what you're playing with
Sky Wizards sounds like a band
Sadly we do, because atheistic hedonism is unsustainable, developed world is dying out from low birth rates, that's the way to extinction. Religion can be wrong, but it is evolutionary superior.
Depression is having inadequate thoughts.
Thoughts has an major influence on emotions.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you must be supremely depressed if that is so.
I had a spiritual awakening in January after my oldest son was killed in August ‘22. I spent the 5 months after his death in a constant state of agony. I had been on the non-duality path for a long time (about 10 years) but I had kind of let it go on the back burner. I was shown without words, pictures, or thoughts that my son and I were the same being. I couldn’t believe it but there was something inside me that knew unequivocally that this was the Truth. I have never laughed so hard while crying tears of utter joy! It was blissful! I am now going through the shadow work and it’s a bumpy ride but I’m more at ease and happier than I’ve ever been in my 52 years of life.
This was very enlightening. Such an eloquent way to describe what many us feel but lack the words to describe. Thanks for the wisdom!
Well, hundreds ago 1. depression wasn't a then yet, 2. People lived to work 3. Everyone was religious
And now people discovered that life is meaningless. That's all, congrats...
This woman just broke down the last 15 years of my life 😭
why so many losers in uk nowadays? they used to be a proud nation
Rare it is to find someone so significantly versed in scientific thinking, rendered so far from it.
Her field is psychology. Not really a science.
My remit is psychology, and my second greatest achievement, after post-conventional morality, is scientific mindedness. Psychology, while wanting for empiricism, is yet as far from the rationalist's equivocations as any other scientific discipline.
Seriously, what is it with north-american "clinical psychologists" and spiritual charlatanism ?
Omg.. such great production! I feel so motivated after watching this
Religion is a medium for the collective and it helps us cultivate spirituality. Spirituality is a more personal endeavor, and in no way means becoming religious.
But because what she's talking about is a system-level problem, we might need to bring back religion to our times, so the collective might find meaning. In what? You may ask, and I'd propose: What if there was a new religion? Say, finding spirituality in nature and the commons. Away from curruptible figures 🤔
I think its a bit more complex to say that people feel like morality is beeing cherry picked because they are not spiritual... also what does ultimate reality even mean if you are not spiritual... ethics and moral should not be based on a religion in my opinion.
People should not be forgiven? Why not? What does holding grudges do in your life?
I have a stronger moral compass than all of the cult followers I know!
@@az55544 Incest, Rape, Child Sacrifice, Blood Drinking Community (Satan Worshippers) isn't /aren't objectively Evil. There's nothing good & bad without Divine Laws.
@@az55544 You compare yours to theirs and find fault. That is possible with anyone. Finding fault is what you think is strength.
@@robertdouglas8895It’s stupid to forgive people that aren’t remorseful for what they’ve done. You should absolutely match energies. Stop trying to override universal law with nonsense.
There are plenty of reasons why young people might become depressed: the challenges of being financially independent in the modern world, the threats that face our planet, disillusionment with childhood religious teachings, etc. Some people are trying to offer real solutions to these problems, and real emotional support. This video only serves to distract and mislead. It offers misinformation and an agenda. Shame on this channel.
We're depressed because of the awful mess the previous uber-religious generation left the country and the planet. The problems are not going to be solved by people who believe in fairy tales.
im pretty baked, but that was profound.
I've been asking people for years what is spiritualism? I can't get a good answer, it seems to be a nebulous term for magical feelings and emotions.
America was never religiously pluralistic except among Christain sects. There were laws in Boston (the birthplace of the American Revolution) during its post-British colonial period that called for Catholics to be tarred and feathered. It was a protestant stronghold. Jews were tolerated in America but discriminated against, while being Muslim or worse ... a Hindu or other "pagan" religion had it even worse. Native Americans were converted by force, and frequently killed if they resisted. The United States has always had a poor track record offering asylum to non-Christains. Most notoriously, in June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami, forcing the ship to return to Europe; more than a quarter died in the Holocaust. Separation of church and state is necessary to prevent any one religion from ever again becoming the "official" state sponsored religion. Younger generations are abandoning organized religions, which have exposed themselves as corrupt institutions of control, but embracing nondenominational spirituality and self-exploration.
Amen. Wouldn't have matharted (c-b)/a calculus into reality without a head & heart engine. Among other successes and failures.
Religion is like politics...prone to corruption. Spirituality is a journey of the soul seeking meaning (not usually found in a church). Places of worship are useful, however, in finding like-minded people. Ultimately, each of us have our own path to follow, not one is better than the other and I believe we all get there, eventually. Peace to all. 🕊
Institutes and those who want to retain power have exerted control over society thru fear and guilt that we’re ultimately bad - this is the consequence: confliction of knowing opposite, causing anxiety and depression.
Because the priest in my parish was running rampant sexually abusing little boys, this had a huge impact on me and I don’t believe that churches should have a place in the public space and frankly they don’t deserve it. That is what the establishment clause of the First Amendment is for. But spirituality is a personal matter and should be respected however people choose to practice it as long as it doesn’t infringe on other people’s rights and liberties.
always seemed a distraction for those who are not winning and can't do anything about it. win now, will be enough opportunity for spirituality before inevitable death, until then there's a chance in rat race, obligation to take it - believe in oneself not fairy tales
asking yourself for direction? listening to one's heart? my duty is to be efficient and rational economic agent, surprisingly such incentives actually drive us forward
It’s time we find love for the 21st Century
I mean I understand what she’s saying but it definitely depends on the person.
I’m 34. I do not believe in spirituality, I also don’t consider anyone other than myself important or worth putting in an effort for unless it benefits me in some way.
So unless I’m a late bloomer but I have yet to have any yearning for anything spiritual.
What is your definition of spiritual?
For me it's about being more close to me. (that's just what I feel like right now)
@mimikim6544 posted a great comment above regarding *what spirituality is*.
Beyond that, your comment proves the video's point: lack of spirituality or religion causes demoralization, narcissism, and depression. When "you" are the end-all/ be-all, center of it all, humanity is screwed.
Correlation is not causation.