Any progress is welcome! My local shop can do pony blocks, but they have a challenge to fit them in. Maybe time for the Squatch lathe learns how to bore cylinders! I know I would try it.Good luck!
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You need to talk to Adam Booth or Keith Fenner or Keith Rucker here on youtube. They have real machine shops that can do all sorts of boring operations outside the limits of standard auto shop oriented machines. Fenner in particular does really oddball boring jobs.
Hi Squatch, sorry to hear about your block problems. I know exactly what you're saying about the difficulties of splitting work in the summer. I got back into the shop today to do some work on the MD, and it's hard to switch gears back and forth. I agree with going forward with the undercarriage work as time allows in the summer, and then get into the more complicated pony motor work this winter. Best to do the complicated work when you can devote your full attention to it.
I am sure Brian Block could recut the bores on his horizontal boring machine that may be a option and if need to ship stuff fastenal stores are a excellent way to ship heavy parts and pieces I have used there shipping service over the years.
You need a machine shop that uses an old Van Norman boring bar that attaches to the block at the head surface. Check out the shop that Davin uses for Hagerty. They use a Van Norman boring bar. They are in the Traverse city MI area.
I could handle all the work on these blocks no problem. Sucks about the cracks in the original block that is a lot of extra work. I would probably be more keen to fix the messed up thrust surface. Since you have multiples could even try weld buildups and stress relieve in my oven afterwards and put back exactly like original or fabricate a repair insert if wanted to do the safer route. You could probably find a viewer willing to haul to Kentucky or they ship stuff everyday. :-) Shoot me an email if you want me to tackle them.
you might be interested in my reply also.. Pony Pony Pony.. old red needs reviving. do you have enough track rollers . i replied earlier about why not get some water jet discs cut out and turn them to shape. and machine up stepped spacers to go between them to press or thread and pin them onto.. spin them up on a drill press to allow a torch to heat the surface then dunk them to harden the surface for wear..
@@waynep343 Good idea.. We have a few vendors in our area that do laser metal cutting that can be a bit more precise than fluid cutting, but either way, this would be an affordable way to recreate the rollers.
To affirm what more than a few folks articulated before me, Squach, you will never bore me, do what you have to do and I will be more than happy to follow along. Thanks for all your effort.
@@TheOtherBill Try re-watch video and listen to what he said about too tall for their boring machine this has to down feed bar tool and smaller cutter attachment which much longer then the standard cutter head keep in mind not all cylinder boring machine are same so what need is sometime like a portable cylinder boring machine
Good luck with the pony motor! My opinion would be to continue with the under carriage. I thank you for giving all the rest of us the opportunity to see what it is like to rehab an entire D2 !!!
What’s a serial reality show without a little bit of drama? Do whatever you feel is best. Lots of us have been with you from the start. The outpouring of support down the page is testament to that. With you all the way!
I worked at JLG for almost 5 years, we build aerial lifts and scissor lifts. I worked in the machine shop and ran a vertical mill and a horizontal mill. The 5 axis vertical mill I ran could have easy bored this for you - we had boring bars that long. Or, the machine could do a half bore and then the table would turn 180 degrees and having set for any offset, it could do the other half of the job. But, you may not have wanted to drive to central PA for such work. Love your videos.
I had a similar problem boring a cylinder in an oil field one lung engine. The solution I came up with was to bolt the block to the cross slide of the lathe we had and put the boring bar in the chuck of the lathe. It was an adjustable boring head that you could increase the swing on by .001" and the speed was controlled by the chuck speed of the lathe. I shimmed the block to center the height and adjusted the cross feed for the back and forth. The advance to bore the cylinder was the cross slide feed on the lathe and it turned out quite good for a jury rig.
We enjoy watching whatever you do. I vote that you box up the blocks and send them to Brian Bloc, he can set them up on his HBM and clean those bored up. Then next winter you can wrap up the D2. Appreciate what you do!
As a mechanic by trade and a property owner also, I enjoy all your videos. I’m all to aware of what you do spend your time on. We will definitely watch whatever you post for sure!
Thanks for the update. Never I knew I loved old CAT crawlers till I found your channel. As I understand life doesn't always play along with your plans I'm just glad your able to make any kind of progress.
Another You Tuber (Abom79) is a third generation machinist and runs a custom machine shop along the Gulf Coast. He has a number of videos on his channel where he completes odd and one-off types of projects. He might know of a shop that can solve your machining issues on the pony motors.
Like David Fuller, I find your meticulous work, your detailed and articulate explanations and understated Midwest personality worth watching whatever the topic. Please remember that you are doing this work and sharing it with the world as a form of recreation, at the same time that you are working a full-time job and trying to restore your land to a working farm. Remember that we don't own our possessions, they own us. It is not worth getting stressed out over. I spent thirty years working very long hours in an exacting profession, the stress from which, together with Lyme disease carried by a tick bite, ruined my health and forced me to retire at age 52. Take care of yourself first. One possibility-- which I am sure would cause you to grit your teeth-- would be to put together a "temporary" pony motor using the parts you have, just to test the diesel. Then go back next winter and come up with a permanent solution. Another possibility would be to contact the CAD-CAM machinist social media community and explore the possibility of using a CAD system to scan one of your standard size pistons, use the computer to add .020 diameter and either use 3-D printing to make a mold that could be used to cast a batch of .020-over pistons or CAM to machine a batch of such pistons, for which there might well be a ready market that could offset much of the cost of the project. Keith Rucker, www.vintagemachinery.org, is a very active TH-camr who has used CAD to create molds to cast replacements for obsolete parts and might be interesting in working with you on such a project. More broadly, having watched CAD-CAM used to create improved versions of Chrysler hemi blocks and parts from the 1960's that can withstand incredible stresses in drag racing and tractor pulling, I wonder if this might be a way to keep making parts for antique machines like the D-2 even if the original parts are basically no longer available or repairable.
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@@squatch253 After back surgery that went sideways,I was more than 60 pounds overweight,looked and felt awful. Lucked out on a job requiring walking sizeable parking lots,it took 6 months,but I walked all of that weight off. Daily exercise is crucial in maintaining long term health. Other medical surprises may kill you,but no exercise will kill you early. And you cannot bail out a body after 40 by rowing once a week. Steady job and exercise you describe, those are central. Everything else is secondary. Make sure you are taking extra vitamin D daily. Cheapest and best so far to minimize CV-19 troubles. Multiple research confirms that. A shop with flycutters suitable for VW Bug or Porsche engines should be able to accommodate those engine blocks. Dune buggies aren't big in your area,but are elsewhere. Maybe that would work. Cobble one engine together,rebuild that 1st gen block to meticulous spec,get on with reassembly,then swap in the 1st gen at the end of the project. However you choose,all the best.
@@squatch253 so, your videos got me into tractors and now reading your post above I feel like I should also start running again. I think...I think you've become an influencer 🤔
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It's your channel and you know what the beat next step is to make on this rebuild. As for videos it doesn't matter if its a rebuild or a field video i/we will watch them.
I think most of us understand whats at foot here. The starting engines are a big project...id say just make them the last series in the build. Your projects outside will fill in just fine for the summer videos. But regardless id say just use whatever block is the least headache to assemble. Its gonna be a awsome build none the less....and time....we have plenty of!!! Anyone who loves this channel as much as we do will understand the delays...
Portable line boring machine, it's far easier than you think it is. Honestly, film the making of the boring bar. I really don't care which way you decide to go, will watch no matter what. Cheers :)
Hi Squatch, Rome wasn't built in a day so stop putting yourself under pressure we are not going anywhere. Maintenance and administration around the house comes first, and as they say, "when the sun shines make hay" keep up the good work. Mick 👍🍻
Squatch in my area in New York there's a machine shop called Dyson racing machine shop. They build high end performance motors and still work on lesser performance motors with high performance quality. Look them up. Rich is the man
It's a big project and these things take time, certainly understandable why you want to start the engine before putting the rest of it back together, I'll watch whatever you can record
I'd say, do what you feel like working on right now. Nice weather is a premium for us northerners, get out and enjoy it every chance you get. The D2 will still be there this winter. Good rainy day project for the summer. Bring on the field work and equipment shed or anything else you want to share :)
@@squatch253 I know another TH-camr that has the machinery and ability to fix those blocks for you. VERY talented guy! th-cam.com/video/PlIFru8IIpo/w-d-xo.html
Completely agree. Head out to your fields Squatch! The undercarriage work on rainy days... and circle back to the pesky starting engines when winter gets here. Remember, last year you helped Senior almost the entire summer with the Super M, don't think viewership dropped at all !!
Bummer man!!! I was hoping to finally see this thing in the field working it’s ass off but I’ll keep watching whatever you put out. Look forward to the day 1113 is back to work
3:35 Send that to a non-automotive machineshop with an HBM or just regular horizontal mill. It would be a piece of cake for those guys. Hell, you could even do it on a bridgeport hanging it off the table with a big angle plate. Personally, sleeving first doesn't make sense. I'd think gouging out and brazing a crack would be done before boring to size for a sleeve. Doing it after could distort the sleeve. Unless I misunderstood you.
Brian Bloc has a milling machine that I think is big enough to do the boring. Trick is how to get them there. Maybe some collaboration to transport. Edit: I see further down in the comments now someone tagged Brian's channel. Great minds think alike.
I read down through most of the comments, and the theme I gathered was to do what you feel most comfortable with. Summer time will take most of your time with the property. Day job would need to be a priority. A TH-cam Collaboration with any of the mentioned machinist would be awesome.
I'd echo what some others have hinted at: surely there is someone with a horizontal boring machine who can easily bore your blocks for the sleeves you have. I wouldn't worry about the switch to the undercarriage - your channel, your priorities, but I would think that while you're doing that, sending the 666 block out to a shop with a big horizontal boring mill would be worth the effort.
I enjoy all of your content. Do what ever is the best decision for your time. We have watched this far. If it takes another year to get it together then so be it.
here's an idea put your boring bar in your chuck remove your toolpost from your carriage mount the engine block to your cross slide as the boring bar spins slowly feed your block in
Thanks and welcome aboard! I always remind everyone who is new here that I’ve got 3 different playlists for this D2, covering the diesel engine rebuild, the starting system rebuild, and the chassis rebuild. Just click on the “playlists” tab and you’ll find them all in one place 👍
@squatch253 I've been on board for a few months. I try to leave comments frequently to help you with the TH-cam algorithm and shoe my appreciation. My problem has been trying to figure out which playlist to follow first. They are all great.
Your videos are an inspiration for my own restoration (1945 David Brown not D2!) and I am very happy to wait until you are able to publish more. Don't rush just to feed TH-cam.
I said this when this problem was first mentioned. I Brian did the boring then everything else could be carried out locally. I'd be happy to chip in some $ towards shipping costs.
Agree. A two pronged attack. Get Brian to do the machine work. You get the under carriage done over the summer. Come the fall you can start assembling everything.
I am certain I am not the only person who rewatched this episode in preparation for the return to the Tri-build. Can’t wait to find out what decisions you have made!!
parallel the the work - bore the 1st block at some fancy pants shop, cross your fingers hope for the best - in parallel do under carriage. If that work no time lost on tool building. Tough spot - good luck.
Whatever you want to video and upload I’ll be happy watching and learning from. Don’t put too much pressure on yourself to have regular content, got to keep it fun for you, I’d say the core of your audience will be patient. Having said that I love the starting engine stuff as I have one in pieces for my D4.. My bores are worn too.. was hoping to put it together out of spec and see if it runs.. now thinking maybe I should sleeve it too.. decisions! Thanks for all your efforts and detail!
Wait on the starting engines and new opportunities will surface, I hope. Meanwhile, continue with the undercarriage. It's good to see progress, even if you're on hold with the starting engines. That said, I'm sure you're itching to get outside and started on those projects too.
First and foremost this is your channel not mine so do as you please. I will still support this channel either way. There are other youtuber machine shops that could probable help with boring out these blocks. If you need help with funds to ship them out ask. I am sure there would be many of us that would put money into a go fund me.
I’m rebuilding my D2 pony motor right now too. I’m located in western North Carolina and couldn’t find a local shop that had the equipment to bore out the cylinders either. I called around asking if they have a boring bar setup that could handle the 18” height and that 2 3/4 cylinder diameter. I FINALLY found a shop in batesburg SC, about 2 hours away. I’ll let you know how it turns out. But I bought new custom .020 oversized pistons from an Australian company Nornda Automotive JP0154. This might be another option for you.
Hey there been watching all your videos for a long time now , I see your boaring problem back hear In the UK a pal of mine used to have a mini boaring bar I believe made by norbar ( I think that's right ) he had a stand you mounted it on for boaring motorcycle cylinders but this was also possible to mount directly to a block to boar any thing , now I know this was designed so you could boar a block in situ all it required was a couple of good head studs to clamp down , another pal of mine borrowed this bar and reboared a Mercedes 6 cylinder in situ , hopefully some one out there in your part of the world has one of these , good luck I hope you can get this done
Sounds like an APB for starting engine parts. Whatever you continue with, I will watch. By you overcoming obstacles shows we as viewers and rebuilders that nothing is impossible. My summer build is a 1939 Massey Harris Pony. It’s my first attempt at rebuilding old farm/ construction equipment. As you solve problems and move ahead it keeps my confidence up knowing I can do this too.
I support whatever decision you end up making. I like all the channel content and plan to continuing supporting the channel with membership regardless of what you decide with the d2 build. I’d say you need to make the decisions that will best end with the machine you want and minimize the compromises you make to areas where you have no other choices...
I wonder whether that block would fit on Dave Richards’ line boring machine? A collaboration with the Old Steam Powered Machine Shop would be pretty cool. We could all chip in for the expensive shipping to see that.
That's who I thought of, too. Don't know if Keith Rutger would be able to do this or not. Someone with a horizontal boring machine would be more likely to do the job.
@@duaneledford2590 Easily. It's not a job for line boring since there is no room out the back side, just single ended boring. Keith could do it on his ordinary horizontal mill. Dave Richards machine would do one 5x that size.
Possible possibilities? 1) Mount the block to a suitable sized lathe to spin the block, and bore it out using standard tooling, or perhaps a boring bar mounted in the tailstock. Slow speed is the key to accuracy. Honing would clean it up. You could pay a machine shop to do this on a proper sized lathe. 2) Find a small offshore piston company to make a small run of .010 -.060 pistons. With .010 oversized, you could buy a “real hone” (Lisle 15000) and bore it yourself. Only because of the machine shop issues. 3) Possible offshore new blocks in India or Pakistan. Better than no blocks at all. 4) Any existing pistons out there that could be modified to work? Desperate times may require extreme creativity. Thanks!
Toby it doesn't matter what you do it all has to be done sooner or later!! And we are always looking for your videos even if it was just to say howdy!! You could set the general block up in Sr,s mill and bore that main journal!! And sleeve it to size. That would work very well! Bearing locker to make sure it doesn't move . And can you find a 0.010 under bearing???? 😊😊😊👍👍👍👍 Just some ideas!! I'm sure you will get more !
Man. Shelve the starter blocks for sure. I bet the answer pops into your head while doing "outside" work. Such a great place for letting the mind do its magic. Question: what's the "oil feed" looking plumbing in the top of the -666 block that are just blank bosses in the later castings? I probably missed that in an earlier video! Thanks for all the fantastic content!
Thanks for the update on the ponies,,,,with all those cans of worms you may want to just go fishing,,,I’ll sit back and watch whatever you want to do,,,help if i could 🤕🤕,,,,not boring,,interesting,,,😍thanks,,🇺🇸
Around here the rebuild shops have portable boring machines that mount on the face of the block, they usually bore the block still in the car. It would work easy on your starting block. They use them on v8, 6, compressor blocks, etc.
Would love to see the ponymotor but I understand...Summer is here...You have too do what you have too do..I will watch anything..So I cant wait to see the D -2 done but Im not going anywheres. LOL...HAHA..
Hang in there.....patience, perseverance, and personal work ethics are your strongest character traits....and of course....you have the undying loyalty of your fans!
Take your time with the starting engines and don't cut corners. I'd be happy to see the undercarriages being reworked during summer. And good luck finding a decent engine workshop that is able to bore the blocks for the liners!
There’s a LOT of very capable prototype machine shops in the cities capable of doing the boring on those blocks. Check out Craft Pattern and Mold. You don’t need an engine building specific machine shop. They do all kinds of work for OEM Ag. companies.
Squatch, I stumbled upon your channel a couple years ago, and I have enjoyed all the content but I'm not doing the D2. So is just one member of your audience, I would recommend that you just go enjoy your life and put out content as you see fit and are able to. I'm in no rush to see this thing come together but let me tell you I do enjoy watching it.
I'd love to see the starter engines progress but I understand the issues at hand and at that thought i had an image of you working on those bores on the Bridgeport and moveing on from there but I know it's tough and I know that fleet pride used to have bore machines that could accommodate the height of the block bore depth but no matter which way you go there you are hindsight is still 20/20. And foresight is cloudier than ever.
Hi Toby you have quite the problem there, one that I am sure you will fix. Being a person who has about five percent of you expertise, here is my two cents worth. As one fellow stated it is you shop, we are here to cheer you on, but how hard are the starter engines to find, perhaps if you shot a smoke signal out someone will have what is needed, I.e. a good devils starter. Either way take a big breathe and relax for half an hour or so. We will be here for support, so sir we will wait and watch. Cheers from your Aussie mate.
Like many others have commented, I’ll watch whatever you put on your channel. I would say concentrate on the undercarriage and wait to see what turns up for the starting engines. Also your life shouldn’t be dictated by the whims of us TH-camr’s! Do the outdoor work you need/want to do! I believe that the vast majority of your subscribers are going to stick with you no matter what you do! That certainly includes me. Keep up the good work!
Toby, For the years I watch and listened to you and Papa Saq., you know what need to do to fix the sleeve issue. I hate to see you use anything but the "Satan Special" block. I am the numbers original type of restore too. If you only fell comfortable driving to the shop, I bet you going go to Milwaukee or Minneapolis/St Paul for shops that work on marine or large bore diesel engines. Anyways, Use the Satan Special! Keep up the go work.
Why don’t you contact a company like CP and have a couple custom pistons made? I think they will do fairly small batch orders, I worked with them a few years back on getting 2 custom ATV pistons made, they would do as little as 2 per order at that time. You can send them your old piston and basically just tell them what you want if there is any changes needed (larger bore than std)
Do what you need to do and in the order you feel best. We'll watch you doing anything at all. My thoughts on starting engines--given the trouble to which you have gone previously to use first-gen parts, I think you will regret it if you don't salvage the 4B666 block. Modern crack repairs are just about bulletproof. A collaboration with Brian Block would be fantastic for your viewers, and of the TH-cam machinists mentioned he is the one who could best do the job. Keith Rucker's horizontal boring machine is small and (if I understand correctly) not yet fully functional , and Adam Booth does not have an HBM.
I've had good luck with car engine machine work at Total Engine Service in Bloomington. Another shop that gets good reviews from friends and family is Wagamon Brothers in northeast Minneapolis. I'd give both a call to see if they can do your sleeving.
Park those starting engine blocks for now and carry on with the undercarridge for now, you will come across a place to install those sleeves in due time i'm sure. Been curious to see how good of shape the undercarridge is as most from my area are totally worn out as they were not used as draw bar tractors
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I watch any thing you put on here whether its engines or undercarriage
I like seeing what makes these things work.
@@357bullfrog9 same here!👍
Any progress is welcome! My local shop can do pony blocks, but they have a challenge to fit them in. Maybe time for the Squatch lathe learns how to bore cylinders! I know I would try it.Good luck!
Its your channel and you should do what motivates you - thats why we watch. Sticking with you no matter which way you go.
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You need to talk to Adam Booth or Keith Fenner or Keith Rucker here on youtube. They have real machine shops that can do all sorts of boring operations outside the limits of standard auto shop oriented machines. Fenner in particular does really oddball boring jobs.
Hi Squatch, sorry to hear about your block problems. I know exactly what you're saying about the difficulties of splitting work in the summer. I got back into the shop today to do some work on the MD, and it's hard to switch gears back and forth. I agree with going forward with the undercarriage work as time allows in the summer, and then get into the more complicated pony motor work this winter. Best to do the complicated work when you can devote your full attention to it.
I am sure Brian Block could recut the bores on his horizontal boring machine that may be a option and if need to ship stuff fastenal stores are a excellent way to ship heavy parts and pieces I have used there shipping service over the years.
My first thought: Stock sleeves and wrap a beer can around the piston.
Perfect!!
Now that's funny.
Now you got his eye twitching!!
@@squatch253 You already have a beer can sleeveeee... :))
@@rolandmohler2695 shoot got my eye twitching now.
...and , remember to mix in some Beer with the Engine Oil !!!
You need a machine shop that uses an old Van Norman boring bar that attaches to the block at the head surface. Check out the shop that Davin uses for Hagerty. They use a Van Norman boring bar. They are in the Traverse city MI area.
I would sit and watch paint dry on your videos. Lol. Whatever you choose is good with me and your fans.
I could handle all the work on these blocks no problem. Sucks about the cracks in the original block that is a lot of extra work. I would probably be more keen to fix the messed up thrust surface. Since you have multiples could even try weld buildups and stress relieve in my oven afterwards and put back exactly like original or fabricate a repair insert if wanted to do the safer route. You could probably find a viewer willing to haul to Kentucky or they ship stuff everyday. :-) Shoot me an email if you want me to tackle them.
Good luck figuring out the pony motor issues!! Im sure that is quite frustrating!! Thanks for the update!
you might be interested in my reply also.. Pony Pony Pony.. old red needs reviving. do you have enough track rollers . i replied earlier about why not get some water jet discs cut out and turn them to shape. and machine up stepped spacers to go between them to press or thread and pin them onto.. spin them up on a drill press to allow a torch to heat the surface then dunk them to harden the surface for wear..
@@waynep343 Good idea.. We have a few vendors in our area that do laser metal cutting that can be a bit more precise than fluid cutting, but either way, this would be an affordable way to recreate the rollers.
You're probably better off concentrating on the undercarriage for now and save the starting engines later on.:-)
To affirm what more than a few folks articulated before me, Squach, you will never bore me, do what you have to do and I will be more than happy to follow along. Thanks for all your effort.
He's a long way away but Brian Block in Tennessee could probably do everything you need.
First thing I thought of when he mentioned "too tall for their boring machine" was "I know of a guy with a horizontal boring machine".
@@TheOtherBill Try re-watch video and listen to what he said about too tall for their boring machine this has to down feed bar tool and smaller cutter attachment which much longer then the standard cutter head keep in mind not all cylinder boring machine are same so what need is sometime like a portable cylinder boring machine
@@SHSPVR I got that, what I was saying is it can be done with a horizontal boring machine and Brian has a large one.
@@TheOtherBill I never saw any do that way unless there line boring the the main or cam.
Bagdad.......Kentucky, not Tennessee.
Good luck with the pony motor! My opinion would be to continue with the under carriage. I thank you for giving all the rest of us the opportunity to see what it is like to rehab an entire D2 !!!
What’s a serial reality show without a little bit of drama? Do whatever you feel is best. Lots of us have been with you from the start. The outpouring of support down the page is testament to that.
With you all the way!
I worked at JLG for almost 5 years, we build aerial lifts and scissor lifts. I worked in the machine shop and ran a vertical mill and a horizontal mill. The 5 axis vertical mill I ran could have easy bored this for you - we had boring bars that long. Or, the machine could do a half bore and then the table would turn 180 degrees and having set for any offset, it could do the other half of the job. But, you may not have wanted to drive to central PA for such work. Love your videos.
I had a similar problem boring a cylinder in an oil field one lung engine. The solution I came up with was to bolt the block to the cross slide of the lathe we had and put the boring bar in the chuck of the lathe. It was an adjustable boring head that you could increase the swing on by .001" and the speed was controlled by the chuck speed of the lathe. I shimmed the block to center the height and adjusted the cross feed for the back and forth. The advance to bore the cylinder was the cross slide feed on the lathe and it turned out quite good for a jury rig.
I will watch anything you put on the channel
We enjoy watching whatever you do. I vote that you box up the blocks and send them to Brian Bloc, he can set them up on his HBM and clean those bored up. Then next winter you can wrap up the D2. Appreciate what you do!
As a mechanic by trade and a property owner also, I enjoy all your videos. I’m all to aware of what you do spend your time on. We will definitely watch whatever you post for sure!
I am a retired carpenter up in Canada and have no idea as to what you should do. I just like the videos.
Thanks for the update. Never I knew I loved old CAT crawlers till I found your channel. As I understand life doesn't always play along with your plans I'm just glad your able to make any kind of progress.
Another You Tuber (Abom79) is a third generation machinist and runs a custom machine shop along the Gulf Coast. He has a number of videos on his channel where he completes odd and one-off types of projects. He might know of a shop that can solve your machining issues on the pony motors.
You're lucky to get rain - we (NW Iowa) think it forgot how. Super video Toby, thank you for such caring explanations.
Like David Fuller, I find your meticulous work, your detailed and articulate explanations and understated Midwest personality worth watching whatever the topic.
Please remember that you are doing this work and sharing it with the world as a form of recreation, at the same time that you are working a full-time job and trying to restore your land to a working farm. Remember that we don't own our possessions, they own us. It is not worth getting stressed out over. I spent thirty years working very long hours in an exacting profession, the stress from which, together with Lyme disease carried by a tick bite, ruined my health and forced me to retire at age 52. Take care of yourself first.
One possibility-- which I am sure would cause you to grit your teeth-- would be to put together a "temporary" pony motor using the parts you have, just to test the diesel. Then go back next winter and come up with a permanent solution.
Another possibility would be to contact the CAD-CAM machinist social media community and explore the possibility of using a CAD system to scan one of your standard size pistons, use the computer to add .020 diameter and either use 3-D printing to make a mold that could be used to cast a batch of .020-over pistons or CAM to machine a batch of such pistons, for which there might well be a ready market that could offset much of the cost of the project. Keith Rucker, www.vintagemachinery.org, is a very active TH-camr who has used CAD to create molds to cast replacements for obsolete parts and might be interesting in working with you on such a project.
More broadly, having watched CAD-CAM used to create improved versions of Chrysler hemi blocks and parts from the 1960's that can withstand incredible stresses in drag racing and tractor pulling, I wonder if this might be a way to keep making parts for antique machines like the D-2 even if the original parts are basically no longer available or repairable.
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Steady job and exercise you describe, those are central. Everything else is secondary.
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A shop with flycutters suitable for VW Bug or Porsche engines should be able to accommodate those engine blocks. Dune buggies aren't big in your area,but are elsewhere. Maybe that would work.
Cobble one engine together,rebuild that 1st gen block to meticulous spec,get on with reassembly,then swap in the 1st gen at the end of the project.
However you choose,all the best.
@@squatch253 tremendous, Squatch. Once again you have shown the way.
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@@squatch253 so, your videos got me into tractors and now reading your post above I feel like I should also start running again. I think...I think you've become an influencer 🤔
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Wow, so many engines and so many small things. Best of luck! Love the work you do.
It's your channel and you know what the beat next step is to make on this rebuild. As for videos it doesn't matter if its a rebuild or a field video i/we will watch them.
I think most of us understand whats at foot here. The starting engines are a big project...id say just make them the last series in the build. Your projects outside will fill in just fine for the summer videos. But regardless id say just use whatever block is the least headache to assemble.
Its gonna be a awsome build none the less....and time....we have plenty of!!!
Anyone who loves this channel as much as we do will understand the delays...
Portable line boring machine, it's far easier than you think it is.
Honestly, film the making of the boring bar. I really don't care which way you decide to go, will watch no matter what. Cheers :)
Thank you for the update Toby!
I know it's no real help, but I'm content to just keep watching! Whichever you choose to do will suit me fine! :-)
Hi Squatch, Rome wasn't built in a day so stop putting yourself under pressure we are not going anywhere. Maintenance and administration around the house comes first, and as they say, "when the sun shines make hay" keep up the good work. Mick 👍🍻
Do what you want, I’m going to watch no matter what.
Thankyou for changing your upload time. It's better for here in Australia i love the series.
Check out Dave Richards steam powered machine shop he bores long dimension holes and install sleeves all the time no worries!
It’s your channel, do what you want. I’ll follow whether engine or undercarriage. Loving this D2
Squatch in my area in New York there's a machine shop called Dyson racing machine shop. They build high end performance motors and still work on lesser performance motors with high performance quality. Look them up. Rich is the man
Follow your twitching eye. Do what makes you happy and keeps you from loosing your mind. Thank you for sharing all of your hard work with us.
It's a big project and these things take time, certainly understandable why you want to start the engine before putting the rest of it back together, I'll watch whatever you can record
I'd say, do what you feel like working on right now. Nice weather is a premium for us northerners, get out and enjoy it every chance you get. The D2 will still be there this winter. Good rainy day project for the summer. Bring on the field work and equipment shed or anything else you want to share :)
Agree 100%
@@squatch253 I know another TH-camr that has the machinery and ability to fix those blocks for you. VERY talented guy! th-cam.com/video/PlIFru8IIpo/w-d-xo.html
@@dans_Learning_Curve yes you are right that gentleman is very talented and I believe he can and has the right tools to bore the block
@@dans_Learning_Curve Another vote for Brian, he's the real deal and that boring mill he has is more than up to the task.
Completely agree. Head out to your fields Squatch! The undercarriage work on rainy days... and circle back to the pesky starting engines when winter gets here. Remember, last year you helped Senior almost the entire summer with the Super M, don't think viewership dropped at all !!
Bummer man!!! I was hoping to finally see this thing in the field working it’s ass off but I’ll keep watching whatever you put out. Look forward to the day 1113 is back to work
Doesn't matter what you decide ultimately, its just interesting to watch your work.
3:35 Send that to a non-automotive machineshop with an HBM or just regular horizontal mill. It would be a piece of cake for those guys. Hell, you could even do it on a bridgeport hanging it off the table with a big angle plate. Personally, sleeving first doesn't make sense. I'd think gouging out and brazing a crack would be done before boring to size for a sleeve. Doing it after could distort the sleeve. Unless I misunderstood you.
Brian Bloc has a milling machine that I think is big enough to do the boring. Trick is how to get them there. Maybe some collaboration to transport. Edit: I see further down in the comments now someone tagged Brian's channel. Great minds think alike.
Fastenal shipping.
I look forward to each of your episodes. I’m addicted so I need my hits. Please continue with anything / everything.
Brian Block is the man you need to sleeve those blocks.
I read down through most of the comments, and the theme I gathered was to do what you feel most comfortable with. Summer time will take most of your time with the property. Day job would need to be a priority. A TH-cam Collaboration with any of the mentioned machinist would be awesome.
I'd echo what some others have hinted at: surely there is someone with a horizontal boring machine who can easily bore your blocks for the sleeves you have. I wouldn't worry about the switch to the undercarriage - your channel, your priorities, but I would think that while you're doing that, sending the 666 block out to a shop with a big horizontal boring mill would be worth the effort.
I enjoy all of your content. Do what ever is the best decision for your time. We have watched this far. If it takes another year to get it together then so be it.
here's an idea put your boring bar in your chuck remove your toolpost from your carriage mount the engine block to your cross slide as the boring bar spins slowly feed your block in
Keep cranking and reporting on all projects and activities for us; we're starving for knowledge and entertainment.
I, like most of your fans, am in it for the long haul. Your instincts and production seemed to have worked so far........... .
This a great series I've only recently stumbled across. Loving every episode.
Thanks and welcome aboard! I always remind everyone who is new here that I’ve got 3 different playlists for this D2, covering the diesel engine rebuild, the starting system rebuild, and the chassis rebuild. Just click on the “playlists” tab and you’ll find them all in one place 👍
@squatch253 I've been on board for a few months. I try to leave comments frequently to help you with the TH-cam algorithm and shoe my appreciation. My problem has been trying to figure out which playlist to follow first. They are all great.
Your videos are an inspiration for my own restoration (1945 David Brown not D2!) and I am very happy to wait until you are able to publish more. Don't rush just to feed TH-cam.
Talk to Brian Block, bcbloc02 on here. He might be able to fix you up.
Totally agree, it’s the TH-cam collaboration we’ve all been waiting for 😀
I said this when this problem was first mentioned. I Brian did the boring then everything else could be carried out locally. I'd be happy to chip in some $ towards shipping costs.
Agree. A two pronged attack. Get Brian to do the machine work. You get the under carriage done over the summer. Come the fall you can start assembling everything.
I know I'd chip in a few bucks to help with shipping!
I am certain I am not the only person who rewatched this episode in preparation for the return to the Tri-build. Can’t wait to find out what decisions you have made!!
parallel the the work - bore the 1st block at some fancy pants shop, cross your fingers hope for the best - in parallel do under carriage. If that work no time lost on tool building. Tough spot - good luck.
Whatever you want to video and upload I’ll be happy watching and learning from. Don’t put too much pressure on yourself to have regular content, got to keep it fun for you, I’d say the core of your audience will be patient. Having said that I love the starting engine stuff as I have one in pieces for my D4.. My bores are worn too.. was hoping to put it together out of spec and see if it runs.. now thinking maybe I should sleeve it too.. decisions! Thanks for all your efforts and detail!
I enjoy whatever you care to share. 👍
Wait on the starting engines and new opportunities will surface, I hope. Meanwhile, continue with the undercarriage. It's good to see progress, even if you're on hold with the starting engines. That said, I'm sure you're itching to get outside and started on those projects too.
First and foremost this is your channel not mine so do as you please. I will still support this channel either way.
There are other youtuber machine shops that could probable help with boring out these blocks. If you need help with funds to ship them out ask. I am sure there would be many of us that would put money into a go fund me.
I agree with Scruffy
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I’m rebuilding my D2 pony motor right now too. I’m located in western North Carolina and couldn’t find a local shop that had the equipment to bore out the cylinders either. I called around asking if they have a boring bar setup that could handle the 18” height and that 2 3/4 cylinder diameter. I FINALLY found a shop in batesburg SC, about 2 hours away. I’ll let you know how it turns out. But I bought new custom .020 oversized pistons from an Australian company Nornda Automotive JP0154. This might be another option for you.
I’m sad buddy but I understand do whatever you need to do I’ll be fine whenever you have a video I’m ready thanks for everything buddy
Hey there been watching all your videos for a long time now , I see your boaring problem back hear In the UK a pal of mine used to have a mini boaring bar I believe made by norbar ( I think that's right ) he had a stand you mounted it on for boaring motorcycle cylinders but this was also possible to mount directly to a block to boar any thing , now I know this was designed so you could boar a block in situ all it required was a couple of good head studs to clamp down , another pal of mine borrowed this bar and reboared a Mercedes 6 cylinder in situ , hopefully some one out there in your part of the world has one of these , good luck I hope you can get this done
Sounds like an APB for starting engine parts. Whatever you continue with, I will watch. By you overcoming obstacles shows we as viewers and rebuilders that nothing is impossible. My summer build is a 1939 Massey Harris Pony. It’s my first attempt at rebuilding old farm/ construction equipment. As you solve problems and move ahead it keeps my confidence up knowing I can do this too.
I support whatever decision you end up making. I like all the channel content and plan to continuing supporting the channel with membership regardless of what you decide with the d2 build. I’d say you need to make the decisions that will best end with the machine you want and minimize the compromises you make to areas where you have no other choices...
I wonder whether that block would fit on Dave Richards’ line boring machine? A collaboration with the Old Steam Powered Machine Shop would be pretty cool. We could all chip in for the expensive shipping to see that.
That's who I thought of, too. Don't know if Keith Rutger would be able to do this or not. Someone with a horizontal boring machine would be more likely to do the job.
@@duaneledford2590 Easily. It's not a job for line boring since there is no room out the back side, just single ended boring. Keith could do it on his ordinary horizontal mill. Dave Richards machine would do one 5x that size.
Possible possibilities?
1) Mount the block to a suitable sized lathe to spin the block, and bore it out using standard tooling, or perhaps a boring bar mounted in the tailstock. Slow speed is the key to accuracy. Honing would clean it up. You could pay a machine shop to do this on a proper sized lathe.
2) Find a small offshore piston company to make a small run of .010 -.060 pistons. With .010 oversized, you could buy a “real hone” (Lisle 15000) and bore it yourself. Only because of the machine shop issues.
3) Possible offshore new blocks in India or Pakistan. Better than no blocks at all.
4) Any existing pistons out there that could be modified to work?
Desperate times may require extreme creativity.
Thanks!
Your channel Chief Squatchie, It's aaaall good.
Toby it doesn't matter what you do it all has to be done sooner or later!!
And we are always looking for your videos even if it was just to say howdy!!
You could set the general block up in
Sr,s mill and bore that main journal!!
And sleeve it to size.
That would work very well!
Bearing locker to make sure it doesn't move .
And can you find a 0.010 under bearing????
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Just some ideas!!
I'm sure you will get more !
Man. Shelve the starter blocks for sure. I bet the answer pops into your head while doing "outside" work. Such a great place for letting the mind do its magic. Question: what's the "oil feed" looking plumbing in the top of the -666 block that are just blank bosses in the later castings? I probably missed that in an earlier video! Thanks for all the fantastic content!
Thanks for the update on the ponies,,,,with all those cans of worms you may want to just go fishing,,,I’ll sit back and watch whatever you want to do,,,help if i could 🤕🤕,,,,not boring,,interesting,,,😍thanks,,🇺🇸
Find a shop with the right equipment and let them do the work while you enjoy the great weather.
Around here the rebuild shops have portable boring machines that mount on the face of the block, they usually bore the block still in the car. It would work easy on your starting block. They use them on v8, 6, compressor blocks, etc.
Would love to see the ponymotor but I understand...Summer is here...You have too do what you have too do..I will watch anything..So I cant wait to see the D -2 done but Im not going anywheres. LOL...HAHA..
Hang in there.....patience, perseverance, and personal work ethics are your strongest character traits....and of course....you have the undying loyalty of your fans!
The outside stuff is just as awesome keep up the great work thank you
Take your time with the starting engines and don't cut corners. I'd be happy to see the undercarriages being reworked during summer.
And good luck finding a decent engine workshop that is able to bore the blocks for the liners!
I will take it as it come, you are the decision maker
You make the best decision that works for your time constraints. I enjoy watching the rebuild.
There’s a LOT of very capable prototype machine shops in the cities capable of doing the boring on those blocks. Check out Craft Pattern and Mold. You don’t need an engine building specific machine shop. They do all kinds of work for OEM Ag. companies.
Squatch, I stumbled upon your channel a couple years ago, and I have enjoyed all the content but I'm not doing the D2. So is just one member of your audience, I would recommend that you just go enjoy your life and put out content as you see fit and are able to. I'm in no rush to see this thing come together but let me tell you I do enjoy watching it.
I'd love to see the starter engines progress but I understand the issues at hand and at that thought i had an image of you working on those bores on the Bridgeport and moveing on from there but I know it's tough and I know that fleet pride used to have bore machines that could accommodate the height of the block bore depth but no matter which way you go there you are hindsight is still 20/20. And foresight is cloudier than ever.
dear sir, could i please ask what the CC or the CID is for the pony motor and what sort of BHP does it produce? love to know. with thanks, Jakob....
Like sands thru the hourglass, so are the days of our D2.
Hi Toby you have quite the problem there, one that I am sure you will fix. Being a person who has about five percent of you expertise, here is my two cents worth. As one fellow stated it is you shop, we are here to cheer you on, but how hard are the starter engines to find, perhaps if you shot a smoke signal out someone will have what is needed, I.e. a good devils starter. Either way take a big breathe and relax for half an hour or so. We will be here for support, so sir we will wait and watch. Cheers from your Aussie mate.
Like many others have commented, I’ll watch whatever you put on your channel. I would say concentrate on the undercarriage and wait to see what turns up for the starting engines. Also your life shouldn’t be dictated by the whims of us TH-camr’s! Do the outdoor work you need/want to do! I believe that the vast majority of your subscribers are going to stick with you no matter what you do! That certainly includes me. Keep up the good work!
Toby,
For the years I watch and listened to you and Papa Saq., you know what need to do to fix the sleeve issue.
I hate to see you use anything but the "Satan Special" block. I am the numbers original type of restore too.
If you only fell comfortable driving to the shop, I bet you going go to Milwaukee or Minneapolis/St Paul for shops that work on marine or large bore diesel engines.
Anyways, Use the Satan Special!
Keep up the go work.
Lots of great suggestions and comments about the pony motors.
I vote to continue with the undercarriage
Why don’t you contact a company like CP and have a couple custom pistons made? I think they will do fairly small batch orders, I worked with them a few years back on getting 2 custom ATV pistons made, they would do as little as 2 per order at that time. You can send them your old piston and basically just tell them what you want if there is any changes needed (larger bore than std)
Talk to Jim at PrecisionBilt/Crankshaft Supply in Minneapolis. These guys do all of my 3406 machine work. They certainly have the equipment.
starting engine)s) would be great. Whatever progress, would be great to see.
You do whatever is best for you....thats my thought
Do what you need to do and in the order you feel best. We'll watch you doing anything at all. My thoughts on starting engines--given the trouble to which you have gone previously to use first-gen parts, I think you will regret it if you don't salvage the 4B666 block. Modern crack repairs are just about bulletproof. A collaboration with Brian Block would be fantastic for your viewers, and of the TH-cam machinists mentioned he is the one who could best do the job. Keith Rucker's horizontal boring machine is small and (if I understand correctly) not yet fully functional , and Adam Booth does not have an HBM.
I've had good luck with car engine machine work at Total Engine Service in Bloomington. Another shop that gets good reviews from friends and family is Wagamon Brothers in northeast Minneapolis. I'd give both a call to see if they can do your sleeving.
Park those starting engine blocks for now and carry on with the undercarridge for now, you will come across a place to install those sleeves in due time i'm sure. Been curious to see how good of shape the undercarridge is as most from my area are totally worn out as they were not used as draw bar tractors
What ever you put out Is good with me. Yes I'm ready to hear that engine run. All the rebuild stuff is great to watch.