F--K YES!!! Queenslander born and bred, but I lived down in Victoria (not even Melbourne, just a regional town with a population of about 70,000) for three and half years, and difference in the trading hours was a revelation to me. To be able to come off an evening shift, and still have an hour or two to pick up grocery essentials... or have a proper meal (as opposed to Maccas) after an evening at the cinema... it makes such a difference.
You are correct about population density. The more packed a city is, the longer the business hours. So as the cost of living in Sydney and Melbourne continues to rise, more people will eventually move to Brisbane, and only then will the hours change.
There's no denying that having a larger pool of potential customers does open up options for local businesses, but I think there's more to it than that, though. I do think the cultural habits the extra population brings with it is a big part of it. I think it's not just about having more people, but about having people with diverse cultures and lifestyle goals.
@@BrisbaneChannel Economics tends to shape cultural habits. If you look at the most densely populated cities in the world, they all have shops, cafes, and restaurants that run late into the evening and even up to 24 hours. New York, Paris, Manila,Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Singapore are all in different countries and have different cultures but they're all cities that never sleep. And because population migration tends to flow from bigger cities to smaller cities, where people from the bigger cities like yourself prefer longer trading hours and demand it, the competition among businesses would eventually provide for them.
I agree we need cafes at least till 3:30pm even if they opened at 7am and some from 6:30 till 3:30 pm then restaurants at least till 9:00pm at the start of the week then from Thursday at least 10:00 10:30 pm at night food shops at least 6 till 8 or 9pm at night maybe during the week 6 or 7am till 8pm then from Thursday Friday Saturday till 9pm shops 8:30am till till 5pm then late night till 9pm on Thursday then Friday till 6pm and Saturday 5:30pm and Sunday 10am till 3pm I also think qld should try daylight saving from Gold Coast to Harvy Bay it should not be light at 4:30am it should be still dark know wonder people are awake at 4am and going to bed at 8pm we should go an hour ahead of Sydney and Melbourne so instead of an hour move 2 hour ahead or do an hour ahead and so we are all the same time it should not be light at 4:30 it should be light at 5:30 or 6:30
HELL YES!!! My family and I were quite shocked by the coffee culture here in Brisbane. Also the varieties or lack their of. Dutch Vienna's are super rare here
Great video! This is one of the reasons why Belissimo Coffee on Wandoo Street in Fortitude Valley is my favourite - they serve delicious coffee until 6pm everyday. They have my loyalty because of this!
As a foreigner, I also find that frustrating. Just yesterday we went to a "German" restaurant just to find out they close between 2 and 5 pm. It was 2:30 pm, a perfect viable time to have lunch for several reasons, like if people couldn't have lunch a little bit late on a Saturday afternoon :/ I live in the CBD, and I am also frustrated when places like Boost are closed around 6 pm even in areas like South Bank. Not even the touristic places extend their trading hours. I guess starting by those places should be a good transition at first, since you'll find the biggest amount of foreigners demanding those services and given that Queenslanders have already given up.
You are in a country the size of the USA with a population of one single European city spread across. That is basic scale. We do not have enough scale to operate the same as a European city. It is basic common sense. To make a profit we have to reduce our overheads when the demand is at the point at which creating supply is profitable.
Funnily enough, I work across the road from one of the two 24/7 trading restaurants/cafes you mentioned. I work 10am to 6pm (Mon - Fri) and find it sooooooo so frustrating that most if not ALL cafes within the area close or are closing up by 2pm. 2pm is my allotted lunch break time to fit in my shift and around other work colleagues' breaks, we have a sushi shop around the corner that trades 10:30am to 2:30pm. By the time I get there just after 2pm, they have sold out and are typically in the process of cleaning up and packing down the shop which is always a huge disappointment to me. By 3:30-4pm, I'm at that point where I'd love a proper cafe quality, barista-made coffee, but by then.. The cafes have all but closed and it just drives me nuts!! Even the work day trends for Brisbane seem to be that most employees favour the early early morning starts of 6-7am and finish by 2-3pm. I know this first hand as for myself in the 10-6 spot in my work place.. No one else within my organisation wants to do the 10-6 shift and it becomes very difficult to back fill my spot when I'm sick or on holiday. And again this comes down to that cultural aspect within Brisbane. Every adult wants/needs to be home by 3-4pm at the same time as the kids getting home from school.. Dinners early and then to bed early for that early start the next day again.
I think that confirms the cultural differences of people from different Aussie cities. I look at your comment and think "10-6 would be great", at least compared to starting at 7 or 8, which would be my idea of hell (actually fixed hours are my idea of hell, wherever in the day they sit), but I didn't grow up with this city's culture. It's really hard for me to get my head around why people would WANT to start their day early, and I definitely understand the frustration of trying to deal with businesses that run with hours and availability based on the habits of only one group. But it's also understandable given that that group seems to be the vast majority, and with our low population density, I guess they don't have the luxury of being able to cater to the minority as well when the costs of running everything keep rising. Doesn't make it any less annoying, though.
Leicester, UK here. A city of approximately 300k people, so much smaller than Brisbane, but only around 30 miles away from Nottingham and Derby (500k people?) And 40 miles from Birmingham (2mln people). Many restaurants around here don't even open till 5pm! And most of them close around 11pm but some at 1am! Bare in mind that due to "summer time" and "winter time" difference, our day light hours vary greatly over the year - we are much further away from equator than Brisbane - in December sunset is at 3.40pm, while in June and July it is at 9.35pm! Most people I know don't go to sleep before midnight! Thus certainly influences our habits. That saying I'm more if a morning person! In Mediterranean (Morocco, Spain, Portugal etc) so many people sit in cafes at 7am - never seen that in the UK! We just do t have warm enough weather to want to wake up early and sit outside while having coffee in the sunshine 😢
Yes, local habits certainly affect things. It would be fine if Brisbane wasn't trying to position itself as a "new world city". It's still very much a city made for long-term locals. But we've had a lot of migration from other Australian cities over the last few years, and so the population is rapidly changing, along with the culture. Personally, I feel it's both good and bad, as there's a certain charm to Brisbane and its traditional culture, but a change to embrace a more diverse range of cultures would certainly be welcomed by me!
I think the sunlight has a lot to do with it in Brisbane. We don't have daylight savings either like the southern states. Which means in summer the sun rises at 4.30am and sets at the latest 7.30pm. Winter sun sets at 5pm. Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne have 9pm or so sunsets in summer.
@@alekk6956 I think that would make me wake up early too! Tbh in summer I wake up at 5am anyway 🤪 and hour sunrise in summer is around 4.30am as well. That's the most productive part od the day!
I agonise over the music every time, so glad you liked it! I had to take the drum track down a little, though, as it was a bit distracting to work as a background track otherwise. It's a sad state of affairs when a cafe being open to 8 is a big deal!
I just wish Brisbane would WAKE UP TO ITSELF in general!!! It's a major city yet everything is too slow...too casual and too incompetent! There's no 'professionalism'. Things like buses either get to a stop too late, too early (then departing before the scheduled time), or just not at all! People in customer service can be really short and discourteous without any effort to be civil or friendly. Amenities, services, roads, buildings etc are ALL inadequate, old and should've been upgraded, expanded, remodeled about 30 years ago!! I couldn't possibly guess the amount of times I've slapped my palm on my forehead and said to myself, "Oh For F#ck's Sake Brisbane!!!" in sheer disbelief, frustration or anger! The whole city just feels like it's refusing to become what it should be and wants to stay in the 1980's! And people's attitudes are exactly the same!
Exactly, Young people will never UNDERSTAND how we people mid age and olders have seen brisbane for real. The shops closed too early. Then the city becomes like a empty place and the city becomes really boring as well the suburbs becomes boring. Too many cars but no people in the streets for a walk or the city been again empty. Restaurants almost all of them or at least most of them are already closed by 6pm and how ridiculously that a restaurant would shut the doors by that time when its a restaurant that was meant to be open day and night and not just close the doors by 6pm just because the other fashionable clothing department stores closed the doors. Makes no sense. Then southbank nothing much is then open or some are closed to dine in at night. There is not enough things to do other then a lazy brisbane other then just houses and houses and nothing else around brisbane. Once we thought Brisbane was starting to catch up from the year 1988. But its always and always been lame in brisbane ever since.. its 2024 and yet it feels like it was the 80s and 90s and and so on and still no change of attitudes across brisbane and i wonder why nothing is open late. And all you get is brisbane been an encloser where australians are not very outgoing people nor social people. I mean if things where to stay open late then people will be out going and social people but everyone is at home theres nothing to do in the suburbs and nothing to do in the city. But then you have idiots like young people making it out that there is the beach... and the clubs to go in. But the beach and the pay events has NOTHING to do with daily LIFE across brisbane. They dont understand how we say things. You have the bloody fucxking Olympic games soon and yet brisbane is been short lived. They dont no what they want and also the shopps and restaurants are all closed. Then expect to bring millions of tourist in just 1 week along during the Olympic games and all the million tourist will tell you brisbane is boring nothing is open at night and now every tourist has to stay indoors in thier hotel room to watch tv instead. What sort of rubish is this... The australian goverment has a weird attitude traditionally... Wake up brisbane the time is ticking!
You nailed the missing 'professionalism' right on the head. As an outsider who moved to Brisbane I often just blame this as me trying to bring my outside snobby mentality here but if I like it here enough to move I should try to embrace it. However I have noticed that everywhere, even at banks for example, you find them less organised, less professional then other states. This takes some getting use to but I've accepted it, I would not go back to the stress of other states.
Lock at what lockout laws and subsequent overreach did to trading hours everywhere. The limited hours became part of the culture to nobodies benefit. Covid has slowed that recovery more but there is some increased hours at least in the inner city areas.
Adam, We moved here from Canada and the one thing we find frustrating is the closure of the malls, home goods, hardware stores etc through the week at 5pm. Apart from Thursday??? Why not Friday???. When at work you can't go and pick stuff up. When you are done work, you can't pick stuff up. Maybe we were just spoiled. All is good though, we still are loving Brissy.
Glad you're still loving it here. But yes, I often wonder how I'd get things done if I worked regular hours. I know a lot of people struggle to deal with banks and post offices here due to that very issue.
Chicagoan here and have lived in Bris ten plus years (and love it btw)...thank you for speaking out about the limited hours...it's so true. I definitely think there's a cultural aspect to this...folks definitely are inside much earlier here than almost any major city In Australia, but I also wonder whether this is a lack of entrepreneurship? For example, we have so few bookstores--why not combine a bookstore and coffeeshop and keep it open till (gasp) 11PM? We need more third places for people to relax and unwind, talk, read, think.
When I lived in Brisbane this was genuinely a annoying problem. But i think you hit the nail with why it is like that. until Brissy get a population increase and a rise in foot traffic we will probably not see a change. And for merchants, that's the formula.
The biggest trading hours issue I had with Brisbane was Coles and Woolies closing at 5pm on Saturdays, it meant you really had to plan ahead before heading to a BBQ on the weekend. Thankfully that seems to have changed recently, with my local Coles (Toowong) open till 9pm on Saturdays now.
Yes, I think it changed around 2016 or 2017. When I first moved to Brisbane in 2014, my wife and I were caught off guard by it on the night we moved into our first unit. We spent the day at Ikea shopping for furniture, got back around 4pm (it was a Sunday) and went to get some food for dinner at the Coles in Fairfield Gardens only to find it had already closed. Neither of us could believe it! I had half a packet of chips in my backpack, and that was our dinner that night. If I remember correctly, that particular Coles was open from 10am to 4pm on Sundays, and 9am to 6pm on Saturdays. The extra few hours on the weekend were very welcome when they came!
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@@BrisbaneChannel Many different things , but most notably, a circular route of Brisbane Metro that links Mt. Cootha to Jindalee, Forest Lake, Sunnybank, Mt. Gravatt, Carindale, Hamilton, Brisbane Airport, Chermside, Mitchelton, then back to Mt. Cootha. Many roads will need upgrades with bus lanes and many new Busway corridors would need to be built, particully along the western freeway, the Gateway and the North West corridor, but it would be really good at connecting the suburbs without the need to go into the city. They already have the Great Circle bus route, but its infrequent and slow, with many stops, but this would be an expansion and improvement to that and a circular metro would be more frequent and direct. That said, Hopefully, with metro freeing up the busways, some buses can be freed up for better circular routes. Also as a northside resident, I want some proper congestion busting solutions other than just another toll tunnel. Also, redevelopment where Myer used to be. I think Uptown should open up more onto Elizabeth street and also maybe unlock the rooftop for dining. And give something for people to do thats not too expensive and something other than shopping. Something for all ages. Dopamine land is a start but they will need to do more than that to lure people back in. I also think Queen Street Mall will become pretty dead once Queens wharf opens, as a lot of stores will relocate there or to the future Dexus Development where Eagle Street pier used to be. The mall is a bit boring and they need to do more than just remove 2 restaurants. I think we are reaching the time where we need to repave it again and change a lot of features. The only thing that should not be touched is that Hungry Jacks. Also wish Victoria park went ahead but with 80, 000 seats and development with apartments and retail be good above Albion and will provide alternative for Toombul which closed due to the 2022 floods
@@BrisbaneChannel A proper Circular rail loop like what Melbourne is creating, that will link Jindalee, Browns Plains, Logan, Carindale, Hamilton, Chermside. An Olympics plan that will actually have a legacy, a revamp of Queen Street Mall and Uptown Redevelopment, Sunshine Coast rail but beyond Caloundra and Maroochydore to Noosa (right now there isn't much beyond Maroochydore but once Caloundra are fills up, thats where the next lots of development will be), Capalaba Metro, Metro to Bracken Ridge, Rail on the Northwest corridor, rail to Caboolture West, Rail extension to Coolangatta, redevelopment of area surrounding new cruise terminal, an automated pod system like what they have at London heathrow linking the outer car parks, DFO, and Cruise Terminal to the Domestic and International terminals at Brisbane Airport. I would like to see a University around Chermside or maybe even where Toombul shopping centre was but as a floodproof precinct. This is just SEQ. If we want to go state wide, then I would also like to see more investment in regional Queensland and rural infrastructure, as it will help with logistics and transport. Despite a lower population, regional infrastructure is crucial for the economy. It can also help with national defence. Even though infntry units of the military can move in jut about any conditions, the better the transport infrastructure, the better and quicker they can get to a specific place, so to a degree, good infrastructure can also be good for national security of this wonderful country that I am greatful to be brought up in. But Regional infrastructure and infrastructure in general is very valuable lifeline for the economy, especially when it comes to transport and logistics. Thats another reason I strongly support Public Transport. Because not only does it mean you no longer need to fork out the expenses of owning a car or even having to use it all the time, but also because less congestion is good for transport and logistics like trucking and construction workers, like tradies, who actually need a vehicle to work. And with a population boom in Brisbane, its really crucial that we start doing this. But anyway, thats enough waffle from me, after taking 30 minutes of my life to type this up, and now I am tired from a big busy monday, so good night. Have a nice rest of your day and stay safe.
My sister moved back to Brisbane 2 years ago after living and working more than 20 years in Hong Kong and she still see Brisbane being too slow, too boring and dead (when compare to HK) ! There is not much to do after 7 pm and if you want to have coffee, desert so that you continue your chat with friends etc, sorry, your home is the only place to do that ! At least Kmart at Sunnybank open till 9 pm every day but that's about it after you have dinner near by. Brisbane to host the Olympics and show the world ??? We seriously sneeze at it ! Show what ???
@@BrisbaneChannel That's why my sister still miss Asia, not just HK ! The societies in Asia are so much more lively. We went to Sydney for a short break and it was way more hustling and bustling than Brisbane, public transport is so good you can go so many places even late at night, no way you can do that in Brisbane !!!
@@BrisbaneChannel lets be honest though. Places like Hong Kong, Melbourne, Singapore and all that are Nightlife Cities. Brisbane on the other hand is one of those morning-like cities, with a more natural morning feel.
Comparing Brissy to HK isn't fair comparison imo. Australia itself is a laid back gigantic island and Brisbane and Queensland is even more laid back. I personally love the fact that it's laid back.
@@shashinweeratunga841 HK is very entertainment. I cant imagined Brisdbane been like that. Brisbane so beautiful but far too dull. its just go to work.. and then go home and sleep.... not very outdoor socials like Europeans do or Americans. But anyways thats whats missing for brisbane. Even a tourism dont no about brisbane because they think brisbane is tiny and not much to do and when they do visit brisbane they dont last long because they know everything close early and not much else to do at night and less people out there. So its why Sydney and Melbourne always wins.. If Brisbane wants to win this for future reference they better speed up because i cant imagined seen the Olympic games been made correctly for brisbane.. its such a shame.... theyw here doing so well since 1988... but its still missing big points.... empty city.... everything closing late.... no one goes out and only you think a weekend only to go out and nothing else. How do they expect to have brisbaner the best?> its already the best but its missing many factors which will drive people away. its no wonder why there's not many people out there in the city/. And the city is not just a office zone. Think about it. Because then you have suburbs and its just street by street and houses by houses but no free intertainment in the streets and nothing like that.
haha very true Adam. Have had my auntie come visit and she was dumbfounded when we went to a coffee shop but it was just closing at 4pm. Completely the opposite to Europe when you go out for coffee and cake at 10pm!
@@WalkingandTalkingAussieGirl To be fair, though, he was referring to the population density, which is not really relevant to the population itself. More about the relationship between the population and the area it fills. Brisbane does have an exceptionally low population density that I imagine is not the case in your aunt's town.
@@BrisbaneChannel for sure that is true but ive been there and people are not living on top of each other. i think it is just cultural to open later and close later whereas aussies are in bed usually by that time!
Nice video Adam. I just want to point out though that both New Farm and Hamilton are on the North side. I’ll let you draw your own conclusion from that ;)
@@BrisbaneChannel If only the shopping centres are open until midnight every night like they are during christmas. Or at least until 10pm every night would be a start
Living in Brisbane in the 90s it used to drive me crazy - at so many cafes you had to order lunch before 1pm - an hour before they shut their kitchens. Now 25-30 years later it sounds like nothing's changed - I am thinking of moving back but this is one of my concerns.
Adam, just have to look at BNE airport the arrivals and departures of late when you see Sydney airport compared to BNE. What frustrates me currently is the internatiinal arrivals hardly any not big planes Brisbane needs something like a Grand Opera house building, and iconic Sydney Style coat hanger bridge i dont know what Sydneys got. Ever since covid 19 Sydneys night life and city has changed but its so popular perhaps it was Sydney 2000 Olympics, perhaps Brisbane having 2032 has to look to Sydney 2000. Perhaps Brisbane is just a tool to be used to get to Gold coast. With out a curfew Brisbane should have the advantage of getting overnight planes from international locations Brisbane the Doha of Australia. I hope and pray Brisbane wakes up quick smart soon we can be that first destination internationals visitors want to land at before Sydney and Melbourne, perhaps start by having a Air train that runs 24/7 unfortunately that means an automated driverless shuttle train but this is what frustrates me about Brisbane i want to Brisbane laid back but i want it to be the destination for Big heavy planes at the moment closing early turning-off the burners at 8pm doesnt help. Go Northside!
Thats why sunnybank always has sth open at late hours. In Beijing, if im hungry at 2 am, i can just eat whatever i feel like knowing they are all still open.
I've said this before on your channel, in order to open later, businesses with money to burn need to take the first steps in opening & losing money, to start a cultural shift. The market follows demand, & the demand isnt there, because like you say, we're a morning city. On the upside, if you're a tradie & you want a coffee at 5am, there are places you can get one, & then at 6am practically every cafe is open or opening. The only way forward in this regard is a cultural shift & that takes years & a multi-pronged effort. Admittedly, I'm a Brisbaneite who rarely wants to buy a coffee after 3pm. But when i do, i am content with a Maccas iced coffee, simply because i know my options are limited & accept that. Im just glad we have the option of Maccas. & Starbucks but i cant drink that dunny water. Cafe 63 or whatever it is, thats open late in a lot of locations. While it would be nice for us to get a little more "big city", at the same time i wish people would stop being angry that we aren't. We have our own way, the Brisbane way, & if you visit or move here & hate it, just go somewhere better suited to your lifestyle. The lifestyle is the reason that after a year in Sydney i came scurrying back home to Brisbane where i could relax. All Aussie cities have something specific to offer. I actuslly found SA to be waaaaay more boring than Brissy. I haven't been to Perth but it looks boring.
Firstly I'd get the southside to get over it, the entire state matters as much as eachother. Secondly you have Woodridge and Beenleigh. You don't get to brag. We only have Caboolture and honestly its not that bad. And finally 7-11 flat white is some of the best bang for your buck coffee around
I can overlook the north vs south bit, but 7-11 coffee?!! Sure it's cheap, but honestly, the only way it could be considered good value for money would be if they paid you to drink it! If you're just after a caffeine hit, sure, that's a good solution. But if you want to enjoy the taste, well...
Oh, I forgot about that! I've gone for fish and chips at my local place around 7:30 and been dumbfounded by the fact that they've already closed. Thankfully their food has gone downhill (and their prices in the opposite direction) over the last year or so, so I don't feel so bad about missing out.
I have expressed the same frustration to my aussie coworkers over and over. Seems like the solution is to move to a bigger city where expenses are higher too.
I think sometimes ignorance is bliss. For people who grew up here in Brisbane and never lived elsewhere, this is all they know, and they can be fully content. But once people have experience of life that continues later in the day (either by coming from other cities, or spending years in them), it's much harder to be happy with the very limited hours.
@@BrisbaneChannel Brisbane is becoming a migrant city now tho. The number of times my international friends complain about being bored due to nothing much open is countless. Sunnybank does have some restaurants open till midnight or 2am as far as I know. That is good enough considering this is Brisbane.
@BrisbaneChannel You're RIGHT! It IS ridiculous that so many places close in the afternoon and even at night! I remember back when I used to frequent areas, in and out of the city, and can't recall any such stupidity! Maybe it's been since the whole 'you know what' 4+ years ago, that changed everything, or has it been that way for even longer, and I just didn't notice?
@@BrisbaneChannel It's the lifestyle. If you didn't remember to buy before the shops close, you probably didn't need it that badly. If you do need it that badly, there is always a shop open somewhere, you'll just pay through the nose. Love your work bro, keep it up
Brisbane is a bit more of a morning city. Isn't great for me as a nightowl, but hey, sometimes you gotta get up early in the morning and do what you need to do
Honestly, if this is your biggest gripe, then Bris has done pretty well. Try Birmingham in the UK with half the population of Bris but with twice as much traffic, more expensive & less well ran public transport, & 4 million times the crime rate. But good news! The shops are open later. I guess you want the city to be tip top in every requirement as a citizen which is fair enough, I just consider the problem to be very first world/minimal compared to other cities of the world. (Northside is better, imo, less industrial.)
I absolutely agree. However we do have a pretty serious housing crisis at the moment, and I admit I feel pretty silly choosing this as the thing I would change. I am planning a fairly in-depth video looking at that issue, but for this challenge, I didn't have the time resources to do a topic like that justice.
You are conflating the issues. Birmingham being a dump has nothing to do with trading hours, it's because it has been very badly mismanaged by vested interests over a long time and failed to adapt to economic change. The result is it has one of the poorest economies in the UK and unemployment is way above the UK and Midlands average leading to the high crime rate.
I dont think it's a big issue as far as supermarkets are concerned. If you can't find a way to get groceries between 7am and 9pm 6 days a week and before 6pm on Sunday, then something is pretty wrong. And if you really can't do it, there's plenty of IGAs around. But yeah, we absolutely need to work on the cafe/restaurant times. I'm in Coorparoo and there's a smattering of cafes closing at 4 and 5pm, so things might be looking up.
Dome cafes in Perth are opened past 4pm. Most of them are opened till 7pm and a few even till 9pm. Coles and WW are opened till 9pm weekdays and on certain public holidays they are opened as well. There are Spud Shed stores that are sized like a Coles or WW and they open 24/7! They are a huge independent grocery store chain in Perth. I lived in Perth for more than 2 decades before moving to Brisbane for work and yes I agree, the opening hours of the shops here in Brisbane are not reflective of what a big city should be.
Cafes close early, yep, because we’re up at 5am - no daylight saving! Ugh. I would love some k-fried chicken at 11pm (about twice a year), but I’m old.
When I first moved here it was very weird for me to get used to the trading hours but I do have to disagree that Brisbane is a morning people city because it has been incredibly difficult for me to find any place near me that is open before 7am. What makes it worse is that every job I've worked has seemed to have trading hours that are about half an hour or so before I start and after I start which makes it impossible to do practically anything on the weekdays, thus my weekends are packed with chores.
Brisbane is at an extreme end of our timezone and arguably 'should' be GMT+11. If you think of time relative to when the sun rises in summer I don't think this issue is as bad as it seems and comparing clock times directly to other cities is a bit of an apples and oranges situation.
When I moved from Sydney I was warned that basically coffee finished at 2pm and a ‘late’ dinner ended by 9pm. It still hurts.😢 If Brisbane really wants to be seen as a global city then it needs to move with the times starting with those Category 1 and 2 designations. Making all of Brisbane Category 1 would be a start.
I know your pain and I agree. That indeed would be a good starting point. I truly wonder why New Farm and Hamilton were designated that way in the first place. Since they're also among the most affluent suburbs in Brisbane, I wonder if there were some political dealings behind the scenes that got them that categorisation, rather than them truly being "tourism locations". Surely there's more tourists trying to shop in the CBD than in New Farm and Hamilton!
Australia in general is horrible in this regard. The fact that stores are closing at 5:30pm in the evening most nights is crazy. In Israel where I am originally from, 30 years ago small mum and dad stores in say a quiet street would close at 7 usually, but malls etc would only close at around 9 or 10, and some stores stayed open until midnight. And thats in a religious country where normally stores are closed from mid friday until saturday night.. where at around 6-7pm you would have all the stores open again until 10pm-11pm. In NSW (I lived in Sydney for a few years) supermarkets are open until midnight. thats WAY better than QLD for sure. But even Bondi Junction !! stores are closing at 6PM. How are people buying stuff during the week!? and why is Big W which is basically KMart by a different company closes in brisbane with the rest of the stores but KMart of all stores can stay open until so late? then everyone is shocked that Kmart makes so much money... there's nowhere else to go and buy cloths etc after 5:30... when most people finish work.
Retailer shops don’t need to open till after 10 am and can close at 8 pm Restaurants don’t open at lunch Cafes who cares, you can get that at home or work
I always wonder how they got designated as such. The fact that they're among the city's most expensive suburbs makes me wonder if there's people living there that have influence and connections with key decision makers. Or maybe not residents, but property developers with interests in those suburbs or something like that.
Oh yeah I was walking around Paris at like 10.30pm one evening and it was alive with street cafes people everywhere it was wonderful. Come on Brisburn 🥵
It's a way of work life balance up here and I don't think it should change at all. Lived in 24hr cities before and they're fun when your'e young but growing families like to settle down in early afternoon. It's bit strange when you first move to QLD but understand why soon enough, very pleasant.
I can see the appeal to some of that, but I feel that having options is never a bad thing. If there are more things open at certain times, nobody is forcing people to take advantage of that. You can still just spend time with the family at home, but at least those that live different lifestyles can have options as well. I feel that Brisbane is still the kind of place that suits a certain demographic, and has limited interest in creating a place for people outside of that. But it's also understandable, as there's not the population density to make facilitating a broader range of lifestyle options practical or realistic. But I guess I just wish Brisbane wouldn't kid itself about what kind of city it is. There's definitely a charm and appeal to what it is, but a "new world city" it is not.
i grew up in Brisbane and the sunshine coast , and this never used to be a problem. but it now is for sure . I live at Noosa now and it's so frustrating to not be able to get even a hamburger after 2 pm. or a coffee after 2.30 pm .it's seems to be getting worse too. It's catching on more and more, cafe's are closing early . I can get a take away coffee at the bakery and at the petrol station , it seems everyone is selling coffee these days. But no cafe's in the afternoon , and they all say the same thing. ' we don't make any money after 2 pm.' . And my thoughts are ' well thats because we the customers never know if you'll be open , so we don't go there '. Often i go into town ( which is 20 mins away) for a snack or late lunch n they could be closed anytime after midday. Very annoying
Alot are suttting earlier in Noosa because they can't get staff. There's nowhere for someone on a hospitality wage to live up there. Some cafes and bars have had to outright close because of it. Immigrarion disaster.
Sunnybank, south of the city, already fulfills the so-called night time economy of eateries, and much more reasonable prices and variety. Locals know that but wanna keep it to themselves you see.
Market Square in Sunnybank is about the closest you get to late night dining in Brisbane (at least for Asian cuisines), but about half of the restaurants still close at around 9 on weekdays. Sure, there's places like Haidilao hotpot which closes at midnight, and Fortune Chilli, which closes at 2am, but they're in the minority. There's not enough of them to consider it a place to go for late night dining.
50cents a go now for public transport. Beat that. Well they need to improve transport now as people will use it and find it unsatisfactory- but for 50cents will they demand improvements or tolerate it ?? Sounds like an election thing only and pulled once re-elected. Agree TRADING Hours next !!
Yes, clearly an election move. And it will be interesting to see what impact the price will have on passenger numbers, especially during rush hour. I agree that the system itself really needs improvement, regardless the price of a ticket. This move makes it more affordable, but certainly no more convenient.
First world problems. Expectations can be the demise of your reality. Shop hours are fine, and should be at the discretion of the business owners. Most hospitality businesses aren’t huge money earners and they can easily sink in a short time period. We have just seen this from (CV-19)2020 to now. We currently have record business closures in Queensland. Don’t be concerned about the Olympics in 2032 it’s insignificant against the problems of the homeless, desperate, and financially broke. Be thankful these businesses exist and are having a go as many won’t last especially with what’s coming. It will be wise to get your heart and mind right with god. Harder times are coming. Get your home and life in order. 👍🏼
First world problems - yes, agreed. Time did not permit a deep dive on any of the REAL issues we're facing here, unfortunately. They are on the to do list, though.
My 2 cents on this is: Melb and Syd are dominated by corp culture where everyon starts late and then stays back late, has coffee and goes to restaurants in the city, before heading home. Brisbane is the opposite, there is little established white collar up market corp by comparison. Most people going into the city are working class, they eat lunch at shops/cafe then go home. This is not even unique to inner city, even out in the suburbs you see all the cafes close after lunch, but most will be open extremely early, often 4am or 5am.
I would argue that the northside is better, and you should too because Hamilton and New Farm, with their longer trading hours are both on the northside.
@@craigroaring But the main frustration is not with the regulated hours. It's with the businesses that are exempt from the regulations, which have the same issue either side of the river.
Demand severely cut by stifling legislation. This has resulted in locals being 'socially engineered' into accepting the situation and visitors being frustrated. The big winners are those who sell home coffee machines and barista courses as Adam pointed out. If the demand wasn't there, they wouldn't be selling coffee machines.
@@RobNMelbourne There are no stifling legislations. What you have missing are basics of business knowledge. Understanding the market in which you operate. Using the fences as understanding and appreciating them as barriers to entry for competition. Doing a basic SWOT and understanding the basics of marketing. The public should not have to deal with incompetent business operators creating dodgy jobs and poor quality attempts at operations that ruin decent operations and supply companies.
I'm a born and bred QUEENSLANDER but I was saved from this frustrating stupidity by being transferred with my job to Melbourne. When I lived in Brisbane I new the location of every Night Owls convenience store so I could get essentials after 6pm. In Melb, my local Coles, Woolies and IGA are open until midnight every night. When pubs closed at 10pm in Melb we would then go to dinner at a good restaurant knowing the kitchen would be open for hours more. Now my local pub (The Riversdale in Hawthorn) is open to 4am 365 days of the year, you can get take away meals until 3am and the attached bottle shop (Thirsty Camel) closes at 3am 365 days a year - no noise and no problems. After living and working all around the world, I get so frustrated every time I go back to Brisbane and it's the same on the sunny coast. Trying to get a take away fish n chips or Thai after 8pm is almost impossible. Don't get me started on daylight saving. In Melbourne in summer, I can go sailing for 3 hours after work midweek and then get dinner easily after 9-10pm. The trading hours issue is the major negative factor I hear from interstate and international visitors. It will need to change before the Olympics in 2032 when the world descends on Brisbane. P.S. - northside is so much better. That is why the top suburbs are on the northside.
Living elsewhere definitely brings some perspective. But what makes you say the northside is better, and what makes a suburb a "top suburb" to you? I always appreciate hearing perspectives different to my own.
@@electro_sykes Your statement highlights the problem. Also, you seem to think that your experience is the same for everyone, it is not. A true international city is a 24/7 city catering for all. This is why interstate and international visitors to Brisbane get so frustrated. It is one of the biggest negative talking points in that group of people. Like I said above, what is the world going think when they arrive for the Olympics in 2032.
Absolutely a first-world problem, and I know there are some much more pressing issues people are facing even here in Brisbane. It's just the first thing that popped into my mind (and something I could do in a couple of days without requiring so much time away from my PhD, which has already dragged on for too long), but I am planning to dig into some of the meatier issues in the near future.
@@MrRadialdrift Council should designate areas for them, not just allow them to camp wherever they choose. Should be treated as a zoning issue, similar to parking areas, business areas, etc. We dont just let people park cars wherever they feel like it just because they dont have money to park or there is no garage space available. Park in a designated area or get towed. Having designated public camping areas also allows Council to more effectively deliver services to this population while at the same time cleaning up the image of popular areas of the city like Queen Street Mall, Captain Burke Park, etc. where many of the homeless seem to congregate.
We need to give up on Net Zero delusion to bring down energy prices, inflation and interest rates. There is no "climate crisis" we are literally living in an Ice Age. Cause: net zero delusion Effect: homelessness.
@@BrisbaneChannel Northside much more convienient. No car needed at all. Central station, Roma St, Queen St Mall, Queet St bus terminal, airport, Botanical Gardens (2), Mt Coot-tha, HSW/Riverside, Fortitude Valley nightlife are all right there. Southside seems less convienient, more conjested, smaller network of public transit, etc. I do like Bulimba, however! Why do you like the southside?
This is what is wrong year by year in Brisbane. Too lazy? then how do brisbanian people expect tourism to drive the state. All tourism who comes from overseas the first thing they think is Sydney or Melbourne. Most of them don't no where Brisbane is or they think Brisbane is a small town. Because Brisbane is not doing it correctly... the huge habit of shutting down early stores/restaurants now the city looks like a dead ghost city.. Everyone at home all stuck at home. No one is socialist out there at least the suburbs looks dull or just not exciting other then streets and houses and plenty of cars around instead. But no one walking outside. This is why Brisbane doesn't no how to.... Brisbane people have a habit for years and years that once you go to work.. you work and then go straight home and only go out weekends instead as if this was a schedule habit. You have a beautiful city and suburbs. But everything looks like as if Brisbane hasn't been discovered much at all. And that's true.. Tourism don't no much about Brisbane. there for Sydney knows how to promote it properly and there for Sydney shows more entertainment. Brisbane cant do it because not enough money? Maybe not built a city in the first place if no one has money teh... Because that's where all the money goes to to built things but same time no one around. The other time i went to Brisbane i notice a dozen stores been For sale... For Lease... empty spaces empty stores.. No one wants to buy anything. Not many people around because nothing seems to be entertained around. Restaurants shutting down early... Stores closing so early even at 4pm.... this is why.. why bother go for a walk out there city if there's nothing to do... Might as well be stuck at home in the bedroom and go to bed. Brisbane people try so hard to make Brisbane an entertainment place.. ok sure and fair enough. But it will take 1000s and thousands of people to make this happen and not just yourself showing the world. And it seems Brisbane people get pretty pisst off just because i say these things. Well you can see whats happening. What eles do you expect about brisbane like ive said a number of times. A tourism when they think of Australia they think of Sydney. And if they do visit Brisbane they dont last long staying there because the majority of tourism say its kind of "Boring" they shut the stores and malls and restaurant early. So they plan to move away and go to other bigger cities where there are more intertainment to do. Not just clubs. But restaurants to remain open till late.. stores to remain late... Is brisbane just afraidf to keep things up late or is this some kind of bad habit for most australians. Oh your not getting paid much. Seriously brisbane cant be that poor low class right ? despite a young australian earns 100thousdand dollars per year... thats alot of money. I know your making brisbane the best we can make.. its fair enough. Sure... but it takes everyone to make Brisbane better and not just showing whats on this month in brisbane because each time theres whats on in brisbane its always a convention center showing a theatre show or something in which you MUST pay to see it or pre book it to see it.... not a easy way and not a very free lifestyle. Because its always the same old thing. Pretty lights on trees... as if its a huge event.. wow.... small little events fenced around in a green park place wow you must pay to get in... So much restrictions for just everything and all you have is the so what Brisbane river fire where theres nothing to do but stand there until its dark just to see the damn fireworks and a waste of time waiting for that. Thats why without the intertainment around you make brisbane locals look dull. Not saying u all are just making the image look bad for brisbane. Blame your goverment and the lifestyle as well. Change it for the better becasue i cant imagined seen the Olympic games hosting in brisbane perfectly..... This is not like a slum city... this city has potentials.. but people dont no how to change it for the best for life yet to come.
Like all things in life, no one is going to 'supply,' if there is little to no 'demand'? If demand reaches 'critical mass' then the supply side will respond, economics 101. But I would like to say that just because the rest of the world is doing coffee and 2 am by no means diminishes the City of Brisbane in my eyes. To me, your problem sounds very much like a 'first-world problem' suffered by caffeine drug addicts. You can always get a drink of water.
I agree that it's very much a first world problem. I don't agree that it's about caffeine addiction, however. Lots of people just enjoy coffee, and also the social environment a nice cafe can provide. Just as not everyone that has a beer after work is an acoholic, not every coffee drinker is addicted. It's more the culture around the drinking of coffee that makes it appealing to people like myself.
@@BrisbaneChannel Are you trying to tell me the world isn't full of caffeine addicts? Most people I know who drink coffee tell me that they can't start the day without at least one coffee, often more, not to mention the ones who down copious caffiene filled energy drinks, day and night, as well. If you enjoy a beer after work you are drinking alcohol and if you do it every day it becomes addictive and the same is true of caffeine drinks, including coffee. The people I love are those who tell you they 'don't take drugs', but they smoke cigarettes, drink coffee, down energy drinks all day long and then go home after work to drink a 6 pack of beer. No, they are not addicts, they are just enjoying the 'culture' is what they defensively tell me. In the workplace, I find Coffee drinkers are 'Very Special People,' and if you don't join in, you are labeled as being 'weird or strange and someone who probably can't be trusted'.
I'm not saying no people who drink coffee, or alcohol socially are addicted, but a certain percentage (no idea if it would be large or small) are not. I am in the "not" group. Addiction, whether physical or psychological, means that you can't withdraw from the substance or activity without some negative effects, and a reliance on it as you have described with the people saying they need a coffee to start their day would indicate addiction. But if I go without coffee (which I often do, especially when I'm particularly busy), I don't feel like I can't deal with life, or get headaches, or feel any negative effects. I can admit my own addictions - most of them technology-related (I'd find it much easier going a month without coffee than a month without internet access, checking my TH-cam statistics etc), but coffee is not one. Espresso coffee for me is more a symbol of having climbed to a higher socioeconomic level to the one I grew up in (as here, it used to be very much a beverage enjoyed by middle class and above). When I have non-instant coffee, it's a little celebration for myself, which is the main appeal of it for me. Sure, I like the taste as well, but there's definitely a psychological element to it that causes me to enjoy it. Not that I feel being in a better place financially makes me a better person, I'm proud of my blue-collar foundation, but it's a symbol to myself recognising that I've changed my situation. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with coffee snobs that have given you a negative view of everyone who enjoys coffee, but narrowminded people can be found everywhere. It's probably just an indication of their having not associated with many people outside their own culture (be it ethnic, socioeconomic, habitual or whatever).
@@BrisbaneChannel My comments were intended to be general and not a personal attack, but thanks for sharing your reasoning and confession, I hope you have found it both liberating and fulfilling.
As an white European who lived 17 years in Melbourne and moved 1 year ago to Brisbane, I can see the changes, Melbourne became now a little India and overcrowded with many immigrants from 3rd world countries and I was very surprised with Brisbane to see here so many Asian population, so Brisbane is heading to become a little Asia. However I can see the white population shrinking which means also the quality of services and goods going under bus. It is hard and almost impossible to get value for your money in both cities, generally everything is overpriced in Australia. I am Chef myself and during almost 20 years in Australia, I have been only 3 times in the restaurants as I am able to produce much better quality dish at home for much cheaper money, so there is not need to spend my money for lower quality product. From my live experience and coming from hegemonic country in Europe, I observed that multiculturalism is not able to achieve high quality products as every immigrant has different quality expectations and skills, which explains why Australia must be so over regulated and expensive. I learnt one thing, if you want value for your money, spend your money in overseas not in Australia or do everything what you can by your self, but for this you need to be multi task skilled person!
Listen. You keep promoting things as if it was just around the corner of anyones comfortable chair. The events your saying is mainly pay events or encloser places. its not an open place for free to anyone like you see in real festivals out there. Other then having a bunch of a few lazy tiny festivals in brisbane other then kids face painting. Your city is not really that content place. People have mentioned its a lay back with nice places but not a place where you make it out this is new york when its not.. Many australians prefer to travel overseas rather then staying home in brisbane because they know there isnt much to do in brisbane other then walk about. And also you wouldnt expect to go miles away for a drive to a concert and into a encloser event. The stuff you promotion is fair enough but your adding things like as if it was too easy for everyone to do monthly when its not. You dont expect to go event encloser sites where you have to pay to get in. Big diferences between whats free and in a open placed and at your door step vs the one your saying.
I think you've commented on the wrong video, as there's nothing in this video about events. But I'll still respond. I'm not trying to make Brisbane anything it isn't, and I'm definitely not trying to compare it with cities like New York. But people who say that nothing actually happens here are also wrong. However, a lot of what happens here goes on without a lot of people knowing about it. So the purpose of anything on this channel about events in Brisbane is to highlight what does go on here each month. Many of the events are free, which you'd realise if you actually were a channel member and saw the full lists, and many are outdoors. But your problem, and the source of your negativity, is you are trying to compare Brisbane with other places. Australia is not Europe, so stop saying it's bad because things are different here! It's pretty simple: if it's not the right place for you, don't come here, and don't waste your time watching videos about Brisbane. Find the places that make you happy and stick to those. This channel is not about comparing (most of the time). It's about presenting information that is helpful to people living in or visiting Brisbane. If someone lives in Brisbane, of course they're going to want to know what's happening in their city. And so I really don't see what your problem is. I'm all about focusing on what Brisbane has and what is good about it, rather than on what it doesn't have and what is bad about it. Life is much better if you look for the good rather than the bad. And also, what's your obsession with face painting?!! Honestly there's very few Brisbane events that even have that, you speak as if that's all Brisbane ever does! I don't know if you're the same person who has left very long comments in the past, or if this is just something that people from your part of the world have an obsession with, as every comment I see criticising Brisbane events, ALWAYS mentions face painting. Get over it!
@@BrisbaneChannel The brisbane events are not that good. You know that. First of all sorry i posted this in the wrong video and secondly i am not the other person commenting stuff. I read what people say and also i come up what people say. The events in brisbane isnt that good. You do realise that ? you cant say that because you make this kind of whats on in brisbane becasue your prob getting paid but the truth lies is that brisbane really doesnt have good events anyways. Maybe once in a while they do in the year but other most of the times is just pointless or just boring sort of to speak. Plus you also do realise that people living in brisbane dont always bothered with the whats on in brisbane you do know that right ? you might be young but im older then you there for the events dont bother me yet.. because there's nothing good about it. If theres something good then i check it out but usually 90% of all times there's nothing interesting other then promoting events to make it sound like there's stuff happening which is happening but nothing interesting other then who ever cares to go check it out i suppose. But the majority of many people living in brisbane wouldnt careless about the events. Also you have not lived in brisbane all your life there for i understand you only been here for a few years.. so there for you make it feel like its all fresh and great events and so on. ok fair enough. But try live all your live in brisbane and there will be a time when you do realise that you couldnt be bothered with whats on in brisbane every month. Its such a shame theres nothing good about it. For you it might sound wow its all fun and excitement but try live all your life here and you will understand what i mean. People leave and wants to go overseas instead. Christmas... easter... everything in brisbane is just not big no christmas lights other then just a tree and nothing else. Other events and its just boring and or too expensive. The ekka is just as bad as for little kids yet i dont understand why families would bother spenting over 100 bucks with kids to enter the ekka when all you see is the same street food over there and around the corner same food as the other street. Perhaps if your new and a visitor to brisbane all this might be an interest for them. Not really for people living all thier lifes in brisbane. No offence of anything. Keep the work you do. But the truth is that knowadays you can simply get whats on in brisbane on anything posters.... newsreaders... websites obviously for tourism and brisbane city council whats on events and so on. On tv and adverts..... So your channel on youtube is just 1 small channel between 100s other dozen sites where they show the Whats on in brisbane. I know you cant control that and i bet you wish u where the first to do all this but theres so much stuff today that theres too many websites where they promote things the same way as you and i beleive other local brisbane youtubers are doing similar as yours.. so theres competitor wars but thats ok. no one is perfect after all. The while event whats on just gets some what boring over time. im sure you might get bored with it. But it will hit on you when it does come to been tired of doing this channel because theres too many websites and people doing the same as you. I guess thats how life is with any other subjects on youtube and else where. Which ever way is done! But yes for my opinion brisbane events is just boring the majority and yes THE Majority of the locals there in brisbane prefer to travel to big cities like New york. Big difgerences. then you come back to brisbane go to sleep... work make money and plan your next trip. For me events in brisbane is boring for you it might not be so boring because you only bloody been living in brisbane only a short time (and it might be new stuff for you never seen things like that in your life so far since your only young) trust me i know and this will effect you some way or another as you age doesnt matter if your 40 or 50 tomorrow.... you never lived all your life here aniways. If you where here all your life and at age 40 you will feel the reason what im saying. Anyways all the best and thank you for listerning.
F--K YES!!!
Queenslander born and bred, but I lived down in Victoria (not even Melbourne, just a regional town with a population of about 70,000) for three and half years, and difference in the trading hours was a revelation to me. To be able to come off an evening shift, and still have an hour or two to pick up grocery essentials... or have a proper meal (as opposed to Maccas) after an evening at the cinema... it makes such a difference.
Yes. You really question the whole "new world city" thing when even country towns have better trading hours (at least those in other states).
@@BrisbaneChannel Brisbane I feel has more of a morning personnality, unlike the southern states
You are correct about population density. The more packed a city is, the longer the business hours. So as the cost of living in Sydney and Melbourne continues to rise, more people will eventually move to Brisbane, and only then will the hours change.
There's no denying that having a larger pool of potential customers does open up options for local businesses, but I think there's more to it than that, though. I do think the cultural habits the extra population brings with it is a big part of it. I think it's not just about having more people, but about having people with diverse cultures and lifestyle goals.
@@BrisbaneChannel Economics tends to shape cultural habits. If you look at the most densely populated cities in the world, they all have shops, cafes, and restaurants that run late into the evening and even up to 24 hours. New York, Paris, Manila,Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Singapore are all in different countries and have different cultures but they're all cities that never sleep. And because population migration tends to flow from bigger cities to smaller cities, where people from the bigger cities like yourself prefer longer trading hours and demand it, the competition among businesses would eventually provide for them.
I agree we need cafes at least till 3:30pm even if they opened at 7am and some from 6:30 till 3:30 pm then restaurants at least till 9:00pm at the start of the week then from Thursday at least 10:00 10:30 pm at night food shops at least 6 till 8 or 9pm at night maybe during the week 6 or 7am till 8pm then from Thursday Friday Saturday till 9pm shops 8:30am till till 5pm then late night till 9pm on Thursday then Friday till 6pm and Saturday 5:30pm and Sunday 10am till 3pm I also think qld should try daylight saving from Gold Coast to Harvy Bay it should not be light at 4:30am it should be still dark know wonder people are awake at 4am and going to bed at 8pm we should go an hour ahead of Sydney and Melbourne so instead of an hour move 2 hour ahead or do an hour ahead and so we are all the same time it should not be light at 4:30 it should be light at 5:30 or 6:30
HELL YES!!!
My family and I were quite shocked by the coffee culture here in Brisbane. Also the varieties or lack their of. Dutch Vienna's are super rare here
I can't say I even know what's in that. I think we've stuck to the Italian side of coffee appreciation mostly here in Aus in general.
Great video! This is one of the reasons why Belissimo Coffee on Wandoo Street in Fortitude Valley is my favourite - they serve delicious coffee until 6pm everyday. They have my loyalty because of this!
It's a bonus that their coffee is pretty good, too.
As a foreigner, I also find that frustrating. Just yesterday we went to a "German" restaurant just to find out they close between 2 and 5 pm. It was 2:30 pm, a perfect viable time to have lunch for several reasons, like if people couldn't have lunch a little bit late on a Saturday afternoon :/
I live in the CBD, and I am also frustrated when places like Boost are closed around 6 pm even in areas like South Bank. Not even the touristic places extend their trading hours. I guess starting by those places should be a good transition at first, since you'll find the biggest amount of foreigners demanding those services and given that Queenslanders have already given up.
You are in a country the size of the USA with a population of one single European city spread across. That is basic scale. We do not have enough scale to operate the same as a European city. It is basic common sense. To make a profit we have to reduce our overheads when the demand is at the point at which creating supply is profitable.
Funnily enough, I work across the road from one of the two 24/7 trading restaurants/cafes you mentioned. I work 10am to 6pm (Mon - Fri) and find it sooooooo so frustrating that most if not ALL cafes within the area close or are closing up by 2pm. 2pm is my allotted lunch break time to fit in my shift and around other work colleagues' breaks, we have a sushi shop around the corner that trades 10:30am to 2:30pm. By the time I get there just after 2pm, they have sold out and are typically in the process of cleaning up and packing down the shop which is always a huge disappointment to me. By 3:30-4pm, I'm at that point where I'd love a proper cafe quality, barista-made coffee, but by then.. The cafes have all but closed and it just drives me nuts!! Even the work day trends for Brisbane seem to be that most employees favour the early early morning starts of 6-7am and finish by 2-3pm. I know this first hand as for myself in the 10-6 spot in my work place.. No one else within my organisation wants to do the 10-6 shift and it becomes very difficult to back fill my spot when I'm sick or on holiday. And again this comes down to that cultural aspect within Brisbane. Every adult wants/needs to be home by 3-4pm at the same time as the kids getting home from school.. Dinners early and then to bed early for that early start the next day again.
I think that confirms the cultural differences of people from different Aussie cities. I look at your comment and think "10-6 would be great", at least compared to starting at 7 or 8, which would be my idea of hell (actually fixed hours are my idea of hell, wherever in the day they sit), but I didn't grow up with this city's culture. It's really hard for me to get my head around why people would WANT to start their day early, and I definitely understand the frustration of trying to deal with businesses that run with hours and availability based on the habits of only one group. But it's also understandable given that that group seems to be the vast majority, and with our low population density, I guess they don't have the luxury of being able to cater to the minority as well when the costs of running everything keep rising. Doesn't make it any less annoying, though.
Leicester, UK here. A city of approximately 300k people, so much smaller than Brisbane, but only around 30 miles away from Nottingham and Derby (500k people?) And 40 miles from Birmingham (2mln people). Many restaurants around here don't even open till 5pm! And most of them close around 11pm but some at 1am! Bare in mind that due to "summer time" and "winter time" difference, our day light hours vary greatly over the year - we are much further away from equator than Brisbane - in December sunset is at 3.40pm, while in June and July it is at 9.35pm! Most people I know don't go to sleep before midnight! Thus certainly influences our habits. That saying I'm more if a morning person! In Mediterranean (Morocco, Spain, Portugal etc) so many people sit in cafes at 7am - never seen that in the UK! We just do t have warm enough weather to want to wake up early and sit outside while having coffee in the sunshine 😢
Yes, local habits certainly affect things. It would be fine if Brisbane wasn't trying to position itself as a "new world city". It's still very much a city made for long-term locals. But we've had a lot of migration from other Australian cities over the last few years, and so the population is rapidly changing, along with the culture. Personally, I feel it's both good and bad, as there's a certain charm to Brisbane and its traditional culture, but a change to embrace a more diverse range of cultures would certainly be welcomed by me!
@@BrisbaneChannel god you would get a lot of business if you set up a coffee shop that actually stayed open after 3pm
I think the sunlight has a lot to do with it in Brisbane. We don't have daylight savings either like the southern states. Which means in summer the sun rises at 4.30am and sets at the latest 7.30pm. Winter sun sets at 5pm.
Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne have 9pm or so sunsets in summer.
@@alekk6956 I think that would make me wake up early too! Tbh in summer I wake up at 5am anyway 🤪 and hour sunrise in summer is around 4.30am as well. That's the most productive part od the day!
some nice liquid drum n bass there, I also agree that later opening hours would be nicer, credit to cafe63 who are open to 8pm most nights
I agonise over the music every time, so glad you liked it! I had to take the drum track down a little, though, as it was a bit distracting to work as a background track otherwise.
It's a sad state of affairs when a cafe being open to 8 is a big deal!
I just wish Brisbane would WAKE UP TO ITSELF in general!!! It's a major city yet everything is too slow...too casual and too incompetent! There's no 'professionalism'. Things like buses either get to a stop too late, too early (then departing before the scheduled time), or just not at all! People in customer service can be really short and discourteous without any effort to be civil or friendly. Amenities, services, roads, buildings etc are ALL inadequate, old and should've been upgraded, expanded, remodeled about 30 years ago!! I couldn't possibly guess the amount of times I've slapped my palm on my forehead and said to myself, "Oh For F#ck's Sake Brisbane!!!" in sheer disbelief, frustration or anger! The whole city just feels like it's refusing to become what it should be and wants to stay in the 1980's! And people's attitudes are exactly the same!
Exactly, Young people will never UNDERSTAND how we people mid age and olders have seen brisbane for real. The shops closed too early. Then the city becomes like a empty place and the city becomes really boring as well the suburbs becomes boring. Too many cars but no people in the streets for a walk or the city been again empty. Restaurants almost all of them or at least most of them are already closed by 6pm and how ridiculously that a restaurant would shut the doors by that time when its a restaurant that was meant to be open day and night and not just close the doors by 6pm just because the other fashionable clothing department stores closed the doors. Makes no sense. Then southbank nothing much is then open or some are closed to dine in at night. There is not enough things to do other then a lazy brisbane other then just houses and houses and nothing else around brisbane. Once we thought Brisbane was starting to catch up from the year 1988. But its always and always been lame in brisbane ever since.. its 2024 and yet it feels like it was the 80s and 90s and and so on and still no change of attitudes across brisbane and i wonder why nothing is open late. And all you get is brisbane been an encloser where australians are not very outgoing people nor social people. I mean if things where to stay open late then people will be out going and social people but everyone is at home theres nothing to do in the suburbs and nothing to do in the city. But then you have idiots like young people making it out that there is the beach... and the clubs to go in. But the beach and the pay events has NOTHING to do with daily LIFE across brisbane. They dont understand how we say things. You have the bloody fucxking Olympic games soon and yet brisbane is been short lived. They dont no what they want and also the shopps and restaurants are all closed. Then expect to bring millions of tourist in just 1 week along during the Olympic games and all the million tourist will tell you brisbane is boring nothing is open at night and now every tourist has to stay indoors in thier hotel room to watch tv instead. What sort of rubish is this... The australian goverment has a weird attitude traditionally... Wake up brisbane the time is ticking!
You nailed the missing 'professionalism' right on the head. As an outsider who moved to Brisbane I often just blame this as me trying to bring my outside snobby mentality here but if I like it here enough to move I should try to embrace it. However I have noticed that everywhere, even at banks for example, you find them less organised, less professional then other states. This takes some getting use to but I've accepted it, I would not go back to the stress of other states.
Lock at what lockout laws and subsequent overreach did to trading hours everywhere.
The limited hours became part of the culture to nobodies benefit.
Covid has slowed that recovery more but there is some increased hours at least in the inner city areas.
It's nice to be part of this 'challenge' mate!
Good to have you on board, too. Took a quick look at yours, but need to come back to it when I can give it the full ten minutes' view it deserves.
@@BrisbaneChannel Cheers...I don't plan on removing it, so when you get time
Nice video. Brisbane’s also home to the Bottle-o. Since you can’t by grog at the supermarket. There was also a time when there were no pokies here.!
Adam, We moved here from Canada and the one thing we find frustrating is the closure of the malls, home goods, hardware stores etc through the week at 5pm. Apart from Thursday??? Why not Friday???. When at work you can't go and pick stuff up. When you are done work, you can't pick stuff up. Maybe we were just spoiled. All is good though, we still are loving Brissy.
Glad you're still loving it here. But yes, I often wonder how I'd get things done if I worked regular hours. I know a lot of people struggle to deal with banks and post offices here due to that very issue.
In Melbourne trading hours stores 9am until 9pm on both Thursdays and Fridays compares to the rest of Oz only on Thursdays
Other people have lives as well. You need to organise yourself and fit into the culture you are in.
Chicagoan here and have lived in Bris ten plus years (and love it btw)...thank you for speaking out about the limited hours...it's so true. I definitely think there's a cultural aspect to this...folks definitely are inside much earlier here than almost any major city In Australia, but I also wonder whether this is a lack of entrepreneurship? For example, we have so few bookstores--why not combine a bookstore and coffeeshop and keep it open till (gasp) 11PM? We need more third places for people to relax and unwind, talk, read, think.
Sounds like a great idea, honestly!
I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but Tarragindi now has "Vaiola" cafe on Andrew Avenue, which opens much later than most cafes.
Thanks for the info, I'll add it to the list. There's quite a few out there, but they are few and far between.
Option 3: Go for a cruise down the Goldy and find a cafe open later at Surfers, Broadbeach etc
If you could call the drive down the motorway "a cruise", could be worth considering. A crawl on the other hand...
@@BrisbaneChannel 😂👍🏼
@@BrisbaneChannel even the train can sometimes be quicker. But its hard to get to certain spots without a car.
When I lived in Brisbane this was genuinely a annoying problem. But i think you hit the nail with why it is like that. until Brissy get a population increase and a rise in foot traffic we will probably not see a change. And for merchants, that's the formula.
The biggest trading hours issue I had with Brisbane was Coles and Woolies closing at 5pm on Saturdays, it meant you really had to plan ahead before heading to a BBQ on the weekend. Thankfully that seems to have changed recently, with my local Coles (Toowong) open till 9pm on Saturdays now.
Yes, I think it changed around 2016 or 2017. When I first moved to Brisbane in 2014, my wife and I were caught off guard by it on the night we moved into our first unit. We spent the day at Ikea shopping for furniture, got back around 4pm (it was a Sunday) and went to get some food for dinner at the Coles in Fairfield Gardens only to find it had already closed. Neither of us could believe it! I had half a packet of chips in my backpack, and that was our dinner that night. If I remember correctly, that particular Coles was open from 10am to 4pm on Sundays, and 9am to 6pm on Saturdays. The extra few hours on the weekend were very welcome when they came!
Close by 6pm on Sundays. What a joke. Here Melb longer 10pm
@@jasonwright9405 melbourne is a nightowl city. In Brissy, on the other hand, we are more like early birds.
Will need to get a review done , then an independent review then review the review then open it to a vote then review the vote then vote that the vote was the right vote then review the vote then independently review that the vote review was reviewed correct then ask 3 independent votes to review.
#toohardbasket
If I could change something about Brisbane, it would be way more than just 1 thing
What would those things be?
@@BrisbaneChannel Many different things , but most notably, a circular route of Brisbane Metro that links Mt. Cootha to Jindalee, Forest Lake, Sunnybank, Mt. Gravatt, Carindale, Hamilton, Brisbane Airport, Chermside, Mitchelton, then back to Mt. Cootha. Many roads will need upgrades with bus lanes and many new Busway corridors would need to be built, particully along the western freeway, the Gateway and the North West corridor, but it would be really good at connecting the suburbs without the need to go into the city. They already have the Great Circle bus route, but its infrequent and slow, with many stops, but this would be an expansion and improvement to that and a circular metro would be more frequent and direct. That said, Hopefully, with metro freeing up the busways, some buses can be freed up for better circular routes. Also as a northside resident, I want some proper congestion busting solutions other than just another toll tunnel. Also, redevelopment where Myer used to be. I think Uptown should open up more onto Elizabeth street and also maybe unlock the rooftop for dining. And give something for people to do thats not too expensive and something other than shopping. Something for all ages. Dopamine land is a start but they will need to do more than that to lure people back in. I also think Queen Street Mall will become pretty dead once Queens wharf opens, as a lot of stores will relocate there or to the future Dexus Development where Eagle Street pier used to be. The mall is a bit boring and they need to do more than just remove 2 restaurants. I think we are reaching the time where we need to repave it again and change a lot of features. The only thing that should not be touched is that Hungry Jacks. Also wish Victoria park went ahead but with 80, 000 seats and development with apartments and retail be good above Albion and will provide alternative for Toombul which closed due to the 2022 floods
@@BrisbaneChannel A proper Circular rail loop like what Melbourne is creating, that will link Jindalee, Browns Plains, Logan, Carindale, Hamilton, Chermside. An Olympics plan that will actually have a legacy, a revamp of Queen Street Mall and Uptown Redevelopment, Sunshine Coast rail but beyond Caloundra and Maroochydore to Noosa (right now there isn't much beyond Maroochydore but once Caloundra are fills up, thats where the next lots of development will be), Capalaba Metro, Metro to Bracken Ridge, Rail on the Northwest corridor, rail to Caboolture West, Rail extension to Coolangatta, redevelopment of area surrounding new cruise terminal, an automated pod system like what they have at London heathrow linking the outer car parks, DFO, and Cruise Terminal to the Domestic and International terminals at Brisbane Airport. I would like to see a University around Chermside or maybe even where Toombul shopping centre was but as a floodproof precinct. This is just SEQ. If we want to go state wide, then I would also like to see more investment in regional Queensland and rural infrastructure, as it will help with logistics and transport. Despite a lower population, regional infrastructure is crucial for the economy. It can also help with national defence. Even though infntry units of the military can move in jut about any conditions, the better the transport infrastructure, the better and quicker they can get to a specific place, so to a degree, good infrastructure can also be good for national security of this wonderful country that I am greatful to be brought up in. But Regional infrastructure and infrastructure in general is very valuable lifeline for the economy, especially when it comes to transport and logistics. Thats another reason I strongly support Public Transport. Because not only does it mean you no longer need to fork out the expenses of owning a car or even having to use it all the time, but also because less congestion is good for transport and logistics like trucking and construction workers, like tradies, who actually need a vehicle to work. And with a population boom in Brisbane, its really crucial that we start doing this. But anyway, thats enough waffle from me, after taking 30 minutes of my life to type this up, and now I am tired from a big busy monday, so good night. Have a nice rest of your day and stay safe.
My sister moved back to Brisbane 2 years ago after living and working more than 20 years in Hong Kong and she still see Brisbane being too slow, too boring and dead (when compare to HK) ! There is not much to do after 7 pm and if you want to have coffee, desert so that you continue your chat with friends etc, sorry, your home is the only place to do that ! At least Kmart at Sunnybank open till 9 pm every day but that's about it after you have dinner near by. Brisbane to host the Olympics and show the world ??? We seriously sneeze at it ! Show what ???
Yes, Brisbane and HK are completely different worlds! I was in shock when I saw how early even the restaurants in Market Square at Sunnybank closed.
@@BrisbaneChannel That's why my sister still miss Asia, not just HK ! The societies in Asia are so much more lively. We went to Sydney for a short break and it was way more hustling and bustling than Brisbane, public transport is so good you can go so many places even late at night, no way you can do that in Brisbane !!!
@@BrisbaneChannel lets be honest though. Places like Hong Kong, Melbourne, Singapore and all that are Nightlife Cities. Brisbane on the other hand is one of those morning-like cities, with a more natural morning feel.
Comparing Brissy to HK isn't fair comparison imo. Australia itself is a laid back gigantic island and Brisbane and Queensland is even more laid back. I personally love the fact that it's laid back.
@@shashinweeratunga841 HK is very entertainment. I cant imagined Brisdbane been like that. Brisbane so beautiful but far too dull. its just go to work.. and then go home and sleep.... not very outdoor socials like Europeans do or Americans. But anyways thats whats missing for brisbane. Even a tourism dont no about brisbane because they think brisbane is tiny and not much to do and when they do visit brisbane they dont last long because they know everything close early and not much else to do at night and less people out there. So its why Sydney and Melbourne always wins.. If Brisbane wants to win this for future reference they better speed up because i cant imagined seen the Olympic games been made correctly for brisbane.. its such a shame.... theyw here doing so well since 1988... but its still missing big points.... empty city.... everything closing late.... no one goes out and only you think a weekend only to go out and nothing else. How do they expect to have brisbaner the best?> its already the best but its missing many factors which will drive people away. its no wonder why there's not many people out there in the city/. And the city is not just a office zone. Think about it. Because then you have suburbs and its just street by street and houses by houses but no free intertainment in the streets and nothing like that.
haha very true Adam. Have had my auntie come visit and she was dumbfounded when we went to a coffee shop but it was just closing at 4pm. Completely the opposite to Europe when you go out for coffee and cake at 10pm!
Yes, I've been here 10 years, and I still get caught off guard sometimes. I guess I'm not as smart as I think I am if I haven't adapted by now!
Yes. Now go back and look at the population density. There's your trouble. Amazing the lack of critical thinking in these threads.
@@zazzleman shes from a town with a population of 100k 😂
@@WalkingandTalkingAussieGirl To be fair, though, he was referring to the population density, which is not really relevant to the population itself. More about the relationship between the population and the area it fills. Brisbane does have an exceptionally low population density that I imagine is not the case in your aunt's town.
@@BrisbaneChannel for sure that is true but ive been there and people are not living on top of each other. i think it is just cultural to open later and close later whereas aussies are in bed usually by that time!
It certainly is cultural. Sydney also has way too many cafes that close at 2 or 3pm, even when plenty of people are still hanging around.
Nice video Adam. I just want to point out though that both New Farm and Hamilton are on the North side. I’ll let you draw your own conclusion from that ;)
Haha. A few hours' extra supermarket shopping is not enough to balance out all the things I would lose if I moved northside!
@@BrisbaneChannel If only the shopping centres are open until midnight every night like they are during christmas. Or at least until 10pm every night would be a start
Living in Brisbane in the 90s it used to drive me crazy - at so many cafes you had to order lunch before 1pm - an hour before they shut their kitchens. Now 25-30 years later it sounds like nothing's changed - I am thinking of moving back but this is one of my concerns.
The legislated hours have improved slightly, but I suspect not a lot has changed apart from that.
Adam, just have to look at BNE airport the arrivals and departures of late when you see Sydney airport compared to BNE. What frustrates me currently is the internatiinal arrivals hardly any not big planes Brisbane needs something like a Grand Opera house building, and iconic Sydney Style coat hanger bridge i dont know what Sydneys got. Ever since covid 19 Sydneys night life and city has changed but its so popular perhaps it was Sydney 2000 Olympics, perhaps Brisbane having 2032 has to look to Sydney 2000. Perhaps Brisbane is just a tool to be used to get to Gold coast. With out a curfew Brisbane should have the advantage of getting overnight planes from international locations Brisbane the Doha of Australia. I hope and pray Brisbane wakes up quick smart soon we can be that first destination internationals visitors want to land at before Sydney and Melbourne, perhaps start by having a Air train that runs 24/7 unfortunately that means an automated driverless shuttle train but this is what frustrates me about Brisbane i want to Brisbane laid back but i want it to be the destination for Big heavy planes at the moment closing early turning-off the burners at 8pm doesnt help. Go Northside!
It's the same on the Gold Coast, which is strange because it is international tourist destination.
Thats why sunnybank always has sth open at late hours. In Beijing, if im hungry at 2 am, i can just eat whatever i feel like knowing they are all still open.
I'm still shocked by how early the restaurants in Market Square at Sunnybank close, though!
I've said this before on your channel, in order to open later, businesses with money to burn need to take the first steps in opening & losing money, to start a cultural shift. The market follows demand, & the demand isnt there, because like you say, we're a morning city. On the upside, if you're a tradie & you want a coffee at 5am, there are places you can get one, & then at 6am practically every cafe is open or opening.
The only way forward in this regard is a cultural shift & that takes years & a multi-pronged effort.
Admittedly, I'm a Brisbaneite who rarely wants to buy a coffee after 3pm. But when i do, i am content with a Maccas iced coffee, simply because i know my options are limited & accept that. Im just glad we have the option of Maccas. & Starbucks but i cant drink that dunny water. Cafe 63 or whatever it is, thats open late in a lot of locations.
While it would be nice for us to get a little more "big city", at the same time i wish people would stop being angry that we aren't. We have our own way, the Brisbane way, & if you visit or move here & hate it, just go somewhere better suited to your lifestyle. The lifestyle is the reason that after a year in Sydney i came scurrying back home to Brisbane where i could relax. All Aussie cities have something specific to offer. I actuslly found SA to be waaaaay more boring than Brissy. I haven't been to Perth but it looks boring.
Firstly I'd get the southside to get over it, the entire state matters as much as eachother.
Secondly you have Woodridge and Beenleigh. You don't get to brag. We only have Caboolture and honestly its not that bad.
And finally 7-11 flat white is some of the best bang for your buck coffee around
I can overlook the north vs south bit, but 7-11 coffee?!! Sure it's cheap, but honestly, the only way it could be considered good value for money would be if they paid you to drink it! If you're just after a caffeine hit, sure, that's a good solution. But if you want to enjoy the taste, well...
@@BrisbaneChannel 711 are popping up everywhere
Yes it’s so frustrating! Especially fish & chip shops all closing at 7pm…even on weekends.
Oh, I forgot about that! I've gone for fish and chips at my local place around 7:30 and been dumbfounded by the fact that they've already closed. Thankfully their food has gone downhill (and their prices in the opposite direction) over the last year or so, so I don't feel so bad about missing out.
Wth 🤦♂️ here by 8/8:30
I have expressed the same frustration to my aussie coworkers over and over. Seems like the solution is to move to a bigger city where expenses are higher too.
I think sometimes ignorance is bliss. For people who grew up here in Brisbane and never lived elsewhere, this is all they know, and they can be fully content. But once people have experience of life that continues later in the day (either by coming from other cities, or spending years in them), it's much harder to be happy with the very limited hours.
@@BrisbaneChannel Brisbane is becoming a migrant city now tho. The number of times my international friends complain about being bored due to nothing much open is countless. Sunnybank does have some restaurants open till midnight or 2am as far as I know. That is good enough considering this is Brisbane.
@BrisbaneChannel You're RIGHT! It IS ridiculous that so many places close in the afternoon and even at night! I remember back when I used to frequent areas, in and out of the city, and can't recall any such stupidity! Maybe it's been since the whole 'you know what' 4+ years ago, that changed everything, or has it been that way for even longer, and I just didn't notice?
I love our trading hours and hope they don't change. I also appreciate your opinion.
Thanks for saying so. What is it you like about the existing hours?
@@BrisbaneChannel It's the lifestyle. If you didn't remember to buy before the shops close, you probably didn't need it that badly. If you do need it that badly, there is always a shop open somewhere, you'll just pay through the nose.
Love your work bro, keep it up
Cheers!
Brisbane is a bit more of a morning city. Isn't great for me as a nightowl, but hey, sometimes you gotta get up early in the morning and do what you need to do
Honestly, if this is your biggest gripe, then Bris has done pretty well. Try Birmingham in the UK with half the population of Bris but with twice as much traffic, more expensive & less well ran public transport, & 4 million times the crime rate. But good news! The shops are open later.
I guess you want the city to be tip top in every requirement as a citizen which is fair enough, I just consider the problem to be very first world/minimal compared to other cities of the world. (Northside is better, imo, less industrial.)
I absolutely agree. However we do have a pretty serious housing crisis at the moment, and I admit I feel pretty silly choosing this as the thing I would change. I am planning a fairly in-depth video looking at that issue, but for this challenge, I didn't have the time resources to do a topic like that justice.
You are conflating the issues. Birmingham being a dump has nothing to do with trading hours, it's because it has been very badly mismanaged by vested interests over a long time and failed to adapt to economic change. The result is it has one of the poorest economies in the UK and unemployment is way above the UK and Midlands average leading to the high crime rate.
@@BrisbaneChannel yeah I get where you're coming from. thanks for reply. Big fan of your channel keep up the good work
I dont think it's a big issue as far as supermarkets are concerned. If you can't find a way to get groceries between 7am and 9pm 6 days a week and before 6pm on Sunday, then something is pretty wrong. And if you really can't do it, there's plenty of IGAs around.
But yeah, we absolutely need to work on the cafe/restaurant times. I'm in Coorparoo and there's a smattering of cafes closing at 4 and 5pm, so things might be looking up.
They are definitely beginning to pop up, so it's moving in the right direction.
Yep. You got it!
Dome cafes in Perth are opened past 4pm. Most of them are opened till 7pm and a few even till 9pm. Coles and WW are opened till 9pm weekdays and on certain public holidays they are opened as well. There are Spud Shed stores that are sized like a Coles or WW and they open 24/7! They are a huge independent grocery store chain in Perth. I lived in Perth for more than 2 decades before moving to Brisbane for work and yes I agree, the opening hours of the shops here in Brisbane are not reflective of what a big city should be.
Yeah, people say it’s bad in Perth but it’s better than even Brisbane 😂
Cafes close early, yep, because we’re up at 5am - no daylight saving! Ugh. I would love some k-fried chicken at 11pm (about twice a year), but I’m old.
When I first moved here it was very weird for me to get used to the trading hours but I do have to disagree that Brisbane is a morning people city because it has been incredibly difficult for me to find any place near me that is open before 7am. What makes it worse is that every job I've worked has seemed to have trading hours that are about half an hour or so before I start and after I start which makes it impossible to do practically anything on the weekdays, thus my weekends are packed with chores.
I think a lot of people share that challenge with you. And then there's the things you need to do at the places that don't even open on weekends...
Brisbane is at an extreme end of our timezone and arguably 'should' be GMT+11. If you think of time relative to when the sun rises in summer I don't think this issue is as bad as it seems and comparing clock times directly to other cities is a bit of an apples and oranges situation.
When I moved from Sydney I was warned that basically coffee finished at 2pm and a ‘late’ dinner ended by 9pm. It still hurts.😢
If Brisbane really wants to be seen as a global city then it needs to move with the times starting with those Category 1 and 2 designations. Making all of Brisbane Category 1 would be a start.
I know your pain and I agree. That indeed would be a good starting point.
I truly wonder why New Farm and Hamilton were designated that way in the first place. Since they're also among the most affluent suburbs in Brisbane, I wonder if there were some political dealings behind the scenes that got them that categorisation, rather than them truly being "tourism locations". Surely there's more tourists trying to shop in the CBD than in New Farm and Hamilton!
Ridiculous how early things close.
Australia in general is horrible in this regard. The fact that stores are closing at 5:30pm in the evening most nights is crazy. In Israel where I am originally from, 30 years ago small mum and dad stores in say a quiet street would close at 7 usually, but malls etc would only close at around 9 or 10, and some stores stayed open until midnight. And thats in a religious country where normally stores are closed from mid friday until saturday night.. where at around 6-7pm you would have all the stores open again until 10pm-11pm.
In NSW (I lived in Sydney for a few years) supermarkets are open until midnight. thats WAY better than QLD for sure. But even Bondi Junction !! stores are closing at 6PM.
How are people buying stuff during the week!? and why is Big W which is basically KMart by a different company closes in brisbane with the rest of the stores but KMart of all stores can stay open until so late? then everyone is shocked that Kmart makes so much money... there's nowhere else to go and buy cloths etc after 5:30... when most people finish work.
It’s supply and demand. Population density is also very low compared to other countries.
Landed at Brisbane airport at 11pm. Nothing open at all. Headed for the train; No trains until tomorrow but flights go all night long. Great for Uber.
I know. It's crazy that you can't even take a train to the airport in time if you have an early flight out as well!
Even the Perth airport train runs until 1 am 😅
Retailer shops don’t need to open till after 10 am and can close at 8 pm
Restaurants don’t open at lunch
Cafes who cares, you can get that at home or work
Ah yes, the thriving tourist destinations of New Farm and Hamilton!
I always wonder how they got designated as such. The fact that they're among the city's most expensive suburbs makes me wonder if there's people living there that have influence and connections with key decision makers. Or maybe not residents, but property developers with interests in those suburbs or something like that.
Oh yeah I was walking around Paris at like 10.30pm one evening and it was alive with street cafes people everywhere it was wonderful. Come on Brisburn 🥵
Sadly, Brissie's local population has not reached the level of cultural diversity to accommodate that kind of thing.
It's a way of work life balance up here and I don't think it should change at all. Lived in 24hr cities before and they're fun when your'e young but growing families like to settle down in early afternoon. It's bit strange when you first move to QLD but understand why soon enough, very pleasant.
I can see the appeal to some of that, but I feel that having options is never a bad thing. If there are more things open at certain times, nobody is forcing people to take advantage of that. You can still just spend time with the family at home, but at least those that live different lifestyles can have options as well. I feel that Brisbane is still the kind of place that suits a certain demographic, and has limited interest in creating a place for people outside of that. But it's also understandable, as there's not the population density to make facilitating a broader range of lifestyle options practical or realistic. But I guess I just wish Brisbane wouldn't kid itself about what kind of city it is. There's definitely a charm and appeal to what it is, but a "new world city" it is not.
i grew up in Brisbane and the sunshine coast , and this never used to be a problem. but it now is for sure . I live at Noosa now and it's so frustrating to not be able to get even a hamburger after 2 pm. or a coffee after 2.30 pm .it's seems to be getting worse too. It's catching on more and more, cafe's are closing early . I can get a take away coffee at the bakery and at the petrol station , it seems everyone is selling coffee these days. But no cafe's in the afternoon , and they all say the same thing. ' we don't make any money after 2 pm.' . And my thoughts are ' well thats because we the customers never know if you'll be open , so we don't go there '. Often i go into town ( which is 20 mins away) for a snack or late lunch n they could be closed anytime after midday. Very annoying
Alot are suttting earlier in Noosa because they can't get staff. There's nowhere for someone on a hospitality wage to live up there. Some cafes and bars have had to outright close because of it. Immigrarion disaster.
@pauldiezel4584 That explains a lot of what @sweetdolphinmarine222 has observed. Thanks for sharing. It's a sad state of affairs!
Sunnybank, south of the city, already fulfills the so-called night time economy of eateries, and much more reasonable prices and variety.
Locals know that but wanna keep it to themselves you see.
Market Square in Sunnybank is about the closest you get to late night dining in Brisbane (at least for Asian cuisines), but about half of the restaurants still close at around 9 on weekdays. Sure, there's places like Haidilao hotpot which closes at midnight, and Fortune Chilli, which closes at 2am, but they're in the minority. There's not enough of them to consider it a place to go for late night dining.
0:23 what music is that from epidemic sound?
It's "Last Humans on Earth" by Dream Cave.
Yeah , At least sort it even Temporarily for when we host the Olympics. How Embarrassment. 🤣🤣
Haha
preach
I'm more concerned about places not opening early enough! 🤣
Haha.
thumbs up 👍🏻 number 144
50cents a go now for public transport. Beat that. Well they need to improve transport now as people will use it and find it unsatisfactory- but for 50cents will they demand improvements or tolerate it ??
Sounds like an election thing only and pulled once re-elected.
Agree TRADING Hours next !!
Yes, clearly an election move. And it will be interesting to see what impact the price will have on passenger numbers, especially during rush hour. I agree that the system itself really needs improvement, regardless the price of a ticket. This move makes it more affordable, but certainly no more convenient.
First world problems.
Expectations can be the demise of your reality. Shop hours are fine, and should be at the discretion of the business owners. Most hospitality businesses aren’t huge money earners and they can easily sink in a short time period. We have just seen this from (CV-19)2020 to now. We currently have record business closures in Queensland.
Don’t be concerned about the Olympics in 2032 it’s insignificant against the problems of the homeless, desperate, and financially broke.
Be thankful these businesses exist and are having a go as many won’t last especially with what’s coming.
It will be wise to get your heart and mind right with god. Harder times are coming. Get your home and life in order. 👍🏼
First world problems - yes, agreed. Time did not permit a deep dive on any of the REAL issues we're facing here, unfortunately. They are on the to do list, though.
Time to let you back over
the bridge and experience the Northside.
This doesn’t benefit all workers! I work late afternoon into the night, and if I want a drink before work, my options are unfortunately very limited
Maybe if small coffees weren't $6 and meals weren't $30, people would go out more
My 2 cents on this is: Melb and Syd are dominated by corp culture where everyon starts late and then stays back late, has coffee and goes to restaurants in the city, before heading home. Brisbane is the opposite, there is little established white collar up market corp by comparison. Most people going into the city are working class, they eat lunch at shops/cafe then go home. This is not even unique to inner city, even out in the suburbs you see all the cafes close after lunch, but most will be open extremely early, often 4am or 5am.
I would argue that the northside is better, and you should too because Hamilton and New Farm, with their longer trading hours are both on the northside.
It takes a lot more than a few hours more trading hours to make a place great!
What are the other advantages you see with the northside?
@@BrisbaneChannel I don't know, i 'd say 10 years of frustration says otherwise.
@@craigroaring But the main frustration is not with the regulated hours. It's with the businesses that are exempt from the regulations, which have the same issue either side of the river.
Supply and demand.
Pretty much, it seems. I'm hoping the demand increases over time...
Demand severely cut by stifling legislation. This has resulted in locals being 'socially engineered' into accepting the situation and visitors being frustrated.
The big winners are those who sell home coffee machines and barista courses as Adam pointed out. If the demand wasn't there, they wouldn't be selling coffee machines.
@@RobNMelbourne There are no stifling legislations. What you have missing are basics of business knowledge. Understanding the market in which you operate. Using the fences as understanding and appreciating them as barriers to entry for competition. Doing a basic SWOT and understanding the basics of marketing. The public should not have to deal with incompetent business operators creating dodgy jobs and poor quality attempts at operations that ruin decent operations and supply companies.
I'm a born and bred QUEENSLANDER but I was saved from this frustrating stupidity by being transferred with my job to Melbourne. When I lived in Brisbane I new the location of every Night Owls convenience store so I could get essentials after 6pm. In Melb, my local Coles, Woolies and IGA are open until midnight every night. When pubs closed at 10pm in Melb we would then go to dinner at a good restaurant knowing the kitchen would be open for hours more. Now my local pub (The Riversdale in Hawthorn) is open to 4am 365 days of the year, you can get take away meals until 3am and the attached bottle shop (Thirsty Camel) closes at 3am 365 days a year - no noise and no problems.
After living and working all around the world, I get so frustrated every time I go back to Brisbane and it's the same on the sunny coast. Trying to get a take away fish n chips or Thai after 8pm is almost impossible.
Don't get me started on daylight saving. In Melbourne in summer, I can go sailing for 3 hours after work midweek and then get dinner easily after 9-10pm.
The trading hours issue is the major negative factor I hear from interstate and international visitors. It will need to change before the Olympics in 2032 when the world descends on Brisbane.
P.S. - northside is so much better. That is why the top suburbs are on the northside.
Living elsewhere definitely brings some perspective.
But what makes you say the northside is better, and what makes a suburb a "top suburb" to you? I always appreciate hearing perspectives different to my own.
Southside 🤮Northside better sunny coast even better but death nights
Melbourne is a nightlife city. Brisbane is more of a morning city
@@electro_sykes Your statement highlights the problem. Also, you seem to think that your experience is the same for everyone, it is not.
A true international city is a 24/7 city catering for all. This is why interstate and international visitors to Brisbane get so frustrated. It is one of the biggest negative talking points in that group of people.
Like I said above, what is the world going think when they arrive for the Olympics in 2032.
Or change the habit of Coffee :D
The joke has always been 'Australia's Most Liveable City...if you want to be in bed by 8.30'
Haha, the very definition of a first world problem...! ps> good home solution there.
Absolutely a first-world problem, and I know there are some much more pressing issues people are facing even here in Brisbane. It's just the first thing that popped into my mind (and something I could do in a couple of days without requiring so much time away from my PhD, which has already dragged on for too long), but I am planning to dig into some of the meatier issues in the near future.
I'd rather the city get rid of all the homeless people everywhere 🤦♂️ p.s. northside so much better, mate 👍
Well, unless you have a cure for greed or you are willing to house a few,, there will be homeless in the city.
@@MrRadialdrift Council should designate areas for them, not just allow them to camp wherever they choose. Should be treated as a zoning issue, similar to parking areas, business areas, etc. We dont just let people park cars wherever they feel like it just because they dont have money to park or there is no garage space available. Park in a designated area or get towed. Having designated public camping areas also allows Council to more effectively deliver services to this population while at the same time cleaning up the image of popular areas of the city like Queen Street Mall, Captain Burke Park, etc. where many of the homeless seem to congregate.
We need to give up on Net Zero delusion to bring down energy prices, inflation and interest rates. There is no "climate crisis" we are literally living in an Ice Age. Cause: net zero delusion Effect: homelessness.
I do think this is a valid idea.
Edit: Not the northside comment, though. Although I am curious what it is you like about it?
@@BrisbaneChannel Northside much more convienient. No car needed at all. Central station, Roma St, Queen St Mall, Queet St bus terminal, airport, Botanical Gardens (2), Mt Coot-tha, HSW/Riverside, Fortitude Valley nightlife are all right there. Southside seems less convienient, more conjested, smaller network of public transit, etc. I do like Bulimba, however! Why do you like the southside?
This is what is wrong year by year in Brisbane. Too lazy? then how do brisbanian people expect tourism to drive the state. All tourism who comes from overseas the first thing they think is Sydney or Melbourne. Most of them don't no where Brisbane is or they think Brisbane is a small town. Because Brisbane is not doing it correctly... the huge habit of shutting down early stores/restaurants now the city looks like a dead ghost city.. Everyone at home all stuck at home. No one is socialist out there at least the suburbs looks dull or just not exciting other then streets and houses and plenty of cars around instead. But no one walking outside. This is why Brisbane doesn't no how to.... Brisbane people have a habit for years and years that once you go to work.. you work and then go straight home and only go out weekends instead as if this was a schedule habit.
You have a beautiful city and suburbs. But everything looks like as if Brisbane hasn't been discovered much at all. And that's true.. Tourism don't no much about Brisbane. there for Sydney knows how to promote it properly and there for Sydney shows more entertainment. Brisbane cant do it because not enough money? Maybe not built a city in the first place if no one has money teh... Because that's where all the money goes to to built things but same time no one around.
The other time i went to Brisbane i notice a dozen stores been For sale... For Lease... empty spaces empty stores.. No one wants to buy anything. Not many people around because nothing seems to be entertained around. Restaurants shutting down early... Stores closing so early even at 4pm.... this is why.. why bother go for a walk out there city if there's nothing to do... Might as well be stuck at home in the bedroom and go to bed.
Brisbane people try so hard to make Brisbane an entertainment place.. ok sure and fair enough. But it will take 1000s and thousands of people to make this happen and not just yourself showing the world.
And it seems Brisbane people get pretty pisst off just because i say these things. Well you can see whats happening. What eles do you expect about brisbane like ive said a number of times. A tourism when they think of Australia they think of Sydney. And if they do visit Brisbane they dont last long staying there because the majority of tourism say its kind of "Boring" they shut the stores and malls and restaurant early. So they plan to move away and go to other bigger cities where there are more intertainment to do. Not just clubs. But restaurants to remain open till late.. stores to remain late... Is brisbane just afraidf to keep things up late or is this some kind of bad habit for most australians. Oh your not getting paid much. Seriously brisbane cant be that poor low class right ? despite a young australian earns 100thousdand dollars per year... thats alot of money.
I know your making brisbane the best we can make.. its fair enough. Sure... but it takes everyone to make Brisbane better and not just showing whats on this month in brisbane because each time theres whats on in brisbane its always a convention center showing a theatre show or something in which you MUST pay to see it or pre book it to see it.... not a easy way and not a very free lifestyle. Because its always the same old thing. Pretty lights on trees... as if its a huge event.. wow.... small little events fenced around in a green park place wow you must pay to get in... So much restrictions for just everything and all you have is the so what Brisbane river fire where theres nothing to do but stand there until its dark just to see the damn fireworks and a waste of time waiting for that. Thats why without the intertainment around you make brisbane locals look dull. Not saying u all are just making the image look bad for brisbane. Blame your goverment and the lifestyle as well. Change it for the better becasue i cant imagined seen the Olympic games hosting in brisbane perfectly..... This is not like a slum city... this city has potentials.. but people dont no how to change it for the best for life yet to come.
Like all things in life, no one is going to 'supply,' if there is little to no 'demand'?
If demand reaches 'critical mass' then the supply side will respond, economics 101.
But I would like to say that just because the rest of the world is doing coffee and 2 am by no means diminishes the City of Brisbane in my eyes. To me, your problem sounds very much like a 'first-world problem' suffered by caffeine drug addicts. You can always get a drink of water.
I agree that it's very much a first world problem.
I don't agree that it's about caffeine addiction, however. Lots of people just enjoy coffee, and also the social environment a nice cafe can provide. Just as not everyone that has a beer after work is an acoholic, not every coffee drinker is addicted. It's more the culture around the drinking of coffee that makes it appealing to people like myself.
@@BrisbaneChannel Are you trying to tell me the world isn't full of caffeine addicts?
Most people I know who drink coffee tell me that they can't start the day without at least one coffee, often more, not to mention the ones who down copious caffiene filled energy drinks, day and night, as well.
If you enjoy a beer after work you are drinking alcohol and if you do it every day it becomes addictive and the same is true of caffeine drinks, including coffee.
The people I love are those who tell you they 'don't take drugs', but they smoke cigarettes, drink coffee, down energy drinks all day long and then go home after work to drink a 6 pack of beer.
No, they are not addicts, they are just enjoying the 'culture' is what they defensively tell me.
In the workplace, I find Coffee drinkers are 'Very Special People,' and if you don't join in, you are labeled as being 'weird or strange and someone who probably can't be trusted'.
I'm not saying no people who drink coffee, or alcohol socially are addicted, but a certain percentage (no idea if it would be large or small) are not. I am in the "not" group. Addiction, whether physical or psychological, means that you can't withdraw from the substance or activity without some negative effects, and a reliance on it as you have described with the people saying they need a coffee to start their day would indicate addiction. But if I go without coffee (which I often do, especially when I'm particularly busy), I don't feel like I can't deal with life, or get headaches, or feel any negative effects.
I can admit my own addictions - most of them technology-related (I'd find it much easier going a month without coffee than a month without internet access, checking my TH-cam statistics etc), but coffee is not one. Espresso coffee for me is more a symbol of having climbed to a higher socioeconomic level to the one I grew up in (as here, it used to be very much a beverage enjoyed by middle class and above). When I have non-instant coffee, it's a little celebration for myself, which is the main appeal of it for me. Sure, I like the taste as well, but there's definitely a psychological element to it that causes me to enjoy it. Not that I feel being in a better place financially makes me a better person, I'm proud of my blue-collar foundation, but it's a symbol to myself recognising that I've changed my situation.
I'm sorry that you've had to deal with coffee snobs that have given you a negative view of everyone who enjoys coffee, but narrowminded people can be found everywhere. It's probably just an indication of their having not associated with many people outside their own culture (be it ethnic, socioeconomic, habitual or whatever).
@@BrisbaneChannel My comments were intended to be general and not a personal attack, but thanks for sharing your reasoning and confession, I hope you have found it both liberating and fulfilling.
We live in a nanny state.
As an white European who lived 17 years in Melbourne and moved 1 year ago to Brisbane, I can see the changes, Melbourne became now a little India and overcrowded with many immigrants from 3rd world countries and I was very surprised with Brisbane to see here so many Asian population, so Brisbane is heading to become a little Asia. However I can see the white population shrinking which means also the quality of services and goods going under bus. It is hard and almost impossible to get value for your money in both cities, generally everything is overpriced in Australia. I am Chef myself and during almost 20 years in Australia, I have been only 3 times in the restaurants as I am able to produce much better quality dish at home for much cheaper money, so there is not need to spend my money for lower quality product. From my live experience and coming from hegemonic country in Europe, I observed that multiculturalism is not able to achieve high quality products as every immigrant has different quality expectations and skills, which explains why Australia must be so over regulated and expensive. I learnt one thing, if you want value for your money, spend your money in overseas not in Australia or do everything what you can by your self, but for this you need to be multi task skilled person!
Pretty sure you’re just a racist and xenophobe.
Maybe you are a melbourne or sydney person trapped in brisbane just enjoy the weather and stop complaining.
Listen. You keep promoting things as if it was just around the corner of anyones comfortable chair. The events your saying is mainly pay events or encloser places. its not an open place for free to anyone like you see in real festivals out there. Other then having a bunch of a few lazy tiny festivals in brisbane other then kids face painting. Your city is not really that content place. People have mentioned its a lay back with nice places but not a place where you make it out this is new york when its not.. Many australians prefer to travel overseas rather then staying home in brisbane because they know there isnt much to do in brisbane other then walk about. And also you wouldnt expect to go miles away for a drive to a concert and into a encloser event. The stuff you promotion is fair enough but your adding things like as if it was too easy for everyone to do monthly when its not. You dont expect to go event encloser sites where you have to pay to get in. Big diferences between whats free and in a open placed and at your door step vs the one your saying.
I think you've commented on the wrong video, as there's nothing in this video about events.
But I'll still respond.
I'm not trying to make Brisbane anything it isn't, and I'm definitely not trying to compare it with cities like New York. But people who say that nothing actually happens here are also wrong. However, a lot of what happens here goes on without a lot of people knowing about it. So the purpose of anything on this channel about events in Brisbane is to highlight what does go on here each month. Many of the events are free, which you'd realise if you actually were a channel member and saw the full lists, and many are outdoors. But your problem, and the source of your negativity, is you are trying to compare Brisbane with other places. Australia is not Europe, so stop saying it's bad because things are different here! It's pretty simple: if it's not the right place for you, don't come here, and don't waste your time watching videos about Brisbane. Find the places that make you happy and stick to those.
This channel is not about comparing (most of the time). It's about presenting information that is helpful to people living in or visiting Brisbane. If someone lives in Brisbane, of course they're going to want to know what's happening in their city. And so I really don't see what your problem is. I'm all about focusing on what Brisbane has and what is good about it, rather than on what it doesn't have and what is bad about it. Life is much better if you look for the good rather than the bad.
And also, what's your obsession with face painting?!! Honestly there's very few Brisbane events that even have that, you speak as if that's all Brisbane ever does! I don't know if you're the same person who has left very long comments in the past, or if this is just something that people from your part of the world have an obsession with, as every comment I see criticising Brisbane events, ALWAYS mentions face painting. Get over it!
@@BrisbaneChannel The brisbane events are not that good. You know that. First of all sorry i posted this in the wrong video and secondly i am not the other person commenting stuff. I read what people say and also i come up what people say. The events in brisbane isnt that good. You do realise that ? you cant say that because you make this kind of whats on in brisbane becasue your prob getting paid but the truth lies is that brisbane really doesnt have good events anyways. Maybe once in a while they do in the year but other most of the times is just pointless or just boring sort of to speak. Plus you also do realise that people living in brisbane dont always bothered with the whats on in brisbane you do know that right ? you might be young but im older then you there for the events dont bother me yet.. because there's nothing good about it. If theres something good then i check it out but usually 90% of all times there's nothing interesting other then promoting events to make it sound like there's stuff happening which is happening but nothing interesting other then who ever cares to go check it out i suppose. But the majority of many people living in brisbane wouldnt careless about the events.
Also you have not lived in brisbane all your life there for i understand you only been here for a few years.. so there for you make it feel like its all fresh and great events and so on. ok fair enough. But try live all your live in brisbane and there will be a time when you do realise that you couldnt be bothered with whats on in brisbane every month. Its such a shame theres nothing good about it. For you it might sound wow its all fun and excitement but try live all your life here and you will understand what i mean. People leave and wants to go overseas instead. Christmas... easter... everything in brisbane is just not big no christmas lights other then just a tree and nothing else. Other events and its just boring and or too expensive. The ekka is just as bad as for little kids yet i dont understand why families would bother spenting over 100 bucks with kids to enter the ekka when all you see is the same street food over there and around the corner same food as the other street. Perhaps if your new and a visitor to brisbane all this might be an interest for them. Not really for people living all thier lifes in brisbane.
No offence of anything. Keep the work you do. But the truth is that knowadays you can simply get whats on in brisbane on anything posters.... newsreaders... websites obviously for tourism and brisbane city council whats on events and so on. On tv and adverts..... So your channel on youtube is just 1 small channel between 100s other dozen sites where they show the Whats on in brisbane. I know you cant control that and i bet you wish u where the first to do all this but theres so much stuff today that theres too many websites where they promote things the same way as you and i beleive other local brisbane youtubers are doing similar as yours.. so theres competitor wars but thats ok. no one is perfect after all.
The while event whats on just gets some what boring over time. im sure you might get bored with it. But it will hit on you when it does come to been tired of doing this channel because theres too many websites and people doing the same as you. I guess thats how life is with any other subjects on youtube and else where. Which ever way is done! But yes for my opinion brisbane events is just boring the majority and yes THE Majority of the locals there in brisbane prefer to travel to big cities like New york. Big difgerences. then you come back to brisbane go to sleep... work make money and plan your next trip. For me events in brisbane is boring for you it might not be so boring because you only bloody been living in brisbane only a short time (and it might be new stuff for you never seen things like that in your life so far since your only young) trust me i know and this will effect you some way or another as you age doesnt matter if your 40 or 50 tomorrow.... you never lived all your life here aniways. If you where here all your life and at age 40 you will feel the reason what im saying. Anyways all the best and thank you for listerning.