"Nobody Understands Kratos" Follow Up Video
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Responding to arguments left on my last God of War video that did pretty good.
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What will you do theIJPmexican? You can no longer hide behind the skirts of Athena!
I forgot to thank you in your previous video for vocalizing my exact thoughts on this topic, I watched Kbash's review of the original trilogy and boiled by blood how the character dynamics of all 3 games went over his head, it's like character development doesn't exist to these people.
No problem brother 💪💪💪💪
Freya didn't kill Kratos at that exact moment because Atreus transformed into a bear, something she didn't know he was capable of doing, and she was shocked. Whilst Kratos was trying to calm Atreus down, she was thinking. Atreus transforming into a bear to protect his father was the catalyst to get her to think about the situation more rather than go solely off her emotions. She still had humanity in her and it was still evident she cares about Atreus. She didn't kill him when he first sought her out, and she heard what he had to say. She is still able to reason, it was just masked with rage up until that moment where she was dumbfounded as to what was happening with Atreus. It's why directly after that encounter she recruits Kratos's help and stops trying to kill him and why she screams and destroys the rock because she chose reason over rage.
Kratos showing his back to Freya shows how much respect he has for her. She saved his son's life. The sequence in Vanaheim shows how much respect he has for her and how little he cares about self preservation. This is a different Kratos than the older games. He's more of a "calm and reasonable" person who does not fight with rage anymore. If Atreus was in imminent danger it would be a different story, but he wasn't. Kratos feels indebted to Freya and guilty for robbing her of her choice. Killing her is the last thing on his mind if at all. He does not want to fight her. She literally stabbed him on the cart in the first sequence and STILL he refused to attack her. It's pretty evident that he doesn't really have as much self preservation as he used to. He literally let Thor kill him, and still held back, up until the final moment of the fight.
It's also worth noting that at that point in the story Atreus could not control his bear, and in attacking Freya he also is putting himself in jeopardy. He always puts his son first. Even when fighting Modi, he immediately went to his son and let him run off.
His guilt is just stupidity. If he hadn't killed Baldur in that moment, Baldur would've killed Freya then attacked Kratos, forcing him to just kill Baldur anyway. Basically Kratos feels bad for ruining Freya's suicide which is so morally perverse it sucked all attachment I had to both characters
@@ZhaziTheBeast No, in the actual game, Kratos himself says that he will never regret saving Freya. He didnt regret killing baldur, as he does not regret saving Freya.
@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_ Then what does "The choice between live and death was yours to make. I should not have robbed you of that choice" mean? Basically he says "I don't regret saving you, but I shouldn't have saved you." The game is full of these contradictions and winds up a total mess for it
@@ZhaziTheBeast I think it makes sense. You've never had a bittersweet moment in your life before? An action that had positives but also negatives to you? He doesn't regret saving her but he still feels guilty about robbing her of her choice and feels responsible for her downward spiral into madness.
He doesn't regret saving her, but he also knows that it wasn't his choice to make. I think you are overcomplicating this statement. Two feelings can co exist, they are not mutually exclusive.
@@WarriorMasterTrainer No obviously “ZhaziTheBeast” is a perfect human with no such complications in his perfect stoicism, feeling none of the subtle nuances of human nature. Clearly he is a form greater than us, either that or he is a 40 year old, neckbeard, discord moderator that lives in his mothers basement.
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That was an interesting idea....but what you made up sounds way more faithful to the character in the first game.
Honestly feels like the people behind Chains of Olympus only played and/or remembered GoW2 Kratos.
To be honest, I watched your first video about this subject before and I completely agreed with you. But in this video, I have only one point which I disagree with you: In 8:05 you literally said "Why did she attack him? It's stupid in one way or stupid in another way.". Well, it is because of the death of Baldur situation. In God of War 4, Baldur always attacked to Atreus and Kratos in the entire game and especially when they learned that Baldur was actually Freya's son, they always tried not to kill Baldur. Even if Baldur tried to kill his own mother (Freya), Kratos still tried to stop Baldur for stopping Baldur's vengeance against his own mother (because Kratos literally knows the worst consequences of vengeance). But in result, Baldur showed that he didn't want to stop and he wanted to kill his own mother at all cost. And that's the point where Kratos decided to kill Baldur. Because Freya was the one who saved his son (Atreus) before and Kratos didn't even forget her favor. That's the reason why he wanted to save Freya in that time. So, he was obliged to kill Baldur at this point. On the other hand, Freya was looking this situation really emotionally. Because although Kratos saved her life, the same man, who saved her life, also killed her own son (Baldur). So, that was literally the reason why Freya wanted vengeance at this point. If you had played the game or watched the videos of the next chapters, Kratos also showed Freya in the future that he was sorry for not letting her making her own decision between life and death. And when Freya understood it and when Freya also understood that Odin was the one who must be killed and not Kratos, she forgave him at that exact moment. So, that's definitely the entire connected reason why that scene makes sense. Except this situation, I agree with you. This doesn't change the fact that there are still some contradictions and plot holes in GoW series.
I genuinely don’t understand how I didn’t see “Jerk Ass Kratos” when first playing CoO. It’s probably a bigger plot hole than Kratos having already killed a god (Persephone) before Ares.
And the “I do not need the aid of the Gods” line as he holds a Zeus Gauntlet and a Helios shield is pure comedy.
Also worth mentioning: Ghost of Sparta makes it seem like Kratos had ALWAYS had resentment towards the Gods for taking his brother as a child…but that makes no sense. If this is true, why would he have so much respect for all of the Gods in GoW1? Why would he have such a close relationship with Athena in GoW1 and 2…when she was literally the one who took Deimos from him?
Man, the prequel writers were all kinds of fucked.
I think Freya didn't immediately jump in to kill Kratos was because she's still trying to process the fact Atreus just turned into a damn bear. And later in the game she (somewhat) admits that she wasn't truly aiming to kill Kratos after he told her his story, in a way telling him that she was more trying to provoke him into killing her. I mean she knows Kratos has absolutely no intention of fighting her and only try to evade, so she put on her valkyrie armor hoping he would fight instead of trying to evade her again
I am commenting to say idk if you're a racist or not but am willing to consider both sides of the argument...
What do you mean by racist? What's racist about this guy!?!?
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@@theIJPmexican You're alright in my book.
@@theIJPmexican kratos is only homosexual on give me god of war because he gets fucked hard
May I have your thoughts on Kratos inheriting the role of “God of War” at the end of the first game? I personally thought that he never wanted that position that Athena/other gods forced him into- like he wanted to be freed from PTSD, and instead he got a role he didn’t ask for. I can see that the only aspect of the job he enjoyed was when he helped the Spartans, otherwise, I feel like he never wanted that burden. Thanks for your time man! Loved the videos :)
before I knew anything about the first game, I had played just the second one. Based on what people said about the first one, I thought that it was about him wanting to be the god of war. But yeah he would have preferred peace of mind at the end of the first game.
The only thing I think you missed is that Freya is afraid of Atreus, she believes in prophecy and fate and thinks Atreus (Loki) is this unstoppable key to Ragnarok.
Never in the entire series had Atreus attempted to attack Freya up until that point- she must have been terrified and frozen up, you realize that if she had stabbed kratos- Atreus would have just killed her anyway? Or mauled her after she killed him?
In that moment she realized that Kratos wasn't even trying to hurt her and Atreus was strong enough to kill her-
When she had the valkyrie mask on she realizes that Kratos was holding back the entire time and he easily could have killed her at any point.
Hey there. I'm sorry if I came off as rude in my comment on your previous GOW video. Like I said, I agree with a lot of your points, I just don't agree with the notion that CoO was an illustration of a 'jerk ass Kratos'. The whole point of the prequels was to add context to Kratos' journey. GoS was adding more context to Kratos' childhood and how much he was willing to go to save his brother, as well as how the gods have always been bastards. CoO was adding how while at first he had his doubts during his first five years of service, especially after Ares tricked him into killing his family, he was willing to put his faith in the gods, as well as show how much his daughter meant to him and how much it pained him to let her go in order to keep her from ceasing to exist.
Could it have been written better? Probably. The narrator makes me feel like the developers forgot how he addressed the gods in the first games at times, and it certainly could have been written better, I admit. Again, I apologize if I seemed rude, we're all GoW fans here, and while CoO could have been written better, it doesn't contradict anything and adds additional context.
I would have liked to see perhaps an additional game, even a comic, where it shows the last five years within his ten year service before the events of the first game, where he does mellow out and put more faith in the gods. Perhaps show the gods helping him and his bonding with Athena and giving her his trust.
Again, I apologize once more if I came off rude, that wasn't my intention, I just politely disagree to an extent.
You didnt come off as rude at all, dont worry about it.
How was kratos not a jerk ass in the first game? Fkash backs show hom murderinf innocent people. The Nostalgia bias os crazy.
Thanks for these videos. The GoW trilogy is pretty important to me, it helped me through a difficult childhood. I'm afraid this misinterpretation of Kratos has destroyed any chance of future media involving Kratos being accurate, and this saddens me a lot. Knowing some people understand Kratos as I did gives me hope at least some people won't forget the true Kratos.
and ngl the jerkass kratos meme IS (imo) the reason they rebooted sorta to dados, and in hindsight just playing the 3 first games back to back it isn't that bad, but those inbetweengames (ghost, chains, ascension) really are what over the slow release time solidified the jerkass kratos as main kratos thing,
which ,
yeah,
i can see then why writers would feel trapped with him as a character,
in the inbetweengame you cant do much more but you also don't want him to feel totally different ,
its a sorta hard puzzle that ends on a, should've kept the inbetweengames between 1 and 2, then you could've had enough time to flesh it all out,
and could in chains make it that the reason only he does it is because of the half mortal part keeping him from sleeping or being captured idk, then explain it as that being the reason kratos is debuffed in the games( to level up again) and call it a day , GOW 1 should've just been the first period :/
it is what it is and hindsight is 2020 but yeah the prequels are what kinda muddy up a fine arc of losing ones humanity XD an arc kratos desperately wishes arteus doesn't fall in in gow4 , ow well... time to finish 3 and sit through the boring speech about hope XD
God, i really hope Bacon still chats with you, heh. I saw the Goku video actually, but i forgot before or after your vid. But if beforehand, i must have had context.
I've never talked to bacon actually. I was kinda hoping he would see and comment on the video.
May I have your thoughts on Kratos inheriting the role of “God of War” at the end of the first game? I personally thought that he never wanted that position that Athena/other gods forced him into- like he wanted to be freed from PTSD, and instead he got a role he didn’t ask for. I can see that the only aspect of the job he enjoyed was when he helped the Spartans, otherwise, I feel like he never wanted that burden. Thanks for your time man! Loved the videos :)
Looking back on it, this is probably why he's so fucking angry in 2 and 3. Technically his servitude to the gods never ended because they needed a new god of war.
If you actually see his first Nobody Understands Kratos, it is what it's about, that he didn't hate the gods, and he treated with the correspondent respect, holding he got rid of his visions.
But that once after the halfway of GOW 2 and GOW 3 the angry always Kratos is the one being remembered.
I'd argue Freya attacked Kratos in their house was because she was emotionally frustrated, and decided to not kill him not only when he stopped Bear Atreus, but after regaining her logic and reflecting upon, even just a bit, on Kratos's empathy.
In chains he only killed persephone because he was given power by zeus and helios combined. Freya was very clearly not sure about murdering him and was stumped by the bear. Goku is selfless in dbz generally, he just made a big mistake with his son because he wanted him to be indipendent and ended up feeling guilty because he thought the villains that were all connected to him in some way were his fault
It doesn't matter by what means he killed a god, he did it, so doing it again wouldn't mean all that much. And in GOW 1 he had powers from all 3 major gods, the head of Medusa, Artemis' sword and the power of hope and almost lost.
Hell yea, part one was ace
It really was I think this guy is on the same level as TOTALLYNOTBACON
can't wait
10:07 my comments are entirely philosophical and have great levels of meaning integrated into them; hence the reason I'll classify this statement as false.
Also you gotta play GOW Ragnarok before you piss off it's fanbase💀
Incredible vid, mate. Looking forward to more.
I wish i could have played the old games.
I only played the norse games and kratos was deep there and interesting. From the clips you showed he had an interesting journey from serving the gods to distrusting them to hating them and being consumed by hatred that slowely burned until he became a rage filled monster
made it to the end! mic sounds perfectly fine. I appreciate making a video addressing comments and criticisms on the first kratos video. Hope your channel keeps on chuggin and growing!
That's why i think that Gow:ghost of sparta did a great job displaying kratos's character and motives and did a far better job than chains of olympus and ascension. It's set perfectly between gow1 and gow2 and it shows you why kratos started getting so bitter and mad at the gods by the end of it because they robbed him of his mother and brother which were the last remaining family to him his last attachement to his humanity. And what was athena's response? "oh hey you don't have any ties to your family or humanity but who cares you're ready to become a god now lol" which again is a perfect demonstration of how big of an assholes the gods were towards kratos.
keeping the legacy alive youre a man of culture!
don't like the new games one bit but og games were something else
There's a really simple answer for why it's so easy to kill gods in the later games, Kratos still had the Power of hops in him all the way to III, and in the new games he's a God again.
What I wondered in the video is why you didn't also use the term "Flanderization" which is another term about the Simpsons that described your exact issue with Jerlass Homer.
The only thing i can say is thanks (Out of words bro sorry).
Why are you mispronouning saiyan? My only complaint 😅
for the comment...
Actually this makes kratos more depth. Kratos is denial that why kraots still serve the god.
Game Devs!!!!!!!!!!!
I bring the destruction of Jerk @$$ Kratos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn you know the lore and everything 😍😍😍
@@theIJPmexican . Thanks although I definitely don't know near as much of the lore as I would like to.
I only had the chance to buy and play GOW3 and GOW4.
The rest of the games, I'm having to watch on TH-cam.
@@theIJPmexican . Going by the information from your last GOW video, I think my own imaginary canon will be that Chains Of Olympus and the Norse games happen in a different timeline.
That way the timeline where Kratos was always a deep detailed character still exists and goes forward with it's own superior Kratos, as in the Kratos who was apparently not always just a vengeful rage machine even after what Ares did with the family.
@@zombiedemon1762 but chains adds onto kratos ' character and its a minor inconsistence at best. He didn't even play the game lol
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 . True I didn't play the game so my thoughts might change when I do if I ever get the chance to.
9:08 “Cyon-arc” 😐
9:26 “Saiyan-arc” 👏
Man you would hate the right way to say Bluma and Kuririn.
Kratos IS NATURALLY HOT-HEADED. You can see that in Ghost of Sparta when he was still a child. Him in GOW I is NOT his natural state. Decade of thankless and fruitless servitude took it's toll. You can see how dejected he looks before facing Ares, the being he hates most. He didn't look like a man seeking revenge, he looked like he was seeking peace. And he was seeking peace the best way he knew how. With violence, because there was no therapy in ancient Greece. By serving the Gods he chose, in his mind, the easiest way to deal with his problem. When that didn't work he had two other options which were learning to live with it or commit suicide. We all know which he chose.
ghost of sparta came out after the first game and takes place after Gow 2, only flashbacks take place before the first game, so those flashbacks are active retcons to fit in into rest of the changes santa monica made in their side games to fit into end of Gow2/Gow3 personality rather than how he actually progressed as a character, still even in the main story of ghost of sparta Kratos is mostly calm, there is even achievment on the psp after fight with deimos that says kratos let him win, your argument doesn't make any sense and Kratos did what Gods told him to cause he belived he could trust them, if he didn't like chains of olympus tried to state he wouldn't be serving them for 10 years especially if you try to insunate that he hated the Gods since he was a child even before he swore an aliegence to Aries. IF HE KNEW ARIES DIRECTLY KIDNAPPED AND KILLED (to his curent knowledge) HIS BROTHER THEN THE WHOLE STORY OF GOW 1 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, AT ALL.
@@motivatedpotato6604 Just because the games were released after the fact doesn't mean they're retcons. Also your statement " if you try to insunate that he hated the Gods since he was a child even before he swore an aliegence to Ares". I have no clue how you came to that conclusion. Nowhere in my comment did I say that.
These two videos are my favorites. I still think you make the best point.
God of war took a weird turn when they stopped making Kratos sad and he started being angry.
Everyone who says Kratos has changed in God of war 2018 hasn't played the games.
He's just now returned to the man he was in God of war one again where he's trying to save and help people.
He definitely wasnt trying to help or save anyone on one. He kills civvies, lets the boat captain die ( only to use him as a stepping stone again) and burn one of his soldiers alive so he can progress.
@@bigboss6145 he reaches out to innocent people to try and help them, and sympathizes with civilians who aren't gods. He even begs some people who are running away from him not to be afraid. He's not perfect or anything, but he tried.
I don't think you look at the games from an adult storytelling POV. You already have preconceived opinions. I think once you get older, the story will make alot more sense to you. It's not as much about what he does or how he does it, but the emotion behind what he's doing. Also the Freya thing is because she knows she needs Kratos to help her against Odin. She knows his capabilities, so of course he's more valuable. It makes perfect sense. The whole story does no matter what order you play the games if you can understand how to frame stories in order and then verbalize it in a video. Also, with comments, they're opinions. Take what you want from it.
how old am I?
@@theIJPmexican idk, and you know that. Your response to constructive criticism tells me all I need to know. You address nothing I said. I never said you weren't an adult, my opinion is you don't look at the narrative from an adult neutral perspective.
@@smartdreamz8669 Your comment didn't address any of the points in the video, tells me all i need to know..
its crazy that you will use lines like this "I think once you get older, the story will make alot more sense to you"
then pretend you "never said you weren't an adult"
@@CinnabarSage since you want to speak for him, I don't think he's looking at the actual motives and justification of why kratos did what he did that made him who he is now. Kratos is smart and naive at the same time. He's easily manipulated and I think Athena did and still does manipulate him. Faye used him as well, she probably loved him, but she knew his past and knew she could start changing him and Atreus would completely change him which lead to Odins death. It's all about the endgame