Following my initial video about how I bleached my hair to platinum blond after hairdresser fried my hair, this video is an explanation of what happened at that hairdressers. What I asked for, the bleaching process and everything after that. Also, I refer to my hair as "they" since that's how we call our hair in Czech(my native language) and I am somehow unable to unlearn it in English 😄
I went to beauty school and 20 is plenty for alot of people I can use 10 on my hair and I’m a brunet Also when your doing foils and it takes a long time you should use a lower developer Coconut oil would not make your hair fry when bleaching she just didn’t want to admit she used too high of a developer and left it too long
Thanks for your comment, I agree, some hair really don’t need a high volume developer, unless you want it to work fast and get the job done quickly. In which case one should check the foils to see what is happening with the hair. I have recently tried to bleach with blond me 7 vol and it took longer, but still bleached my hair fine, even the lengths. So 20 vol. is plenty I think..
I'm not convinced it was the coconut oil. There are some studies supporting the use of coconut oil to protect the hair when bleaching. If anything, it would have blocked the bleach from working, resulting in a brassy, patchy bleachjob by creating a barrier on the hair, not increased bleaching, so you may be right when you say it was possibly the length of time the bleach was on. Love your hair colour journey so far!
That’s what I thought too, I’ve heard this from numerous hairdressers here on TH-cam, that if anything, coconut oil will block the bleach.. so I don’t know. Thank you for your comment ❤
Not true, one of my coworkers was doing someone’s hair and she had coconut oil on her hair and the foils starting to puff up and get extremely hot. It was causing a chemical reaction
I can tell you right now if she used a 30 - 40 developer on Virgin hair that was what caused the breakage and damage. I am not a hair dresser but even I know not to use over a 20 volume developer on Virgin hair and you should always do a strand test when working with someone else's hair.
I completely agree! I have a new theory now, I just wandered why the rest of my hair was just fine. I think that because she applied the bleach heavily to the back section (there was only a tiny bit of my natural hair in between the bleached hair compared to the rest) that the bleach just worked faster and stronger. Plus the high developer of course. I’ve also noticed she didn’t apply a lot of bleach to the rest and I did have a lot of patchiness throughout the bleached hair. Some was still very dark or orange. So this is pretty much what I think happened..
Expert opinion here: it was not the coconut oil. It was a combination of strong peroxide strength on fine hair for extended period of time. She probably had no experience bleaching hair and in some previous attempt probably had the hair turn out orange when she used 20 vol. But the diameter/tickeness of the strands should be a factor while formulating. Also was heat used? If so the fojls may have swelled up and overflowed the strong mixed on to the scalp. Final answer is: shampoo, conditioner or coconut oil do not not cause a reaction with lightener.
I’m sorry about what happened to you! Unfortunately this happens a lot , happened to me a year ago ( not as bad) and to some friends. I’m never going to hairdresser ever again.
And I'm sorry you had that experience as well, it's terrible when things like this happen. I would have been less upset if it happened to me at home, but to go to a recommended professional, pay a lot of money and end up like this, it's hard to swallow. But hey there are lots of hairdressers that are amazing and very careful. I hope you find the right one when the time comes 🌞
@@avaandangels1 mine was recommended too and cost a fortune. I’m definitely not going for a while and my hair is now the best looking ever. I hope yours recovers quickly 🌸
@@pinkfabulous248 thank you, I actually went to that hairdresser a year ago as well, perhaps our disasters happened at the same time 😅 yeah I don’t blame you xx
I think she used a very high developer (like 30 or 40) as you mentioned and left it on too long. Your hair was fried and it has nothing to do with the products you use. I put all kinds of different products in my hair (high end and inexpensive) and I have never had this happen to me.
It's very irresponsible from a hairdresser to leave you go home like that. I can see that you are a very nice person but sometimes you have to confront people if they mess up lol
I agree Skai, I wandered if I should have gone back to her talk to her, but the way she was acting when I was there, she basically blamed it on me(that there was something in my hair) in a very nice way. I didn’t want any drama, there was so much going on in my life at that time. I probably would do it now 🌞
I think she used a 30-40 volume and left it in too long plus the heat at the bottom of your head from your back and your neck with the foils and the other foils laying on top of it. Most hairdressers will start with a lower volume developer and then mix a stronger volume on the last sections at the end. It was the hairdresser that messed up and nothing to do with the coconut oil. She was trying to place blame on you or your hair.
I completely agree, I thought about it more and she even bleached way more strands on the bottom(the first section) than the rest of my hair, so it was heavily coated in strong bleach. Thanks for your thoughts ❤️
I am so sorry this happened to you! It absolutely should not have, considering you had virgin hair… it should have been a clean, even lift. She lifted you WAY too high in the back underneath. Where it’s like white blonde and breaking. I always start with 10 vol in the back and move up to 20 or even 30 in some rare cases as I finish the final section, that way they’re all ready to be rinsed about the same time frame. Even with starting with 10 vol in the back, I will go through and pull the very first foils I put in while they’re still sitting in my chair processing. This ensures the first foils I put in won’t be over processed, because the bleach is sitting on those strands the longest amount of time, if that makes sense. I use this method in all of my blonde clients. I find it keeps those delicate little baby hairs under the nape of neck bright, but still healthy. I am a hairdresser that cares/ prioritizes health of the hair vs color and or style. Because it doesn’t matter how blonde we can get you, If you don’t have any healthy hair left to highlight. I truly do not think it was the coconut oil. I’ve known of chemical reactions to happen when someone has a build up of minerals in the hair from hard water, well water, or chlorine build up. Our chemicals can have a bad reaction with that, I’ve even heard of the foils heating up and smoking! Chemical reactions are rare and scary but they do happen every once in awhile. A way to minimize unpredictable results, would be to strand test first… also a clarifying treatment prior to a color service can prevent such things. I wish I could clarify every client before doing their hi lights (most of the clients in my area have well water- which is tricky with blonde) a clarifying treatment for everyone- so I have a nice clean base to work with. Sometimes the hair won’t lift easily due to mineral build up in the hair. Clarifying first would help. Unfortunately it’s just not practical in salon. I don’t have time to wash and blow out every single client 2x. So I will often advise my clients to book a clarifying treatment prior to their color service… or even recommend clarifying shampoo they can do it themselves at home before coming in 😊
Did she think you weren't going to notice she fried your hair? It wasn't the coconut oil. You washed it out and if anything it would put a barrier on the hair.
She should have opened the foil and checked on your hair, especially since she never bleached your hair before, I can´t say much about the developer, to do it at home (as I always do) there´s no options, just standard packs, and I have no clue what strengths these packs has...personally, I have never had any kind of negative reaction from coconut oil, and I have a hard time seeing that the oil was the issue...feels like bullshit to me...
Yes, that’s exactly it. No matter what the problem was, if she didn’t know my hair, she should have been more careful. Strand test, check foils, even use a lower developer just in case.. thanks hun ❤
its not the coconut oil. I have been bleaching my own hair for years and use coconut oil the day before. I would rather ruin my own hair than have a hair dresser ruin my hair. I prefer to air dry my hair but some hair dressers don’t respect what I say. Im so sorry this happened to you. I would wear hair extensions until your hair grows out. Thats what i did and its growing but i still have a long hair look.
I think she worked too slow. Also, she probably used too strong a developer. I have had this happen at the salon. Luckily I only had to chop 3 or 4 inches. She apologized and said she didn’t know it was going to take so long. ( older lady) Salon insisted I come in for deep conditioning every other week .
As stylist i think you should def thinking of totally doing the pixiecut and regrow it all the way, and im mean like really really short pixiecut like cropped pixie
On Virgin Hair 20 Volume is More than Sufficient and anything over Is way too strong Going Low and Slow is Best And Safest Even if you have to do a second Round I Have Never had problems With Coconut Oil I use it myself But some people may be more Sensitive or possibly allergic to it
please watch this video about the shampoo and conditioner you were using. This may have been the cause. So very sorry this happened to you. The hairdresser should have been checking the foils and tried to fix the mess made regardless of the cause. I just hope you aren't using the OGX anymore. "OGX Shampoo & Conditioner Litigation - What You Need to Know - The "make up" of a lawsuit"
Thank you for your comment, I have stopped using this brand completely now, another lady mentioned this issue earlier and I have stopped using it immediately.
Now that I’m hearing about the coconut oil that could have affected the bleaching the shampoo might not have gotten it all the way out but she should have done a strand test I’m not a real hairdresser but I think because the shampoo was mixed with the conditioner it might not have gotten it out all the way and she also sounds like she was in a rush because it was her day off, Edit Also the developer was probably to strong.
It's possible, I am confused about the coconut oil, I have seen so many people drench their hair with coconut oil before bleaching (foils/ not foils) and nothing happened to their hair.. I always thought it could block the bleach from processing rather that speed up the process. I absolutely think the developer was too strong for my hair type. Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it ❤
Hair dresser of 12 years here!! First of all OGX (the brand of shampoo and conditioner you are using) is involved in a class action law suit for hair loss due to build up on the hair. This build up mixed with the coconut oil on your hair could very well be from cause of this. No hair dresser should EVER guarantee the results of your hair if you are not using salon recommended products in your hair. Coconut oil is also HORRIBLE for your hair. If you have it on iron hair you need to tell your stylist. This is a combination of chemical reactions and bad luck. It happens and this is why your hair dresser recommends products to you. It’s for your benefit not ours
Wow this is an interesting theory, didn’t think of that. It’s possible for sure. I just wander why the rest of my hair was just fine. I just thought of something, which never crossed my mind. Could it also be, that because she applied the bleach heavily to the back section (there was only a tiny bit of my natural hair in between the bleached hair compared to the rest) that the bleach just worked faster and stronger? Plus the high developer of course. I’ve also noticed she didn’t apply a lot of bleach to the rest and I did have a bit of patchiness throughout the bleached hair. Some were still very dark or orange. But again, could be anything, that’s why I’m interested in other people’s opinions. Oh and I shall get rid of the Ogx hair products at once. Thank you for letting me know 🙏🏻
Following my initial video about how I bleached my hair to platinum blond after hairdresser fried my hair, this video is an explanation of what happened at that hairdressers. What I asked for, the bleaching process and everything after that. Also, I refer to my hair as "they" since that's how we call our hair in Czech(my native language) and I am somehow unable to unlearn it in English 😄
I went to beauty school and 20 is plenty for alot of people I can use 10 on my hair and I’m a brunet
Also when your doing foils and it takes a long time you should use a lower developer
Coconut oil would not make your hair fry when bleaching she just didn’t want to admit she used too high of a developer and left it too long
Thanks for your comment, I agree, some hair really don’t need a high volume developer, unless you want it to work fast and get the job done quickly. In which case one should check the foils to see what is happening with the hair. I have recently tried to bleach with blond me 7 vol and it took longer, but still bleached my hair fine, even the lengths. So 20 vol. is plenty I think..
I'm not convinced it was the coconut oil. There are some studies supporting the use of coconut oil to protect the hair when bleaching. If anything, it would have blocked the bleach from working, resulting in a brassy, patchy bleachjob by creating a barrier on the hair, not increased bleaching, so you may be right when you say it was possibly the length of time the bleach was on.
Love your hair colour journey so far!
That’s what I thought too, I’ve heard this from numerous hairdressers here on TH-cam, that if anything, coconut oil will block the bleach.. so I don’t know. Thank you for your comment ❤
Not true, one of my coworkers was doing someone’s hair and she had coconut oil on her hair and the foils starting to puff up and get extremely hot. It was causing a chemical reaction
Just came here from Hair Buddha's video. I've never seen him be so happy about anyone's video before! Great job!
I can tell you right now if she used a 30 - 40 developer on Virgin hair that was what caused the breakage and damage. I am not a hair dresser but even I know not to use over a 20 volume developer on Virgin hair and you should always do a strand test when working with someone else's hair.
I completely agree! I have a new theory now, I just wandered why the rest of my hair was just fine. I think that because she applied the bleach heavily to the back section (there was only a tiny bit of my natural hair in between the bleached hair compared to the rest) that the bleach just worked faster and stronger. Plus the high developer of course. I’ve also noticed she didn’t apply a lot of bleach to the rest and I did have a lot of patchiness throughout the bleached hair. Some was still very dark or orange. So this is pretty much what I think happened..
Expert opinion here: it was not the coconut oil. It was a combination of strong peroxide strength on fine hair for extended period of time.
She probably had no experience bleaching hair and in some previous attempt probably had the hair turn out orange when she used 20 vol. But the diameter/tickeness of the strands should be a factor while formulating. Also was heat used? If so the fojls may have swelled up and overflowed the strong mixed on to the scalp. Final answer is: shampoo, conditioner or coconut oil do not not cause a reaction with lightener.
I’m sorry about what happened to you! Unfortunately this happens a lot , happened to me a year ago ( not as bad) and to some friends. I’m never going to hairdresser ever again.
And I'm sorry you had that experience as well, it's terrible when things like this happen. I would have been less upset if it happened to me at home, but to go to a recommended professional, pay a lot of money and end up like this, it's hard to swallow. But hey there are lots of hairdressers that are amazing and very careful. I hope you find the right one when the time comes 🌞
@@avaandangels1 mine was recommended too and cost a fortune. I’m definitely not going for a while and my hair is now the best looking ever. I hope yours recovers quickly 🌸
@@pinkfabulous248 thank you, I actually went to that hairdresser a year ago as well, perhaps our disasters happened at the same time 😅 yeah I don’t blame you xx
I think she used a very high developer (like 30 or 40) as you mentioned and left it on too long. Your hair was fried and it has nothing to do with the products you use. I put all kinds of different products in my hair (high end and inexpensive) and I have never had this happen to me.
Yea, I think she just wanted to get it over with and go home 😊 just a guess.. thank you for your comment, btw your hair is looking fabulous 👍🏻
@@avaandangels1 thanks! Love your channel. All the best x
I had a jr stylists cut 6" off which made it all virgin hair... he burnt my hair, I don't know if I'll be able to wait for it to grow out. 😢
It's very irresponsible from a hairdresser to leave you go home like that. I can see that you are a very nice person but sometimes you have to confront people if they mess up lol
I agree Skai, I wandered if I should have gone back to her talk to her, but the way she was acting when I was there, she basically blamed it on me(that there was something in my hair) in a very nice way. I didn’t want any drama, there was so much going on in my life at that time. I probably would do it now 🌞
@@avaandangels1 yeah people who screw you over in a nice way are actually the worst because you can't be mad at them if they're "nice" lol!
Thank you for the video. My hairdresser ruined my hair last week now it’s very crispy, fragile and falling off 😢
I think she used a 30-40 volume and left it in too long plus the heat at the bottom of your head from your back and your neck with the foils and the other foils laying on top of it. Most hairdressers will start with a lower volume developer and then mix a stronger volume on the last sections at the end. It was the hairdresser that messed up and nothing to do with the coconut oil. She was trying to place blame on you or your hair.
I completely agree, I thought about it more and she even bleached way more strands on the bottom(the first section) than the rest of my hair, so it was heavily coated in strong bleach. Thanks for your thoughts ❤️
I am so sorry this happened to you! It absolutely should not have, considering you had virgin hair… it should have been a clean, even lift. She lifted you WAY too high in the back underneath. Where it’s like white blonde and breaking. I always start with 10 vol in the back and move up to 20 or even 30 in some rare cases as I finish the final section, that way they’re all ready to be rinsed about the same time frame. Even with starting with 10 vol in the back, I will go through and pull the very first foils I put in while they’re still sitting in my chair processing. This ensures the first foils I put in won’t be over processed, because the bleach is sitting on those strands the longest amount of time, if that makes sense. I use this method in all of my blonde clients. I find it keeps those delicate little baby hairs under the nape of neck bright, but still healthy. I am a hairdresser that cares/ prioritizes health of the hair vs color and or style. Because it doesn’t matter how blonde we can get you, If you don’t have any healthy hair left to highlight. I truly do not think it was the coconut oil. I’ve known of chemical reactions to happen when someone has a build up of minerals in the hair from hard water, well water, or chlorine build up. Our chemicals can have a bad reaction with that, I’ve even heard of the foils heating up and smoking! Chemical reactions are rare and scary but they do happen every once in awhile. A way to minimize unpredictable results, would be to strand test first… also a clarifying treatment prior to a color service can prevent such things. I wish I could clarify every client before doing their hi lights (most of the clients in my area have well water- which is tricky with blonde) a clarifying treatment for everyone- so I have a nice clean base to work with. Sometimes the hair won’t lift easily due to mineral build up in the hair. Clarifying first would help. Unfortunately it’s just not practical in salon. I don’t have time to wash and blow out every single client 2x. So I will often advise my clients to book a clarifying treatment prior to their color service… or even recommend clarifying shampoo they can do it themselves at home before coming in 😊
Did she think you weren't going to notice she fried your hair? It wasn't the coconut oil. You washed it out and if anything it would put a barrier on the hair.
She should have opened the foil and checked on your hair, especially since she never bleached your hair before, I can´t say much about the developer, to do it at home (as I always do) there´s no options, just standard packs, and I have no clue what strengths these packs has...personally, I have never had any kind of negative reaction from coconut oil, and I have a hard time seeing that the oil was the issue...feels like bullshit to me...
Yes, that’s exactly it. No matter what the problem was, if she didn’t know my hair, she should have been more careful. Strand test, check foils, even use a lower developer just in case.. thanks hun ❤
Coconut oil cuz the worst hair breakage each time i used..n scalp break out too...its not for everyone's hair...
its not the coconut oil. I have been bleaching my own hair for years and use coconut oil the day before. I would rather ruin my own hair than have a hair dresser ruin my hair. I prefer to air dry my hair but some hair dressers don’t respect what I say. Im so sorry this happened to you. I would wear hair extensions until your hair grows out. Thats what i did and its growing but i still have a long hair look.
I think she worked too slow. Also, she probably used too strong a developer. I have had this happen at the salon. Luckily I only had to chop 3 or 4 inches. She apologized and said she didn’t know it was going to take so long. ( older lady) Salon insisted I come in for deep conditioning every other week .
As stylist i think you should def thinking of totally doing the pixiecut and regrow it all the way, and im mean like really really short pixiecut like cropped pixie
I know that would be a wise thing to do, but I just can’t go into pixie cut. I thought about it a lot, but I much prefer longer hair on me 😊
On Virgin Hair
20 Volume is More than
Sufficient and anything over
Is way too strong
Going Low and Slow is Best
And Safest
Even if you have to do a second
Round
I Have Never had problems
With Coconut Oil I use it myself
But some people may be more
Sensitive or possibly allergic to it
it can’t be coconut oil
I don’t think so either..
please watch this video about the shampoo and conditioner you were using. This may have been the cause. So very sorry this happened to you. The hairdresser should have been checking the foils and tried to fix the mess made regardless of the cause. I just hope you aren't using the OGX anymore. "OGX Shampoo & Conditioner Litigation - What You Need to Know - The "make up" of a lawsuit"
Thank you for your comment, I have stopped using this brand completely now, another lady mentioned this issue earlier and I have stopped using it immediately.
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Lo faresti un video shampoo dal tuo parrucchiere, sarebbe molto bello... Ciao
Now that I’m hearing about the coconut oil that could have affected the bleaching the shampoo might not have gotten it all the way out but she should have done a strand test I’m not a real hairdresser but I think because the shampoo was mixed with the conditioner it might not have gotten it out all the way and she also sounds like she was in a rush because it was her day off,
Edit
Also the developer was probably to strong.
It's possible, I am confused about the coconut oil, I have seen so many people drench their hair with coconut oil before bleaching (foils/ not foils) and nothing happened to their hair.. I always thought it could block the bleach from processing rather that speed up the process. I absolutely think the developer was too strong for my hair type. Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it ❤
We’re talking about bleach 😂 coconut oil doesn’t stop bleach y’all delulu
Hair dresser of 12 years here!! First of all OGX (the brand of shampoo and conditioner you are using) is involved in a class action law suit for hair loss due to build up on the hair. This build up mixed with the coconut oil on your hair could very well be from cause of this. No hair dresser should EVER guarantee the results of your hair if you are not using salon recommended products in your hair. Coconut oil is also HORRIBLE for your hair. If you have it on iron hair you need to tell your stylist. This is a combination of chemical reactions and bad luck. It happens and this is why your hair dresser recommends products to you. It’s for your benefit not ours
Wow this is an interesting theory, didn’t think of that. It’s possible for sure. I just wander why the rest of my hair was just fine. I just thought of something, which never crossed my mind. Could it also be, that because she applied the bleach heavily to the back section (there was only a tiny bit of my natural hair in between the bleached hair compared to the rest) that the bleach just worked faster and stronger? Plus the high developer of course. I’ve also noticed she didn’t apply a lot of bleach to the rest and I did have a bit of patchiness throughout the bleached hair. Some were still very dark or orange. But again, could be anything, that’s why I’m interested in other people’s opinions. Oh and I shall get rid of the Ogx hair products at once. Thank you for letting me know 🙏🏻
You damaged your own hair
I will never understand the obsession with blonde hair.
Mine started when I was 13 😂