Number 9 continued: I once made a fursuit head for someone who already had that character as a suit ...and then they continued to only post pics of the old suit, I never saw them wearing the one I made and I worried why. So I actually mustered up the nerve to ask them when I saw them at a convention if there was a problem with my work is why they never wear it, and they said they love the one I made so much that they put it on display so as to never wear it out, which TBH left me with mixed feelings as yes that is a huge compliment but on the other hand I really wanted to see them take it on adventures like they did their old suit ;3;
First of I can understand that you habe mixed feelings about that. You put much work and effort into your suits and tbh pretty much everybody wants to display his art to others especially a fursuit. Second, sorry for fangirling, but you are the reason I took on the task making my own fursuits! I hope one day I'm able to own a suit made by you :'D
If I was a maker I’d ask then why didn’t you ask for a sculpture? Because I would feel like I wasted hours of work for something that most people won’t see.
Asking any artist for free stuff is ALWAYS extremely rude, cause it shows that person has zero respect for the artist, zero respect for their craft, zero respect for the sheer amount of work that goes into their work, and zero respect for the art they make.
The sad thing is that if you actually make friends with an artist and show lots of appreciation, they would perhaps actually say yes if it were drawings... For a fursuit, you better be practically married if you expect a suit for free, because fursuit materials ain't cheap.
The imperfections bit, for reals. When I got that three-headed cerberus suit from Elkcraft I got random DMs from people asking me to go through a checklist of "is a seam loose, is there any visible glue, etc" and I'm like.... WHO CARES??? WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME?? IT LOOKS AWESOME AND IS BUILT REALLY WELL
Well, too many big suit makers are being shown to have worse craftsmanship than we first thought. (Citymutt and DHC for example) and I understand people being curious about what you see. Most of us will NEVER be able to see these suits up close. Yes tiny tiny areas don't matter but what about the seams, did any pop? Etc. You know?
@@MMMMMerlin I don't see asking some questions as inappropriate. We are curious about the quality because we want to commission as well and want to know what we're getting into. as i said again, tiny things dont matter as much, you don't need to bring up 'nitpicky', i'm talking about the big important stuff.
@@freckledcatcreations especially if you spent over 1k on a fursuit, I'd be pissed if something wasn't going to last by the end of the year because the person I commissioned didn't do a good job with the seams.
My favorite inaccurate refsheet experience was when someone sent me a really nice ref sheet for a dog character, and then tacked on at the very end of the message was *_"this but as a dragon"_* Like, I... I'm sorry? ( _Equally frustrating: _*_"like this but more blue!!!"_* )
As a maker, I want to SCREAM "THIS" to the world. For every. Single. Thing. I've had people send me inaccurate ref sheets. I've had people begging me when I was offering sales to do theirs for the same price: example every so often I offer sales on making Dutchies because they're the most common I'm requested to make, and people some to me with wolf sonas wanting me to discount their request for a wolf fursuit... I actually caught someone tracing Neff's character off her own artwork and they were asking ME to make their character into a suit for them, and I played dumb and just sent the art straight to her like "Can you believe this?" I've had people be stupidly overly specific with their suit details and I did my best for what they wanted, but some got so bad to a point of literally hounding and harassing me on the work. I've had people offer me horrid quality art and demand a fursuit in return just randomly. Last but not least for me to share, I never EVER see any of my work ever again once it leaves my hands and it hurts. It hurts I never see these people post about it, and one case, someone resold a suit just weeks after getting it from me. This person harassed the hell out of me for constant updates hourly when I give updates every phase I work on with a suit. I saw a video their mom did of them getting the suit. Then they never wore it ever again, trying to offer it BACK TO ME to get a different character made, and telling me to just resell the suit myself. That last one hurt A LOT. All the harassment I got from this person, them instantly reselling the suit, but then trying to trade it to me for another suit and telling me to resell it myself.
I want to add... I'm usually the only one who can model my own work. When showing examples to someone requesting digi-legs, they pretty much went "yeah never mind, I don't want something saggy that'll make me look fat. Thanks." I'm 5" tall and most commissions are people taller or bigger than myself.
People expect a reasonable level of quality for their money regardless of what the product is, be it fursuits, cars, guitars, etc. For most, that expectation scales with cost. The more expensive, the higher the expectation that the product isn't going to have issues. Personally i've noticed there's quite a few fursuit makers who price their suits way over what their skill level lets them back up. And people who put best of the best pricing on their suits and deliver crap should very much be picked apart and exposed to the rest of the fandom for the practice.
number1: That first one in particular oof. I too have seen many folks acting like they got scammed because of flaws you have to look closely for. I actually changed my TOS to cover this and added build close ups to my website to ease the anxiety such reviews caused me ;A;
That 2nd one! What is it with people saying this to Dutchies? I've had a couple of young furs get excited and think I'm Telephone which is kind of sweet, but when people criticise my character and say he looks "too much like Telephone" I wonder why they'd even say that to someone? Do they do it to all other species too?
Gosh first suit I ever sold just disappeared off the face of the earth- I have absolutely no idea if they even like the suit because I don’t even see any art of the character since it was sold as a premade.
i have that a lot with the suits i make. mostly on ebay sometimes i see them crop up weeks. sometimes months later. i recently found out who baught my very first one. they might find you eventualy who knows
I've only ever sold one finished suit but the second it was sent, I never heard from them ever again, didn't even get a "it was delivered!" I just new it was because I had the tracking
In terms of air conditioning. Years ago I talked to a German suiter who had like a dozen ducts of surgical tubing in their suit, ending at different spots with all beginning in one connector at the neck. The idea being that you can use an air compressor (or a hand pump, though that didn't work as well) to force part of the warm air out from under the suit. It's not quite built in air conditioning, but with modern battery tech, that might be worth revisiting.
OH MY GOSH, everything said in this video is on point. I got a DTD one time where they were literally sitting and both arms were bent, also got another that was still moist when it arrived. please, PLEASE, put effort into the dtd. It’s so important
@@SkyehighStudios I got one all stuck together with no clothing inside of it just straight tape??? one all shrunken and mashed up because it was made with plastic cling wrap?!? and one sent in a huge box because it was already stuffed with rigid expanding foam with the limbs cut off to make it fit the box o.0
On the note of "poorly made DTDs": I once had someone legitimately threaten to SUE me because their DTD was literally falling apart before I even started stuffing it. They even went as far as /threatening/ by sending a photo of our house when (as a result of threatening us) we dropped their commission.
100% agree with everything! I legit had a customer who sent me a shaded ref sheet and with my inexperience I forgot to ask them for a flatcoloured ref (I asked them later for one and apparently they don't have one?). I ended up getting two smallish details incorrect due to the shading changing the colour of them making them look lighter.. they were fixed of course but it was a little frustrating. Please, make sure you send in flatcoloured, up to date ref sheets to your makers!
I usually trace free-to-use bases just because the quality of the image can usually be pretty bad once I screenshot it, and then it's also hard to draw with. I always make sure to keep the watermark in it though! I never have bad intentions while doing so, and it's only so that teh quality can be at its highest!
“hey skay can yoo make me free furry costume i want it pls i have no monz thanks” lol great video guys, people ask me for free art all the time so i feel the pain xD
If that was me who asked about the Transformer suit I am incredibly sorry, I don't tend to ask anybody if it's possible because I know it's almost well impossible. I will be attempting this myself in about a year or so.
The disappearing fursuit must be super common. There are so many suits featured in various different people videos titled like Most amazing fursuits or Most out of this world design where you see a fully made suit likely displayed by the maker and then you never ever see it anywhere ever. And no one can find out where these most amazing creative insane productions ended up lol.
one thing i hate is when someone buys a premade from you ( that you have just spent days weeks making) and then they just distroy it. or then decide to sell it on for more money than what they paid for it. :(
number 9 is honestly 99% of why I'm making my own suit... I dont post pics on social media, at all, since i left social media to be present in the real world. I wear the premade i bought to events and festivals, but not really for pictures. Maybe that'll change when it's my own sona, but i just feel bad. If you want pics and to see how it's doing, please ask for them, for real. some of us just aren't online people :(
I've had most of these... I had one particular one which was a "dragon" for a little girl. The she gave me 3 different looking refs and gave me artistic liberty for it. She got a head, (dinomask base), feet, hands, and wings for just under $400. Her mom then gave me an extremely poor review and wanted a refund because it wasn't perfect. I offered to change it and fix anything for free and she said no still.
Tbh if/when I do order a fursuit I'd only be worried about it not looking like the character, I personally love the imperfections, it's what makes them even more unique.
add-on to number 6: i saw people stealing designs and post them on raffle posts. they’re very crunchy and theyre always from a very recgonizeable designer
The short time I have been watching people on the amino I have seen a few people asking for a fursuit for amino credits which is basically them asking for it for free.
@@Pancakeboii What? They said that some people faked cancer as an excuse for a free fursuit, I wanted to know if anyone has ever asked them the same thing except with covid as the excuse.
I see alot of free to use bases for ref sheets and I began to understand why they trace it,usually the lines are too thin to color or mabey hard to see
I find it insane that people still think its ok to ask some one "hi can you do this for free?", "its so expensive why cant you do it for free?!" your wasting the artists, makers time and its supper rude. Also I am really enjoying your video's keep making people smile.
10:15 i used to use free to use bases when i just wanted to get the colors and markings down for a character, and i have had to trace some because they were simply not compatible with the art program i used
10:30 see I use ibispaintx and basically when it comes to free bases it's not transparent so I need to trace the lines but I also keep their logo or the personas name in the base
I made a 70s style fursuit head, tail and paws. It cost not much, just about $200. It took me a hot minute and when I gave it they said they didn't like the style, thought it was asked for
When I was the school mascot in highschool (basically a cheap full body fursuit) and they had a full vest MADE OF ICE PACKS to keep me cool along with the head fan. I wonder if I would be able to find something like that to wear in a proper fursuit.
i trace f2u bases sometimes bc i just want the lines to match with the extra stuff ill add uwu, i always credit tho never say that im the artist when im clearly not (my art is shitty thats why i use bases qwq)
I'm a fursuit maker and one of my classmates is a furry No one really talks to me and I kinda have no friends But the only reason this guy came to talk to me is because I made fursuits to make it even worse he asked me if I can make him a free one I was pretty mad-
The only time I would trace a F2U base is if there is no transparent version and I can’t find a better one, but I’ll still credit the original artist. That, to me, is the only way to make it somewhat acceptable (unless they say not to trace it, in which case I just can’t use the base). It’s obviously not perfect, and I really wish that base artists would just post the transparent version without the white background so I could actually use it, but what can I do about it?
Question- If I used a free to use base to make a oc (cuz I suck a drawing animals) and gave it to a maker to make a fursuit out of it, would they decline and say “No, I can do that because that’s someone else’s art” or would they make me a suit? I’m only wondering this because a found a free base and simply just retraced it (to make the lines bolder) and colored it and now I want a fursuit head of it.
A lot of makers will actually encourage you to use a free to use t-pose base because it's he clearest and easier to reference. Any maker who shames you for using a base is shitty
@@wonkasfavorite That’s the problem tho- I made the character ( My profile pic ) and a couple days later I saw someone with very similar markings as mine but the only differences is that mine a white heart on the back of his brown ear and mine has the teal nose and toe beans
Note on number 8: I've had this happen before with parts that I was asked to make, but someone once asked me to make a bodysuit to go with their matching head and offered to send me swatches of the furs they used and everything, but the reference they sent me was WAY too complicated (as per how it goes), being a super small underground maker I offered to remake their ref sheet more fursuit friendly for free (because I'm personable like that, obviously I don't do this anymore and sadly have to punish the whole class because of this one person), they were SUPER cool with that so I spent days remaking this 3 angle ref sheet, they were super communicative the whole time telling me what they liked/didn't like or what parts of the design they wanted to keep etc, and after I sent them the digital file for their FREE ref sheet they discontinued the conversation and I never heard from them again. 🥴 I can only imagine they took my beautiful free ref sheet and commissioned other art with it because I never EVER saw it again. I was so heartbroken over my hard work (at the time) that I took it off my social medias. Super sad deal. I think they just wanted a free ref sheet that wasn't drawn from a base. I had in my bios that ref sheets come with the suits I make because I was trying to promote my artwork as MUCH as possible. I don't care as much now lol, if someone likes my stuff and wants to talk about it that's cool but if not I'm over here doing my own thing for me. Taking commissions proved to be so much of a hassle that I only do gift artwork or stuff for friends and family now. 😭
amazing editing job, gosh Neffy (I've never seen this suit before clearly I'm missing out on good stuff) your suit looks so cute and smiley and bright. Your guys's suits go together so well with Skye's lighter design and Neffy's darker, brighter design. Wonderful video
Im in and out of the furry fandom alot, so when I saw Neffertity my brain went to work to figure out who they were, I knew the name so well, but it was on the tip of a braincell lmfao I knew the moment I looked their name up
I would love to see air conditioning in fursuits but there are lots of problems involved 1, size 2, weight 3, noise 4, power 5, cold air distribution 6, hot air dissipation 7, unit placement
Probably the best you could do is a moderately powerful exhaust fan on the head with hidden vents lower on the body to draw cooler air up through the suit and exhaust warmer air. Or hide something like a papr in the suit's design. With either one battery weight would be the limiting factor.
2 awesome makers with awesome tutorials. Also when are we gonna see Skye’s new head in videos? I always change my ref when anything (even small stuff) changes.
I think people trace free-to-use bases because they don't have the right tools to just color it in as it is or maybe they wanted to make a change that wasn't on the original one so they traced it.
Thankyou for sharing, I have been a hardedge model maker for film/TV for many years and decided to make a fur suit as my first foray in to costuming. Australians are familiar with the kangaroo from the movie kangaroo jack as that is what my design is based on. Wondering how people in the community view a fiberglass head base rather than using foam?
sometimes (and when i say sometimes i mean maybe once bc im a lazy artist just tryna get a pattern down) i trace free to use bases but still always trace the credit and their stuff, usually just bc a lot of them arent transparent or dont translate well or are really low quality so i just trace the lines and tbh its way easier than trying to color on the same layer, and it just looks bad lol like u can clearly see what was added
about the tracing the bases, a while ago i did not know how to insert a base so i would trace the base but still give credit to the base maker and then colour it, but now i have learned how to insert a base
Excellent video! Also could do with a "10 things fursuit commissioners should do" sequel video to this, like research faux fur colour availability (spent a year tracking down the exact AliExpress listing for the specific colour of my fullsuit), be involved with the shaping process by providing suggestions on how to achieve out-there ideas (ie: sketching wing mechanisms and such for the fursuit maker so that they have a better idea of what functionality you want), and most importantly: *don't nag.* Fursuits take time to be made!
First of all, thank you so much for this video! I will be submitting my FIRST EVER fursuit order on wednesday, so I'm gonna use this as a 'how not to act' video and just do the opposite of the people you both encountered. Also your suits are both SUPER CUTE! ... I do confess though when I was in high school, I WAS going to try and order a suit that went from bipedal digitigrade to quadsuit if I bent over before realizing that would be wicked hard XD Maybe one day I'll try and make something like that myself! But commissioning a maker? Nah, not putting them through that lol
I think what certain furries don’t understand is that artists are… well, artists. There’s a certain way of thinking what art is, and artist expectations within the furry fandom. I understand it’s very stressful, but from what I observe a lot of yall are doing an amazing job! Just keep focusing on your development and have fun with it
I'd love to get a fursuit head and paws but always nervous I'ma ask for too much. Also even if there are imperfections I understand why some people my look at it and complain but it's rude to tear into it. Be blessed the creator of the fursuit took the time and effort to make the wonderful creation ^w^
i will make sure to keep all of this in mind when i commotion my fursona to a fursuit maker!! this was very helpful and i hope both you have a wonderful day!! or night!! :3
So I have a question! I'm making a fursuit head and I was wondering if you have any tips with furring and carving the face (without a sewing machine or any power tools)!!
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This was a lot of fun to collab with you on!
Thanks so much for having me!
I love your suit! So so so so pretty!
(also, I'm so sorry about my mic peaking ^^; I'm working on fixing that issue for the future)
i love your dutch angel dragon suit and i think your suits are amazing
Man it was an unexpected surprise to see you in a collab with skyhigh but a welcome one, and that fursuit hadn't seen it since the meets at sunset
Your suit is absolutely beautiful!
Number 9 continued: I once made a fursuit head for someone who already had that character as a suit ...and then they continued to only post pics of the old suit, I never saw them wearing the one I made and I worried why. So I actually mustered up the nerve to ask them when I saw them at a convention if there was a problem with my work is why they never wear it, and they said they love the one I made so much that they put it on display so as to never wear it out, which TBH left me with mixed feelings as yes that is a huge compliment but on the other hand I really wanted to see them take it on adventures like they did their old suit ;3;
passivepositive compliment
I do that with certain socks and t-shirts... I like them so much I don't want to ruin them. /never wears
@@KitsuneNeko Same. I've even bought the pair of socks twice before just so I could wear one pair and treasure the other
First of I can understand that you habe mixed feelings about that.
You put much work and effort into your suits and tbh pretty much everybody wants to display his art to others especially a fursuit.
Second, sorry for fangirling, but you are the reason I took on the task making my own fursuits!
I hope one day I'm able to own a suit made by you :'D
If I was a maker I’d ask then why didn’t you ask for a sculpture? Because I would feel like I wasted hours of work for something that most people won’t see.
After that rainbow zebra I don’t think I will ever want to do super tiny markings again...
number 9: RIP the pinto pony quadsuit, I never ever saw it again after mailing it and it's easily my most realistic fursuit ever T.T
oof
Yikes
That sucks, I believe you that it was a god-tier realistic suit, I love your other work, please keep being an amazing creator
I love that suit so much! I am so sad to learn it’s never being used.
Asking any artist for free stuff is ALWAYS extremely rude, cause it shows that person has zero respect for the artist, zero respect for their craft, zero respect for the sheer amount of work that goes into their work, and zero respect for the art they make.
EXACTLY!
Don’t even get me started on the “Can you draw me Plssssssssss I am in your class!1!!1!1”
Please, you remind me of the "I'm your sister/brother. Give me free suit because we're family, and if you don't, I'll never talk to you again. >:("
i feel like it's usually minors or people with no job that wanna strive for that internet clout
The sad thing is that if you actually make friends with an artist and show lots of appreciation, they would perhaps actually say yes if it were drawings... For a fursuit, you better be practically married if you expect a suit for free, because fursuit materials ain't cheap.
The imperfections bit, for reals. When I got that three-headed cerberus suit from Elkcraft I got random DMs from people asking me to go through a checklist of "is a seam loose, is there any visible glue, etc" and I'm like.... WHO CARES??? WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME?? IT LOOKS AWESOME AND IS BUILT REALLY WELL
Well, too many big suit makers are being shown to have worse craftsmanship than we first thought. (Citymutt and DHC for example) and I understand people being curious about what you see. Most of us will NEVER be able to see these suits up close. Yes tiny tiny areas don't matter but what about the seams, did any pop? Etc. You know?
@@MMMMMerlin that's good to hear!
@@freckledcatcreations "no" as in "it is inappropriate and weird to DM strangers with a laundry list of nitpicky fursuit questions"
@@MMMMMerlin I don't see asking some questions as inappropriate. We are curious about the quality because we want to commission as well and want to know what we're getting into. as i said again, tiny things dont matter as much, you don't need to bring up 'nitpicky', i'm talking about the big important stuff.
@@freckledcatcreations especially if you spent over 1k on a fursuit, I'd be pissed if something wasn't going to last by the end of the year because the person I commissioned didn't do a good job with the seams.
Skyehigh and neffertity. The unstoppable duo.
They both look so cute😁
Yep
Double the threat for the haters
Sky: Prepare for trouble...
Neff: And make it double!
yes
My favorite inaccurate refsheet experience was when someone sent me a really nice ref sheet for a dog character, and then tacked on at the very end of the message was *_"this but as a dragon"_*
Like, I... I'm sorry?
( _Equally frustrating: _*_"like this but more blue!!!"_* )
Hahaha. Yeah.
I honestly thought the title said “Ten things fursuit makers HATE: @neffertity”
Same-
Lol
I don't understand please help
@@jmaidenstorz they thought it said that "fursuit makers hate Neffertity" who is also a fursuit maker.
As a maker, I want to SCREAM "THIS" to the world. For every. Single. Thing. I've had people send me inaccurate ref sheets. I've had people begging me when I was offering sales to do theirs for the same price: example every so often I offer sales on making Dutchies because they're the most common I'm requested to make, and people some to me with wolf sonas wanting me to discount their request for a wolf fursuit... I actually caught someone tracing Neff's character off her own artwork and they were asking ME to make their character into a suit for them, and I played dumb and just sent the art straight to her like "Can you believe this?" I've had people be stupidly overly specific with their suit details and I did my best for what they wanted, but some got so bad to a point of literally hounding and harassing me on the work. I've had people offer me horrid quality art and demand a fursuit in return just randomly. Last but not least for me to share, I never EVER see any of my work ever again once it leaves my hands and it hurts. It hurts I never see these people post about it, and one case, someone resold a suit just weeks after getting it from me. This person harassed the hell out of me for constant updates hourly when I give updates every phase I work on with a suit. I saw a video their mom did of them getting the suit. Then they never wore it ever again, trying to offer it BACK TO ME to get a different character made, and telling me to just resell the suit myself.
That last one hurt A LOT. All the harassment I got from this person, them instantly reselling the suit, but then trying to trade it to me for another suit and telling me to resell it myself.
I want to add... I'm usually the only one who can model my own work. When showing examples to someone requesting digi-legs, they pretty much went "yeah never mind, I don't want something saggy that'll make me look fat. Thanks." I'm 5" tall and most commissions are people taller or bigger than myself.
That is sad to hear. I wish people would think about it before they commission a suit and know what they are getting into.
Sounds like furry karens to me ;w;
@@keioftheabyss9167 what websites do you post to?
Bad experience for life. Oh my gosh
Fursuit makers are one of the most important people backing the fandom, I cant believe they get so much flack for their craftmenship.
People expect a reasonable level of quality for their money regardless of what the product is, be it fursuits, cars, guitars, etc. For most, that expectation scales with cost. The more expensive, the higher the expectation that the product isn't going to have issues. Personally i've noticed there's quite a few fursuit makers who price their suits way over what their skill level lets them back up. And people who put best of the best pricing on their suits and deliver crap should very much be picked apart and exposed to the rest of the fandom for the practice.
number1: That first one in particular oof. I too have seen many folks acting like they got scammed because of flaws you have to look closely for. I actually changed my TOS to cover this and added build close ups to my website to ease the anxiety such reviews caused me ;A;
Your fursuit are literal god tier like how the heck are they so realistic?
That 2nd one! What is it with people saying this to Dutchies? I've had a couple of young furs get excited and think I'm Telephone which is kind of sweet, but when people criticise my character and say he looks "too much like Telephone" I wonder why they'd even say that to someone? Do they do it to all other species too?
If that is your suit in your profile picture then I have to ask. How the hell can anyone mistake that for telephone?
@@operaghostkay I guess it's the white eyes and people just focus on that. I've heard it's happened to white eyed suiters of different species too!!
When Neffertity shouted "BUuuUuuUhHH"
I felt that.
Gosh first suit I ever sold just disappeared off the face of the earth- I have absolutely no idea if they even like the suit because I don’t even see any art of the character since it was sold as a premade.
i have that a lot with the suits i make. mostly on ebay sometimes i see them crop up weeks. sometimes months later. i recently found out who baught my very first one. they might find you eventualy who knows
I've only ever sold one finished suit but the second it was sent, I never heard from them ever again, didn't even get a "it was delivered!" I just new it was because I had the tracking
@@jayfeather9348 I get that a lot
In terms of air conditioning. Years ago I talked to a German suiter who had like a dozen ducts of surgical tubing in their suit, ending at different spots with all beginning in one connector at the neck.
The idea being that you can use an air compressor (or a hand pump, though that didn't work as well) to force part of the warm air out from under the suit.
It's not quite built in air conditioning, but with modern battery tech, that might be worth revisiting.
My favorite part was when Neffertity said "Do you have eyeballs?!" I died after hearing that! lol
I understood 'eyeholes' lol
cool pfp
OH MY GOSH, everything said in this video is on point. I got a DTD one time where they were literally sitting and both arms were bent, also got another that was still moist when it arrived. please, PLEASE, put effort into the dtd. It’s so important
My worst one was a painters suit with a handful of masking tape pieces vaguely holding it in place 😂😭😭 it was one of my first ones too
@@SkyehighStudios I got one all stuck together with no clothing inside of it just straight tape??? one all shrunken and mashed up because it was made with plastic cling wrap?!? and one sent in a huge box because it was already stuffed with rigid expanding foam with the limbs cut off to make it fit the box o.0
Skye I have EJ Lion 1.0
On the note of "poorly made DTDs": I once had someone legitimately threaten to SUE me because their DTD was literally falling apart before I even started stuffing it. They even went as far as /threatening/ by sending a photo of our house when (as a result of threatening us) we dropped their commission.
100% agree with everything!
I legit had a customer who sent me a shaded ref sheet and with my inexperience I forgot to ask them for a flatcoloured ref (I asked them later for one and apparently they don't have one?). I ended up getting two smallish details incorrect due to the shading changing the colour of them making them look lighter.. they were fixed of course but it was a little frustrating.
Please, make sure you send in flatcoloured, up to date ref sheets to your makers!
Nobody:
Those people:
“WEELLLLL SOME OF THE COLORS ARE ON YOUR CHARACTER ARE THE INVERTED COLORS OF THIS CHARACTER SO YOU COPIED IT!”
Oooooooo that makes me boil
I usually trace free-to-use bases just because the quality of the image can usually be pretty bad once I screenshot it, and then it's also hard to draw with. I always make sure to keep the watermark in it though! I never have bad intentions while doing so, and it's only so that teh quality can be at its highest!
“hey skay can yoo make me free furry costume i want it pls i have no monz thanks”
lol great video guys, people ask me for free art all the time so i feel the pain xD
If that was me who asked about the Transformer suit I am incredibly sorry, I don't tend to ask anybody if it's possible because I know it's almost well impossible. I will be attempting this myself in about a year or so.
Also if it was not me I'm a little surprised I'm not the only one
It's a damn neat idea, but my brain hurts trying to figure out how that would work that's not in design of a dress
The disappearing fursuit must be super common. There are so many suits featured in various different people videos titled like Most amazing fursuits or Most out of this world design where you see a fully made suit likely displayed by the maker and then you never ever see it anywhere ever. And no one can find out where these most amazing creative insane productions ended up lol.
one thing i hate is when someone buys a premade from you ( that you have just spent days weeks making) and then they just distroy it. or then decide to sell it on for more money than what they paid for it. :(
Rando: You look like Telephone. Neffertity: WELL DO YOU HAVE EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
number 9 is honestly 99% of why I'm making my own suit... I dont post pics on social media, at all, since i left social media to be present in the real world. I wear the premade i bought to events and festivals, but not really for pictures. Maybe that'll change when it's my own sona, but i just feel bad. If you want pics and to see how it's doing, please ask for them, for real. some of us just aren't online people :(
I've had most of these... I had one particular one which was a "dragon" for a little girl. The she gave me 3 different looking refs and gave me artistic liberty for it. She got a head, (dinomask base), feet, hands, and wings for just under $400. Her mom then gave me an extremely poor review and wanted a refund because it wasn't perfect. I offered to change it and fix anything for free and she said no still.
for under $400??? what a steal, genuinely?!?
Tbh if/when I do order a fursuit I'd only be worried about it not looking like the character, I personally love the imperfections, it's what makes them even more unique.
there is something beautifully hilarious about having people rant and rage and the suit head is just 😀
The excitement in Neffertity's voice at the beginning makes me happy to :3
Right at 3:57
*perfectly cut off scream*
At least for me, because an ad came directly after and I burst out laughing.
Are you using a headphone mic inside your suit head? That’s such a good idea, I always wonder how suitors get clear audio
I think the best offer I've ever had in return for a fursuit was a sentimental plushie. Unfortunately I don't think they were joking haha!
add-on to number 6: i saw people stealing designs and post them on raffle posts. they’re very crunchy and theyre always from a very recgonizeable designer
15:15 I can relate to that. There was this customer who would not answer my messages for days and I have never seen that suit sense...
16:33. yall know she serious when she break out the angry eyes
Yay you did a collab with Neffertity! I love watching both of your fur suit making vids!
im so happy my two favorite fursuit makers are doing a video together!
I have to be honest I don't know who any of these people are
Not_moxy seems ligit
The short time I have been watching people on the amino I have seen a few people asking for a fursuit for amino credits which is basically them asking for it for free.
Ruffled feathers and salty sky
This is them combined I love this
Idk how y'all do it, but you both and all fursuit makers have my respect!!!
Have you guys had anyone use "covid" as an excuse for a free fursuit over quarantine? Lol
Bro what the fuck-
@@Pancakeboii What? They said that some people faked cancer as an excuse for a free fursuit, I wanted to know if anyone has ever asked them the same thing except with covid as the excuse.
@@sawtoothbobcatwerelynx9129 im- dude thats so fucking stupid
@@sawtoothbobcatwerelynx9129 i feel bad for anyone who had to deal with someone like that
@@Pancakeboii Yeah, those people are so unempathetic towards actually hurt people yet expect you to feel bad for them. 🙄
It’s why I ask for business cards when I can’t afford at the moment that way when I save up I have the information I need to try and commmision
I swear when neffertity said DO YOU HAVE EYEBALLS that killed me
I wonder what would happen if these two (the best fersuit creators on earth) made a suit together 😳😳🤯🤯
I see alot of free to use bases for ref sheets and I began to understand why they trace it,usually the lines are too thin to color or mabey hard to see
I find it insane that people still think its ok to ask some one "hi can you do this for free?", "its so expensive why cant you do it for free?!" your wasting the artists, makers time and its supper rude. Also I am really enjoying your video's keep making people smile.
Who else busted out laughing when Neffertity shouted "DO YOU HAVE EYEBALLS?"
10:15 i used to use free to use bases when i just wanted to get the colors and markings down for a character, and i have had to trace some because they were simply not compatible with the art program i used
Two of my favourite furries /makers in one video =^)))))))))))))
Double the love
Thank you so much for including my wonderful friend Neffy! ^_^ a wonderful video and some wonderful info. ^_^
10:30 see I use ibispaintx and basically when it comes to free bases it's not transparent so I need to trace the lines but I also keep their logo or the personas name in the base
I made a 70s style fursuit head, tail and paws. It cost not much, just about $200. It took me a hot minute and when I gave it they said they didn't like the style, thought it was asked for
When I was the school mascot in highschool (basically a cheap full body fursuit) and they had a full vest MADE OF ICE PACKS to keep me cool along with the head fan. I wonder if I would be able to find something like that to wear in a proper fursuit.
i trace f2u bases sometimes bc i just want the lines to match with the extra stuff ill add uwu, i always credit tho never say that im the artist when im clearly not (my art is shitty thats why i use bases qwq)
I'm a fursuit maker and one of my classmates is a furry
No one really talks to me and I kinda have no friends
But the only reason this guy came to talk to me is because I made fursuits to make it even worse he asked me if I can make him a free one
I was pretty mad-
I haaaaate my style being compared to other’s styles! HAAAAATE.
I’ve gotten all of these things (except DTDs) as a comics artist.
The only time I would trace a F2U base is if there is no transparent version and I can’t find a better one, but I’ll still credit the original artist. That, to me, is the only way to make it somewhat acceptable (unless they say not to trace it, in which case I just can’t use the base). It’s obviously not perfect, and I really wish that base artists would just post the transparent version without the white background so I could actually use it, but what can I do about it?
if you use ibis paint you can import the base into it and select "clear white" so u get a transparent version
THESE ARE MY TWO FAVORITE FURSUIT MAKERS I LOVE YALL
The adds kept cutting off every time neff screamed or screeched and I can’t get over how it cut her off 😂😂
Question- If I used a free to use base to make a oc (cuz I suck a drawing animals) and gave it to a maker to make a fursuit out of it, would they decline and say “No, I can do that because that’s someone else’s art” or would they make me a suit? I’m only wondering this because a found a free base and simply just retraced it (to make the lines bolder) and colored it and now I want a fursuit head of it.
A lot of makers will actually encourage you to use a free to use t-pose base because it's he clearest and easier to reference. Any maker who shames you for using a base is shitty
as long as its 100% free to use and the colors arent a copy of someone elses character, go wild!
@@wonkasfavorite That’s the problem tho- I made the character ( My profile pic ) and a couple days later I saw someone with very similar markings as mine but the only differences is that mine a white heart on the back of his brown ear and mine has the teal nose and toe beans
@@JustaEquestrian0091 i mean, no ill intentions? accidental copies can happen, as long as it wasnt intentional you should be fine tbh
@@wonkasfavorite Yes it was accidental
03:56 aahhh~ that's so funny!
Neffertity is do funny like you just,
I can't say anything😂😂
Note on number 8: I've had this happen before with parts that I was asked to make, but someone once asked me to make a bodysuit to go with their matching head and offered to send me swatches of the furs they used and everything, but the reference they sent me was WAY too complicated (as per how it goes), being a super small underground maker I offered to remake their ref sheet more fursuit friendly for free (because I'm personable like that, obviously I don't do this anymore and sadly have to punish the whole class because of this one person), they were SUPER cool with that so I spent days remaking this 3 angle ref sheet, they were super communicative the whole time telling me what they liked/didn't like or what parts of the design they wanted to keep etc, and after I sent them the digital file for their FREE ref sheet they discontinued the conversation and I never heard from them again. 🥴 I can only imagine they took my beautiful free ref sheet and commissioned other art with it because I never EVER saw it again. I was so heartbroken over my hard work (at the time) that I took it off my social medias. Super sad deal. I think they just wanted a free ref sheet that wasn't drawn from a base. I had in my bios that ref sheets come with the suits I make because I was trying to promote my artwork as MUCH as possible. I don't care as much now lol, if someone likes my stuff and wants to talk about it that's cool but if not I'm over here doing my own thing for me. Taking commissions proved to be so much of a hassle that I only do gift artwork or stuff for friends and family now. 😭
I never thought my two favorite makers would be in one vid!!!!! Awesome!!!
amazing editing job, gosh Neffy (I've never seen this suit before clearly I'm missing out on good stuff) your suit looks so cute and smiley and bright. Your guys's suits go together so well with Skye's lighter design and Neffy's darker, brighter design. Wonderful video
I LOVE how neffertity just said "I Just WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH"
and also... a customer i had was a friend of me and she asked me for a free tail and i said no and she was like PLEEEEAAAAASEEEEEE we are BFFS
Im in and out of the furry fandom alot, so when I saw Neffertity my brain went to work to figure out who they were, I knew the name so well, but it was on the tip of a braincell lmfao I knew the moment I looked their name up
Yo congrats to me for my 2 favorite fursuit makers doing a callable!
I would love to see air conditioning in fursuits but there are lots of problems involved
1, size 2, weight 3, noise 4, power 5, cold air distribution 6, hot air dissipation 7, unit placement
Probably the best you could do is a moderately powerful exhaust fan on the head with hidden vents lower on the body to draw cooler air up through the suit and exhaust warmer air. Or hide something like a papr in the suit's design.
With either one battery weight would be the limiting factor.
(this is my opinion btw) Not to mention, when people say something like “ oh that looks nice but if I were you, I would do this” well, are you me? No
No dislikes. Keep it that way
2 awesome makers with awesome tutorials. Also when are we gonna see Skye’s new head in videos? I always change my ref when anything (even small stuff) changes.
I only use Free to use sheets for my fursonas i dont change colours at all i colour it all white if its coloured so then i can make my own fursona.
Such a cute duo! Hard to not smile watching you two :)
Rewatching this video after spending WAY to much time on Skye's website I'm so glad she's addressed almost all of this on it.
I think people trace free-to-use bases because they don't have the right tools to just color it in as it is or maybe they wanted to make a change that wasn't on the original one so they traced it.
Thankyou for sharing, I have been a hardedge model maker for film/TV for many years and decided to make a fur suit as my first foray in to costuming. Australians are familiar with the kangaroo from the movie kangaroo jack as that is what my design is based on. Wondering how people in the community view a fiberglass head base rather than using foam?
sometimes (and when i say sometimes i mean maybe once bc im a lazy artist just tryna get a pattern down) i trace free to use bases but still always trace the credit and their stuff, usually just bc a lot of them arent transparent or dont translate well or are really low quality so i just trace the lines and tbh its way easier than trying to color on the same layer, and it just looks bad lol like u can clearly see what was added
about the tracing the bases,
a while ago i did not know how to insert a base so i would trace the base but still give credit to the base maker and then colour it,
but now i have learned how to insert a base
Excellent video! Also could do with a "10 things fursuit commissioners should do" sequel video to this, like research faux fur colour availability (spent a year tracking down the exact AliExpress listing for the specific colour of my fullsuit), be involved with the shaping process by providing suggestions on how to achieve out-there ideas (ie: sketching wing mechanisms and such for the fursuit maker so that they have a better idea of what functionality you want), and most importantly: *don't nag.* Fursuits take time to be made!
Yay,two of my fav furries doing a collab
“You look just like telephone!” 1. Colorblind, 2. Maybe because… they’re the same species…????? Just a hunch tho.
7:04 boi forgot hes not asking a proto maker
I mean it wouldve been perfect IF THEY HAD ENOUGH TALENT TO MAKE THEMSELVES A SUIT :)
Oooooooooo
First of all, thank you so much for this video! I will be submitting my FIRST EVER fursuit order on wednesday, so I'm gonna use this as a 'how not to act' video and just do the opposite of the people you both encountered.
Also your suits are both SUPER CUTE!
... I do confess though when I was in high school, I WAS going to try and order a suit that went from bipedal digitigrade to quadsuit if I bent over before realizing that would be wicked hard XD Maybe one day I'll try and make something like that myself! But commissioning a maker? Nah, not putting them through that lol
She take her time makeing fursuit i kinda take alot of time making fursuit still working on my fox fursuit
3:57 that part ✨BUEAW✨
I think what certain furries don’t understand is that artists are… well, artists. There’s a certain way of thinking what art is, and artist expectations within the furry fandom. I understand it’s very stressful, but from what I observe a lot of yall are doing an amazing job! Just keep focusing on your development and have fun with it
Perfection is easier said than done.
I love the fact that I learnd my new idol bc you posted this
No but serously that dragon fursuit is the cutest
I'd love to get a fursuit head and paws but always nervous I'ma ask for too much. Also even if there are imperfections I understand why some people my look at it and complain but it's rude to tear into it. Be blessed the creator of the fursuit took the time and effort to make the wonderful creation ^w^
I don't really care about perfection you guys are good at it to be honest.
i will make sure to keep all of this in mind when i commotion my fursona to a fursuit maker!! this was very helpful and i hope both you have a wonderful day!! or night!! :3
So I have a question! I'm making a fursuit head and I was wondering if you have any tips with furring and carving the face (without a sewing machine or any power tools)!!
3:45 time stamped is so funny😂. Like “LXKHTDSAX, DO YOU HAVE EYEBALLS?!?! AAARRRGGGGGHHHH!”😂
Omg I never thought I would see 2 of my fav furries on YT in the same video! :D
This was the sweetest collar ever oml!!