🚨🤯 K1 Max Unboxing and First Prints (Plus Discount Codes💸)
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In this video I will see how the K1 Max compares to the P1P. K1 Max vs K1. Creality K1 Max vs Bambu Lab P1S P1P X1C AMS Combo Ender 5 S1
Just got mine yesterday. So far its awesome My little boat came out flawless. Can't believe how fast this thing is. At this point it was worth every penny.
I left creality and never looking back. They need to give these away to with coupons since people are ditching them
Bambu labs is definitely more amateur friendly for sure
Curious to see how this printer is holding up. So much controversy behind these things. I own a X1C and need a bigger build volume. Would love to hear your thoughts after 4 months.
Even though this video was obviously rushed, it was a much better overview than the video you did on the K1 (and I was a fairly vocal hater on that video). Wish you would have gone into more detail about why you feel better about the extruder on the K1 Max other than "metallurgy" but if it prints well it prints well. Thanks for the video.
I need to do a teardown and inspect it. After spending hours messing with the K1 extruder I'm almost scared to take apart this K1 Max extruder, but it needs to be done, for science! It is working great though, Everything on the K1 seemed under extruded to me.
About the first K1 vid... You gotta admit, compared to the hacky, highly modular half-baked crap Creality has always made - their new machines have a completely unexpected level of build quality.
My reaction and glowing praise had more to do with the fact that they actually produced a premium-filling machine. I was expecting it to be like the Ender 5 with some decorative panels and a hastily constructed COREXY system, but what we have now is a machine that is actually competitive with the Bambu Lab lineup - which is a completely unexpected turn of events.
Really what I was expecting is for creality to forfeit the high-end of the printer market and focus on making cheap/crappy/modular low budget machines. But they have completely reinvented themselves... Kind of like Chevy making the new Corvette that is more like a European sportscar - going after a completely different market, style, and performance bracket than anyone expected.
Not gonna lie, it was tough receiving all the criticisms from that video, but I don't think I was wrong to be excited about Creality upping their game.
Plus it really puts the heat on Bambu Lab to make even better and more price competitive products. Everybody wins.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I agree that the level of quality was unexpected, and there are a few very important ways in which the K1 is better than any of the Bambu machines. I don't think anyone was wrong in their criticism of your K1 video, but I also don't necessarily think you are wrong to be excited about Creality being a real contender in the scene. What I think happened (I went back and watched your K1 video today) can be simply explained with two things: your excitement biased you in ways that were not immediately obvious to the viewer, and in the editing process of what was obviously a very long recording down to a shorter video many important things were cut which seemed to leave only what seemed like shilling / excuses. And maybe that you lack a bit of experience in the whole TH-cam creator thing; I'd be interested to hear your thoughts in a year on how you feel about the K1 video, what you should've done differently, editing changes, etc.
I'm sure it was difficult to receive the criticism, but I hope that you are (or were) able to revisit the criticism without any sort of defensive mechanism or deflection. I still think that was a deeply flawed video that did not do a good job of communicating where you were coming from, what your expectations were low going into it and how those expectations were shattered with some actual competence, etc. Even just something as simple as like "guys, I might be missing a bunch of glaring issues, but my whole world has been up-ended because I thought this was going to be a dumpster fire of a machine and it's.. it's actually quite good!" or similar statement and legitimately all of my criticism goes away.
These machines at these prices are disruptive, and I agree that's good for all of us. It's good for you as a content creator (both from a content standpoint and from an affiliate link standpoint) and it's good for consumers to have options, drive prices of other things down, motivate competitors to put out better products, etc. I think you said elsewhere that the best time to buy a printer is one year from now, and I 100% agree with that, and it's largely due to the K1 and K1 Max that that is likely true.
Anyway, I am sure there was lots of criticism that you received that was mean-spirited and only looking to shit on you. I hope that the criticism that had valid points doesn't get lost in all of the rampant negativity, because I feel like some of the other comments had some pretty decent detailed points about why we were disappointed. I admit that there are even parts of my own comments where I assumed intent that isn't helpful, and I'm sure it's easy to completely ignore the useful portion of the comment if it ends with something you know to be untrue (since only you know your true intent).
I don't agree with many of your points or conclusions, and that's fine. You've done a much better job (in my opinion, if it means anything) of explaining why you've come to those conclusions in the past few videos, and I can draw different conclusions based on your explanations. I guess what I'm saying is, at least according to one loser on the Internet (me), you're trending in the right direction. I do appreciate the effort that goes into the videos and I wish you well in your endeavors.
I want a K1 Max now but prudence dictates that I wait a couple of months. I'm glad to see that Creality fixed their K1 extruder problem, although another K1 review showed under extrusion and some of the K1 extruder problems manifested after a day or two of printing so the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. I'm not yet convinced that this extruder design will be long term reliable, and that's a requirement for any 3D printer.
Creality must abide by the open source licensing and the best way would be stock Klipper. They should also publish K1 and K1 Max configurations for all popular slicers with all popular filament types, and provide the parameters so any slicer can be easily modified to slice for a K1 or K1 Max. In general, I wish Creality would take better advantage of open source software instead of picking fights with the open source community, and focus more on solid hardware designs that are thoroughly tested before shipping.
It was kind of Creality to include a filament reel as a test print, given that a rear mounted reel on this large printer is dumber than dirt. On the plus side, at 6:20, it looks like the K1 Max moved the filament run-out sensor inside the enclosure on the back side? I'd love to see a thin and flexible CANBUS cable to the print head with an optical filament run-out sensor integrated into the top of the extruder.
I look forward to a K1 Max TPU test (maybe with the reverse Bowden tube but also with the extruder fed directly from an overhead reel), some explanation of the lidar and whether it's a useful feature or just Bambu Me Too marketing fluff, as well as long term reliability of the K1 Max. Thanks!
The best time to buy a printer is a year from now. New/better/cheaper options just keep coming.
I know it so tempting just to go out and get one as it is impressive. Hopefully, patience will bear fruit. Within the next few months, I've heard several coming out from different companies. I have a love-hate relationship with Creality. My 10s still works fine but they have changed and am locking things down, which does not help them or the consumer.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah I hear ya. I'm considering stepping up to a larger printer from My Ender 3 S1 but I can't lie, I've been tempted by the speeds of the P1P and K1 alike, and now that the K1 Max is out with the best of both worlds I'm tempted to start saving up. But I definitely want to hold out and see if Bambu comes out with an extra large printer that can still have AMS unit capabilities.
Oh man, after the K1 issues I was seriously considering cancelling my K1 Max pre order. Glad I didn't, it seems to be a great printer now!
I was kind of dreading making this video because I didn't want to have to shit on their extruder design again. But by golly they fixed it. I hope it holds up!
The extruder fix addresses the primary concern I had with the system.
The secondary concern is their use/abuse of open-source software. They really need to release the source code for this machine. I am pretty sure they are going to release it, but in the meantime, people are rightfully a bit pissed about the situation.
I feel like their extruder issue should have shown up in testing which I felt was not as thorough as it could have been.
I repeat: Klipper is GPL v3 and that license does not only require releasing the source code, it also requires any product using it offering the end user a way to install his own modified version of it. In the GPL v3 license this is the part mentioning the "Installation Information" requirements. So, it's not only that Creality has to release the source, they have to provide explicit instructions on how any user can replace Creality's Klipper derivative with the user's own version. At least that requires providing root access and a way to modify the installed files.
Hype for 300x300 build-area. Not because I care about the K1 max but because it will mean more and cheaper build-plates for my voron with 300x300 lol
Haha awesome take. We might start seeing vorons with Creality heated beds.
My K1 has been flawless. I think it's because I got a "FIXED" version with the cable chain and extruder clip upgrades aka newer production date. I just placed my order for the K1 MAX today based on your review. Thanks for the K1 warnings and now a review of the one I REALLY wanted. THE MAX!
Nice, I hope the Early K1 owners are getting some upgrades to get everyone up to the same level of reliability. I think that is what that "free gift package" from creality is all about, that comes with a new extruder and hotend.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I got nothing of the sort and my K1 has gone back for a refund. It was a real lesson for me. Always wait for v2 or v3 of any product.
Bottom line: will we be able to install and run stock clipper on this Creality machine? I do not want a machine that is closed .
I have asked that question in person to one of the founders and the head of product development. Kind of grilled them on it and made them uncomfortable/borderline unprofessional.
Their answer has been yes, they will open-source soon.
I tend to believe them since they have open-sourced all of their previous printers, but you never know for certain. If that is a dealbreaker for you, I would wait until an official announcement.
All of their engineering resources have been focused on getting the K1 and K1 Max out the door (and a couple more lower budget printers that should be announced soon), so it makes sense that they have not had the time to dedicate to preparing the files for a public release.
The Creality vs Bambu Lab competition has been white-hot lately, both companies are working furiously to get products out as quickly as possible. If they had to choose between pissing off the community for a bit vs losing the whole market to Bambu Lab... IDK, which do you think you would do?
Let's hope they keep up with the improvements.
My K1 extruder (and door hinges) was an absolute disaster and has been sent back for a full refund (after 6 days). I so badly want to try again, but I will be waiting for a v2 before they get any more of my money...
Sooo glad I dumped my bambu spy machine for the max.
I wouldn't trust Creality Print or the cloud services there. Ideally I want to set up PRUSA Slicer profiles for this machine and just run it on LAN and over USB.
@@NathanBuildsRobots If your LAN is connected to the internet, your printer is sending telemetry to Creality. Not files AFAIK but things like temperatures and progress.
You should run the calibration again with the printer on the floor to see if the ringing goes away. I wonder if that wobbly desk is messing with the input shaping.
I'm curious about a long-term review of the K1 Max. Creality sort of has a reputation of having to tinker with their printers constantly after a while. I like the build volume but feel they need an AMS to be even more competitive in this printer space. Becoming a hard decision between a P1S/AMS Combo and the K1 Max.
For me, the increased build volume is a lot more useful than multi-color prints. But to each their own. If you do more cosmetic prints, or prints that would benefit by having a second color, AMS is more useful.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I agree that the build volume is nice. There's no way Bambu isn't working on a larger format printer (rumored X1E maybe?) though, but likely at a small premium increase.
The AMS is not only useful for multi color prints. It's also useful for using up partial rolls of filament and/or ensuring you don't run out of filament mid print with no slowdown in production.
@@TheCrytone True, I did not think about that.
But how many spools of filament can you buy for the price of an AMS... It costs like 30 kg worth of filament, so whatever you "save", you paid for.
They are easily working on their own ams. No way creality would let that one go.
As opposed to bambu which has zero history at all?
Can you do a video with K1Max printing larger parts in “engineering materials” normally prone to warping with open chamber printers?
Part size: around 200+mm in size
Materials: ABS, ASA, PC, Nylon, etc.
I will break out the ABS for my next video. I have some CF-nylon that I can try as well.
What about the slicer that comes with it. Still useless?
It gets the job done. And print over WiFi is nice. I've been using it and have been pretty happy. Would still prefer a PRUSASlicer based slicer and stock klipper, but for now its fine.
Would love to see a comparison to the bamboo. I was thinking of picking up the x1c this fall.
That’s the video I keep searching for.
just ordered it, ships within 5 days it says. let's see. saw few reviews, the extruder lever is different, propably they revamped the whole thing. also the top is properly done. add lidar, cam and size and we have a winner. AMS is nice but i prefer 8kg spools from 3djake.
Mmmmmm, 8kg sounds delicious.
I've chased Creality about mine, ordered within seconds of it being launched, and they say its out of stock, with no clear idea of when stock will arrive - certainly not before the estimated delivery dates currently shown on their store. I've heard before that they are an awful company to deal with, now I'm starting to agree :(
I ordered my K1 Max the day it came out 7/13. Still hasn't shipped yet. Glad to see they fixed most of the quality issues, But of course I am sure they double checked everything before actually sending a demo to Nathan. Just hope they put that same effort into the ones they are shipping to consumers.
I too ordered mine 9s after its official launch, but not yet shipped. Checked with Creality, they are out of stock, despite what their online shops say, and can't give an ETA. Considering cancelling...
@@theboy-uk What pisses me off is they have already charged my credit card. Normally companies don't charge your card til they ship. This better not be a deal where they take our money and sit on it making their balance sheet look good. Or worse they are waiting til they get X orders before doing a manufacturing run. If that is the case we won't see units til September if we are lucky.
@@whitesites Yes, they have my money as well, and certainly implied it was in stock and I'd receive within a week. In fact they still imply that on their site. I'm getting meaningless answers from Creality about when they are going to come into stock, I'm guessing they don't know. Very poor :(
@@theboy-uk I just checked my order status page and it showed my item shipped, along with FedEx Tracking Code. I checked my email and found the shipping notification in my spam box on 7/19. So looks like they are actually getting units out the door. Wait a second I take that back. When I checked shipping on Fedex, it shows Label generated, but doesn't seem to have been picked up yet.
@@whitesites Mine (from their UK store) defo still shows awaiting shipment. And Creality are confirming no stock :(. Which as I ordered 9s after launch means they never had stock. Yet every day since seem to suggest you will receive it if you ordered on in a few days. Bit naughty really.
I would like you to print a large object even a vase-mode item. What are the ways to upgrade the nozzles ie what can you go out and buy now ie is it easily upgradeable to revo, or how would I add a basic 0.6 nozzle etc.
You can put a volcano nozzle on here. It changes the nozzle offset by maybe 2mm, but it automaticaly compensates for the difference since it levels using the nozzle
K1 max is a beast at a price much lower then P1 with a much biger build size and it is a creality multicolor is comeing in 2024 yesssssss
The biggest issue with activated carbon is that stop working at 60C and isn’t very good above 50C. So, pretty much the exhaust air of an enclosed chamber printing high temp materials.
Wow, I wasn't aware of that but it makes sense. In that case you would need an intercooler to drop the temps down before venting and filtering it.
I built a similar looking machine myself and used felt around the panels to seal it up. Muffled the noise.
I honestly like the looks more than any printer so far.
Nice Review!
Agreed with the comments about Klipper & Slicer
Would like to see how filament path on your detailed video, hopefully no sharp corners in reverse bowden.
Also, please test a variety of materials, especially those benefiting from enclosure: ABS, ASA, PC.
Thanks!
You got it!
Having owned 4 different models of Creality 3D Printers over the years, I wouldn't touch any of their printers again. Not that my experience was necessarily bad. But in 2023, with appearance of companies like Bambu, Creality products don't look as appealing any longer. From my experience, it seems Creality doesn't use their own machines. They copy what other people are doing, and offer it for less $$$, but the product doesn't work anywhere near as well as the original. All of the features look great on paper, but for one reason or another don't work well in practice. I can give you an example. The filament sensor. What a great feature, essential if you ask me. It never really worked on any of my machines. Not on CR10s, not on Ender 3 V2, not on Ender 7. The print always had significant defects, and wasn't usable. Either it skipped a few rows, or a huge blub of filament was added to the print, or it knocked the part down, or the print would stop because of the sensor momentarily reported no filament, even though it was there. Why? They used generic Malrin firmware, but never bothered to adopt it well to their own machines. It's just a small example. Most of the features Creality offers are only half working, and are there for the marketing purposes mostly.
I would definitely buy a P1S with AMS instead of K1 Max. I think there is no comparison in real life, when it comes to practical use.
I would rarely need a K1 Max full build volume. I don't print helmets, but most of my stuff rarely goes over 150mm tall. What I need is a K1Max-Half. 300x300x150 tall. Then I can stack two of them.
300x300x300 is niiice.
My optimal printer would be 500x500x750 Creality, Plz make K1 Max Plus
@@NathanBuildsRobots What are you printing that is that tall? LOL. Parts for a life sized Nathan robot?
I would love to do furniture or structural parts for vehicles
How bout in comparison to the Bambu P1S?
P1S is significantly smaller and has a shit interface.
But, as a tradeoff it's quite a bit cheaper and can be upgraded to use AMS.
They seem pretty evenly matched, but for me, the large build volume and better touch interface takes the cake.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Not to mention how Bambu screwed their customers by releasing the P1S and not offering the upgrade to people who bout the P1P literally 1 day earlier. Bad customer support!
my grandpa used to have a screw driver like that
Which one? Timestamp?
Is it the one with a wooden handle? Those are excellent Grandpa-Core tools. Gets the job done, first time, every time.
@@NathanBuildsRobots .58 seconds. That looks like its from the 60's?
@@ItsDaPlumber Haha, yes. I love that screwdriver. It has sentimental value.
The other thing is, I get really sick and tired of loosing the #2 phillips head bit... It's really nice to have one that is fixed in place.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yea, they got rid of the square handle because some smart ass engineer told everyone a round handle would cost less money in production.
Square handles fit my hand a lot better too. If I had to pick a screwdriver to shank someone with, it’s definitely be that one. Hexagonal handles are overrated and overused
Creality is now the "king of the hill". Hopefully they will build something to compete with Bambu's AMS
Seems to be one of the best machines creality makes. I guess you can only mess up so much when you copy a successful design.
You know what they say: A broken clock at a typewriter can write the entire works of Shakespeare twice a day.
If they have sorted out the niggling issues with the K1 like the extruder then this could be a Bambu killer as you aren't locked into a cloud eco system full of security holes and privacy nightmares. Also would be good to know about availability of spare parts and repairability because for me that is a key feature.
If they open-source the design, the market gets flooded with aftermarket parts. Fingers crossed Creality will make good on their promise to open source this beast.
Hi ; well I hope you are able to summon up the courage to pull apart the extruder as if its built anything like the K1s extruder then that would put me off buying it completely! I understand you like how its running out of the box but longevity is what we need out of the extruder! Look forward to your deep dive video on the K1 Max. Thank you for your reviews.
Thank you, I know it needs to be done. Will have to do it for SCIENCE (tm)
It looks like the overall architecture is the same, but there might be some minor differences inside.
@@NathanBuildsRobots - The K1 extruder had two rigidly mounted drive rollers with one pivoting in for printing and out to load filament, rather than spring tension to engage the filament as is more typical. In a video I saw, one of the drive roller axles bent outward after a day or two of printing, resulting in loss of filament engagement and persistent under extrusion. Hardening that axle may be the fix.
If they upgraded from a Zinc/Aluminum based alloy to a steel alloy, that would certainly do the trick. Will do further investigation for the deep-dive video.
@@NathanBuildsRobots - Creality used Zamak for a stressed part? Yikes. At the volumes they'd be using for two axles per extruder, it seems that a simple CNC lathe stainless steel shaft would be cheaper than Zamak given the mold tooling cost. What's more expensive than CNC lathe parts? Investing in a mold to make Zamak parts that are made in large quantity but must be scrapped because they don't work.
Ready! Fire! Aim!
DOH!
@@Liberty4Ever LMAO are you suggesting the dummy that sugested Zamak faced the firing squad? Or that the execution of the plan was poor.
The new parts have a matte surface texture, kind of looks like a sintered part. Would be crazy if they were 3D printed, but the more likely explanation is a Powder metallurgy process.
In your k1 video you were concerned about bending load on the extruded gears. I see that hasn’t changed in the new extruder. Do you think the new steel part and loctite will be enough to prevent long term bending of the gears? Thanks for all the great info. So many TH-cam reviews just state the specs do a few benchies and call it a day! Worthless! Your breakdowns are so much more useful!
Nice video i have Question is ender 2 pro good printer im litel bit consered about bild volume im new and i whant to get in to 3d printing. (thy for respone)
Ender 2 pro is a great printer. Has really good print quality out of the box. If you can get it for around $120 it's a great deal.
Also if you are near a MicroCenter they sell $99 Ender 3 V2 and Ender 3 Pros sometimes. Those are great deals
Hi.
How is the printer holding up? Do you still recommend this printer or have you change your mind now that you’ve had more time experimenting?
Looking forward to hear from you.
Just put in an order for the k1 Max. Little skeptical about the extruder but I guess time will tell. How do you think it compares to the p1p and the p1s?
For my use cases, I want to build large structural parts for outdoor use. This is ideal for that purpose. I don't need 16 color PLA crap, I just need a printer that is big and fast enough to bring my ideas to life.
Derp but you didn't say you hated it and tear it apart bad review derp
but seriously, nice overview, Nathan
Looking forward to the deep dive! This looks like my next machine to replace my S1 as I need something larger format and enclosed
I hate it, I hate it, I hate it REEEEEEEEE!
Ok are you happi now?
is it possible for you to do an update on the K1 Max - I heard they updated the software, slicer is now open, and some hardware was upgraded - hot end and if they ever fixed the bed leveling issue - it seems as if it is never leveled (you need shims and such) and if it is your last $800 would you purchase this machine.
Yea, love the size, but after using bambu machines, i just cant, just cant, caaaaant go to a creality. The bambu is just too damn good
I see nathan has decided to fully embrace the awkwardness with that thumbnail pic.
I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is I'm supposed to point at the thing and make a face.
Keep up the great content!
TY! I have some great stuff from Open Sauce and more printers to review. Definitely going to continue flooding YT with my nonsense videos.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Please do!
I really wonder how it'll hold up in the long term-Creality doesn't have the best track record hardware wise. Unfortunately I end up using cloud features on my printers a ton, and the bambu app works perfectly for this, while I've heard nightmare stories about the current state of crealities alternative. Great to see them pushing the boundaries with build volume, hopefully it pushes bambulabs to release something similarly sized and competitively priced.
Yeah, only 1 way to find out right now - wait and see!
I know for sure Bambu lab has stepped up their large format printer timeline. They can’t just let creality have the large format printer market to themselves.
@@NathanBuildsRobots They won't have to worry about it. I bought the Qidi Tech X-Max 3 today since we all know that we can't trust Creality. The Max 3 is replacing my CR-10 v3, so buying another Creality would simply be rewarding bad behavior.
If it doesn't do 400mm x 400mm x 400mm it's unusable to me.
My p1p made that annoying high pitched whine but I haven't heard it in a couple months. I've done a lot of modifications, idk if the enclosure is blocking the sound or if it's the MC board fan and bento box I installed. I've noticed some power supplies only whine at idle so maybe the small amount of current my little fans are pulling is enough to stop it
Maybe it was fixed in a firmware update, or maybe you just became desensitized to it. I noticed that too. It bothered me when doing the first power up, but later I stopped noticing.
Interesting and will be following these videos Nathan. Thanks. Laurie. NZ
I'm quite curious about the sound level on this rather than Bamboo lab's machines.. does the K1 have a silent mode?
It's pretty quiet. I haven't tried an X1C or P1S, so I dont know if its louder or quieter. Maybe compare the numbers that I got in the dB meter to someone with an X1C?
if only it had an AMS then I'd consider getting ride of my X1C for it. I really want a larger build plate.
It figures Creality finally releases a really good machine after I finally swear off their hardware...
lmao. Just wait and see. This hardware is somewhat unproven at the moment, but it's really impressive at first glance.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Oh yeah, It was just a knee jerk thought more than anything after waking up this morning to my S1 PRO spaghetti-ing the end of a 24 hour print. So much time poking and prodding at it and the V2 before it, replacing things like warped beds, etc that It kind of cracked me up to see something that at first glance is one I would want after just feeling utterly done with them.
Yeah, it's a bold move to do this instead of rebranding, as like, an offshoot. But Creality has major brand recognition, on par with PRUSA. For anyone in the hobby, even beginners, people hear the name and know its a 3D printing company.
Hey, i just love all u vidoes :) thanks for making them, i do have 1 questen. i have buy a k1 max, at creality it says support prusa slicer, but when i download prusaslicer and need to find the printer its not there. so i need to make a custom fff printer settings there., do u have thoes settings, or can u help me. i dont whant to root the new k1 max, do i have to do that ? dossent make sence if i need when they whrite in the home page it support the slicer from prusa.
i need a video of you on the eleego neptune 4 fr
It's sitting on the floor right now. I want to review it real bad. Problem is these high-end printers take priority, and the market has been flooding with them for the last 2 months, keeping me really busy.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Oh that would be really helpful (A review for the ELEGOO Neptune 4 /-pro. It claims it can reach 500mm/s and often (apparently) is slightly faster than Bambu Lab printers...
@@SPG_ADR13N Acceleration is more important than speed, but we'll have to seel. Will probably film that review the first half of next month.
do you know if the K1 MAX comes also with the upgraded hotend?!
Is the "actual" build volume 300 mm ?
Yes, I believe so.
Plate is 320x320 and build volume is 300x300x300
As creality scranbles to catch up, the 300x build is not worth the effort, they should have went to 350 to make it worth purchasing at all, 300 is barely 50mm larger than the better printer on the market already, hence creality scrambling after being stagnant with outdated bed slinger for many years already. I will stick with my 5+ and the Carbon with ams, until the better company releases their larger printer soon. Amd the screen should be at the top, unless your a midget
You can’t touch an interface that is at table level unless you’re a midget… like, I don’t know, a piece of paper, a keyboard, a mouse, a plate of food. All of these table-level items are beneath me. I mount all of my interfaces to the ceiling.
The height of the interface hasn’t bothered me. What does bother me is the P1P using a 70 cent screen on a $700 printer.
300mm is really nice, I’m not complaining.
What is the Decibel software/app you used?
Decibel X on iPhone
You might have a damaged fan 😂 just double check it
I have not seen any print farms with K1.... i don't know why because it is a good printer. Maybe the fact that it does not have an AMS option is limiting its sales.
Will the ai lidar system be available to purchase for the regular K1? Like as a add on?
I think it will be available. give it a few weeks to show up in the store.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I find it pretty amazing that Creality will allow the regular K1 to be upgraded with the camera and Lidar just like max.
Should i buy this or x1 carbon
What are we all going to do with our old bedslingers? I have 3 so it would be nice to see how they can be converted or cannibalised to other uses ie a pen writer or mini cnc. I guess I will just try and sell them as I don't know anyone who could use one.
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@@NathanBuildsRobots I just watched that video. I nearly cried. When you have a CR10s that you've had from the beginning that has the same build volume it's hard to push the buy button on the K1 Max.
Also how does it do with CF, nylon and harder stuff?
Hello. According to Creality, the hardened steel nozzle (on this printer) has 15 times lower thermal conductivity than K1's copper nozzle. Does this mean that the K1 Max will print much slower than the K1? Have you compared them at 200mm/s+ speeds, especially with filaments other than PLA?
They print at the same speeds as far as I can tell. They are using a steel insert, so most of the nozzle is still made of copper.
Thanks. Also, does the LiDAR affect first layer/print quality? Or is it useless?
can we get some print quality pics in harsh lighting?
No, I don't want to make it look bad. You're supposed to buy one after watching this video using the affiliate links.
Will do more deep dives. Kind of had to rush this out since I was at Open Sauce last weekend. Suffice to say, the quality is very good.
@@NathanBuildsRobots okay lol thank you, ive improved my inconsistent extrusion with some grease between the gears and adding a reverse bowden (greatly helps), id like to see a showdown of the extruders with the least inconsistent extrusion in the future
Id take inconsistent extrusion over consistent underextrusion.
@@NathanBuildsRobots im so autistic with my printer its not even funny, I have enough xyz cubes to play minecraft, now I just need to solve that last part of z wobble, getting some oldham couplers
Creality... save money stop building puny printers.
I have their max neo... I could never go to a K1, go big or go home k1 max.
K1 Max is going to be my go-to printer from now on. Only reason I kept using the P1P over the K1 was the extruder issues I was having. But apparently they have fixed the extruder issues and I'm now 100% for it. Definitely needs more testing, and I belive some companies are working on aftermarket upgrade kits for the K1 extruder.
Other reason I was using P1P over K1 was the build volume being slighly bigger. But now the K1 and P1P both pale in comparison to the K1 Max, sizewise.
Watched a review by 247 printing, he said it was kinda bad. You can watch the video yourself.
I had hoped for 350mm cubed :(
This thing is already pretty massive. 350 is just insanity. Look at the alternatives though, This at $850 or a Voron Trident kit for $1200 an 20 hrs of build time.
The Trident will probably be more serviceable and upgradable in the long run, plus more satisfying to build/use. But if you factor in the build time, the K1 Max is an insane deal for the volume and speed it offers.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Sure, but I currently own a CR10Max at 450mm cubed, and don't think that is insanity. But it is slow.
Where can i find the stl of the spool holder?
Looks nice.
SO did you get the K1 for free from creality and now K1 Max for free for doing sales person role of the company on youtube? Getting any other wage from them? If you got these printers for free from the company and making videos like this without mentioning that it is sponsored video or supported free product, it might be against youtube policy and your channel might be banned.
I thought it was pretty clear as I said at the beginning of the video “Creality has sent over this K1 Max to take a look at”, there are multiple disclosures in the video description, and the paid promotion/sponsored content pop up is applied at the beginning of the video. Is there something I should do to make it more clear? These videos are unscripted/ad-hoc, but I try to mention that these are free machines whenever possible. I generally speaking, TH-camrs don’t really pay for printers. There are exceptions, but most of the videos you see are free machines.
This channel is about my experience using these 3D printers, among other things. I like the printer and will be using it for most of my printing needs. They aren’t paying me to use it, they don’t get any creative control over my videos, and I am free to make videos or not make videos with it as I see fit for my channel’s goals. Creality is an excellent channel partner though, because they send over good stuff for me to review. I know a lot of people are curious about these machines so I do my best to inform my audience about price, features, quality, etc.
Can you compare it to a qidi x plus 3?
I just to hit the order button. Man Aug 3 shipping. Do i do it?
Lol, your call. I like it much more than the P1P.
I haven't tried the X1C+AMS combo (Bambu, you have my number).
That would be the only comparable product in terms of overall utility but it's $1500 vs $850.
@@NathanBuildsRobots and much smaller, the true build volume of x1 is 238x228x250!
@@dejedejsson You can get the full build volume if you disable the filament cutter, which no other machine has anyways, so... I'd still call it 256x256
Worst case it is 256x256 minus 18x28
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yes, but it's not quite as easy as it's made out to be and you can't use AMS.
It's a bit like reaching the specified gas mileage of your car, you can get close if you throw out the seats, turn off the AC, fold in the side mirrors, etc!
This phone decibel meter apps are by no means even close to acurate. You better get a decible meter to acually mesure the proper loudness ofthe mechine. Ask me how I know...
How do you know?
@@NathanBuildsRobots Uni-t decible meter. Good stuff, not expensive and really should be part of your arsinal as a reviewer
Printer of the year?? Nope, mine just gave me problems, no more creality
The LIDAR is just a gimmick? 🤔
I think it works, but I couldn't figure it out in this video. Will cover it in a more detailed deep-dive video.
Rumors say it checks for first layer failures
lidar on a 3d printer will always just be a gimmick.
@@LilApe why? With these new devices and a resolution of 3um and below I think bed leveling improves further and the detection of 1.layer failures should be possible too
@@LilApe I don't think it will always be a gimmick. Closed loop machine control is nice. Being able to check for gaps between extrusions is also nice... Lots of great use-cases for it, it just require a lot of code. With open-source development I think it could end up being very useful for increasing precision and reliability.
Printer of the year :) Don't make me laugh. It won't survive the speed of Chinese marketing that long. Before it can be the printer of the year there will be k2 :)
Na, P1S is better. That benchy is weak.
Benchy is benchy
machine
with problem. do not buy
Meh. It provides zero innovation, and it isn't even priced competitively. Too little, too late.
Big printer is big.
cr-m4 mods pls
I just put a new nozzle on there and it's working great. IDEX would be absolutely SICK though.
Or pellet extruder
2 creality machine were pieces of shit i won't spend another dollar moved on to prusa
I'm glad the k1 max is better than the k1 cause the max is the one I really want.
When I talked to Creality, they said they wanted to release the K1 Max later so they had time to fix and improve based on lessons from the K1.
"tiny bit of stringing"....see I thought I saw "a ton of stringing" when you held up that benchy. Subjective I guess lol
That kind of faint stringing is cleaned up in about 5s going over it with a blowtorch or heat gun.
Not ideal, but could be down to filament or retraction tuning. Needs improvement, but not a dealbreaker IMO
I think the first print that you reviewers should be doing on these new machines is a full build plate first layer. They can all print benchies. My K1 printed a benchie but it couldn't print a full build plate first layer. It was crap. JMO
Yeah, it had underextrusion due to crappy extruder. After installing the LGX Lite on the K1, it could do full layer prints. Hoping this is fixed due to new more functional extruder. Will test a large flat part soon.
I can't hear over 13.5kHz, so it wouldn't bother me. 😅
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Honestly considering getting one of these so I can have a main printer while I upgrade my 350 Trident.
How do you like having a 350 bed? If creality steps up in size would it make sense to go to 350 or just go straight to 400?
@@NathanBuildsRobots I love having a 350. I make custom arcade sticks and hitboxes for fighting games. Having a bed that size allows me to print reasonably sized products. A 400 might be nice but I would definitely only do it if it had an AWD xy stepper system like the VZBOT cause I really don't like the idea of a larger printer at the cost of speed and print quality combined. I'm not sure if it's true or not but I hear that having a bed that's too large can have more issues with consistency and warping due to poor thermal efficiency. I agree with you that 300-350 is a good sweet spot for a fast high quality printer. I think anything bigger would cost too much for the average person for something core xy at decent quality that isn't just cheap garbage.
Nice review man! Also this is a discount code for the K1 (not max): AFK130
-$30
Thank you!
Lol, Nice. NBR30 works too I believe.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Seems invalid. Would you recommend upgrading my Prusa i3 Mk3s+ for the K1? As its faster and packed with AI features, etc.
@@SPG_ADR13N Normal k1 probably no. k1 has closed firmware (its klipper but they afaik have not released the firmware yet) unless you need the speed of the k1 save the money and stick to your prusa.
@@MinePossu sort of... I am not making any loss, in the worst case 30€ or so.. Selling a Prusa on Ebay is about 550€ (I have a lot of extras (Nozzles, filament, etc.) So then with that money I can wait and buy the K1 when its on sale (amazon prime day or upcoming Black Friday)
Black friday is going to be nuts this year. Both companies are going to have a warchest of inventory by then.