If you're there during the writing and recording process, adding to the lyric, melody, arrangement and music of the released song, you are indeed a co-writer; Unless you are on wage as a session musician (employed). Apollonia's input to any Prince song was arguably a lyric here and there. This does not make her a co-writer. She possibly inspired Prince in his choice of lyric, but stating she should be paid for being in the room when inspiration took hold is nonsense. Wendy and Lisa were co-writers, in the sense that they were specifically involved in the musical creation and arrangement of specific songs. However, they too, were employed musicians, taking a wage. A band like U2 share their co-writing credentials equally, no matter who does what, but they are a band in the specific sense of that term (The Revolution never were); U2 were never paid individually as employees. Apollonia was a friend of Prince, but she was also on the payroll at the time. This forfeits her claims. Whether she, or you disagree with this, it's a fact. Prince was rich enough towards the end of his life to share his fortune and good fortune around, but if he did do this, he did so out of kindness, not because he legally had to.
Agree with a lot of this, but whether or not you co-write a song isn't just a matter of legality. P credited others as co-writers who were also on his payroll.
Duane! Always great to hear from a fellow Baltimore boy. Here's hoping that you'll get Susanna Hoffs on as a guest at some point as well. I'm sure the reunion part 2 will be worth the wait. Again, gratitude is the attitude, and those of us that know that will wait...
I work at an indie bookstore in Miami and this book is one of my "Staff Selections!" I highly, HIGHLY recommend this book to everyone in the Purple World! I'm now reading the second book covering 1985 and 1986 and the details into Prince's creation process is just as detailed and compelling as the first part.
Wait a minute, how do you know that for sure? Maybe she did collaborate with prince were you there? The thing is that there’s probably evidence to support it and I believe her I believe Patricia. Why is it that your question her and her claims but you don’t question this authors book? And its contents? Prince is not around to verify someone who just came out of nowhere with a book that seemingly was being kept with the future plan to publish it. Prince is not around to verify if anything in the studio records or whatever this book is about is in the record or true.
Always the best guests! Always so interesting to hear the memories and the stories of those that lived them! The truth is not always what some want to embrace unfortunately but the truth as love will always win! 💜🎼💜
Sometimes I wonder if people know that Prince was already famous and a hug star way before Purple Rain and way before he met Apollonia. I think she did inspire him. I mean she sang on songs he wrote that she did not add lyrics to.
Lovely to have some U.F.O. chat on here, combining two of my favourite things: Prince and U.F.O.'s. 🙂 "I don't know" is the correct response to it. (U.F.O.'s, not Prince: U do or should know about Prince, ha ha!)
My favorite series of books when it comes to Prince. I'm a total nerd when it comes to his live performances and studio process. HIGHLY recommend! Thanks Duane and Seth and Apollonia for all your efforts. ✌🏼&❤
Thanks for sharing. I guess prince justified in his mind that he did work harder than anyone around him, might be why he didn't give fair credit to the ones that worked on projects with him. It's hard to say why he didn't want Apollonia to make some money, a nickel compared to what he was making on the same project. He really did use people to get what he wanted out of them. It's clear he didn't care about the money, he maybe left no plans for his money 😮. And the way he kept the airlines in business flying hundreds of people around sometimes just for the day or two. Money was no object for prince. But how he chose to share it is a mystery. I guess because no one gave him anything except Ms. Anderson, his psyche wouldn't let him give credit where credit is due. He had to make something from starting with nothing. A true rags to riches story. I would love to hear prince bought Ms. Anderson a nice house, payback for the 4 years she fed him and let him live there. Who knows why he didn't share the money that he didn't care about, it could of changed ones life. I think everyone is going to get paid something, hopefully before they pass on.
Prince has done a lot helping people around the world and so many ways he moved in silence and he didn't had to boast about what he did for people like so many celebrity do so yes he shared his wealth in silence
Jill Jones tells a different story about how he called a restaurant when writing mia boca" how do you say this?" Apollonia thought she was going to make much more money after purple rain .. she did not and started making up this nonsense.
Prince like many great artist drew inspiration from observation and life - he gave more than he took in the credits and though he could have easily credited in a more authentic way that's was not in his DNA or was his artistic approach. No one had to stay and some didn't because he didn't credit an inspiration or a riff, but come on -- the man was great for 40+ years. Yes we want truth, but if you are a fan of this channel, we in many cases know based on the evidence provided who was in the room and who was there - again based on the evidence provided. No need to hedge everything. With that said - I always believed the story of Glamorous Life from here because the song was done when Sheila did her part. As for Manic Monday -- Susan has a different version - but again, he drew inspiration from many people according to the evidence.
I love Prince but I'm glad people are coming forward and being honest about his behavior. It seems often, everyone is walking on eggshells...still. He ripped people off many times and it's not right. It's good he was starting to undo some of his wrongs--should've been done 30 years ago though! LONG overdue.
According to Eric Leeds, he was due tens of thousands for unpaid sessions which is kinda confusing as why would you even continue to work for someone who's due you this much.
@@Helios601 was he ever paid? I heard about that probably read it in the prince family newsletter in the mid 90s. The prince was having trouble paying some of his bills later on the gold experience when he was battling Warner Bros., but I think he eventually did make good on anything he owed it was a tough time from Prince
@@Modernaire Don't think so, he was due around 100k if memory serves me right. It's from an interview which will be on here somewhere. Seems a lot of money to be outstanding to an active band member/session player
I mean he put her in Apollonia 6 wrote and produces the songs, she made a lot of money off of prince. she was able to get acting jobs because of Prince. She Usses the name that he created. Her name is not Apollonia, that belongs to Prince, is she paying prince to use that name. She needs to stop with allot BS.
Certainly purple rain put in a higher profile as a leading lady, but excuse me, she worked her ass off on that side and wrist, her safety, even for her heart to try to achieve something artistic. The subsequent success after that, and the role she took or because of her doing certainly prints at a Part, and making her famous, but she chose her. He chose her for a reason there was something there and I think he made a great choice. It’s interesting other people who are attacking I would say all of the fans that are attacking Apollonia but if only you knew… If only you knew…. About…
He, (& many others, with their biased & agenda based purple mythology) is problematic, for a number of reasons, going back a number of years. Selectively deaf dumb & blind. Also, there's a fine line between those oldskool fanboys & the bootleggers, a very old history.
I completely believe Apollonia when she says she wrote the lyrics for those songs. The Glamorous Life, Manic Monday, Mr Christian etc. You can tell they had a woman’s touch. Prince was a genius but he was not perfect.
@Miss McQueen You mean the two engineers that can’t even agree where the song was recorded? In the California studio, no in Prince’s home studio. Yeah let’s go by their word 😂🤣
Absolutely LOVE Duane and his amazing books.
They are essential reading for any true fan.
If you're there during the writing and recording process, adding to the lyric, melody, arrangement and music of the released song, you are indeed a co-writer; Unless you are on wage as a session musician (employed). Apollonia's input to any Prince song was arguably a lyric here and there. This does not make her a co-writer. She possibly inspired Prince in his choice of lyric, but stating she should be paid for being in the room when inspiration took hold is nonsense. Wendy and Lisa were co-writers, in the sense that they were specifically involved in the musical creation and arrangement of specific songs. However, they too, were employed musicians, taking a wage. A band like U2 share their co-writing credentials equally, no matter who does what, but they are a band in the specific sense of that term (The Revolution never were); U2 were never paid individually as employees. Apollonia was a friend of Prince, but she was also on the payroll at the time. This forfeits her claims. Whether she, or you disagree with this, it's a fact. Prince was rich enough towards the end of his life to share his fortune and good fortune around, but if he did do this, he did so out of kindness, not because he legally had to.
All. Of. This.
Exactly !!!! Apollonia needs to shut up.
@@LaRochePosay04 Were you there? No! none of us were there so you need to shut your mouth 🙄duh
Agree with a lot of this, but whether or not you co-write a song isn't just a matter of legality. P credited others as co-writers who were also on his payroll.
Where is the Apollonia 6 reunion part 2??
That's a mystery. Lol
In Appolonia's vault 😋
Duane! Always great to hear from a fellow Baltimore boy. Here's hoping that you'll get Susanna Hoffs on as a guest at some point as well.
I'm sure the reunion part 2 will be worth the wait.
Again, gratitude is the attitude, and those of us that know that will wait...
agreed
I work at an indie bookstore in Miami and this book is one of my "Staff Selections!" I highly, HIGHLY recommend this book to everyone in the Purple World! I'm now reading the second book covering 1985 and 1986 and the details into Prince's creation process is just as detailed and compelling as the first part.
Which indie bookstore? I'd love to support.
@@nateifitsaboy it's Books & Books In Coral Gables! Thanks for asking!
It was another great episode. 💜
"Abra la pinche puerta!" Omg. I love you so much! Can't wait to see parte dos!
Patty still falsely claiming she wrote Manic Monday
Wait a minute, how do you know that for sure? Maybe she did collaborate with prince were you there? The thing is that there’s probably evidence to support it and I believe her I believe Patricia. Why is it that your question her and her claims but you don’t question this authors book? And its contents? Prince is not around to verify someone who just came out of nowhere with a book that seemingly was being kept with the future plan to publish it. Prince is not around to verify if anything in the studio records or whatever this book is about is in the record or true.
@@Modernaire Was you there? I believe it's bullshit too. WHO'S DESPERATE TO BE RELEVANT NOW!
And Glamorous Life… 🙄
😂😂
@@Modernaire Ok 😂😂😂
Always the best guests! Always so interesting to hear the memories and the stories of those that lived them! The truth is not always what some want to embrace unfortunately but the truth as love will always win! 💜🎼💜
Thank you again for your channel🙏
Great part one! I'm looking forward to the next one!
Sometimes I wonder if people know that Prince was already famous and a hug star way before Purple Rain and way before he met Apollonia. I think she did inspire him. I mean she sang on songs he wrote that she did not add lyrics to.
I got both books!
They r a great read!!
Can't wait for anotha 1!
Loved the UFO talk. Great show.
Lovely to have some U.F.O. chat on here, combining two of my favourite things: Prince and U.F.O.'s. 🙂
"I don't know" is the correct response to it. (U.F.O.'s, not Prince: U do or should know about Prince, ha ha!)
My favorite series of books when it comes to Prince. I'm a total nerd when it comes to his live performances and studio process. HIGHLY recommend! Thanks Duane and Seth and Apollonia for all your efforts. ✌🏼&❤
Prince's first duet was with Jill Jones in Lady Cab Driver. : )
I thought it was wit "Lisa" on the "Dirty Mind" album..
@@dee1380 well maybe on Head if u wanna get technical lol
Nice! You know what you’re talking about. And the prince “historian” was wrong lol. Good job man.
@@ellachica160 A Prince geek for life : )
That's a harmony. A duet is 2 singers performing a solo section rather than performing simultaneously.
Thanks for sharing. I guess prince justified in his mind that he did work harder than anyone around him, might be why he didn't give fair credit to the ones that worked on projects with him. It's hard to say why he didn't want Apollonia to make some money, a nickel compared to what he was making on the same project. He really did use people to get what he wanted out of them. It's clear he didn't care about the money, he maybe left no plans for his money 😮. And the way he kept the airlines in business flying hundreds of people around sometimes just for the day or two. Money was no object for prince. But how he chose to share it is a mystery. I guess because no one gave him anything except Ms. Anderson, his psyche wouldn't let him give credit where credit is due. He had to make something from starting with nothing. A true rags to riches story. I would love to hear prince bought Ms. Anderson a nice house, payback for the 4 years she fed him and let him live there. Who knows why he didn't share the money that he didn't care about, it could of changed ones life. I think everyone is going to get paid something, hopefully before they pass on.
Prince has done a lot helping people around the world and so many ways he moved in silence and he didn't had to boast about what he did for people like so many celebrity do so yes he shared his wealth in silence
But where are all of the great songs she's written over the years after prince. She is delusional.Lol
lol, "People see alot of stuff in Palm Springs" 😂 #facts
Jill Jones tells a different story about how he called a restaurant when writing mia boca" how do you say this?" Apollonia thought she was going to make much more money after purple rain .. she did not and started making up this nonsense.
I need to make a flowchart of all Prince's lovers. Jeez, a LOT of overlap, huh?
Prince like many great artist drew inspiration from observation and life - he gave more than he took in the credits and though he could have easily credited in a more authentic way that's was not in his DNA or was his artistic approach. No one had to stay and some didn't because he didn't credit an inspiration or a riff, but come on -- the man was great for 40+ years. Yes we want truth, but if you are a fan of this channel, we in many cases know based on the evidence provided who was in the room and who was there - again based on the evidence provided. No need to hedge everything. With that said - I always believed the story of Glamorous Life from here because the song was done when Sheila did her part. As for Manic Monday -- Susan has a different version - but again, he drew inspiration from many people according to the evidence.
I love Prince but I'm glad people are coming forward and being honest about his behavior. It seems often, everyone is walking on eggshells...still. He ripped people off many times and it's not right. It's good he was starting to undo some of his wrongs--should've been done 30 years ago though! LONG overdue.
How do you know any of those ripoff stories are true? Who are you believing right now?
According to Eric Leeds, he was due tens of thousands for unpaid sessions which is kinda confusing as why would you even continue to work for someone who's due you this much.
@@Helios601 was he ever paid? I heard about that probably read it in the prince family newsletter in the mid 90s. The prince was having trouble paying some of his bills later on the gold experience when he was battling Warner Bros., but I think he eventually did make good on anything he owed it was a tough time from Prince
@@Modernaire Don't think so, he was due around 100k if memory serves me right. It's from an interview which will be on here somewhere. Seems a lot of money to be outstanding to an active band member/session player
Ok Dude we realize you "don't know!"
😂😂😂
Smart response
I mean he put her in Apollonia 6 wrote and produces the songs, she made a lot of money off of prince. she was able to get acting jobs because of Prince. She Usses the name that he created. Her name is not Apollonia, that belongs to Prince, is she paying prince to use that name. She needs to stop with allot BS.
Certainly purple rain put in a higher profile as a leading lady, but excuse me, she worked her ass off on that side and wrist, her safety, even for her heart to try to achieve something artistic. The subsequent success after that, and the role she took or because of her doing certainly prints at a Part, and making her famous, but she chose her. He chose her for a reason there was something there and I think he made a great choice. It’s interesting other people who are attacking I would say all of the fans that are attacking Apollonia but if only you knew… If only you knew…. About…
He, (& many others, with their biased & agenda based purple mythology) is problematic, for a number of reasons, going back a number of years. Selectively deaf dumb & blind. Also, there's a fine line between those oldskool fanboys & the bootleggers, a very old history.
I completely believe Apollonia when she says she wrote the lyrics for those songs. The Glamorous Life, Manic Monday, Mr Christian etc. You can tell they had a woman’s touch. Prince was a genius but he was not perfect.
She is a complete liar.
@Miss McQueen You mean the two engineers that can’t even agree where the song was recorded? In the California studio, no in Prince’s home studio. Yeah let’s go by their word 😂🤣
I completely believe it's bullshit!
@@princecornell639 Susan Rogers?
Prince wrote everything. Apollonia didn’t cross a T or dot an I. She was a replacement for Denise- nothing more, nothing less.