The two biggest lies on golf swing is to manipulate the arms by the arm itself, the second one is to do some wrist work at impact. Based on Anatomy knowledge,we understand the arm could be managed only by the humeru top. There are spining at both ways by the infraspinatus and supraspinatus at outside/inside of scapula. These could cause the humeru to roll clockwise and anticlockwise, the forearm will rolled by infraspinatus to horizontal position. Further extension made by pulling the supraspinatus under the help of body side contour. The proper raising of arm has nothing to do with the rest part of arm. At downswing, the process is reversed, the most important concept is when the arm goes straight at the rotation center, it will goes upward automatically, we use the trend to release the club head and push down the club. What we should care about is how to set the arm rotation centers arround the neck and tilt back to cause the arms to pass their centers earlier for just before impact. The conclusion are: the ulna pushed down all the way with open elbow angle. because the club handle is placed just underneath the end of ulna bone. The radius is activated by roll the elbow to make the radius free, then the club head could be released flatly with some outward track.
Hi Steve can you please do a video clearly identifying Mike's realise. As when he was teaching Mr Dunaway he was saying to keep the club head square to plane in this video it clearly shows him roll realise through impact and opening up the club face on the backswing. This is such an important part of the golf swing can you please clarify. Thanks for posting this video Steve 😀🏌️♂️
All tigers most recent slow motion videos you can see this exact same motion. He definitely switched his style from beginning to current. Fascinating what cameras allow us to do now.
In order for this to work in the golf swing It has to feel like it's all one continuous motion nothing ahead or behind anything else on the takeaway.As you take the club back is as it naturally wants to come through.The grip allso plays a huge part of learning this..The takeaway is the most critical part.It does creat huge club head speed that feels like you are not doing much at all.This is how the 65 year old still hits it 300 plus if he is still limber.Your harms and hands are not working hard.There staying in time with the torso.It rhythm and timing so it takes practice.You can practice alot with out a ball at home if you understand this.I remember playing this course in my 20s and back then I didn't hit the ball very far.There was a par three up hill that I would play and I was always trying to get a 7 iron on that green and I couldn't get it there I would allway try if I was playing alone.One day I tried this move on the back swing by shear experimentation .didn't really know wat I was doing but I was actually doing this move he is showing and it would increase the clubhead speed and I could easily reach that green with the 7 iron.I never forgot that and it really helped me understand What Mike is teaching.
I swing my hands which hold the club with a light grip and loose wrists like Count Yogi. His wrists are so loose he drags the club head on the ground away from the ball. No creating lag, no holding lag, no forcing the club back in line with the front arm.
Finally somebody else gets it, the clubhead will catch up at impact on its own with nice loose wrists, and you naturally generate lag as the clubhead gets behind you. Have explained to others before that you cant throw a ball with locked wrists
if you watch carefully you can clearly see that in that video he uses two distinct hands action !!!!! right after using the one i believe he uses, he has that grin on his face :). there is hidden messages in that video i believe.
Like everything else in golf..feel vs reality and a gross misunderstanding of what actually works. We know who makes the millions in tour and and we know how they swing. As of matter of fact, the best lessons for a recreational golfer is watching the LPGA players live. No more golf secrets in this day and age.
Its centrifical force.Your not pulling or pushing the club head.The hands do hardly anything consciously.Your throwing the clubhead in a circle with the turso and timeing the shaft and left arm so they form a straight line at the piont of contact.all the hands do is creating a hing affect.The average golfer does not hold the club firm enuff with the last three fingers of the left hand because they have been told to hold it lighty.If your holding it to lightly your tendency is to let go at the top and regrip on the way down.This couses all kinds of problems.Hitting the ball fat for one.Not being able to control the club head is a nother one .If your doing this the club never releases the same.The good player understands its like the coyboy catching the cafe with his rope.If the rope gets slack in it he cant control were its going.The swing is the same way.If your manipulating club in anyway on the takaway and the down swing it makes it so hard to feel theres no slack in the swing.The grip and the set up must be rt to achieve this.
Tom Saguto advises keeping a little cup in the trail wrist all the way through the swing. Club never quite catches up with the lead arm. I tried it, gave some good shots that flew lower than usual.
Ironically if you actively try to flip the club head past your hands immediately you start your downswing your brain is very likely to compensate and cause your body to turn faster and further thus curing the problem
Blah Blah Blah Try MA swing thoughts...they work great. Most of us are so brainwashed about early release and scooping. If you release “early” and turn faster to compensate you will actually add 10-20 yards. Many of us Pull down to “hold lag” it simply doesn't work. Just try it. But seriously you can have very good game following Mike Austin. 0-5 handicap 64 years old.
The X move perfect stuff in the swing this happens so fast near impossible to see yes it's teachable when did you last get told about it ? Exactly modern game forgets the keys !!!
Another myth busted is the point at which the club head reaches peek speed. Many are teaching wrong information. They now have the way of measuring the club head speed at each point of the swing, and it has shown that the peek speed is at the point of impact followed by rapid deceleration. So many coaches teach students that the fastest point is past the ball. This is categorically false.
Steve Pratt Golf That’s where we feel the force. It’s not the fastest point at all. This is a myth that’s been busted. I remember recently on a PGA tour they used the machine that measured swing speed at any point in the swing and it was always just before the impact. The commentators were actually surprised by this, because they like most people were always told, the fastest point is like you just claimed, past the impact. Brain knows where the most speed is necessary. Why would you need the speed after you have hit the ball already? There is significant deceleration immediately after the impact.
@@Mr.mallaer Are you even reading what I'm writing? Can you understand the difference between having a collision and not having a collision? Would your car slow down mysteriously if you didn't have a collision?
For all of MA's knowledge of the human body, his strength was definitely not in physics. He also thought that you don't hit down with an iron to make the ball go up.
@@emncaity Must be MA's ghost haunting someone's computer... Hey Mike, you took pretty big divots after the ball when you hit with an iron (your nickname was The Grave Digger), so yes you did.
@@mudddge Ha. Not quite. Didn't say the club isn't moving down. Of course the swing has a bottom, and of course the more "down" the ball is in a lie on the ground, the more the club has to be moving downward, which is to say that you have to catch it a little earlier on the down side of the arc. But what _you_ said was that "you hit down with an iron to make the ball go up," which isn't actually true. From a perfect lie or a low tee, level or very nearly level will do. Only in the rarest and worst circumstances do you need to make an effort to "hit down." It's just a simple fact that your normal swing arc has a bottom to it. Most people who try to "hit down" just get steeper and steeper, usually more and more outside, and dissipate force down into the ground instead of transferring it into the ball. Which is not to say that if you have somebody who's been trying to lift or scoop the ball, you won't have to try initially to get him to try to "hit down." (That'll be the classic "two aspirin will cure you but a whole bottle will kill you" thing eventually, though.)
@@mudddge I don't really buy 100% of what MA says, incidentally. But I do think he was mostly brilliant, and he understood the swing and the broad mechanics of the body awfully well, whether every single biomechanical statement would meet the most stringent standards of terminology and structure today.
Oh dear, I'm glad I didn't buy into that u-tube channel telling me how to create " monster lag ". I have heard this kind of thing from Dalton McCrary who says that from the top, don't delay turning the clubhead loose. I shall seek out as much information as I can from Mike Austin after looking at this one...….oh and there's another pretty interesting guy on here also, Steve Pratt !
In slow motion video that's what it looks like. But they are not consciously trying to hold lag. Watch M.A.'s swing in slow-mo and his hands are in front of a lagging club as well, like all good players, since forever. But it's not a position you can manipulate into, it's a product of overall good mechanics.
Aliza that’s not what Austin says. He say both arms should be straight at impact, pros do not have both arms straight at impact especially the right arm
@@kidpoker007 what he says he feels and what it looks like at impact in slow motion video are 2 totally different things. Watch MA's swing in slow mo then tell me it looks like what he says it feels. th-cam.com/video/SrGPuYgQrMY/w-d-xo.html That's the point, you won't get into good positions by trying to artificially manufacture them or by holding them or concentrating on them.
As today pga instructors are just to keep you in their schedules and they never teach you true things as they know. A person who just learned to correct golf swing they will found out that their past golf instructors didn’t teach them true things.
The two biggest lies on golf swing is to manipulate the arms by the arm itself, the second one is to do some wrist work at impact.
Based on Anatomy knowledge,we understand the arm could be managed only by the humeru top.
There are spining at both ways by the infraspinatus and supraspinatus at outside/inside of scapula.
These could cause the humeru to roll clockwise and anticlockwise, the forearm will rolled by infraspinatus to horizontal position.
Further extension made by pulling the supraspinatus under the help of body side contour.
The proper raising of arm has nothing to do with the rest part of arm.
At downswing, the process is reversed, the most important concept is when the arm goes straight at the rotation center, it will goes upward automatically, we use the trend to release the club head and push down the club.
What we should care about is how to set the arm rotation centers arround the neck and tilt back to cause the arms to pass their centers earlier for just before impact.
The conclusion are: the ulna pushed down all the way with open elbow angle. because the club handle is placed just underneath the end of ulna bone.
The radius is activated by roll the elbow to make the radius free, then the club head could be released flatly with some outward track.
Hi Steve can you please do a video clearly identifying Mike's realise. As when he was teaching Mr Dunaway he was saying to keep the club head square to plane in this video it clearly shows him roll realise through impact and opening up the club face on the backswing. This is such an important part of the golf swing can you please clarify. Thanks for posting this video Steve 😀🏌️♂️
Mike was a genius.....absolutely
All tigers most recent slow motion videos you can see this exact same motion. He definitely switched his style from beginning to current. Fascinating what cameras allow us to do now.
Bha ha no it does not
Butch Harmon eat your heart out! This guy seemed to very underrated! Great vid.
Longest drive in pga tournament history 515 yds
Wow, he’s decades ahead in golf instruction!
In order for this to work in the golf swing It has to feel like it's all one continuous motion nothing ahead or behind anything else on the takeaway.As you take the club back is as it naturally wants to come through.The grip allso plays a huge part of learning this..The takeaway is the most critical part.It does creat huge club head speed that feels like you are not doing much at all.This is how the 65 year old still hits it 300 plus if he is still limber.Your harms and hands are not working hard.There staying in time with the torso.It rhythm and timing so it takes practice.You can practice alot with out a ball at home if you understand this.I remember playing this course in my 20s and back then I didn't hit the ball very far.There was a par three up hill that I would play and I was always trying to get a 7 iron on that green and I couldn't get it there I would allway try if I was playing alone.One day I tried this move on the back swing by shear experimentation .didn't really know wat I was doing but I was actually doing this move he is showing and it would increase the clubhead speed and I could easily reach that green with the 7 iron.I never forgot that and it really helped me understand What Mike is teaching.
I swing my hands which hold the club with a light grip and loose wrists like Count Yogi. His wrists are so loose he drags the club head on the ground away from the ball. No creating lag, no holding lag, no forcing the club back in line with the front arm.
Finally somebody else gets it, the clubhead will catch up at impact on its own with nice loose wrists, and you naturally generate lag as the clubhead gets behind you. Have explained to others before that you cant throw a ball with locked wrists
Do you prefer Mike’s hand action in this video or the Shauger hand action?
Have always and will always prefer the Austin release. Will do a video on the shortcomings of the Shauger release soon.
if you watch carefully you can clearly see that in that video he uses two distinct hands action !!!!! right after using the one i believe he uses, he has that grin on his face :). there is hidden messages in that video i believe.
@@Inmotion70 I always wondered where he got the idea of that flippy looking thing he does. I just don't see it anywhere in Mike's material.
Excellent slow motion tip.
That first half was awesome the way he showed how that has to work. Rolled, urollled.
Anybody else notice the wear spot on that iron?
Like everything else in golf..feel vs reality and a gross misunderstanding of what actually works. We know who makes the millions in tour and and we know how they swing. As of matter of fact, the best lessons for a recreational golfer is watching the LPGA players live. No more golf secrets in this day and age.
Introception
Does anyone have more video of this video shoot? There was a video on swing planes but it disappeared
Its centrifical force.Your not pulling or pushing the club head.The hands do hardly anything consciously.Your throwing the clubhead in a circle with the turso and timeing the shaft and left arm so they form a straight line at the piont of contact.all the hands do is creating a hing affect.The average golfer does not hold the club firm enuff with the last three fingers of the left hand because they have been told to hold it lighty.If your holding it to lightly your tendency is to let go at the top and regrip on the way down.This couses all kinds of problems.Hitting the ball fat for one.Not being able to control the club head is a nother one .If your doing this the club never releases the same.The good player understands its like the coyboy catching the cafe with his rope.If the rope gets slack in it he cant control were its going.The swing is the same way.If your manipulating club in anyway on the takaway and the down swing it makes it so hard to feel theres no slack in the swing.The grip and the set up must be rt to achieve this.
Thank you for posting this. I saw it a few weeks ago someplace and hadn’t been able to find it since until now. It makes so much sense
Tom Saguto advises keeping a little cup in the trail wrist all the way through the swing. Club never quite catches up with the lead arm. I tried it, gave some good shots that flew lower than usual.
Why would we listen to a TH-camr golfer that does gimmicks 😂😂😂
This Guy was a Genius 🔥🔥🔥⛳️⛳️⛳️
What's too not like folks 🤔 I don't get it it's here for you
I fight the flip and hit weak, high shots. The Mike Austin method looks like a big flip. Am I missing something?
If I had one guess I would say you lose the posture and stop turning through the ball.
Ironically if you actively try to flip the club head past your hands immediately you start your downswing your brain is very likely to compensate and cause your body to turn faster and further thus curing the problem
He's my legend
Perfect!
Blah Blah Blah Try MA swing thoughts...they work great. Most of us are so brainwashed about early release and scooping. If you release “early” and turn faster to compensate you will actually add 10-20 yards. Many of us Pull down to “hold lag” it simply doesn't work. Just try it. But seriously you can have very good game following Mike Austin. 0-5 handicap 64 years old.
The Secret is out. But you MUST have proper Wrist action.
Facts finally shown
The X move perfect stuff in the swing this happens so fast near impossible to see yes it's teachable when did you last get told about it ? Exactly modern game forgets the keys !!!
Another myth busted is the point at which the club head reaches peek speed. Many are teaching wrong information. They now have the way of measuring the club head speed at each point of the swing, and it has shown that the peek speed is at the point of impact followed by rapid deceleration. So many coaches teach students that the fastest point is past the ball. This is categorically false.
The fastest point of the swing if there is no collision is 30 inches past the ball when both arms are fully extended. That should be our intent.
Steve Pratt Golf That’s where we feel the force. It’s not the fastest point at all. This is a myth that’s been busted. I remember recently on a PGA tour they used the machine that measured swing speed at any point in the swing and it was always just before the impact. The commentators were actually surprised by this, because they like most people were always told, the fastest point is like you just claimed, past the impact. Brain knows where the most speed is necessary. Why would you need the speed after you have hit the ball already? There is significant deceleration immediately after the impact.
@@Mr.mallaer The club loses about 1/3 of its speed because of the collision. However, with no collision it is still accelerating at that point.
Steve Pratt Golf So you decided to stick with the myth?
@@Mr.mallaer Are you even reading what I'm writing? Can you understand the difference between having a collision and not having a collision? Would your car slow down mysteriously if you didn't have a collision?
For all of MA's knowledge of the human body, his strength was definitely not in physics. He also thought that you don't hit down with an iron to make the ball go up.
You don't.
@@emncaity Must be MA's ghost haunting someone's computer...
Hey Mike, you took pretty big divots after the ball when you hit with an iron (your nickname was The Grave Digger), so yes you did.
@@mudddge Ha. Not quite.
Didn't say the club isn't moving down. Of course the swing has a bottom, and of course the more "down" the ball is in a lie on the ground, the more the club has to be moving downward, which is to say that you have to catch it a little earlier on the down side of the arc. But what _you_ said was that "you hit down with an iron to make the ball go up," which isn't actually true. From a perfect lie or a low tee, level or very nearly level will do. Only in the rarest and worst circumstances do you need to make an effort to "hit down." It's just a simple fact that your normal swing arc has a bottom to it. Most people who try to "hit down" just get steeper and steeper, usually more and more outside, and dissipate force down into the ground instead of transferring it into the ball.
Which is not to say that if you have somebody who's been trying to lift or scoop the ball, you won't have to try initially to get him to try to "hit down." (That'll be the classic "two aspirin will cure you but a whole bottle will kill you" thing eventually, though.)
@@mudddge I don't really buy 100% of what MA says, incidentally. But I do think he was mostly brilliant, and he understood the swing and the broad mechanics of the body awfully well, whether every single biomechanical statement would meet the most stringent standards of terminology and structure today.
@@emncaity I'll be more specific. MA thought that the club (an iron) did not hit down on the ball to make it go up.
Oh dear, I'm glad I didn't buy into that u-tube channel telling me how to create " monster lag ". I have heard this kind of thing from Dalton McCrary who says that from the top, don't delay turning the clubhead loose. I shall seek out as much information as I can from Mike Austin after looking at this one...….oh and there's another pretty interesting guy on here also, Steve Pratt !
Thanks Steven! Lag is created by the shifting and turning of the body while throwing out in the proper sequence.
Today’s greatest players don’t get to both arms be straight until well after the ball has been struck . They lead with hands and club head lags behind
Craig?
In slow motion video that's what it looks like. But they are not consciously trying to hold lag. Watch M.A.'s swing in slow-mo and his hands are in front of a lagging club as well, like all good players, since forever. But it's not a position you can manipulate into, it's a product of overall good mechanics.
@@jayscott1380 yup, its a by product of fully turning the body
Aliza that’s not what Austin says. He say both arms should be straight at impact, pros do not have both arms straight at impact especially the right arm
@@kidpoker007 what he says he feels and what it looks like at impact in slow motion video are 2 totally different things. Watch MA's swing in slow mo then tell me it looks like what he says it feels. th-cam.com/video/SrGPuYgQrMY/w-d-xo.html
That's the point, you won't get into good positions by trying to artificially manufacture them or by holding them or concentrating on them.
dalton McCrary
Except Mike wrote about it in 1946.
As today pga instructors are just to keep you in their schedules and they never teach you true things as they know. A person who just learned to correct golf swing they will found out that their past golf instructors didn’t teach them true things.
WHATTTT!!!
Baseball... Ben Hogan... wished he had 3 hands ? :)
Yes he would be palmar flexing the crap out of it, even though the drawings led many astray.
Timing... it's all about wrist action correlating with trunk rotation and leading arm. And nobody can teach that timing.
three right hands to be precise
@@blackie75 True. Right hand feels and controls... the power it generates.
@@blackie75 Yes! But throwing, not holding and flipping.
What a crock!!!
This has been proven correct by every top PhD in the field of golf biomechanics. Sasho McKenzie. Dr. Kwon. Dr. Michael Nesbitt. What's your proof?
Great
Mike Austin...you mean the guy that made about $42 in 12 seasons on the PGA Tour? Yeah let's get him to teach us about golf🤣🤣
@@zacharydmoser doesn’t change the fact that Mike Austin was not a good golfer
@@zacharydmoser Between your mothers legs
@@zacharydmoser Cannot remermber asking you what you liked.....
@@zacharydmoser his teachings work for you? Oh so you are now down to a 20 handicap🤣🤣🤣
@@zacharydmoser And your brother is also your husband