Pearl Harbor: Arizona vs New Jersey
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- As part of our Pearl Harbor series we are taking a closer look at USS Arizona and comparing it to USS New Jersey as well as looking at Arizona's overall history.
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My Grandfather is still aboard the Arizona. McClellan Taylor Roberts CPHM (Chief Pharmacist Mate). I believe he was the senior enlisted shellback on board because he signed as Davy Jones for their last crossing the line ceremony.
Mad respect from one shellback, to you.
cvn-72
I been to visit her twice...I saw a video when the guy said at 608 feet long Arizona can hold her own... she was upgraded to a superbattleship ... may your grandpa r.i.p. they would of been happy to knew the Pennsylvania sister of the Arizona fought proud in the pacific
My grandfather was also in that ceremony (also a shellback) in 1940. GM2c JJ Rooney. He got off Arizona in June of 1941 when his enlistment ended. Later he reenlisted and served as a chief turret captain on the Quincy. I have the “program” from the crossing.
DAVY JONES………..M. T. ROBERTS
You can see Ryan getting emotional and voice cracking as he was talking about the Arizona's bomb hit, I felt it through the screen.
Regardless of our age, many of us still get emotional when we see
pictures of, and remember what happened on that terrible day.
U.S.S. New Jersey was launched on Dec 7, 1942.
I'm Doug hickey my grandmother's brother my god father was a gunner on USS new jersey.her other 4 brothers 1army 2 marines and 1 more navy.they all made it back. Last name barajas.mexicans.this was before that Savin private Ryan law
He's clearly a "shikikan" of culture
Yes I can ryan
There is that wonderful picture of a Iowa class battleship tied up alongside USS Oklahoma near the end of WW2. Really shows what happened to battleship hulls between the 2 classes.
The Iowa class had a Armor scheme very similar to the South Dakota class. The South Dakota took a lot of shell hits during the second battle of savo island above the water line ranging from 14 inch to five inch and despite extensive superstructure damage she held up well. The Indiana was rammed on her starboard quarter by the uss Washington aft of the number 3 16 inch gun mount and nearly sank. The only thing that saved her was her aft armored bulkhead was not damaged and maintained water tight integrity.
Hey Ryan , your videos and channel is much better than other naval history videos . You're not trying to be funny or sarcastic, you are easy to understand, and the information you provide is obviously your intimate knowledge ...not read straight out of someone's else book. Keep up the great content!!
agreed so much!
I definitely would love to see the last of the standard Battleships versus the New Jersey, including the heavy refit done to West Virginia.
Me too! How did the post-Pearl Harbor rebuild of the Standard battleships USS Tennessee (BB-43), USS California (BB-44), and USS West Virginia (BB-48) compare to the USS New Jersey, and other modern battleships? Were they fully modernized by 1944 comparable in firepower, fire control, and armor to KGVs, Bismarks, and South Dakotas -- and just inferior in speed compare?
The speed advantage IS a big deal though. (And it’s a huge speed advantage) It pretty much lets the Iowa’s dictate the fight
@@donkeyboy585 but I would point out that faster ships could be put off by the older battlewagons, Scharnhorst and her sister were put off by at least one of the ole R Class Battleships. I figure with modern fire control, West Virginia would have made life very hard for almost any battleship in the entire world, maybe not Yamato or Musashi, but still.
@@TEGRULZ That would entirely depend on the circumstances of the engagement. The reason the R Class could cause such problems for Scharnhorst was that Scharnhorst wanted to hit the convoy and the R class was fast enough to maneuver around the very slow merchant ships. The R class also carried guns sufficiently long ranged to force adversaries to travel a wider course around the convoy to change angles of attack, allowing the slower ship to interpose itself between the convoy and enemy. In other engagements the R class would be a decided underdog. For example, responding to an attack on a separate convoy, blockading/blockade running, etc.
@@TEGRULZ I'll note that I agree with you on the fire control system. Any other ship on the surface would have reason to pause. Radar is even more important for slower ships. Being able to see a target and begin reacting as soon as possible does a lot to reduce the handicap of being slow.
I was in Camden a few months ago and wanted to visit the ship. Such a beautiful outline.
@Battleship New Jersey: I would love to see a video on all the different paint schemes the USS New Jersey and her other three Iowa-class sisters wore during World War 2. Might be an interesting topic that is not covered much on TH-cam.
A video that you guys could do is talk about how the Battle of Jutland influenced battleship design
These talks are extremely informative. Many thanks.
There should be a mention of the fact that the fatal explosion lifted the entire superstructure 30 feet and then the mast, superstructure and decks collapsed in on themselves. The pressures experienced by the crew, the decks and bullkheads in that area were unimaginable. The explosion also blew the hull walls outward with such force that a large wave hit shore hundreds of feet away. Perhaps a clarification of triple gun turret as on the Arizona vs.three gun turret as on the New Jersey.
I would love a video on how the Iowas fit into 1980s blue water tactics. Was it just another harpoon launcher? Or, were there scenarios where the main guns could come into play. Can you imagine a 16" shell ripping through a Kirov or a Sverdlov?
Keep up the good work with the videos! I can tell you’re getting more comfortable with presenting on each one. BTW, do you follow Dracinifel’s naval history? When he finally makes it over to the US for his ship tour you guys should do a collaboration.
We were supposed to do a video with him this spring
@@BattleshipNewJersey Make sure you do the talking...that guy's monotone puts me to sleep every time.
@@lancejensen9328 last time I complained about Drach's monotonous voice the fanboys fell all over me about it lol
@@lancejensen9328 but you must admit Drach's jokes are more hilarious in the monotone voice he carries lol
Between the age difference and Arizona's lack of modern fire control any of the Iowas would have owned any of the Standards.
Though to be fair, a 16" standard that actually got a lock on an Iowa would have torn it up pretty bad and pretty quick.
+Scott McDivitt
I know the Iowa isn't designed to withstand 16" heavy shells, and heavily steered to the fast in 'fast battleship', but are you sure it is not able to witstand a normal 16"/45 shell, especially if you would take a '20s design Colorado shell instead? However, in the counter, an Iowa would still have the range advantage and,even if not sufficient, still superior deck armour against plunging fire at range.
From my memory, ranges at which plunging fire would be the main threat weren't a design consideration at USS Colorado's period.
Arizona's fire control was nothing to sneeze at. She received several commendations in the interwar period during naval wargames exercises for her precision (Texas was also a highly accurate firing ship with honors.) Also... It's still a 14 inch gun. They're not pea shooters. Keep that in mind
@@InfiniteSith136 a "14 inch shell would hurt Iowia or New Jersey , but as their 14 inch belt is designed to resist that, it's chances of knocking her out of the fight is small.
And while crew is a very important part of the battleship equation, I doubt Arizona's pre-war fire control would ever match up well against fire control radar, or the devastating ability to make hard maneuvers while maintaining fire.
@@scottmcdivitt2187 I'm not saying Arizona would fare that well against an Iowa class in strictly a gun duel... But she'd definitely put up one hell of a fight. And yeah Iowa has a thick belt, that's true. But who's to say Arizona would need to aim for it? There's separate machinery spaces in the bow and stern ends... The superstructure is relatively unprotected, and so on... That goes back to the war games. Arizona was proficient in those very aspects of gunnery you just listed. Of course, it is still difficult to compare with fire control radar. There'd be some hurting going on on both ends for sure, in any case.
@@InfiniteSith136 especially if the commander of the Arazona realised his situation and switched to high explosive, it could probably get really bad.
My guess is that, ( if it didn't turn into a one sided single broadside curb stomp) the final score would be Arazona sunk, Iowia six months to a year in drydock.
Ship comparison: Connecticut vs NJ
One of the last pre-dreadnoughts vs one of the last battleships
Not like anyone could give a combat victory to Connecticut (much to my chagrin as a resident of Connecticut), but the differences in design philosophy reflected in how both ships were built and how they operated would be a nice little bit of insight into how America's changing take on international relations.
Connecticut representing the time America first really started to stand up in the international scene, New Jersey representing the time when hegemony transitioned from the UK to the US. Two very different eras there.
The 'Connecticut Class' would be a very interesting video, I agree. One of my favorite battleship designs, too bad the first USN dreadnoughts were not stretched Connecticuts with superfiring 12-inch twin turrets and 7-inch guns in as secondary side turrets amidships like the French 🙂
Thanks to you and the wonderful Battleship Team for another great video.
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4:06 - Fuso and Yamashiro were both blown apart at the Battle of Suriago Strait in 1944 when Oldendorf's fleet of standard battleships, some equipped with radar, crossed the Japanese "T." The last battleship vs. battleship duel in history.
I thought for sure that I was subscribed; but either I was not, or sneaky TH-cam unsubbed me. I choose to believe the latter, rather than blame my own incompetence lol. I love this type of content. The ship vs ship discussions are enlightening, and I love the tours through the interior spaces of these old warships.
I would like to see a more technical discussion of the relationship between waterline hull length, horsepower requirements, and ship speed, related to wave celerity.
Great comments on Dec. 7, '41. Very educational and entertaining. Thanks.
If you haven’t already done one; I would like to see a comparison between the Iowa’s, namely New Jersey, and the South Dakota’s, namely Alabama.
I am very familiar with the later; having first been on her when she’s was still new to her home in Mobile.
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I'm putting this question here just because this is the video I'm watching. Looking back on the pre-Dreadnaughts, some had turrets offset to one side on a sponson - like the Battleship Maine. Given the belowdeck component of the turrets, how did those work? It seems they couldn't be armored very well, either.
Enjoyed this history lesson very much.
So is the ship trying to tell us something with all the banging / popping / creaking at the end of the video? Such as at 31:40
How about a detailed comparison of the New Jersey with the proposed Montana class battleships. Being from New Hampshire I have tried researching my states ship but haven't found very much info other than their development was cancelled in favor of carrier production.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison of the Colorado class vs. the Iowas. Also would be interesting to hear Ryan's thoughts on how US WW1 battleships would have fared had they been at Jutland.
Do you mean the Pennsylvania class? That is what the Arizona was.
@@NET-POSITIVE No, he does mean the Colorado Class (USS Colorado, USS Maryland and USS West Virginia) unlike the t Pennsylvania class, the Colorados had 16 in guns (16/45cal )
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado-class_battleship
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Battleship_Division_Nine_(World_War_I)
Awesome video. You are a great narrator.
I like the history you give on US battleships. I'm from Missouri and I am very partial to that ship. However with what's going on in the world right now I think newly designed and built battleships need to be made with long and short range missiles, updated big guns that uses smokeless powder, or the new hypersonic gun.. The US Navy needs to look into this.
Great videos, Ryan. I have a request regarding a topic you mentioned in this video. I have spent years trying to find pictures of the inside layout and operations of the fire control towers and the gunnery procedures for the main and secondary battery directors on the Arkansas, New York, and Pennsylvania class Battleships. I have been to the Battleship Texas many times and have marveled at the main fire control tower and the short tower amidships from afar. Unfortunately, both of those locations were not open to tours. It would be interesting to contrast the fire control procedures and capabilities between the beginning of WWII with the earlier battleships and the Iowas' capabilities later in the war.
The deck penetration of armour piercing bombs depends mostly on from witch height its been dropped (it need enough speed, to get enough kinetic energy), and less on its caliber or weight. An AP bomb made from a 15", 14" or 12" shell would penetrate the deck of Iowa, or any BB if coming with enough speed. Depending on where it hits, it might, or might not, destroy the ship in question !?
i really enjoy hearing experts talk what they know.
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You can get a good idea of how good her armor was, just look at the Pennsylvania's last days when she was torpedoed she almost went down,but this sealed her fate as a target ship.later tow out an sunk.
Great video, thanks. I look forward to visiting when the current unpleasantness is ameliorated.
The US contribution to the Grand Fleet became its Sixth Battle Squadron. You misspoke and said Fifth in the video. The Fifth Battle Squadron were the Queen Elizabeths that ran amok at Jutland.
Except without QE.... but HMS Warspite was setting up for a long life of shenanigans, so I guess that evens out.
Amazing that Arizona really only spent one day in battle in her career and it didn't go very well. The Arizona was kept along the US coast during WW I because it was oil driven and they couldn't resupply it very well yet.
I was in the US Navy in the early to mid-80s with President Reagan rock all for battleships back into service one of my buddies that went to Boot Camp was station all the New Jersey and when it came to Pearl Harbor that’s why I was stationed on the USS Davison one of its guns weighed more than my whole ship weighed I think that’s interesting
Don’t think that the Arizona was a small ship. I was on the memorial and the side remains of B turret were visible a long way away and the memorial vessel was placed at about 2/3 of the way down the sunken hull. Think of the ship’s beam, it takes time to walk 100 feet.
Imagine a farm boy from a rural state reporting aboard in 1916, when she was new. The biggest structure this kid has ever seen was some two-story building in Great Lakes, IL where he went for boot camp, or the grain silo back at the county co-op. He's never seen the ocean, nor any ship except in books. That battleship awes him the way you would be awed if an alien vessel 100 miles long appeared in the skies over your home town. It scares him, the thought of finding his way from where he berths to the outside of the hull, let alone to where he has to find if he ever wants to eat again.
As always , Thank You
Love to see a video on how the Iowa class 16" guns were unloaded...
+Phillip Leighton
You fire them, or do you mean removing the guns: there was a vid earlier this week covering the turret construction of the Iowa's.
@@Tuning3434 The actual procedure for removing powder & projectile without firing. Then how they are returned to the magazines. I saw the video on the tool you found, but the actual procedure would be interesting. My Brother was the #2 turret officer on BB61. I can get more information from you if you need it.
Please review the Colorado class 16” standard battleships. I would especially like to hear more about West Virginia post refitting. It would be very interesting to hear a comparison of WeeVee to Maryland and Colorado, compared to North Carolinas, South Dakotas, and Iowas. Third, how the technical advantages of WeeVee made her effective in Surigao Strait vs Maryland and others.
You can look up most of the questions by doing a search of USS West Virginia. You'll be able to read up on what happened.
once again Awesome video awesome content
Ryan,
Why are older war ships covered with port holes? Are port holes big compromises in the armor?
I would like you to do is show on the uscis Colorado BB45 because my dad served On it for 3 years stream World War II
I have read many stories about the difference between Dreadnoughts and Battleships. Please give me your interpretation between the two. Thanks.
30 years between hulls is a lifetime in Battleship development time lines. They should be very different
Fabulous as ever.
I was wondering if it’s correct / traditional to refer to the Arizona in past tense even tho she still exists?
I was a bit confused at first wondering if the past tense meant that armour had been changed between now and then.
Love the videos :)
We didn't really think about it. There is a new Arizona though so it makes sense to do that.
I realise this video is 2 years old now. But as an English person could I ask a question. Are there any parts of Arizona on display anywhere as a remembrance item? Like some of the guns, a mast or anything? Obviously you have the memorial over the grave (it's not a wreck it's a grave for many brave men) but does for instance, Arizona itself have a memorial for her? I hope this gets picked up and answered. Thank you for your work and commitment. Rip those brave men and women who lost their lives on Dec 7th.
Great video! Thanks!
Just seen the divers going down. Not a job I'd want seeing fellow sailers in there. Plenty of Jim Beam for that job. Ryan I can tell you feel the pain. You are a decent guy.
Texas is in critical need of repair. Have you been keeping up on the progress of preparing her to be moved to dry dock for the necessary repairs?
We have. Shes getting a lot of love right now, she's going be extra beautiful by the time she's done.
You mentioned the Arizona had saluting guns, I saw that the Taney also has them. My question is did they have a purpose other than ceremonial use? Is there an equivalent still used today?
Ships still have saluting guns, they are purely ceremonial. Ours is a 2 pounder with a 40mm barrel. Fun fact: we let guests fire ours on certain days for $50. Right now its most saturdays, we do broadcast it on our facebook page if you want to see it and can't come out in person.
Rumor has it that the USN is planning on doubling the hitting power of the zumwalts by adding a pair of 3lb saluting guns..:)
(this may or may not be fake news lol)
I’d love to hear of DE-415, Sammy B
Which was the best of the standard battleships?
HMS Queen Elizabeth, lead ship of the Queen Elizabeth class, had eight 15' guns and was commissioned in 1914.
I know this is thought to have been beaten to death, but under developement was a 700 mile scramjet projectile for the 16"/50 guns. Why are they so impossible today? Considering all the upgrades in technology, I would think they are still cheaper to fire than cruise missles...
We have cruise missiles, we never actually developed those rounds
Watervliet had been developing long range ammunition in the 80s. The longest range projectile they were working on was about 100 miles.
Our thing though is they never actually completed it or got it to work
@@BattleshipNewJersey The only live testing was with HC-ER rounds i think. 39 miles? I had a coworker that was a former Watervliet employee. Good stories.
cos a scramjet boosted shell thingy from a 16¨/50 cannot deliver a warhead of worthwhile size compared to hypersonic or supersonic missile options that are not constrained at basic design stage by having to fit into the breach of the 16¨/50.. whereas missile can be scaled up to carry beeeeeeg warhead, more boom on target.
How about the Colorado's and the Nelson's? Two treaty era battleships.
Back in 1975 my buddy and I drove up to Brookings OR, from where we lived in the Arcata/Mckinleyville, CA area. He was thinking of moving his family there, so we took a drive up there to check out housing.
On the way to Brookings, we stopped and picked up a hitch hiker, a man whom I would guess to be in his late 40s or 50ish. While chatting with him we happened to share our faith in Jesus Christ.
This man said he didn't believe there was a God. He teared up and said if there was a God, He wouldn't have allowed all of his buddies get killed.
Turns out he was aboard Arizona, and had left the ship just before the attack. He was a troubled man, and bitter about what had happened to his buddies.
New Jersey vs Nathan James from the book The Last Ship and also the TV show
Good morning,
Why couldn’t the 21 knt increased?
This guy is just too cool...
Well... in fact the 30 year design gap it is very important, yes, but to be fair by 1920's there were already some designs pretty close to Iowas. Specifically talking the IJN Nagato class was a battleship designed in late 1910s and completed at the begining of 1920s that had been an allied ship, it might have survived the war and up until the 50's like many battleships did.
USNavy Standard design battleships, despite how well protected they were and how massive broadside they had, weren't as flexible as other nation's designs like the Japanese Ise, Nagato or British Queen Elizabeth.
By the end of WW2 the faster battleship was the less obsolete, in that regard, even the Italian Andrea Doria class, despite being less armored and having lesser guns, were more suitable for the postwar requirements
Shows you why carriers did not have deck armor, if 3 or 4 inches of armor isn't good enough. A 1-inch steel 4 by 4 foot plate is very heavy and you need to cover most of a carrier deck with a lot more than an inch. It's probably better to armor a lower area in the ship protecting the magazine and aircraft fuel, it also would lower the CG. I also see all the portals in the side which has to reduce armor for direct hits on portals, I suspect electrification and light bulbs were comparatively primitive around the turn of the century.
lots of carriers had armored decks. but American carriers didn't. interesting fact- countries other than the united states exist, and occasionally do stuff in a different way....
re portholes....
that's not the armor belt with portholes in, is the simplest way i can say it. Its the exterior of hull. Armour belt is behind the visible layer with portholes in it, and the armor is not pierced with portholes
So we see in the Nevada class both twin and triple gun turrets. Why didn't they just simply go all triple? We did they go back to twin turrets in the Colorado Class when introduced the 16 inch guns?
easy answer - weight
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6th battles Squadron, 5th was the Queen Es.
Tour walkthrough please
Equivalence doesn't matter here. You hit any BB ever built with a 2000lb AP bomb vertical dropped from 5-7K feet though the deck armor into the citadel and magazine area, any battleship is just as dead. But as that as noted here, the odds of that highly decrease against a moving BB, instead of the stationary "targets" in Pearl Harbor, especially with no CAP or AA fire .
The Iowa's was belt was inclined inwards
Giving it a practical thickness of 18 in
no it had an effective thickness of just under 15 inches not 18
I believe the USA Forces were referred to as the 6th Battle Squadron.
Would like to hear the straight skinny about Wisconsin closing the barn door
It's funny the anger I felt while you were talking towards the Japanese.. this incident happened 20 years before I was born... as a child I knew a lot of the world war 2 veterans .. many of those veterans believe. The hood blew itself up.. these .sailors on the Arizona didn't have a chance
Keep up the good work
The Iowa class is an example of something built angry and they're still angry to this day.
good video
My grandpa served on the uss Mississippi in ww2
Since you did a comparison with Arizona, how about the Texas?
12.30 am here in Belfast ... tonight's bedtime story
Belfast was probably the most severely damaged at sea large ship to be saved and brought back into service. It was in good enough condition to be modernised and later used as a museum ship because it spent the first half of the war being repaired.
The USS Arizona and USS Oklahoma may God rest these men's souls.
IJN superstructures are very strange.
What about the USS Iowa in San Pedro , CA Mary Babiec
Heres an episode about our sister Iowa
th-cam.com/video/QADg9svj5Co/w-d-xo.html
okay. say the USA divided, east vs west. Arizona and New Jersey were 20,000 yds apart, and shot
in visual range, calm sea. 12x14 vs 9x16? both at flank speed. 21knots vs 35 knots. I saw Iowa do 35
Awesome
With these tripods masts on arizona, you had to not scared of heights to get to the bridge.
Given that NJ was built to defend against 16 inch shells, is it fair to say that the hit that destroyed AZ probably wouldn't have done so NJ?
The Tillman ships.
When Ryan said "If you have any misconceptions about Arizona being decommissioned....." he sounded and looked mad. It seems like a sensitive issue with him. I can understand why but I can see it in this video.
The Arizona was placed in ordinary status (in commission, but temporarily out of service) on Dec 29, 1941 and stricken from the naval Register on December 1st of 1942 when inspections showed no hope of being able to repair her.
The confusion of Arizona being in "Commission" came about from a flag pole being erected on Arizona's hulk after the war by the direction of an admiral who felt that since the hulk contained a majority of the crew, that they deserved a measure of respect as a war grave. The flag was raised and lowered every day until the formal memorial was completed. A sizable donation was made by Elvis Presley from the proceeds of a concert he gave in Hawaii specifically for the memorial.
I always wondered why Arizona is so famous. Famous for sinking. Nothing else.
Sadly it would seem, (with utmost respect to those who died and are still on USS Arizona) with hindsight, any Battleship designed or built during WW1 should not have been serving in ANY capacity in WW2. Absolutely outclassed in every area with all the changes that happened, particularly with the London treaty etc.
Clearly, if you couldn't retrofit ALL areas of the ship with the latest standards needed for guns, armour, and speed (regardless of how you rate those), you were a sitting duck.
I'd like to see a video where we discuss all the WW1 inferior battleships what made it to WW2 which had money spent on them trying to bring them upto the latest standard, yet were still not good enough.
I'd be curious about the cost of that on all the ships it applies to, vs the cost of new ship(s) that could have been built at the time and weren't, that may have been a better investment.
Sorry but a thirty year difference in battleship technology definitely makes the USS New Jersey a superior ship. If you go to Philadelphia, PA, you see the difference. On the NJ side, of the river is stationed the towering USS New Jersey. On the Philadelphia side, is stationed the USS Olympia, the US Capital ship in the Spanish American war. The New Jersey is three times its size, and its big guns are three times as big. About a fifty years difference makes all the difference.
Anyway, there was no more battleship to battleship wars, as aircraft carriers make all the difference.
An example, the Japanese super battleship Yamamoto, completely sunk by about 400 US torpedo planes and dive bombers.
*Yamato not Yamamoto, that’s the admiral.
Arizona's fire control was nothing to sneeze at. She received several commendations in the interwar period during naval wargames exercises for her precision (Texas was also a highly accurate firing ship with honors.) Also... It's still a 14 inch gun. They're not pea shooters. Keep that in mind. I'm not saying Arizona would fare that well against an Iowa class in strictly a gun duel... But she'd definitely put up one hell of a fight.
So the common belief was that Arizona was hit by a bomb down the funnel. Of course we now know this to be untrue. In a previous video you were inside one of NJ's funnels and showed the 6" armor with holes. Was this designed into the Iowas as a countermeasure to what they thought happened to Arizona or just a natural evolution knowing that aircraft and plunging fire were a real threat by the time the Iowa class was launched. I suspect the later is the case...
This curator does not seem in pristine condition today...?
During the battle of Okinawa the Arizona sister ship USS Pennsylvania took a single torpedo to the stern the belly damaged and almost sunk the ship. They had good armament but their armor was severely lacking. The same can be said for the Iowa Class because their beam restrictions didn’t really give the Bureau of ships Designers a lot to work with.
Pretty much any ship taking a torpedo to the stern is in trouble. Bismarck probably had the best torpedo protection of any ship in history and look what happened there.
@@LTPottenger But Bismark was in no danger of sinking even after 3 torpedo and 2 14" hits.
@@niclasjohansson4333 during the battle of Denmark strait the Bismarck sustained a 14 inch shell hit to hear fuel tanks forward that convinced the Germans to turn back. When she was finally cornered she took a lot of 14 and 16 inch hits from kg5 and Rodney and at least 5 torpedo hits along with being scuttled by her crew before she sank. James Cameron has a good video on her wreck.
@@niclasjohansson4333 mission killed by the first torp hit, mission killed again by the second that doomed her to being caught and sunk.....
your point? 2 torp hits doomed her, even if they not immediately sink her.
Arms race
Great video!! Can you someday talk about the water that gets pumped out of the ship in several locations just above the water line? Thank you!
Its mostly deck drains, so water that runs across the deck at various levels all ends up in a handful of pipes and drained off. There are also bilge pumps you'll see that drain there as well, but we don't have that problem on board NJ anymore!
@@BattleshipNewJersey I’ve always wondered about that, thanks!
A Lucky bomb got into the ammunition storage area and destroyed the ship. Japan destroyed some older ships versus going after the much more dangerous American carriers of the time. The Japanese managed to enrage the Americans to level that sealed their fate.
Obsolete all the battle ships at pearl harbor were no comparison to New Jersey or Missouri
Was it a lucky hit so to speak or did the Japanese know where to drop the bombs?
The Japanese just dropped 5 bombs with high altitude planes in a V pattern figuring that one in the string would hit its target. Not the same as its dive bombers or torpedo bombers.
Total luck. Those bombs were very inaccurate and were mostly dropped blindly in hopes of hitting something.
You should compare use New Jersey bb 62 to use new jersey bb 16
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NJ definitely has better buoyancy…