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Join us in this thought-provoking discussion about the recent controversy surrounding Kpop idols being involved in Starbucks political issues. Should idols take a stand on controversial topics and become role models for their fans, or should they stay out of politics and focus solely on their music? We explore both sides of the debate and invite you to share your thoughts on this complex issue.
Some obnoxious people pushing their agenda on BTS from as UN representatives in anti bullying and self love, to political and humanity representatives. They aim for the BTS ARMY massive support and collective people. It was way more powerful than political support.
Everyone has the right to SPEAK OUT THEIR VIEWS,OPINIONS,IDEA, etc.
But NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THEIR RIGHT TO ANY OTHER'S!
Those bigots who speak out the loudest think they have MORE ROIGHT to enforce their's unto others.
But what i see is, just like namjoon did.( i love how they really lived up to their name: Bulletproof) they stand the ground, rejecting the rejection, and deflecting the damage by not speaking out anything abt what they've been pressed to and surrender to admit anything the masses wants, even their own fans.
When namjoon got pressed and accused abt the song he shared on his IG story, he stand his ground and NOT APOLOGIZING. This is what i love abt him. He got this conviction and confidence to stand on what he thibk is right. He wasn't get swayed by the mass pressure he got on him. He knows what is right, and he stand his ground.
And how namjoon take a stance against this kind of political, religious, or anything haters used against him, he always come back to his core: ART. And that is what he kept talking abt. Not any other. He got that root grip deep in the art life, that he lived and loved.
Him being the leader of Bulletproof Boys, make a huge great example how to not giving any eff for those toxic obnoxious oportunist haters that wants to find the worm hole to bring BTS down.
Every people that always pushing their agenda to BTS, is considered as haters. Because they try to conrtrol BTS, even cloaked themselves as someone who is sympathic to them, or even empathetic about their position.
If they really care, they will respect their posisition and choice. And that controlling spirit insfluenced attitude. is what we should fight within the army.
I hope more army will stand their ground, just like namjoon has. We stand for BTS, not to control, but to support.
Bravo well said.
Totally agree with you 100% not many people do their own research or care to do so or even know how to do the research. Some people just follow for the need to be part of something.
Watching from Alaska..I love your outlook and comments about how you feel,silver army 67. HAPPY NEW YEARS 🎉
Ok, I am responding to this before watching the video and going off the title. I am 60, I have always believed that entertainers should keep their personal beliefs private. They are in a "no win" situation IMHO. If they want to support a cause there's a way to do it anonymously. It is a double edged sword which is why I always thought that they should just be quiet.
I think sometimes celebrities feel a need to voice their opinions on certain subjects, and they have a right to do so, but you are right, they have to be mindful of the consequences of doing so. There will be people that will agree with them and people that will drag them to filth of they don’t agree. They have to be prepared for the fall out for voicing their beliefs
@@KristinaMoonchild7 I just don't like when they get unnecessary hatred
I mean, lets stop intellectualizing things. If i see someone getting sponsored to advertise a business who treats their employees horribly, i’m not going to support them. That’s just some bad behavior, idols or not. Their lack of moral responsibility won’t stop me from voting with my wallet. The best thing i can do is to not interact with that artist and encourage others to do the same. That’s MY moral responsibility as a member of the public. Ignorant and vainglorious public figures should dwindle into irrelevance. The fun that i get from their art is less important than the reality of starbucks employees getting fired and getting union busted left and right.
I know nothing about starbucks as I don't drink coffee or live in the US. Here in the UK we have employee protection laws which if the company isn't based in the UK such as Starbucks it still has to operate according to UK laws.
While I don't think it's fair, it is unfortunately a fact. People look up to artists. Regardless of culture or country. So with that in mind I do believe they have moral obligations. But I absolutely feel that artists should not speak on politics or war. Regardless of where they stand on the subject, they are artists. They should not be condemned on what coffee they happen to drink. Fans need to realize that everyone is different. With different lives. We won't agree on everything. And that includes artists.
I hope you has a lovely time with your family. I absolutely want to know where you got your hat...It's so cute! I agree with everything you said. Thank you for reacting and Happy New Year! ✌💜
I think that in this context we unfortunately do not have the luxury of being able to separate the "political" from the "moral". Support for Israel isn't just a belief, it's a political standing. Zionism isn't an opinion, it's a political project founded on the cleansing of Palestinians. I wish I could brush aside some people's support for Israel as just human difference. But I can't. When 22,000 Palestinians have been killed, we can't be careless with these beliefs. We have a duty as humans to stand against injustice. And to the point on what people are doing for their own country, I don't think that's a fair call-out. Of course everyone should try to make a difference where they are but standing in solidarity and fighting for those far away is what makes us human isn't it? Imagine we all looked away from the videos of dead and injured men, women and children all the way in Gaza and said "Well, it's too far from me so I can't do much". I don't think so. During the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, Palestinians showed such strong support for the movement. They had murals of George Floyd on their streets and gave tips to protesters in the US on how to manage tear gas attacks from the police. We are all connected. We must all do what we can to stand against oppression.
Personally I don't believe in trying to force some one to believe in what u believe or don't believe. If U believe in God then so be it. If u don't then so be it. But that's my view. U don't have to share in it if u don't want to. Lol. We all have freedom of choice.
My daughter works for Starbucks. We had a discussion about the issue of Israel and Palestine. She proceeded to tell me about the situation occuring about the money they say that Starbucks was giving Israel money. My daughter is very much a person that follows politics. This is the situation that she said happened. There was a rumour on tik-tok. People ran with that rumour punishing Starbucks. It happens all the time that Starbucks gets attacked. Now I believe that you are right. People shouldn’t be pushing their issues. BTS is special. I like the way RM talks about green issues. Help their community. Keep up Korean traditions. I really respect them for what they do and who they are.
I am a BTS Army. I am also vegan. Imagine if I would accuse and boicot BTS because they eat meat or wear the things they wear. It bothers me, yes and i wish they change. But I don't boicot them. i just don't share in my personal media those pictures or videos. I share only the ethical and good things of them.
Thats a really great attitude .Appreciate you for that😊
I respect that because, I truly believe that there are more then 1 truth's.
Umm.. a genocide and a dietary choice are two different things 🙄
@@dark_evening_sky i was talking about not pushing artists to promote or not promote causes. And as a personal note, genosides are genosides no mater what species, although i generally hate humans. I am an animal rescuer since my 20s and when i fell in a serious depression after more than 25 years in rescue, BTS help me calm my thoughts and care for myself more. So i don't like or have fun with e. I. 'super tuna' or get excited with all those expensive brand promotions Armys think are Godlike, but i don't boicot them either. Thank you.
@@sundycy Meat consumption is not genocide rather simply a dietary choice. Humans have been eating meat since the prehistoric ages.
On the other hand, a genocide is not just killing of humans, but erasure of an entire community from the face of earth. Their past, present, future everything. Israel is killing little babies, women and men of Palestine. They are destroying their historical places, places of worship, educational institutions, hospitals and everything. They are even killing their animals. From street dogs and cats to wildlife.
This is the reason behind the boycott call. People are calling for boycott of brands that support this genocide. Literally nobody is thinking of idols as Gods. We just want them to not work with certain brands. People are literally dying in Palestine. Asking to be politically aware and act according to that will never be too much to ask for. Especially for the celebrities (idol or not) who live more privileged lives than the general public.
Art is a tool that raises awareness. The Middle Age bards were a powerful advisory and political force. Middle age painters took stands against abuse of power by adding subtle symbolic signs. Popular songs were often a covert way to fight absolute power. Some books or articles triggered wars and revolutions. When it comes to support financially or socially someone, our endorsement, our following, our money, our friendship add to the causes they promote. Respecting another's opinion is valid in a discussion and necessary in business. However any sign of support will remove any consequences to perpetuating a system of oppression, abuse, racism, sexism, economic exploitation or whatever else a specific regime, party, religion, business promotes actively. That's standing for your own opinion and the world you shape. It's a powerful tool eg embargo against South African's apartheid, or presently North Korea's totalitarian regime - and therefore it should be used wisely rather than willy-nilly because of some "influencer" or "latest trend".
Celebrities get shoved into roles they didn’t ask for sometimes, it’s ridiculous for them. How can track down what the new issue is and make choices all the time? They just want to live their lives. Some celebrities choose to get involved, like Taylor Swift. For these, they’re sort of ready to make a stand.
Ricky Gevais is a star he'll never ignore the 'difficult subjects he's savage and we Brit's love his savageness, of him being willingness to call people out whoever they are without worrying what other may think of him.
Thank you again for your thoughts. My viewpoint is somewhat mixed, to some degree I think artists that are famous should have some degree of responsibility in how they act and that comes hand in hand with their fame. I am seventy one and the reason I started following BTS and the reason I admire them so much is that they have always set a fairly high degree of standards to the Army. When I was young I grew up with all the great groups and artists, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, followed by many groups in the seventies and eighties. Unfortunately they did not always set us a good example to follow. Drugs, sex and alcohol seemed to be many of their mantra and many fans followed suit and thought it was the way to live. Some of those idols died living that life, some survived and changed their lifestyle, but probably many fans lives were destroyed following suit. Some may say that was their fault and yes it was in some ways, but the influence of our idols should never be discounted. I loved the music but hated their conduct.
K Pop and BTS especially is refreshing to me as they keep South Korea’s moral standards to ensure their continuity in the business and I think it appeals to the global population that are tired of artists who think it’s all about them and not the fans. BTS have been political at times in their music about societal issues in their own country and have supported issues of discrimination and bullying internationally but the do it spoken from a youth perspective and support causes with respect.
I was unaware of the Starbucks issue as perhaps many people are so how many K Pop artist have gone in there innocently buying their coffee and all of a sudden find themselves embroiled in controversy. Mulch as I love all things Korean one of things I dislike is their propensity to condemn first and ask questions later. And since when has buying a cup of coffee in a certain place mean you are expressing a political statement, it just means you are buying coffee! Should celebrities comment on political issues, it is up to them but after hearing some comments some have made over the years, perhaps some should refrain. But I do believe if you want the fame there has to be some degree of responsibility, if you do not want that then perhaps you are in the wrong business because your influence has potential to do good or to do harm!
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Get a life!!!
Advocacies and political/ideological positions are individual stance and rights. Celebrities like stars and idols are artists are followed by fans. These have to be differentiated. They have to be respected or tolerated if not embraced. Fundamental and basic rules held in common are subject choices.
Whether someone is an artist a doctor a road sweeper or a whatever their profession they should have the same rights as any other one else and shouldn't be held more or less accountable than anyone else after all they are just people like the rest of us. They have their good points and they have their flaws like all humans every where. They may also have differing idea's than other certain other groups and should be able to be themselves rather than be someone 'other's' went them to be. As long as they are not doing anything illegal.
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IMO, it's not about being a role model or a political influencer. It's about being human. I don't need idols to guide us, to teach us or any of that. I just expect them to be human. Where something is seen to be funding the genocide of a group of people I feel no qualms about not using that thing and calling for others to stop using it. I would expect that they as people would also stand with us because they too are HUMAN. Regular people on tiktok ar getting called out for buying Starbucks or McDonalds, it's just that idols have a bigger platform so that response will always be bigger.
We are all human, and the one thing that we have is the freedom of choice. Choice when to speak, when not to speak or the choice to even speak. The key word here is "choice". By forcing entertainers to speak on something they aren't familiar with or comfortable with is close to bully behavior. They may have a bigger platform but they have a choice to use it or not. War is ugly, bloody, sometimes necessary and unfortunately innocent people do die. They should have the freedom to choose to get Starbucks if they choose to or get mcds if they want without people hounding them about it. You have a choice to not get Starbucks or mdcs why can't you show them the same courtesy? On the surface the war seems to be a clear-cut. However, it goes deeper then what is on the surface. Waaaay deeper. I would recommend you doing your own research and come with your own conclusions. And again that is your choice to do so or not. Stick to the facts and not opinions. ✌️