Hawaii Jobs We Don’t Often Talk About

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  • @HelloFromHawaii
    @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    There are a lot of underappreciated jobs in Hawaii. While this isn't a comprehensive list of all of the jobs, I really just wanted to highlight three of them, especially because I have some experience in the fields. So mahalo to those people who perform these jobs. People notice, even if not everyone says anything 🤙

  • @ssglopezvm
    @ssglopezvm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Shoutout to all custodians and porters! My dad was a super in New York City in the 80-90’s. I was teenager, i remember helping him clean 4 buildings, take tons of trash and mop stairs. It’s tough work.
    What I remember most was how much the tenants appreciated and acknowledged his work. 🤙

  • @mmmpotstickers8684
    @mmmpotstickers8684 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Have been a custodian a couple of times and then became a homeowner. I know how to clean, make minor repairs, and the right names of parts when I go to the hardware store. I also know when to call the professional!

  • @mattk1745
    @mattk1745 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I taught at a high school. I was told that the most important people in the school are the custodians and the secretaries. This was the best piece of advice I ever received as a teacher.

    • @BobbyHo2022
      @BobbyHo2022 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We used to treat the custodians in elementary school as royalty.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My Dad told me the same thing.

  • @laidbacktraveler2580
    @laidbacktraveler2580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Custodial services are an absolute necessity of society and are taken for granted 99% of the time. Worked as one in the past and would have no problem doing it again if need be. Not my first, or even second/third choice of employment, but work is work and a paycheck is a paycheck!

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's a good experience. Very humbling and it has helped broaden my perspective on how a workplace operates.

  • @reneecollin8825
    @reneecollin8825 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice video to acknowledge people / jobs, not only in Hawaii, but in other states (like mine) also! Thxs🌸

  • @jorgearevalo1879
    @jorgearevalo1879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well said good to hear someone expressing good things about others 👍

  • @KAII_Official
    @KAII_Official 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mahalos for this video. Travel a lot and am always using the airport bathrooms. Just giving one smile with a simple thank you... brah... I can tell you, it lights up the faces of the attendants and most of all... it costs nothing to be kind, to be courteous or to be grateful. Give Aloha, Get Aloha. Again, planny mahalos for putting this video together and putting it out there. Big Love and Alohas all around! 🤙🤙🤙

  • @raytokumoto2200
    @raytokumoto2200 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Great topic. We live in a big condo in the mainland. It’s disturbing to see how people treat our housekeepers and security staff. I don’t know if it’s just the Hawaii thing in me but I always acknowledge them, say hi etc and make small talk with them. They appreciate it. I even try using my broken Spanish to say things and they appreciate it. It doesn’t cost you $ to be kind. I so believe in karma and don’t want bachi! Nice video/reminder.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think it's great just to talk story and acknowledge them. Without them, the common areas would be a mess and I'm pretty sure the residents wouldn't clean it up.

    • @kshinokevin
      @kshinokevin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that is so True...

  • @SunnyIlha
    @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It's definitely true.
    Every place would be filthy dirty and a nasty mess if were not for Custodians.

  • @hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087
    @hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    1st Law of Work ... Work is easy for those who don't have to do it ... and the people who complain the most, are the ones who understand the least about the Work and would never, ever do the Work themselves.
    When you see the big picture of things, all jobs are important and take effort to achieve.

  • @Duhble07
    @Duhble07 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Yes! Well said. These are the people we depend on.

  • @alanyoung159
    @alanyoung159 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yeeees, Booth Park! I grew up in Pauoa, so basically my childhood was playing and swimming, and after school at that park

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's a great park. Pretty clean and good bunch of families around.

  • @CosmoguyDale
    @CosmoguyDale 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hotel housekeeping. If you can't leave a few bucks every day with a kind note, then you need to stay home. Their job is so tough and so unappreciated. Step up, folks...their pay isn't much. Your kindness might mean an unexpected treat for the kids at home. ☺ A shout out to the folks at the Hale Koa...nicest anywhere!!

    • @boosed264
      @boosed264 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I cancel my housekeeping during my stay so they don't need to clean. In fact every hotel should get rid of daily housekeeping.

    • @PerrincinaSprecaci
      @PerrincinaSprecaci 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I got a job at the Golden Nugget in Reno back in the 90's as a housekeeper. The size of the room we cleaned determined how much time you were allotted to clean the room, the lowest being 8 minutes up to maximum 18 minutes. You were not allowed to go past 18 or you'd get written up. I watched the woman who was training me do all kinds of gross things to cut corners on time - the reason I will never stay in a hotel again, because I KNOW those rooms are filthy even after being "cleaned".

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hale Koa is great. Always enjoyed the service and staff.

  • @kelvinyschun
    @kelvinyschun 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Interesting topic
    In Asia, custodians are elderly...sometimes opposite sex in bathrooms.
    At a school, I seen students drop trash in front of custodian...
    Education has changed as students population change.
    Security is tough as crime increases with masked criminals.
    Manufacturing jobs tough. ...pineapple cannery @$2/hr, 10 min breaks, and 400 cans of pineapple/ minute.
    Microphone sounds great

    • @SunnyIlha
      @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I knew this one guy, 25-year Custodian by profession.
      He made 67,000.00 a year back in *1984* !!
      He was employed by a 4-Year College.
      A Vietnamese boat refugee escape survivor who barely got out of South Vietnam with his life.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My Mom worked at the cannery. That was tough work, but for most it was temporary.
      And thanks for the mic comment. Switched back to my old mic for this one.

  • @milessakauye8819
    @milessakauye8819 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Chris, thank for the vlog. Every year around New Years Day, my Dad would put a case of beer out for the garbage collectors to show his appreciation.

  • @88amona
    @88amona 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Amen brother. Thankyou. I use to be a Custodian in Hawaii. Im now one currently in Utah, here they look at you like the trash you pickup. Huge change from the island 🏝

  • @alaskanjade9951
    @alaskanjade9951 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It was a every rewarding to see my area stay clean the longest

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When I used to pressure wash sidewalks, I took pride in my work when I couldn't find any dirty spots the following day.

  • @eddenoy321
    @eddenoy321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I used to work a US gov't. job at Honolulu airport. I can tell you that the custodians (state employees) at the airport made more than most federal employees and that they had less stress.

    • @SunnyIlha
      @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@eddenoy321
      Yes, it's true. Many certain specific Custodian positions (gov, etc) earn really comfortable incomes.
      And they do immaculate work.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting. Didn't know they paid that much. Union job?

    • @eddenoy321
      @eddenoy321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HelloFromHawaii State of Hawaii job, and likely one that takes years of waiting to get. Unless you have a connection. They are tight knit bunch, those State "sanitary technicians' or whatever title they hold.

  • @Golgibaby
    @Golgibaby 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It provokes the question in the attitude of curiosity: why don't we often talk about it? The lens of examination sheds light on topics we'd rather leave to ignorance being bliss...aspects of human nature that might not be the most glamorous to air out polite conversation...leads to rabbit holes into complex and complicated problems that unearths more questions about systems and individual actions and free will and determinism and more things on my interest list I've yet get a firm grasp of, but am interested in gaining clarity...and then I remind myself to take a deep breath, remember your point about your video about the base line expression of gratitude and recognition of making these people taking on these tough jobs feel seen and heard....by mindful and explicit gratitude....in the effort of finding solutions/problem solving, I entertain my monkey mind: there's gotta be a way to rebrand or re-culture the idea of these type of occupations that keep our communities running and to change the labor force landscape...but how? Mahalos for the rumination...🤙😅

    • @Golgibaby
      @Golgibaby 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      BRAH, A.I. 🤯

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a good question to ask. I guess we don't talk about it because maybe jobs are valued by society based on salary, which is based on a variety of things.

  • @hi2ca2fl11
    @hi2ca2fl11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    my dad born in 1911, taught me to forever remember
    minoru hoda atama no sagaru inohokana

    • @eddenoy321
      @eddenoy321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is that Japanese ? 'Atama o sagaru' usually means like 'respect , admire'. The rest I don't quite understand.

  • @Californiansurfer
    @Californiansurfer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    ❤Downey California. I work for aluminum plant and am Maintence worker which everyone is Mexicano or spanish speaking workers which whites or Asians refused to do our work. Yes, we have our families and we are honest and do our best to survive. I am Chicano Mexicano American which I live into two worlds. I live in english speaking world and spanish speaking world in Calfornia. United States first European language was spanish and today, I am seeing more and more Spanish being spoken everywhere. Even Hawaii.. I learned about the Paniolo Mexicano cowboys. We are still here.. Downey California.

  • @erickim2025
    @erickim2025 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never thought much of the janitors or custodians & how much different the areas would be if they weren't doing their jobs new respect for doing a menial task, as teachers I always felt they underpaid & unappreciated not to mentioned vital to the education system, security officers serve an important function to my family 's safety if I'm not available, kudos . Thanks for bringing up often forgotten jobs that we need but overlook😊

  • @garytellep5392
    @garytellep5392 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Whether a custodian works in Honolulu or Anchorage Alaska their job is pretty much the same (less snow of course), or any where's else. For some people with challenges it's often a lifetime goal, many others a step leading somewhere else or adding extra money and for still others it's the step you wound up on. In the 1980s with new resorts popping up all over West Hawaii the question was where are the staff employees and contractors going to live? "Housing": today's Hawaii dilemma wasn't much different 45 years ago. Commuting of course was the reality, and driving a long commute was common. Fact being, the machine quits working when those folks are AWOL. And forever their thanks is usually ridicule, low wages, increased responsibilities and demanded anonymity. A decent, livable wage for a 40 hr. workweek right? For the unenlightened, Henry Ford made that policy in 1926! And his advisors learned a 48 hour workweek yielded very little in returns. In Fairbanks Alaska today McDonalds jobs start at $15/hr. by next summer likely, certainly the one after that it'll be near $20. And taking a couple of kiddies and your wife there won't give you much change from a fifty dollar bill. McDonalds service jobs were never intended as careers, I worked at a Jack-In-The-Box in high school but 60 years later you see too many adults working the floor and that's their income. Hard to have politicians fix this when the last time many of them pumped gas or bought a quart of milk was back in the 1980s. Unfortunately the problem is everywhere in America now and not hidden anymore it's in plain sight. You see folks working retail and service in Waikiki and you ask how do they manage it?

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mahalo for the comment. To answer your question, I think they manage by working multiple jobs, government assistance, and/or living with family. It's tough.

    • @garytellep5392
      @garytellep5392 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HelloFromHawaii Living and working in Hawaii before you were born I already knew that answer. The issue is what has the State of Hawaii done to help fix the problem? Not ideas, concepts, proposals, committees - actual implementations? Even if they fail, how many plans went into effect? And the tourist industry is regulated by the government so what's their role in this? The answer, very few implementations. Little accomplished 40 years ago and even worse today. And it isn't only Hawaii - NYC, San Francisco, LA, Chicago, a long list. The same common denominators apply yet little is implemented to result in actual changes. One difference though, Hawaii actually has odds in their favor to remedy things a lot better. Ask yourself; if you need to work 2, or 3 jobs, live in assisted housing programs jammed up with hundreds of folks in the same situation why would anyone choose to live anymore in Hawaii - particularly on Oahu? The local governments solution is to blind eye to Pu'uhonua O Wai'anae, likely the first of many more to spring up all over the island? In the early 1980s there was little vagrancy on Oahu, particularly downtown. And now? Like D.C., the people responsible for "fixing" these problems have good paying jobs, or adequate jobs, benefits and living conditions. They don't work 3 jobs with no time off - civil servants mostly. Time to get creative, use some initiative, be bold. It's how the Ancients discovered Hawaii to begin with right?

  • @MakazHome
    @MakazHome 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great reminders. Tfs 🤙🏽🌺

  • @SunnyIlha
    @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I worked as a custodian on my own as an independent contractor (one-guy small business sole proprietor) out of necessity a very long time ago to bridge changing occupations.
    I did that for only two months. Whew, not fun.
    Custodians need recognition.
    A long long time ago i worked as a security officer, for Pinkerton.
    I had to once, prevent-break up a gang fight.
    Just me, alone. In-between two gangs of a couple dozen crazies.
    (Which i did).
    Man, i had to use all the tricks in the book. 😅
    They must have thought *I* was crazy.
    I saw a lot of weeeeiiiird stuff in that job.
    My boss was going to clear me to be an armed guard, and i thought, ok, *I'm* *out* , I'm not gonna end up having to shoot nobody!
    😅
    Security guards need recognition since they can possibly *get* *killed* doing that.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mahalo for sharing. Security officer sounds tough. I've seen what some of them deal with at work and at the library.

    • @SunnyIlha
      @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HelloFromHawaii
      It was actually a kind of spooky job.
      I had to interface with a lot of weirdos and people also high on crack, dope and all sorts of drugs. Even smashed drunkards in fits of rage.
      I had to get people in the middle of drug deals out of public restrooms.
      It was a spooky job.
      I had to make real good friends with the beat cops who walked the Avenue in a duo.

  • @dukeloo
    @dukeloo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    pauoa. Who are you kidding? We're all powerless in someway.

  • @julieb7882
    @julieb7882 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    All jobs are important. I always appreciate the trash collectors. It is an often smelly, dirty job.

    • @SunnyIlha
      @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@julieb7882
      Yes. They deserve recognition.
      You know, the garbage collectors (Heavy Truck, Garbage Collection type Truck Driver/Operators) earn 98,000.00 to 106,000.00 a year?

  • @ej2953
    @ej2953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In some cases, an error by a custodian can cause an enormous ruckus and even make the news.
    The best example that I know of this took place in an office in Houston, Texas something like 25 or 30 years ago.
    It was a one of the big law firms in Houston. The custodian saw some waded up papers on a desktop in one office and threw them in the trash bag and dumped them. It turned out that the lawyer was carefully going through them for pertinent and necessary evidence in a big law suit. I don't remember the full consequences, but they were talking like throwing those papers away may have cost the plaintiff any chance of winning a lawsuit and receiving a million or more in damage.
    When I worked at one company in Houston, the custodians were never allowed to throw away anything that was not physically in a trash can. If, for some reason, you had more trash than would fit in the trash can and it was overflowing, they would empty the paper out of the trash can and set it back down where it was without disturbing the overflow around it.
    At my current company, I take out my own trash. The custodians are never permitted to even touch the trash can. It's a big trash can and I don't normally have that much trash so I usually take it out once every two to four weeks. While there is nothing secret, there is often confidential information such as passwords and account info that absolutely must be shredded. In every other office in the building, the custodian does dump the trash cans.
    I don't know how accurate it is, but I've been told that at certain security agencies, one of the toughest security clearances is to handle the trash. They want people who will handle and destroy the trash according to carefully thought out procedures while never reading anything in the trash.

    • @ej2953
      @ej2953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      By the way, I have offered to help out the city, if they need it, with driving a garbage truck for a day or two. So far, they have never needed it, but I have driven a fork lift for them to lift heavy and bulky items up to be loaded into the garbage truck.
      Never hesitate to get your hands dirty if your help is needed.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mahalo for sharing. I can imagine that custodians would handle some sensitive information, even if it's shredded paper. Big responsibility.

  • @SuperpowersUniversity
    @SuperpowersUniversity 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Try saying ALOHA 1000 times a day and smile.
    🤙🤪

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤙

    • @yswizzle5072
      @yswizzle5072 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As a hotel lobby attendant, that is so true. Most people ignore me. So I say it louder, 2 or 3 more times. Adding up to a hundred billion ending my shift.

  • @byronharano2391
    @byronharano2391 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dear Chris. Your Ohana is beautiful. I love your videos. Make small kine homesick. Small. Living in Whetstone, AZ now.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mahalo for checking out the videos 🤙. I had to look at Whetstone on the map. Down south.

    • @byronharano2391
      @byronharano2391 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HelloFromHawaii Southeastern Arizona, Cochise County. Mahalo for taking time to look us up Chris.

  • @alexcarter8807
    @alexcarter8807 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you're white and non-wealthy, and move to Hawaii (or your parents moved you there when you were little so you grew up there) you'd better know about these jobs because they'll be the only kind of job you can get. You will be in the underclass, and it will be an underclass type job for you.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are other opportunties as well. I think if you're educated and have relevant work experience, you may find something. If not, I guess there's always construction or retail.

    • @88amona
      @88amona 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's a possibility. I'm assuming that's your experience brother? I'm Hawaiian and I wasn't really hacking it there myself. I worked all sorts of gigs (custodian included) saved my money 💰 and moved my small family and myself to Utah, where in 5 years time worked at many jobs and landed a career as a facility manager (glorified custodian/fancy name for head custodian- they still look at ya like the trash you pickup over here regardless LOL) and bought my own house 🏠. It's been 7 years now, and I don't think we'll ever beable to move back to the land we are from.

  • @OreoZCookie2020
    @OreoZCookie2020 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im in school for radiology, when i finish i plan to move my family to Hawaii. Are there many hospitals or clinics

  • @davidbarker6899
    @davidbarker6899 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I grew up in Hawaii Kai and our parks suck compared to that park, the grass is nice, maybe it was after a rainy time

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It rains a lot near Punchbowl.

  • @thomasmatthew7759
    @thomasmatthew7759 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cleaning up the same messes all the time for people that take you for granted? So a parent lol

  • @okolemahu
    @okolemahu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every society has its chiefs and Indians. We can’t have a society of all chiefs. There has to be some Indians.

  • @MJRLHobbyStuff
    @MJRLHobbyStuff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brah, especially custodians that work for the city. The massive amount of homeless and meth heads out there can’t respect the restrooms and just totally trash them.

  • @kaigeewong4200
    @kaigeewong4200 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the points are valid... but this background music is SUS!

  • @SunnyIlha
    @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:34 played basketball there with some bruhs a few times way bac in da day
    Da kine 1/2-hour game, full court, hooevah get most points win
    We could call a foul ourselves & shoot free trows 😂
    Yu kno, local style kine wit thin hard rubbah slippah & corduroy long pants witout undawea shirtless caz hot & sweaty
    😂!!!

  • @fcเขาใหญ่
    @fcเขาใหญ่ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FC เขาใหญ่มาชมด้วยครับ❤🎉

  • @SunnyIlha
    @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    See da Ladee in da tumnaiyel?
    I *always* say *thank* *you* to them.

  • @clarkie0167
    @clarkie0167 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You in my hood. Booth Park....lol

  • @boosed264
    @boosed264 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You speak to the working class. You need to run for political office.

  • @ConwayTruckload
    @ConwayTruckload 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I live in Ewa Beach. One issue about trying to get a job in Hawaii is there are too much politics involved. Especially if you are a white male it’s almost impossible to get a job in Hawaii.

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It can be a challenge in general. I haven't experienced the race thing, but sometimes employment is about who you know and not necessarily what you know.

    • @surfewa
      @surfewa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ya it’s who you know for sure not race here.

  • @bananaskin7527
    @bananaskin7527 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Try to learn their names. At least look them in the eye, and say "Good morning" or "Thank you".
    During Covid, or with respect to working remote, if the custodian who makes less than me, can show up, ... I can show up too.

  • @brunoonoahu
    @brunoonoahu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    These jobs are NECESSARY because not one tourist cares about our island....... just saying.........

    • @SunnyIlha
      @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yu said!
      (It's Fo'Real).
      I knew a Custodian.
      He ended up retiring after 25 years in it.
      The stuff he told me!!

    • @celinacoombs4367
      @celinacoombs4367 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That’s a very broad statement. Everywhere I am, irrespective of if I’m a tourist or in my hometown I care! I am lucky enough to visit Hawaii every year and I for one am grateful to be able to spend time there and try to leave things better than I found it.

    • @SunnyIlha
      @SunnyIlha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@celinacoombs4367
      Thanks, ah, *C* !
      Yu good to Hawai'i!
      ☺️🙏

    • @PerrincinaSprecaci
      @PerrincinaSprecaci 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Way to generalize.

    • @byronharano2391
      @byronharano2391 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True mostly. Which is a lesson learned and applied as I traveled abroad. Respect every 'Aina you visit, especially as a tourist

  • @drjojo5551
    @drjojo5551 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Chris…….having multiple jobs is downright foolishness!!!!

    • @HelloFromHawaii
      @HelloFromHawaii  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Some people have to do it.