Gabe and Teddy, I'm glad you are bringing this up. My son was on the 2022 and 2023 team and had this exact same injury. Pulled quad, get a little better try to play again. Injure it again, recover 3-4 weeks and do it all over again. Was told an Mri was not necessary multiple times. Finally we went outside of the program for help and had an Mri and did have a tear. This is amazingly hard on the player and the players family. I feel for Nic and his family. My son did leave and earned a full scholarship in the BIG 10 and health as can be. He is a life long Sooner, 5 the generation Sooner and it was a difficult time. Proud of my son and believing in himself and stick with his dream to play D1 football. Love my Sooners and always will. No hard feelings. Nic you're going to be ok, with the proper care you will be back better than ever. I don't wish this on anyone ever, was a brutal time in my son's life.
Doesn't OU have on-site mri equipment? I would think that an MRI and x-ray would be done right away. Not saying OU doesn't miss up but we don't get the schools side of injury treatment in college like we we do at the NFL level. My wife has been in the hospital more than we like and MRIs are pretty common.
@@megaprimeoptimustron3089 MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. OU is known for their medical school and Hospital-----why is their university medical staff not one of the premier in the country?!?!?!?!?!
Thanks guys, that Pod shined a lot of light on two issues that I was concerned about. Now we need to get our best salesman to have a chat with Nic. I hate to lose a guy who is crimson to the bone!
I think "quitting on the team" is, except in rare cases, quitting on the people who aren't putting you in position to perform. Nic Anderson getting his own MRI to diagnose his injury and driving to Edmond for treatment is so ridiculous that I wouldn't have thought it possible at a power 4.
Yeah I’m sorry but if I’m Coach V I’m saying that one of us goes and it’s either whoever made that decision or it’s me. I’m getting someone fired. That’s ridiculous. In my opinion if a player gets injured and requests an mri or a scan then you get them that test.
Thank you for making this episode even if it wasn’t very fun for you to do so. It’s nice that even guys who are connected to, and really plugged into the program are willing to be honest about what’s happening in order to help it grow.
I know that this is just his perspective but that makes so much damn sense when you look back on the season. Holy Hell, How does that happen at a place like Oklahoma???
I don't completely feel this many injuries happened that were season ending is legit. Don't always believe one side without knowing the other side and in college and below we never will do to HIPA restrictions.
So a player that catches the game winner vs TU is just let to walk? I find it hard to believe C'mon guys. There is no loyalty in this era if Portal and NIL It's all about the $$ A football blue blood not having a competent medical staff? Really? After a Blake year you really think OU not wanting to do everything it can to put out a winning product football?
Oh he’s gone but OU is playing with fire if they let kids enter the portal and coke back to the team if they didn’t get what they wanted in the portal. That’s a bad precedent to set
So a player that catches the game winner vs TU is just let to walk? I find it hard to believe C'mon guys. There is no loyalty in this era if Portal and NIL It's all about the $$ A football blue blood not having a competent medical staff? Really? After a Blake year you really think OU not wanting to do everything it can to put out a winning product football?
@@SamuelMiller-qf7qi I would agree with you…in most cases. This is one of the rare cases where I’d be perfectly fine with them allowing him back. If he wanted to leave due to the medical staff and then they told him they’ve addressed that issue, I think he’d be welcomed back. This isn’t the normal cry baby stuff like “you’re not throwing me the ball enough” or “I don’t like my position coach”.
It was amazing to me that some of the commentators that were covering OU who have been involved in College football for many years said that they have never heard of as many injuries as we had this year!
This year? We had a national title game against Florida where we were missing top 3 starting LBers, best RB, and best WR. Against LSU we had almost 15 guys on the injury report. LSU had 1.
You guys may not be a medical professional, but I am. Should the details reported be what actually happened (for the record I trust Gabe and Teddy), Med Staff has some serious explaining to do. The threshold for ordering an MRI on everyday folk is pretty darn low, therefore, I can’t fathom as to why that would not have been part of the work up at the time of injury, certainly after it was re-injured. This reeks of incompetence and certainly something the program does not need weighing it down or manipulated into ammunition to be used in negative recruiting, we have handed out enough of that already… 🤦🏻
Personal example: Went to renowned orthopedic group in Los Angles for an Achilles problem. Took images. They recommended surgery with a 9-12 months recovery. Got a second opinion with another sports orthopedic group. They used non-surgical intervention (shockwave therapy) that had me back on the tennis court in 4 weeks. Six years later, I've had no further problems with that Achilles.
This program seems to be in a disastrous state. To lose ELITE talent of someone who loves the program due to what is perceived to be an inept training and / or medical staff is a flat-out embarrassment! This program appears to have so many leaking holes that no one knows which one to plug 1st. This is tough! Smh
Such a tough situation. B/c of privacy with Health related issues the other side of this story cannot be told. There is always a second side. Always enjoy this podcast!
They need to reevaluate the medical staff. Adjust SC and slim down on the 100% go practices and i think the practices are a big big issue here. I get the want to run such practices because of where we are coming from but it just isn't working we have too many issues with injuries. Stay physical but the right amount fo physical.
Training staff people at the college I went to seemed to hate thier job and didn't like putting time in on players. A player should NEVER have to get thier own MRI.
Thank you Gabe and Teddy for the journalistic integrity when so many would have followed the company line. It sounds like Castiglione needs to take the bull by the horns (if he hasn't already) and demand the best for OUr student-athletes. Especially given the competitive nature of recruiting.
This was an awesome walkthrough of the issues and potential resolution of the problem that Nic had to go through. I really appreciate it. I am glad that they are planning on addressing it before it starts affecting recruiting . Its terrible that some players may have been subjected to this.
This is very unfortunate to hear. It’s hard to believe the medical staff at OU isn’t at a level of professionalism to provide the absolute best care available for its players . I think the university is very fortunate Nic is not suing the university for negligence. Best wishes Nic. Please know us fans think the world of you and wish nothing but the best for you. I hope to see you play on Sundays one day. You’re that dude!
Hate to hear Nic is moving on, especially over an off the field issue. Best of Luck to Nic. Now, great podcast. You prompted me to see exactly who Randel Stevenson is. Very impressive person. Sounds like he will introduce some some ideas that will elevate the program higher than ever thought of before. Great Job OU.
It’s good to get this perspective about one aspect of the program. There are certainly other perspectives and it is always difficult to discern the most accurate narrative. That said, it adds up to a net negative as far as recruiting and retention goes. There is little reason to think we can get everything in order by next year, or 2026. We keep looking for scapegoats, but it is all bigger than one coach, one coordinator, the O-line, the training staff…
My fear for the Sooners is that y'all end up like a great band and split up. In my opinion, the Sooner nation depends on ya. Right now, I'm trying to wrap my mind around how an individual can't wish a young adult the best success and life. Thank you, Nic Anderson for your contributions and memories. Best of luck to ya.
This is absolutely embarassing! 85,000 like me paying 2K a year for season tickets & we have student athletes down there having to paying for their own MRI's! Who the hell is in charge down there & how does this happen!!! Just unreal This is just what's known, I'm sure there's other stuff even worse will never hear about. 3 years to prepare for this transition into the SEC & instead of doing what it takes to ensure OU is elite it feels more like a poorly ran dollar general. I feel sorry for the student athletes & for BV. This level of failure goes way beyond him
Someone needs to look at the medical staff if BV doesn’t have any thing to say about it then Joe C needs to make a change with it they need to have the best.
I've got to say Im shocked that with all the money thrown at the OU Program, we don't have every rehab facility available to man Within Walking Distance from the Stadium. Also, the best doctors in the State.
There cheap! That's why they parted ways w that guy that came w BV in the beginning. He wanted to make OU first class in everything, instead we have a prgram that cant afford MRI's. Incredible
@CiviTac Are u ppl new? Anyone that's been following OU football for more than a decade KNOWS that Schmitty is one of if not THE best S&C coach in college football an everyone knows this so I doubt it's him. He's part of the reason we were so successful an won a national title
The bigger issue is that it's not just Nic Anderson experiencing this, from what I have seen Andrel Anthony had a similar experience, Burkes possibly as well.
Jerry Schmidt has a history of over-training and injuring athletes. Weightlifting adds body weight via muscle mass thus adding stress to ligaments, tendons, and your cardiovascular and skeletal system. You beef up an athlete and then subject him to non-stop silly agility drills, you wear him out and set him up for a tear. Eric Striker was a better player at Oklahoma in years 1 & 2 than he was all beefed up and stiff in years 3 & 4 at Oklahoma. Do not put your health in the hands of a meathead or a doctor. Tom Brady is the poster child for staying away from the team's meathead strength program and received criticism by the Patriots organization but had a long career using exercise bands.
It is difficult to comprehend? CEO is head coach. Most valuable company asset is the player. Every player has a position coach. Injury equals broken asset. Asset has voice that can speak to position coach about concern and dissatisfaction. Position coach has a voice to communicate concerns asset has about course of repair . Position coach fails to inquire? Position fails to investigate and report concerns asset has to CEO. (CEO angry because asset still unusable to the point asset is no longer an asset) WTF over?
There should be an investigation to the training staff given how many injuries there were the season. There should never be a lack of medical care as to the costs involved. An MRI should be automatic in some situations. Despite the fact that this is Nic Anderson’s perspective, it still needs to be looked at because if you’re losing players, you’re not just losing them to the portal. You’re also losing them to injury. In lieu of the fact that Venables conducts extremely aggressive practice sessions. It should be just as aggressive by the training staff for them to make sure that they prevent and address injury with the utmost attention. They should be held accountable. Furthermore, this brings up the possibility of legal liability and Worker Comp. type law could even come to play in this because now these are professional players, and that’s a job that they’re doing and they’re getting injured on the job. A whole bunch of liability issues raised here, but it does make you wonder about how college football is going to handle this high risk, high injury, sport or now suddenly all the players are just students, but they’re professional athletes they’re being paid-negligence on the part of their training, staff could end up ruining a career(s).
We are not there yet but we are heading that direction. Players are students right now but once they are considered employees of the university that is when things really will change imo.
I have been saying all year that it felt like the training staff and Schimitty have not been managing injury-risk players well. However, no way did Nic have to sit out a whole season for soft tissue injuries.
This nic Anderson story is wild as hell. I don’t see the upside from OU’s standpoint not to get that mri. I can understand having issues with him seeing outside people cuz you feel it undermines your staff, but it sounds like they kinda gave him reason too
I’ve been telling my husband that something is off with all these injuries. It doesn’t make sense these guys who are in phenomenal shape aren’t healing better than this. To hear they aren’t immediately doing MRIs is ridiculous. Throughout all my kids sports injuries I demanded MRIs when the Dr couldn’t without a doubt tell us what was wrong. I learned that the hard way and said never again will I let them string my kids along like this. What Nic is saying makes total sense to me. I wish him the very best and will miss him.
Guys, as a former football player , one would think it's been on the strength and conditioning coachs whom aren't doing jobs, just due to all the problems that have been with so many guys, but also think as a player you know your body and what is needed as extra work, second opinions in order to heal, great show, love the information.
Appreciate the info. Great show and always enjoy your knowledge . Accountably is required in all places. Hope everyone who listened heard you said this is only one side of the story. We need Nic to stick with the Sooners. Of course I’m being selfish and only want the best for him. Boomer Sooner
I cannot believe that the training staff ( non physician) is responsible for deciding who should or should not receive an MRI. Why are the expert contracted Physicians not given the responsibility to decide
If I remember correctly, Farooq was questionable with a broken foot until a few days before Temple.. I can't think of a single good reason to not give him 1-2 more weeks, because its TEMPLE and HOUSTON 🤷♂️
Sounds to me like the medical staff has cost the university multiple players. If the medical staff is the reason players are transferring, that's very bad. Other schools will use that to hurt recruiting. I can only imagine how they will twist the Nick Anderson situation.
From a football perspective, or any sport for that matter, name a team that loses key players, doesnt replace them properly, and unreasonably expects to get better. And now were doing it again this year, deja vu.
I would assume they didn’t want to do one because they thought the tear wasn’t as bad as it was but when you pay a ton for these athletes error on the side of caution and just do the damn MRI
I fractured my C7 vertebrae on a kickoff my sophomore year and I was told by my specialist that I would never play a contact sport again About 6 months later just by chance I had to see a different specialist for a checkup and this guy cleared me, played basketball and two more years of football
Unfortunate situation for nic and ou. Best of luck to him and hopefully we recover as well. Not going to judge either way but if there’s a problem let’s fix it. Boomer!
It’s been obvious all year there was something wrong behind the scenes. Having this many injuries doesn’t just happen. I’ve been saying it all season. Heads need to roll
I hope this is just some players calling out issues that need to be addressed within the program. Nic could come back. Sometimes a bright light is needed to illuminate the shortcomings of a program. Our injuries this year might be a symptom of a larger problem with player development.
I would have expected ou to already have a top tier medical/ sports science/ nutrition team on hand. I feel most big time teams have that so then nit having it is weird. Is that on BV or the AD?
Cannot blame him. When you don't feel like you can trust the people who are supposed to have your physical wellbeing as their top priority, what else are you supposed to do?
I wrote all this before you said he was driving to Edmond. This is astonishing. And he's not the only one???? WTAF? Sounds like some folks need to lose their jobs.
I've been saying every week that the strength, conditioning and rehabilitation program must be an issue. No wayyyyy, should players be out the entire season from non-season ending injuries.... Also, the workout for these WR needs to be revamped...
I’m an OT. If this information is correct it’s an egregious oversight. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a a duck, and associates with other ducks then guess what. I’d be out of there as well. I said about 3 weeks into the year that there looks to be a potential issue with either overtraining or nutrition. So why not fire that staff and save this kids future at OU. I deal with people who have business having a certification or license for OT and PT. I guarantee that he is not the only one that has this opinion
I would like to say I wonder if directives have been given to not approve MRIs. I tripped over my dogs cot in the dark while carrying a clipboard. It turned and was driven into my left side. I was in pain beyond being able to describe. I went to my doctor and got an X-ray and it showed rib contusion and crack of 6th and 7th rib. My pain was deep and my doctor refused to order an MRI to look to see if I had muscle torn or even a spleen injury. I am an active person and said I need to see if I have a muscle tear because it will not heal if I am moving in ways to not let it heal. Response was, Well if it hurts to move a certain way, don’t move that way. I had to call my chiropractor to get my MRI ordered.
Again guys, just know this is all Nic Anderson’s perspective. Always two sides to every story. Just making sure everyone knows. Wasn’t said enough in this video.
@@OUrNit03How FRUSTRATING that our first year in the SEC we had a WR room full of NFL talent sitting on the sidelines the entire season. They never even made it out of fall camp. If that continues to happen not only will we keep losing games but nobody is going to want to come play at a place where a leg cramp can cause you to miss an entire season
@brianhaynes9972 This program seems to be so incompetent it's sickening!! There are SO MANY things wrong with this program to where it's at a point it seems to be a miracle that any kid that has any talent would want to come play for this school. How did this program fall so far so fast?!?? A complete embarrassment to lose an elite player in this fashion smh.
You know it's called a steroid for him SEC has not played by rules for years now with NIL for all teams it's going to challenge the likes of Oklahoma year by year to sell recruits and the portal transfers see the challenge ahead win as team lose as a team so we become a team now as the future is now there is no tomorrow it starts today this minute Boomer Sooner love you if you play to your potential in my book you will be winners like Gene Hackman' said in Hoosiers you have got to want it. Peace God be with us all.
I wish him all the best but like his brother he is injury prone Rodney had his opportunity but he got injured too it's just part of the game folks good luck Nic you will be missed but hold no blame for get into work and do your best Boomer Sooner
Whoever at OU that has the ability to fix this MUST do so immediately. This is beyond unacceptable. Can they get Anderson to stay based on their promise to make sweeping changes?
I will say this. I know these players are tough. The iron sharpens, iron theory however has failed. We had more injuries than any school in the country (unlucky? Perhaps). Hope OU changes its training/practice philosophy period!!!
We get it, Anderson's perspective. Compartmentalization, i like it. Why specifically with the starting WRs was this an issue? Is this NIL related? Why did the backups play SEC starters all season and manage to stay on the field? An MRI wasnt performed or whatever but we're gonna pay Bauer Sharp? We're supposed to believe that OU couldn't put a player under an MRI machine for maybe an hour? Venables said, "your best ability is your availability."
Nick Anderson apparently didn't think much of OU athletics plan to address the medical staff. That concerns me. He loves BV he loves OU and he leaves. Why? The answer is obvious.
there is a issue...hope it gets resolved and Nic feels good enough about the solution to come back to OU out of the portal!!,,going into the portal may have been his only way of making the powers to be aware there is an issue!
If your players are driving an hour+ to get physical therapy because the training staff cant/wont do it.. Someones gotta be held responisble and you said hes not the only one.. thats a sad reason to lose a player. Kid tore his quad in the spring and because they refused to do an MRI it got worse... he could potentially take legal action for that.
This sound alot like more jsut overall mismanagement.. Remember it took 3/4 of the season to find out OU didn't have a QB coach and that multiple assistants were rotating giving QB meetings for games etc.. Sound like Norman is a disaster under BV.
It seems pretty obvious that the OU training and medical team are inadequate even if you look at the other guys in the WR room. Just like we need to make adjustments elsewhere, we need to upgrade this staff significantly to mimic what an NFL team has.
The fans in the comments talking about how they should get the AD and president to try and talk nic into staying. It kinda sounds like there is absolutely no chance that he ever plays for OU and BV again
Gabe and Teddy, I'm glad you are bringing this up. My son was on the 2022 and 2023 team and had this exact same injury. Pulled quad, get a little better try to play again. Injure it again, recover 3-4 weeks and do it all over again. Was told an Mri was not necessary multiple times. Finally we went outside of the program for help and had an Mri and did have a tear. This is amazingly hard on the player and the players family. I feel for Nic and his family. My son did leave and earned a full scholarship in the BIG 10 and health as can be. He is a life long Sooner, 5 the generation Sooner and it was a difficult time. Proud of my son and believing in himself and stick with his dream to play D1 football. Love my Sooners and always will. No hard feelings. Nic you're going to be ok, with the proper care you will be back better than ever. I don't wish this on anyone ever, was a brutal time in my son's life.
We could have used Gavun Marshall the last 2 years
Extremely concerning to hear that this wasn't a one-off mistake by the training staff, needs to be fixed immediately!
Doesn't OU have on-site mri equipment? I would think that an MRI and x-ray would be done right away. Not saying OU doesn't miss up but we don't get the schools side of injury treatment in college like we we do at the NFL level. My wife has been in the hospital more than we like and MRIs are pretty common.
Yeah they literally have an entire medical school there. Not sure why it would have been an issue, also heard he did have it scanned
@@megaprimeoptimustron3089 MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. OU is known for their medical school and Hospital-----why is their university medical staff not one of the premier in the country?!?!?!?!?!
I appreciate y’all making in the weeds on news topics with the team as well
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We literally lost a HUGE player because of our training staff. Unacceptable.
Damn why can't we jus get a new training staff wtf
Thank you Gabe and Teddy for the details. Far better than some outlets just saying we should “ read between the lines.” 🙄
Yep or come pay a subscription and get the info
You don’t even have to give it away and I already know you’re referencing OU insider 🙄
Agreed. Cryptic messaging gets really old.
@@brockcastleberry1154they are too expensive lol
Drumm is a clown. I don't mind the others, but Drumm is insufferable
Thanks guys, that Pod shined a lot of light on two issues that I was concerned about. Now we need to get our best salesman to have a chat with Nic. I hate to lose a guy who is crimson to the bone!
I think "quitting on the team" is, except in rare cases, quitting on the people who aren't putting you in position to perform. Nic Anderson getting his own MRI to diagnose his injury and driving to Edmond for treatment is so ridiculous that I wouldn't have thought it possible at a power 4.
Yeah I’m sorry but if I’m Coach V I’m saying that one of us goes and it’s either whoever made that decision or it’s me. I’m getting someone fired. That’s ridiculous. In my opinion if a player gets injured and requests an mri or a scan then you get them that test.
Exactly
Thank you for making this episode even if it wasn’t very fun for you to do so. It’s nice that even guys who are connected to, and really plugged into the program are willing to be honest about what’s happening in order to help it grow.
I know that this is just his perspective but that makes so much damn sense when you look back on the season. Holy Hell, How does that happen at a place like Oklahoma???
right i thought we had a goated medical staff guess not if you think abt it when’s the last time oklahoma delt with this ?
I don't completely feel this many injuries happened that were season ending is legit. Don't always believe one side without knowing the other side and in college and below we never will do to HIPA restrictions.
"This is all Nic Anderson's point of view". If this happened to multiple players, where there's smoke, there's fire. There's an issue
It's clear they were walking as close to the line as they could without outright calling the medical and training staff bad.
It did, as they mentioned. Multiple kids having to go out of town for private care. You did notice the 3,000 injuries we had?
@@stevejohnson6248I don’t think they can without risking getting removed from calling games and sideline reporting.
Well put!
@@stevejohnson6248100%. They definitely said as much as they could
You guys are so uplifting. You make me and listeners feel like family.
So a player that catches the game winner vs TU is just let to walk? I find it hard to believe
C'mon guys. There is no loyalty in this era if Portal and NIL
It's all about the $$
A football blue blood not having a competent medical staff? Really?
After a Blake year you really think OU not wanting to do everything it can to put out a winning product football?
They sound like paid damage control spokespersons to me.
OU President and AD need to talk to Nik. Dont give up until he enrolls
Yep I doubt they will tho
OU better continue to try to bring him back
Oh he’s gone but OU is playing with fire if they let kids enter the portal and coke back to the team if they didn’t get what they wanted in the portal. That’s a bad precedent to set
So a player that catches the game winner vs TU is just let to walk? I find it hard to believe
C'mon guys. There is no loyalty in this era if Portal and NIL
It's all about the $$
A football blue blood not having a competent medical staff? Really?
After a Blake year you really think OU not wanting to do everything it can to put out a winning product football?
@@SamuelMiller-qf7qi I would agree with you…in most cases. This is one of the rare cases where I’d be perfectly fine with them allowing him back. If he wanted to leave due to the medical staff and then they told him they’ve addressed that issue, I think he’d be welcomed back. This isn’t the normal cry baby stuff like “you’re not throwing me the ball enough” or “I don’t like my position coach”.
It was amazing to me that some of the commentators that were covering OU who have been involved in College football for many years said that they have never heard of as many injuries as we had this year!
This year? We had a national title game against Florida where we were missing top 3 starting LBers, best RB, and best WR.
Against LSU we had almost 15 guys on the injury report. LSU had 1.
@@drobert1741 We were really a whole medical staff away from Stoops being the best coach in OU history >:(
Enjoy yall's pod for sure and know way more than I but from OU fan in Texas this Med staff and Schmitty need to answer for some things.
You guys may not be a medical professional, but I am. Should the details reported be what actually happened (for the record I trust Gabe and Teddy), Med Staff has some serious explaining to do. The threshold for ordering an MRI on everyday folk is pretty darn low, therefore, I can’t fathom as to why that would not have been part of the work up at the time of injury, certainly after it was re-injured. This reeks of incompetence and certainly something the program does not need weighing it down or manipulated into ammunition to be used in negative recruiting, we have handed out enough of that already… 🤦🏻
DEI training staff....
@@JamesOMalley-hb4tfis it really?
I also agree as a medical professional as well
Personal example: Went to renowned orthopedic group in Los Angles for an Achilles problem. Took images. They recommended surgery with a 9-12 months recovery. Got a second opinion with another sports orthopedic group. They used non-surgical intervention (shockwave therapy) that had me back on the tennis court in 4 weeks. Six years later, I've had no further problems with that Achilles.
This program seems to be in a disastrous state. To lose ELITE talent of someone who loves the program due to what is perceived to be an inept training and / or medical staff is a flat-out embarrassment! This program appears to have so many leaking holes that no one knows which one to plug 1st. This is tough! Smh
This is beyomd embarrassing bro
Then someone needs to stand up & say something
Such a tough situation. B/c of privacy with Health related issues the other side of this story cannot be told. There is always a second side. Always enjoy this podcast!
Sounds like OU needs to reevaluate their medical staff,as well as the S&C staff.
LOL....
They need to reevaluate the medical staff. Adjust SC and slim down on the 100% go practices and i think the practices are a big big issue here. I get the want to run such practices because of where we are coming from but it just isn't working we have too many issues with injuries. Stay physical but the right amount fo physical.
Incredible deep dive on OUs sports medicine situation!
Hope the best for Nic and hope he was ok you guys speaking authoratively on his behalf!
Training staff people at the college I went to seemed to hate thier job and didn't like putting time in on players. A player should NEVER have to get thier own MRI.
Thank you Gabe and Teddy for the journalistic integrity when so many would have followed the company line. It sounds like Castiglione needs to take the bull by the horns (if he hasn't already) and demand the best for OUr student-athletes. Especially given the competitive nature of recruiting.
My heart hurts fellas 💔
This was great information presented to me PERFECTLY! Thank you guys!
I know yall don’t like doing that type of in the weeds but I think it was super informative and print light to people! Thank yall for what yall did!
This was an awesome walkthrough of the issues and potential resolution of the problem that Nic had to go through. I really appreciate it. I am glad that they are planning on addressing it before it starts affecting recruiting . Its terrible that some players may have been subjected to this.
This is very unfortunate to hear. It’s hard to believe the medical staff at OU isn’t at a level of professionalism to provide the absolute best care available for its players . I think the university is very fortunate Nic is not suing the university for negligence.
Best wishes Nic. Please know us fans think the world of you and wish nothing but the best for you. I hope to see you play on Sundays one day. You’re that dude!
Well said bro
Thanks for sharing Nic’s perspective and also the Sports Medicine model going forward!
Awesome job!
Appreciate you both so much for what you do for Oklahoma. Boomer!
Hate to hear Nic is moving on, especially over an off the field issue. Best of Luck to Nic.
Now, great podcast. You prompted me to see exactly who Randel Stevenson is. Very impressive person. Sounds like he will introduce some some ideas that will elevate the program higher than ever thought of before. Great Job OU.
It’s good to get this perspective about one aspect of the program. There are certainly other perspectives and it is always difficult to discern the most accurate narrative. That said, it adds up to a net negative as far as recruiting and retention goes. There is little reason to think we can get everything in order by next year, or 2026. We keep looking for scapegoats, but it is all bigger than one coach, one coordinator, the O-line, the training staff…
My fear for the Sooners is that y'all end up like a great band and split up. In my opinion, the Sooner nation depends on ya. Right now, I'm trying to wrap my mind around how an individual can't wish a young adult the best success and life. Thank you, Nic Anderson for your contributions and memories. Best of luck to ya.
Thank you guys for doing this one.
This is absolutely embarassing! 85,000 like me paying 2K a year for season tickets & we have student athletes down there having to paying for their own MRI's! Who the hell is in charge down there & how does this happen!!! Just unreal
This is just what's known, I'm sure there's other stuff even worse will never hear about. 3 years to prepare for this transition into the SEC & instead of doing what it takes to ensure OU is elite it feels more like a poorly ran dollar general. I feel sorry for the student athletes & for BV. This level of failure goes way beyond him
Someone needs to look at the medical staff if BV doesn’t have any thing to say about it then Joe C needs to make a change with it they need to have the best.
Same thing I was thinking. This issue may be beyond BV...maybe a Joe C matter. Someone needs to address it bc this is ridiculous!!
I've got to say Im shocked that with all the money thrown at the OU Program, we don't have every rehab facility available to man Within Walking Distance from the Stadium. Also, the best doctors in the State.
There cheap! That's why they parted ways w that guy that came w BV in the beginning. He wanted to make OU first class in everything, instead we have a prgram that cant afford MRI's. Incredible
@@KWof918BillingsSolarthe university is a billion dollars in debt. They have to start making payments soon. Look it up. 😂
I could see Andrel Anthony being next. He got hurt in the Texas game last year and still missed all of this season. Weird.
We clearly have a bad medical staff or problems in the strength and conditioning staff…..or both.
It’s both. Can’t absolve s&c just bc it’s smitty
@CiviTac Are u ppl new? Anyone that's been following OU football for more than a decade KNOWS that Schmitty is one of if not THE best S&C coach in college football an everyone knows this so I doubt it's him. He's part of the reason we were so successful an won a national title
And why is mostly offense then? The defense would be just as banged up if it was S&C
@@BrianJohnsonArmwrestling he had issues with injuries at A&M as well. He might have been good 2 decades ago but obviously something has changed
The bigger issue is that it's not just Nic Anderson experiencing this, from what I have seen Andrel Anthony had a similar experience, Burkes possibly as well.
You guys did a great job being honest about the situation here. We can't have players leave for things other teams do fine at.
Great video guys, thanks for the information!
Great to hear something that isn’t vague subscription driven “news!”
Time to fire some people. End of the story. Look at how many injuries we have had this year.
I agree with you 100%. Something isn't right -- all the injuries have been ridiculous.
Looks like we need a new head of training and medical staff to start. Military off seasons are 3 decades out of date.
Thank you guys for the reporting. Excellent work! Boomer!
Jerry Schmidt has a history of over-training and injuring athletes. Weightlifting adds body weight via muscle mass thus adding stress to ligaments, tendons, and your cardiovascular and skeletal system. You beef up an athlete and then subject him to non-stop silly agility drills, you wear him out and set him up for a tear. Eric Striker was a better player at Oklahoma in years 1 & 2 than he was all beefed up and stiff in years 3 & 4 at Oklahoma. Do not put your health in the hands of a meathead or a doctor. Tom Brady is the poster child for staying away from the team's meathead strength program and received criticism by the Patriots organization but had a long career using exercise bands.
This is probably the best news for all OU football that I have received all year. Thanks for that!
Thanks for the clarity guys
3:20 Listen to what GABE says right here. I TOTALLY AGREE
We've all been asking why all these athletes have been injured this year.
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Lsu fan here from Oklahoma. Ou has one of the best medical teams in the US and this ticked me off
Thanks for the honest reporting
It is difficult to comprehend? CEO is head coach. Most valuable company asset is the player. Every player has a position coach. Injury equals broken asset. Asset has voice that can speak to position coach about concern and dissatisfaction. Position coach has a voice to communicate concerns asset has about course of repair . Position coach fails to inquire? Position fails to investigate and report concerns asset has to CEO. (CEO angry because asset still unusable to the point asset is no longer an asset) WTF over?
There should be an investigation to the training staff given how many injuries there were the season. There should never be a lack of medical care as to the costs involved. An MRI should be automatic in some situations.
Despite the fact that this is Nic Anderson’s perspective, it still needs to be looked at because if you’re losing players, you’re not just losing them to the portal. You’re also losing them to injury.
In lieu of the fact that Venables conducts extremely aggressive practice sessions. It should be just as aggressive by the training staff for them to make sure that they prevent and address injury with the utmost attention. They should be held accountable. Furthermore, this brings up the possibility of legal liability and Worker Comp. type law could even come to play in this because now these are professional players, and that’s a job that they’re doing and they’re getting injured on the job.
A whole bunch of liability issues raised here, but it does make you wonder about how college football is going to handle this high risk, high injury, sport or now suddenly all the players are just students, but they’re professional athletes they’re being paid-negligence on the part of their training, staff could end up ruining a career(s).
We are not there yet but we are heading that direction. Players are students right now but once they are considered employees of the university that is when things really will change imo.
This is unfortunate. I’ve wondered and questioned all season why there were so many injuries. It’s too bad and should be looked at.
I have been saying all year that it felt like the training staff and Schimitty have not been managing injury-risk players well. However, no way did Nic have to sit out a whole season for soft tissue injuries.
Thank you, Dr TH-cam Commenter
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This nic Anderson story is wild as hell. I don’t see the upside from OU’s standpoint not to get that mri. I can understand having issues with him seeing outside people cuz you feel it undermines your staff, but it sounds like they kinda gave him reason too
Thanks this was very informative
I’ve been telling my husband that something is off with all these injuries. It doesn’t make sense these guys who are in phenomenal shape aren’t healing better than this. To hear they aren’t immediately doing MRIs is ridiculous. Throughout all my kids sports injuries I demanded MRIs when the Dr couldn’t without a doubt tell us what was wrong. I learned that the hard way and said never again will I let them string my kids along like this.
What Nic is saying makes total sense to me. I wish him the very best and will miss him.
Is there any way Oklahoma can fix this for Nick Anderson so that he would be willing to come back and stay.
You gotta admit, we lost a lot of receivers and a few other folks on offense
this only makes me feel worse about things.
Guys, as a former football player , one would think it's been on the strength and conditioning coachs whom aren't doing jobs, just due to all the problems that have been with so many guys, but also think as a player you know your body and what is needed as extra work, second opinions in order to heal, great show, love the information.
Appreciate the info. Great show and always enjoy your knowledge . Accountably is required in all places. Hope everyone who listened heard you said this is only one side of the story. We need Nic to stick with the Sooners. Of course I’m being selfish and only want the best for him. Boomer Sooner
Thanks for your input
Great pod !!!
I cannot believe that the training staff ( non physician) is responsible for deciding who should or should not receive an MRI. Why are the expert contracted Physicians not given the responsibility to decide
Nice show guys!
If I remember correctly, Farooq was questionable with a broken foot until a few days before Temple..
I can't think of a single good reason to not give him 1-2 more weeks, because its TEMPLE and HOUSTON 🤷♂️
Wish you the best Nick great player great young man
great show thanks
Sounds to me like the medical staff has cost the university multiple players. If the medical staff is the reason players are transferring, that's very bad. Other schools will use that to hurt recruiting. I can only imagine how they will twist the Nick Anderson situation.
From a football perspective, or any sport for that matter, name a team that loses key players, doesnt replace them properly, and unreasonably expects to get better. And now were doing it again this year, deja vu.
Thank you
I would assume they didn’t want to do one because they thought the tear wasn’t as bad as it was but when you pay a ton for these athletes error on the side of caution and just do the damn MRI
As such I would happily volunteer my services to the University in 2 seconds. Sports Chiro here
Thanks for being amazing!! Boomer!
I fractured my C7 vertebrae on a kickoff my sophomore year and I was told by my specialist that I would never play a contact sport again
About 6 months later just by chance I had to see a different specialist for a checkup and this guy cleared me, played basketball and two more years of football
Unfortunate situation for nic and ou. Best of luck to him and hopefully we recover as well. Not going to judge either way but if there’s a problem let’s fix it. Boomer!
It’s been obvious all year there was something wrong behind the scenes. Having this many injuries doesn’t just happen. I’ve been saying it all season. Heads need to roll
I hope this is just some players calling out issues that need to be addressed within the program. Nic could come back. Sometimes a bright light is needed to illuminate the shortcomings of a program. Our injuries this year might be a symptom of a larger problem with player development.
I would have expected ou to already have a top tier medical/ sports science/ nutrition team on hand. I feel most big time teams have that so then nit having it is weird. Is that on BV or the AD?
Super helpful thanks guys, definitely not a good look and sounds like this needs to be corrected immediately
Cannot blame him. When you don't feel like you can trust the people who are supposed to have your physical wellbeing as their top priority, what else are you supposed to do?
I wrote all this before you said he was driving to Edmond. This is astonishing. And he's not the only one???? WTAF? Sounds like some folks need to lose their jobs.
Meh. The best ability is availability and quite frankly he has been more unavailable than available. Time to move on.
@@jasonwilson-j1qsounds like at least part of that was due to the OU medical staff.
I've been saying every week that the strength, conditioning and rehabilitation program must be an issue. No wayyyyy, should players be out the entire season from non-season ending injuries.... Also, the workout for these WR needs to be revamped...
Sounds like a malpractice suit on the horizon. Honestly sad to see this situation play out like it has
I’m an OT. If this information is correct it’s an egregious oversight. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a a duck, and associates with other ducks then guess what. I’d be out of there as well. I said about 3 weeks into the year that there looks to be a potential issue with either overtraining or nutrition. So why not fire that staff and save this kids future at OU. I deal with people who have business having a certification or license for OT and PT. I guarantee that he is not the only one that has this opinion
I would like to say I wonder if directives have been given to not approve MRIs. I tripped over my dogs cot in the dark while carrying a clipboard. It turned and was driven into my left side. I was in pain beyond being able to describe. I went to my doctor and got an X-ray and it showed rib contusion and crack of 6th and 7th rib. My pain was deep and my doctor refused to order an MRI to look to see if I had muscle torn or even a spleen injury. I am an active person and said I need to see if I have a muscle tear because it will not heal if I am moving in ways to not let it heal. Response was, Well if it hurts to move a certain way, don’t move that way. I had to call my chiropractor to get my MRI ordered.
Again guys, just know this is all Nic Anderson’s perspective. Always two sides to every story. Just making sure everyone knows. Wasn’t said enough in this video.
LSU qb gets drilled looks like a broken collar bone is out like 1 series our guys pull a hammy his career is over
Something is off
BINGO!!!!! Andrel tears ACL over a yr ago and hasn't returned.
Who is head of the medical staff?
@@OUrNit03How FRUSTRATING that our first year in the SEC we had a WR room full of NFL talent sitting on the sidelines the entire season. They never even made it out of fall camp. If that continues to happen not only will we keep losing games but nobody is going to want to come play at a place where a leg cramp can cause you to miss an entire season
@brianhaynes9972 This program seems to be so incompetent it's sickening!! There are SO MANY things wrong with this program to where it's at a point it seems to be a miracle that any kid that has any talent would want to come play for this school. How did this program fall so far so fast?!?? A complete embarrassment to lose an elite player in this fashion smh.
You know it's called a steroid for him SEC has not played by rules for years now with NIL for all teams it's going to challenge the likes of Oklahoma year by year to sell recruits and the portal transfers see the challenge ahead win as team lose as a team so we become a team now as the future is now there is no tomorrow it starts today this minute Boomer Sooner love you if you play to your potential in my book you will be winners like Gene Hackman' said in Hoosiers you have got to want it. Peace God be with us all.
Wholly shit! This is OU, yall realize how many doctors graduated from OU. I would imagine 1000’s of doctors from OU would gladly help out.
Nic will go somewhere and win the playoff. He’s the kind of guy to put a team over the top in this league. This is terrible
He won’t stay healthy
I wish him all the best but like his brother he is injury prone Rodney had his opportunity but he got injured too it's just part of the game folks good luck Nic you will be missed but hold no blame for get into work and do your best Boomer Sooner
He had one good season two years ago. Probably won't ever even sniff the NFL. 😂
@@JamesOMalley-hb4tfhe’s an NFL talent. If you can’t see that then you just don’t know what you’re looking at.
@@Glowlol key word “talent”. You can’t stay healthy in college good luck with a 17 game nfl schedule. He won’t last.
Whoever at OU that has the ability to fix this MUST do so immediately. This is beyond unacceptable. Can they get Anderson to stay based on their promise to make sweeping changes?
I will say this. I know these players are tough. The iron sharpens, iron theory however has failed. We had more injuries than any school in the country (unlucky? Perhaps). Hope OU changes its training/practice philosophy period!!!
We get it, Anderson's perspective. Compartmentalization, i like it. Why specifically with the starting WRs was this an issue? Is this NIL related?
Why did the backups play SEC starters all season and manage to stay on the field? An MRI wasnt performed or whatever but we're gonna pay Bauer Sharp? We're supposed to believe that OU couldn't put a player under an MRI machine for maybe an hour?
Venables said, "your best ability is your availability."
Nick Anderson apparently didn't think much of OU athletics plan to address the medical staff. That concerns me. He loves BV he loves OU and he leaves. Why? The answer is obvious.
there is a issue...hope it gets resolved and Nic feels good enough about the solution to come back to OU out of the portal!!,,going into the portal may have been his only way of making the powers to be aware there is an issue!
Im not BTS, but outside looking in we always have players missing games over the last 3 years. something needs to be fixed ASAP by the way it looks.
If your players are driving an hour+ to get physical therapy because the training staff cant/wont do it..
Someones gotta be held responisble and you said hes not the only one.. thats a sad reason to lose a player.
Kid tore his quad in the spring and because they refused to do an MRI it got worse... he could potentially take legal action for that.
This is absolutely embarrassing!!
This sound alot like more jsut overall mismanagement.. Remember it took 3/4 of the season to find out OU didn't have a QB coach and that multiple assistants were rotating giving QB meetings for games etc..
Sound like Norman is a disaster under BV.
U ppl wanted him hired as soon at TBOW left now ur whining. Stfu or find another team
Brent is a dolt. 😂
It seems pretty obvious that the OU training and medical team are inadequate even if you look at the other guys in the WR room. Just like we need to make adjustments elsewhere, we need to upgrade this staff significantly to mimic what an NFL team has.
Nothing is obvious unless you are one of the ones involved in this situation...which you ARE NOT. So nothing is obvious
i like the shoutout by Teddy
The fans in the comments talking about how they should get the AD and president to try and talk nic into staying. It kinda sounds like there is absolutely no chance that he ever plays for OU and BV again
I would pack my things, and return to Norman for this opportunity to help, but the time is RIGHT NOW.