For the first time ever, all three medalists in Tokyo have emulated Kratochvilova's pacing strategy, running the distance in a negative split. Athing Mu's split was 57.8 and 57.4. The world record will surely be broken soon.
@@banhipal8635 Basically you count and compare the time it takes to run each half of the race. "Positive split" means your time increases, i.e the first 400 meters are faster than the last 400. "Negative split" is the opposite.
What i took from this as a runner: If you are feeling like you have an injury, just run twice as far and go really fast in the second half. done and done
I was thinking about her pacing when I saw the timers and yeah it looks good tbh. Most runners in the 800 would use energy for the initial sprint, then try to preserve momentum in the middle by trying yo maintain pace and lastly pushing all of what you got towards the end. What she did was allow her body to constantly accelerate in the run thus allowing her to not to waste speed and this allows her to outpace the ones conserving in the middle as the race went on.
Unlike anyone else, she saved a lot in the first 200m then she kept gradual and constant acceleration which was also less taxing compared to most runners slowing and accelerating in the middle of the race. Her race is a perfect example of wise energy use which applies to 400/800 races.
So you think the only reason she set the record is because of her strategy, a strategy that nobody has tried before or since? You don't think the unnatural muscles on top of muscles didn't have anything to do with it?
@@TheWayToWin this is bs. Otherwise in the last 40 years this strategy would have been used by the other athletes (trained specifically for the 800m) and her record would have been destroyed
Doper Coe Coe's 1,41,71 was tougher than Jarmila's ladies weak 1,53 the british army calculeted formula 76/69 difference between Men and women! So we get 1,41,71x76/69=1,51,87 And East German mens record 1,43,8! Ban All doping records like Randy Barnes 23,12 Jonathan Edwards 18,29 Griffith Joyner 10,49 Sergey Bubka 614 Mike Powell 895cm and so on! Not going to happen because the western world loves their dopers!!
@@user-en9qd5nx8wDoper Seb Coe's 1,41,71 was tougher than Jarmila's weak record! Coe will be IOC leader! Come on Doper Coe speaking Los Angeles Olympics in 2028!
17 of the top 25 world's fastest times in the women's 800 occurred before 1990 and 16 were Iron Curtain countries. State-sponsored doping programs existed and were better than the testing at the time. In fact, Russia was still cheating and beating the tests as recently as the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi Russia.
What's funny to me is that you guys in the west think that only the USSR and the eastern block was doing large scale state sponsored doping back then, and the US and the rest of the west didn't...they did, the Russians were just better at it. Americans are still doing it on a grand scale, just like the Russians, Chinese, the UK and all other powerful countries, the only difference between Russia, China and the US in recent years is the fact that the US athletes don't get tested because the US Olympic committee pinky promises that their athletes aren't doping...which is just hilariously bullshit and you literally have to have the intellect of a child to believe.
@@philcorrigan5641 also absurd that any of Michael Johnson’s records can be taken seriously, also no pro bodybuilder ever puts any work in at all since they all use roids 😃😃😃
Those were the days... ... of very heavy doping from childhood permanently damaging the adult. And not just eastern bloc. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen now
I'm not buying the narrator's story either. She has a painful injury, so she runs a little slower in the first part of the race and then pours it on in the second. Voila! World record.
To be fair, many other runners came at least close to that time. Unlike the 400m where nobody has come within 2 seconds of the record for ages, or 100/200m.
Look 99% of them use shit, stop seeing it as a judgment and start seeing it as it is… and maybe some day they can stop pretending and just going full tilt with enhancements. We would see some really cool shit
@@andrhorvath7464 maybe nowadays they just don't "sacrifice their lives enough for training", e.g. as they had to in the soviet era. Back there, the life of an individual did not matter much
Two points about her to add to the discussion. She was quite old at 32 when she broke two world records for the 400 and 800. Same pattern as JoFlo. Her appearance changed from a typical middle distance female runner, in her twenties, to a muscular looking athlete. Steroids allow an athlete to train harder and longer. That was a feature of her training regime from all accounts.
unfortunately, no one even tried. Everyone blindly believes in positive splitting. Dave Wottle did it accidentally in 1976 due to knee injuries and Yuri Borzakovsky tried a very similar but not quite the same strategy. Both became the Olympic champs.
Eastern Bloc "athlete support" at its best. No way this record would last since 1983 without doping. Kratochvílová was a great athlete but she wouldn't run like that without a state-sponsored doping. And I'm saying this as someone from the Czech Republic. It is shameful the IAAF didn't scrap this record and the others, like the otherworldly Soviet and East German records (women's shot put e.g.).
But if it was just about pacing, why haven't others taken that approach and beaten it? I can't seriously believe that all world class athletes are that bad at strategy in their run
@@Basetornado you're saying that just as if it is that ez... You just get doped and you make a world record... Why don't you try take every banned substance possible and break a world record if it is a joke on steroids... Also, if it was that ez, than why aren't great marathons like Boston, London, Berlin being won by some no name guys on juice??
@@har234908234 I am asking question in present simple tense.. It is a fact question, hence using present simple is superior towards past simple.. Fron which country you are?
Count me as skeptical. The Eastern Bloc doping program was sophisticated and durable and many of the Russian athletes of the Sochi games also "never failed a drug test" until years later when reserve samples were exposed to new tests. Obviously she shouldn't be stripped of her record on suspicion alone. But the conclusion of the video, that all you need to do is run a slow, smooth first lap seems like a replicable and testable hypothesis. The fact that after 37 years her record stands, but not her strategy, means that either she was a uniquely gifted athlete with an unusual alignment of non-replicable circumstances to give her a durable edge, or she was juiced.
It is in the scientific community as you can’t prove a negative. For example, there’s no evidence that you rape donkeys, but if we turn that around, there’s no evidence that you don’t rape donkeys
no Christoph5782. The lack of comprehensive blood testing and positive tests in that era doesn't we should presume, looking back, that the athletes were clean. Unless you are in fact agreeing that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I expected some scientific explanation at the end, saying the pain in her legs was caused by something like an inability to produce lactic acid, which probably would have caused health concerns after the race. I thought it was heading that way when you said she never failed a drug test, but no, you're essentially saying she simply used a strategy that no one has considered before or since, and she was definitely on something.
Absolutely. The secret in these explosive disciplines is not to let the body start flooding itself with lactic acid, and she probably was best at such strategy. It's lactic acid athletes despise because it locks or freezes your legs and you are toast after that. 400 meters and 800 meters are the disciplines where body goes into a dramatic oxygen deprivation; some athletes admit they run their last meters almost blind as their body is trying to draw every molecule of oxygen into running muscles. Kratochvilova was most likely keenly aware where her lactic acid spillout limit is and she developed her tactical game around that knowledge. With strategic training, one can move the lactic acid barrier further, so I think she and her Coach built her training plan according to that knowledge. You actually can prolong the time where lactic acid starts shutting you down with specialized training. And of course, she would be stupid to give her strategy away. So as a result, thousands of ignorants who know nothing about training now accuse her of doping. She can care less....I can tell you that
Amazing how many Women's Track and Field records set in the 1980s are still on the books, isn't it? And we don't really need to go to just worry about the Cold War issues. Yeah, Russia and East Germany had systematic programs. But Americans like Flo Jo and Jackie Joyner-Kersee were 'roided out of their eyeballs too.
there’s nothing to actually suggest flo jo used steroids. she was constantly tested (and was clean), and i believe they’ve tested old preserved samples of hers using new modern methods and STILL found nothing. she just weight trained like crazy
@@Lucy-fn9rj Wrong, samples were discarded at that time. Since 2005 the olympics started storing samples for retesting. Some members of the olympics said that all records before 2005 should be erased. Besides that, The Soviet Union made all the testings. And now the Russians are banned for cheating tests. The 80´s were the golden era of trying new drgus, many athletes died trying new things. Tests weren´t good, even simple things like the erythropoyetin hormone wasnt tested.
@@Lucy-fn9rj "nothing to suggest" - are you taking the pi$$?! She died at an early age due to a heart attack, her times can't be touched even by modern micro-dosing TUES-using athletes 🤣🤣 She never failed, just like Lance Armstrong never failed, just like Marion Jones never failed. You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think she was clean LOL. She's the Bolt of the 1980s.
these were state-sponsored drug programs. Refusal was not an option. Athletes were told these were vitamins and supplements. After the fall of the iron curtain plenty of documents were discovered that describe this.
Many US records from that era probably weren't clean as well. Let's take 100m men, do you know some guys recently convinced with doping? Gay, Gatlin, both USA, and that's today, what about 80s...
She admitted getting shots every week, but thought they were B12 shots... and she still seems to believe that. (you don't need to get B12 weekly, as it can be stored in the body for YEARS. That was already known in the 80s)
If she simply won because of her strategy, then the record would've been broken many years ago since the strategy was no secret. Therefore, you have to consider what other advantages she might've had..
No one had ever attempted this strategy before. The only one who recently tried it was Marco Arop. He mirrored Kratochvilova’s approach, running an impressive negative split of 51.1 + 50.1 to secure the silver medal. Unfortunately, the race wasn’t tailored to assist him, as his rivals stood in his way, forcing him to cover several extra meters, resulting in a time of 1:41.20. Had the race been set up to assist him, he might have already broken the record
@@Hengel_Andrews Thanks for watching. There was very little information about Kratochvilova in English, so I read everything that could be read in Czech using the Google translator.
Let me assure everyone that Czech women normally DON'T look like this :) Let me also add that there was a state-sponsored doping programme in Czechoslovakia, and if you refused to participate, you didn't get to compete in international events.
@ the comments: I get the resentment towards this world record but I think going as far as calling her a man just because you think she looks like one is a bit too far
It is more about making fun of that a drug test at this time couldn't prove that she was on roids even if she looked more manly than Arnold Schwarzenegger
that's when women were drugged up look and perform like men...now we have men drugged up, to perform like men / look like women against women !!!! WTF !!
Every woman track and field record is not clean record. They should have 2 sets of records one for when there was no random drug testing and 1 for not.
@@VinylUnboxings oh hell yes but since they already have good hormones for athletes it doesn't help as much. Never forget each country is in charge of there own drug testing, so smaller countries can not get caught as easily. The only reason Russia caught because they had far to many athletes and 1of those Athletes did not want to dope but could not compete without doping so she turned in everyone else. Small poor countries are never going to turn in their athletes.
@@jeffreyrose4421 That's a ridiculous claim to say that PEDs don't help men as much. I don't even know where to start with how inane that is, _why_ do you think that? And it's not just because of that firl. You're completely discounting that Grigory Rodchenkov was the head of the WADA lab in Russia and that he came forward with information about the state sponsored doping program. I legitimately don't know where you could be sourcing this information from
This women was obviously doping, no way you could run that close to the lead and then make up that much distance without tiring slower. The final sprint makes it even more clear.
@@musik102 Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far as you'll need real proof of evidence to convict someone. The way I see it, even if she was cheating, the rest of the field were also cheating and she beat them all.
@@saysoun752 All you need to know is that we have proof that East Germany had a government approved mass doping programme, and all of the Eastern European counties were doing something similar. Also, how come once the Eastern Block fell apart all the record breaking stopped. And, lots of cases have seen people convicted on circumstantial evidence alone.
I have a friend who thinks there should be a performance enhanced olympics and another non enhanced olympics. Its an interesting thought. Even the playing fields and let those who want to risk their health do it while those who want to stay clean have a fairer go at it. Thought for the day 🙂
The sponsors would only be interested in the 'clean' Olympics, which is where the money would be and everyone would still be claiming to be clean while juicing their behinds off.
@@johnbull1568 Reminds me of the old joke that if all weapons were banned and wars had to be settled by arm wrestling, the country with the most nuclear bombs would win.
Sure you can. Nowadays you simply can say you transgender and you're really a woman trapped in a male body and you can brake all the running women's record's. I'm surprised they haven't beat all the records yet.
Yeah they said to her when did it occur to you that you could set a world record??? She replied when i was in the bathroom shaving my testicles 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@HamishGarland Well definetly harder to detect, but i dont belive anti doping association really test drugs. They know all of the top athletes dope, they just use their test for future political games, just look at Russian a Jamaican athletes. I mean with Jamaican sprinters they found clenbuterol after like 8 years? Thats absolute joke, clenbuterol is one of the cheapest most well known drugs, and they cant find it in 8 years. Same as mechanical doping in cycling, i mean fcking TV reporters with heat cameras needed to do that not association.
@@alexmichl3137 I'm not going to deny that. With female athletes it is however a bit different. There was obviously a combination of steroids and testosterone in years past that todays pharmaceuticals can not match for many disciplines. Just look at the female shot put best performances over the last 40 years.
@@HamishGarland Yes i agree with that. Those women were truly muscular like men, on the other hand i dont know about every new steroid nowadays, maybe we will see crazy records, once they find something new. And quite frankly i dont blame them, its not a bad thing, as long as its safe, lets put doping substances in the sport, and lets see where human limit really is.
People who think long lasting records against doped athletes are set without doping are only slightly delusional, even if you didn't consider the other circumstances like the prime age of doping and a famously doped country. It is still pretty easy to do it without being caught, especially because the system is set up to not catch athletes too easily and the corruption, but back in the day athletes were able to blast all the way through the competitions even. The doping testing was not only in terribly infantile shoes, they didn't test almost anything, but it was also suffering from any understanding of what the athletes would use, and the lacking desire of catching spectacularly popular athletes from doing feats that made people very interested in following the sports, which meant more money in it. Everyone's free to make their own conclusions, but passing tests is not a sign of anything when even today with more knowledge about doping, more accurate tests with better resolution can't catch many athletes and even if they were caught, they're not always busted. Basically getting caught today means that either you're stupid or you believed that a higher authority would continue to protect you (like the unfathomable bust of Lu Xiaojun that people still can't explain, other than perhaps selling him for the whole Chinese team). Like people believe that you couldn't do doping in western societies with WADA testing and therefore western athletes are clean. Emphasis on believe. And the silly thing is the moral uproar against athletes that get caught and admiration of "clean records" as if the competition was clean. They're doing their job of being the best and performing interesting human feats.
@@hydrogen3266 how many male MMA athletes do you see with armpit hair? And once more, it would be weird as hell to see that... So I think you maybe Karen up the Wrong Woke Tree champ....
@@thumpyloudfoot864 MMA is actually nothing close to track events, so that equivalency makes no sense. Male track athletes have armpit hair, MMA is totally irrelevant. My point was that if men can medal and make world records in track, why is it “impressive” for a woman? You can try to cover it up now, but your original comment seems in my opinion to be sexist and I called it out 🤷🏻♀️
@@hydrogen3266 LMAOOO atheletes shave their body hair because less friction and its easier to apply ointments and creams to unobstructed skin... nothing of what I am saying is remotely sexist... go to bed...
I set a city record in the 1500 because i had to poop right before the race started. I ran slow at the start because I didn't want to crap myself during the race, but as it went on, my confidence grew that I could hold it in and I started to go faster. I won by about 100 meters, and ran straight to the bathroom
The only testing they did back then was testosterone to epitestosterone ratio and I've heard they would inject epitestoserone prior to testing to control the rations. Also, could have been using various other substances like HGH, IGF or EPO that couldn't be tested for back then.
They did not do doping tests between the competitions then, it was introduced 1989. Also, blood exchange doping is and was difficult to find out and was used a lot. Dropping out from a competition due some "problem" and making great in another event was a classic indication that some cheating was going on.
"23 secs in confused Picachu look , " found herself" , is that a picture of her brother your showing. Nope , well those were some cereals they used back then, for both the humans and the beef cattle.
There was no random out of competition testing prior to February, 1989. Funny that nearly every single women’s sprinting, middle distance, jumping & throwing record was set prior to 1989….
For the first time ever, all three medalists in Tokyo have emulated Kratochvilova's pacing strategy, running the distance in a negative split. Athing Mu's split was 57.8 and 57.4. The world record will surely be broken soon.
So i wrote a nice and liked, no comment
Ok boss
I seriously hope so. Mu came within two seconds of doing it in Tokyo - and this record has been the holy grail of athletics (by longevity at least).
What's split?
@@banhipal8635 Basically you count and compare the time it takes to run each half of the race. "Positive split" means your time increases, i.e the first 400 meters are faster than the last 400. "Negative split" is the opposite.
What i took from this as a runner: If you are feeling like you have an injury, just run twice as far and go really fast in the second half. done and done
🤡👌 good strategy it seems
@@___meph___4547 it was a joke
@@quandaledingle3085 they probably knew
@@wippok42 if they knew they wouldn't have completely explaijed what happened
What I took from it is take all the steroids
nothing wrong in this to be embarrassed about. she saved energy and then went all out. looks like a good strategy.
@@Cafe_TTV What? This 800 world record is literally using even splits. “Almost every world record in 800m” do you mean all 2 of them? 🤷🤦♂️
Also looks really doped
Good strategy & good nandrolone!
if youtube can decode this surely atheletes must have looked into this
@@JT0007 you do realize that the current records aren’t the first world records set in the 800, right?🤔
I was thinking about her pacing when I saw the timers and yeah it looks good tbh. Most runners in the 800 would use energy for the initial sprint, then try to preserve momentum in the middle by trying yo maintain pace and lastly pushing all of what you got towards the end. What she did was allow her body to constantly accelerate in the run thus allowing her to not to waste speed and this allows her to outpace the ones conserving in the middle as the race went on.
Unlike anyone else, she saved a lot in the first 200m then she kept gradual and constant acceleration which was also less taxing compared to most runners slowing and accelerating in the middle of the race. Her race is a perfect example of wise energy use which applies to 400/800 races.
So you think the only reason she set the record is because of her strategy, a strategy that nobody has tried before or since? You don't think the unnatural muscles on top of muscles didn't have anything to do with it?
@@TheWayToWin this is bs. Otherwise in the last 40 years this strategy would have been used by the other athletes (trained specifically for the 800m) and her record would have been destroyed
It took almost 40 years until finally someone has figured that out. Athing Mu is that girl.
@@TheWayToWin casters would have broken it this Olympics if she wasn't banned in this distance.
That’s pretty much how I always approached the 800 as a runner. Cruising speed on lap one, the crank it up starting around the 350 to go mark.
Yep my strat was always pace the 500m and kick the last 300m
If your close to someone else in the race then that naturally does happen as you both push each other ok the 2nd lap
Yeah. Decent pace, start speeding up at the 400 mark and then trying to gas it in the last 200.
To each his own, my strategy is to run the first 100 slower than everyone and then vomit
@@ChrisGraceComedy wise words. you must have a lot of experience and practice
not gonna lie, I thought this was gonna be some Men's obscure distance WR just by looking at the thumbnail
you and everyone else
Doper Coe Coe's 1,41,71 was tougher than Jarmila's ladies weak 1,53 the british army calculeted formula 76/69 difference between Men and women! So we get 1,41,71x76/69=1,51,87 And East German mens record 1,43,8! Ban All doping records like Randy Barnes 23,12 Jonathan Edwards 18,29 Griffith Joyner 10,49 Sergey Bubka 614 Mike Powell 895cm and so on! Not going to happen because the western world loves their dopers!!
@@user-en9qd5nx8wDoper Seb Coe's 1,41,71 was tougher than Jarmila's weak record! Coe will be IOC leader! Come on Doper Coe speaking Los Angeles Olympics in 2028!
Yes there is a quote from her that I can’t remember, but she basically said to achieve greatness you have to sacrifice beauty.
me too
Ah yes, a very easy record to break
17 of the top 25 world's fastest times in the women's 800 occurred before 1990 and 16 were Iron Curtain countries. State-sponsored doping programs existed and were better than the testing at the time. In fact, Russia was still cheating and beating the tests as recently as the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi Russia.
Yes, but this run was so fast because she was injured. LOL!
FACTS!!!
@@coolcat23 EXACTLY!!!
Some of the people that do this kind of Videos have lost common sense!!!
Aa of Americans don't 🤣
What's funny to me is that you guys in the west think that only the USSR and the eastern block was doing large scale state sponsored doping back then, and the US and the rest of the west didn't...they did, the Russians were just better at it. Americans are still doing it on a grand scale, just like the Russians, Chinese, the UK and all other powerful countries, the only difference between Russia, China and the US in recent years is the fact that the US athletes don't get tested because the US Olympic committee pinky promises that their athletes aren't doping...which is just hilariously bullshit and you literally have to have the intellect of a child to believe.
Even if she was on something I'd lay good odds most in the race were too. She was still the best out of all of them.
And everyone now is on sth too
Literally everyone in the Olympics is on steroids so I really don’t understand why people bring up doping as a way to take away from the record
That excuse didn’t work for Lance Armstrong and it doesn’t work here. Cheating is cheating. It’s absurd that anyone can take this ‘record’ seriously
@@philcorrigan5641 it’s absurd that bolts record can be taken seriously then I guess 😃
@@philcorrigan5641 also absurd that any of Michael Johnson’s records can be taken seriously, also no pro bodybuilder ever puts any work in at all since they all use roids 😃😃😃
Those were the days...
... of very heavy doping from childhood permanently damaging the adult. And not just eastern bloc. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen now
Juiced to the gills
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
A house and a half thanks to the sauzule
How could you tell😂😂😂
I'm not buying the narrator's story either. She has a painful injury, so she runs a little slower in the first part of the race and then pours it on in the second. Voila! World record.
@ford289cid7 yes, thats exactly what happened
To be fair, many other runners came at least close to that time. Unlike the 400m where nobody has come within 2 seconds of the record for ages, or 100/200m.
that’s because the women’s 100 and 200m was ran by a druggie aided by the wind
@hasslfoot Lance Armstrong and most of the cyclists at his time also never failed a test.
@hasslfoot Flojo was never tested in the year she set those records though
Look 99% of them use shit, stop seeing it as a judgment and start seeing it as it is… and maybe some day they can stop pretending and just going full tilt with enhancements. We would see some really cool shit
@@andrhorvath7464 maybe nowadays they just don't "sacrifice their lives enough for training", e.g. as they had to in the soviet era. Back there, the life of an individual did not matter much
Two points about her to add to the discussion. She was quite old at 32 when she broke two world records for the 400 and 800. Same pattern as JoFlo. Her appearance changed from a typical middle distance female runner, in her twenties, to a muscular looking athlete. Steroids allow an athlete to train harder and longer. That was a feature of her training regime from all accounts.
Yes, these days they are a bit smarter and use HGH and a lower dose of steroids.
Who is JoFlo?
FloJo was 28, not 32. FloJo was lean and long, not built like a powerlifter like the Eastern Bloc runners.
So what, not a single other 800 meter runner since has attempted the same strategy? Nah. It was just whichever substances she was on during training.
unfortunately, no one even tried. Everyone blindly believes in positive splitting. Dave Wottle did it accidentally in 1976 due to knee injuries and Yuri Borzakovsky tried a very similar but not quite the same strategy. Both became the Olympic champs.
@@TheWayToWin Wottle in 1972, rather.
@@TheWayToWinPretty sure Dave wasn’t loaded to the gills with industrial grade steroids.
My favorite part is when they ran fast
Haha Legs go brmmm.
😂😂😂
I'm kind of partial to the left turns.
I was in the stadium. I saw this live!
Nice.
Eastern Bloc "athlete support" at its best. No way this record would last since 1983 without doping. Kratochvílová was a great athlete but she wouldn't run like that without a state-sponsored doping. And I'm saying this as someone from the Czech Republic. It is shameful the IAAF didn't scrap this record and the others, like the otherworldly Soviet and East German records (women's shot put e.g.).
But if it was just about pacing, why haven't others taken that approach and beaten it? I can't seriously believe that all world class athletes are that bad at strategy in their run
She was doping. The world record is considered a joke.
@@Basetornado you're saying that just as if it is that ez... You just get doped and you make a world record... Why don't you try take every banned substance possible and break a world record if it is a joke on steroids... Also, if it was that ez, than why aren't great marathons like Boston, London, Berlin being won by some no name guys on juice??
@@MARCELpurger You need talent for sure, but it's a joke of a record. She was doping extensively. It takes away any merit from her record.
@@MARCELpurger not why aren't... why _weren't_.
@@har234908234 I am asking question in present simple tense.. It is a fact question, hence using present simple is superior towards past simple.. Fron which country you are?
Count me as skeptical. The Eastern Bloc doping program was sophisticated and durable and many of the Russian athletes of the Sochi games also "never failed a drug test" until years later when reserve samples were exposed to new tests. Obviously she shouldn't be stripped of her record on suspicion alone. But the conclusion of the video, that all you need to do is run a slow, smooth first lap seems like a replicable and testable hypothesis. The fact that after 37 years her record stands, but not her strategy, means that either she was a uniquely gifted athlete with an unusual alignment of non-replicable circumstances to give her a durable edge, or she was juiced.
"the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
It is in the scientific community as you can’t prove a negative. For example, there’s no evidence that you rape donkeys, but if we turn that around, there’s no evidence that you don’t rape donkeys
no Christoph5782. The lack of comprehensive blood testing and positive tests in that era doesn't we should presume, looking back, that the athletes were clean.
Unless you are in fact agreeing that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
you are clearly a serial killer. See what i did there?
Would you condemn somebody without evidences, because "this may be"?
@@bertvandenberg7010Yes, you said made a fatuous analogy that makes you sound ignorant.
The russian accent on her name is funny to me as a person from Slovakia, because it was Czechoslovakia... not Russia 😆
I expected some scientific explanation at the end, saying the pain in her legs was caused by something like an inability to produce lactic acid, which probably would have caused health concerns after the race. I thought it was heading that way when you said she never failed a drug test, but no, you're essentially saying she simply used a strategy that no one has considered before or since, and she was definitely on something.
Absolutely. The secret in these explosive disciplines is not to let the body start flooding itself with lactic acid, and she probably was best at such strategy. It's lactic acid athletes despise because it locks or freezes your legs and you are toast after that.
400 meters and 800 meters are the disciplines where body goes into a dramatic oxygen deprivation; some athletes admit they run their last meters almost blind as their body is trying to draw every molecule of oxygen into running muscles.
Kratochvilova was most likely keenly aware where her lactic acid spillout limit is and she developed her tactical game around that knowledge. With strategic training, one can move the lactic acid barrier further, so I think she and her Coach built her training plan according to that knowledge. You actually can prolong the time where lactic acid starts shutting you down with specialized training. And of course, she would be stupid to give her strategy away.
So as a result, thousands of ignorants who know nothing about training now accuse her of doping.
She can care less....I can tell you that
@@mitsanut5869 *couldnt care less
Amazing how many Women's Track and Field records set in the 1980s are still on the books, isn't it?
And we don't really need to go to just worry about the Cold War issues. Yeah, Russia and East Germany had systematic programs. But Americans like Flo Jo and Jackie Joyner-Kersee were 'roided out of their eyeballs too.
there’s nothing to actually suggest flo jo used steroids. she was constantly tested (and was clean), and i believe they’ve tested old preserved samples of hers using new modern methods and STILL found nothing. she just weight trained like crazy
Andsome of the US they were still roided out in 2000s see Marion Jones.
They all on dope even today if you dope right you can pass any tests
@@Lucy-fn9rj Wrong, samples were discarded at that time. Since 2005 the olympics started storing samples for retesting. Some members of the olympics said that all records before 2005 should be erased. Besides that, The Soviet Union made all the testings. And now the Russians are banned for cheating tests.
The 80´s were the golden era of trying new drgus, many athletes died trying new things. Tests weren´t good, even simple things like the erythropoyetin hormone wasnt tested.
@@Lucy-fn9rj "nothing to suggest" - are you taking the pi$$?! She died at an early age due to a heart attack, her times can't be touched even by modern micro-dosing TUES-using athletes 🤣🤣 She never failed, just like Lance Armstrong never failed, just like Marion Jones never failed. You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think she was clean LOL. She's the Bolt of the 1980s.
I don't blame her, she would not have had a choice but I'm betting she probably had some extra help
these were state-sponsored drug programs. Refusal was not an option. Athletes were told these were vitamins and supplements. After the fall of the iron curtain plenty of documents were discovered that describe this.
I watched this race on TV and many others with the same athlete competing. I would discount most East German results if that era!
Fortunately for her, she wasn't East German, so she's got your seal of approval.
I would discount most results from that era*
Fixed
@@djibytop6724 Totally. USA wasn't much better. It was pretty much an arms race between the East and West.
No need to say, that there are sceptics.
It will be rather difficult to find someone who genuinely believes, that this was a clean record.
Many US records from that era probably weren't clean as well. Let's take 100m men, do you know some guys recently convinced with doping? Gay, Gatlin, both USA, and that's today, what about 80s...
I wonder if I use this technique could I improve my 800m time from 10 minutes to under 2, it’s possible I think, very possible, 🤔
She admitted getting shots every week, but thought they were B12 shots... and she still seems to believe that.
(you don't need to get B12 weekly, as it can be stored in the body for YEARS. That was already known in the 80s)
If she simply won because of her strategy, then the record would've been broken many years ago since the strategy was no secret. Therefore, you have to consider what other advantages she might've had..
No one had ever attempted this strategy before. The only one who recently tried it was Marco Arop. He mirrored Kratochvilova’s approach, running an impressive negative split of 51.1 + 50.1 to secure the silver medal. Unfortunately, the race wasn’t tailored to assist him, as his rivals stood in his way, forcing him to cover several extra meters, resulting in a time of 1:41.20. Had the race been set up to assist him, he might have already broken the record
No human steroids were used in the making of this film.
They used that good horse ish.
🐴
Sir please try to upload weekly, cause it's great
thanks for watching!
@@Hengel_Andrews Thanks for watching. There was very little information about Kratochvilova in English, so I read everything that could be read in Czech using the Google translator.
Aha the good old days, when the eastern block, had men running in both male and female comps. Great memories.
Let me assure everyone that Czech women normally DON'T look like this :) Let me also add that there was a state-sponsored doping programme in Czechoslovakia, and if you refused to participate, you didn't get to compete in international events.
I've been to Prague. I agree about the attractiveness of Czech women.
even worse
BALCO...do u know this US laboratory?
@bartbart6545 BALCO wasn't a government lab or program, nor was Victor Conte working with the entire team, and doing so from childhood.
@ the comments: I get the resentment towards this world record but I think going as far as calling her a man just because you think she looks like one is a bit too far
It is more about making fun of that a drug test at this time couldn't prove that she was on roids even if she looked more manly than Arnold Schwarzenegger
"As the crowd noise was getting very loud" -- you can clearly see in the video that the stands were almost completely empty during the race.
that's when women were drugged up look and perform like men...now we have men drugged up, to perform like men / look like women against women !!!! WTF !!
When men were women and women were men.
everything you just said was so backwards
@@justanotherrandomemily No, it is right.
She?
Every woman track and field record is not clean record. They should have 2 sets of records one for when there was no random drug testing and 1 for not.
You don't think men would dope too, considering how much more lucrative it is?
@@VinylUnboxings oh hell yes but since they already have good hormones for athletes it doesn't help as much. Never forget each country is in charge of there own drug testing, so smaller countries can not get caught as easily. The only reason Russia caught because they had far to many athletes and 1of those Athletes did not want to dope but could not compete without doping so she turned in everyone else. Small poor countries are never going to turn in their athletes.
@@jeffreyrose4421 That's a ridiculous claim to say that PEDs don't help men as much. I don't even know where to start with how inane that is, _why_ do you think that?
And it's not just because of that firl. You're completely discounting that Grigory Rodchenkov was the head of the WADA lab in Russia and that he came forward with information about the state sponsored doping program. I legitimately don't know where you could be sourcing this information from
As long as we admit this is also true for Americans like flojo.
@@sierralimasierra4439 of coarse no women suddenly gets fast in there 30's because they train hard.
This women was obviously doping, no way you could run that close to the lead and then make up that much distance without tiring slower. The final sprint makes it even more clear.
What do you mean there’s no evidence of doing? She got super hero triangular torso.
That does not count as evidence
she?
*It's not what you know, it's what you prove*
-Alonzo
Have you heard of circumstantial evidence?
Or what's credible.
Wdym
@@musik102 Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far as you'll need real proof of evidence to convict someone. The way I see it, even if she was cheating, the rest of the field were also cheating and she beat them all.
@@saysoun752 All you need to know is that we have proof that East Germany had a government approved mass doping programme, and all of the Eastern European counties were doing something similar. Also, how come once the Eastern Block fell apart all the record breaking stopped. And, lots of cases have seen people convicted on circumstantial evidence alone.
IS THIS WHAT THAT ANIMATRIX SHORT WAS BASED ON, THE GUY WHO RAN SO FAST HE BROKE HIMSELF OUT OF THE MATRIX
Good work, Ripley.
Big brain comment 😂💙
HAHAHAAHAH
The leg pain was an infection from an injection site
or she ripped her joints cuz her muscles are to jacked
All efforts should start gradually. You get much more when the muscles enter full power after a bit of warmup.
Why does my guy look like Stallone in rocky
I can hear the music.... du nu nun.... du nun nun..... awesome! 🤩
nah she def wasnt doping. looks all natural, just like a regular woman
There's a few "perfect" comments, few and far between, but this is a gem
She was dirty
No, her outfit looks very clean.
@@terrya8989 Good point.
Seriously… no evidence for doping??? I thought it was a dude😂
38 years. That's incredible wow.
I have a friend who thinks there should be a performance enhanced olympics and another non enhanced olympics. Its an interesting thought. Even the playing fields and let those who want to risk their health do it while those who want to stay clean have a fairer go at it. Thought for the day 🙂
This is a frankie Boyle joke from about 8 years ago.
Didn't know that. My friend genuinely makes a very interesting argument for it. I must look up the Frankie Boyle bit.
The sponsors would only be interested in the 'clean' Olympics, which is where the money would be and everyone would still be claiming to be clean while juicing their behinds off.
@@johnbull1568 Reminds me of the old joke that if all weapons were banned and wars had to be settled by arm wrestling, the country with the most nuclear bombs would win.
and none of the enhanced athletes would compete in the non-enhanced events? Yeah, right.
That’s a f’ing woman?! Holy shit, yeah she was doped up like crazy
All I hear is Austin Powers voice “that’s a man baby”.
Or Little Nicky's voice, "Dude looks like a LADY"
Imagine how fast she’d run without an injury. This lady’s a machine.
Lady ??
She was juicing 100%
09:58 will never fall.
Bittch you got me
@@glkglkglkglk9193 he wasn't trying to get anyone, he's probably referencing Usain Bolt's WR
With legal wind assistance and a super early legal start it can purely because 9.60s are possible .
Some guy in 2021 found a time machine and went back to slower times. Can’t get any more desperate for a medal than that.
Sure you can. Nowadays you simply can say you transgender and you're really a woman trapped in a male body and you can brake all the running women's record's. I'm surprised they haven't beat all the records yet.
@@jesseribbey i have taken up womens boxing, im really good
@@gregoryeverson741 wtf are you imane khelif💀
@@gregoryeverson741 That comment did age well. LOL
thats a dude
Russia test experiment
Ah yes because having an injury and running longer distances would only help
Ah yes indeed!
If you look at her in her sitting photo she literally has leg hair, and arm hair. I mean it's not even a question.
I mean women do grow leg and arm hair...
However she definitely was 'roiding hard.
when someone dominates by like half a track length ahead of the entire rest of the pack...
couldn't possibly be substance related
The rest of the pack was doing it as well so I would put that on her talent
@@djibytop6724 Maybe they simply didn't roid as much her.
@@djibytop6724
the rest of the pack was dominating ahead of the rest of the pack ? . . . 🤔
@@mentilly_all the rest of the pack was taking peds as well
Call me crazy I don't think that woman was racing clean.
You're of no use 😊
Sovjet athlete …. Yeah I,m 100% sure you are right with your statement , no wonder no one can break it .
Yeah they said to her when did it occur to you that you could set a world record??? She replied when i was in the bathroom shaving my testicles 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
She had so much horse steroids in her, she could have won the Belmont Stakes!!!🐴👍🏽
Yeah, I didnt even think it was a women before the narratorbsaid 'she'.
What needs to be addressed, is the so-called transgender Males, competing against biological women .That's outright unfair to the real Women.
Pretty sure Lance Armstrong is more legit than this 👍
If no one can break, is it really overrated?
Love how people in comment section act like every athlete nowaday is clean 😂 the peds just changed and got better guys.
Not better, just harder to detect.
@@HamishGarland Well definetly harder to detect, but i dont belive anti doping association really test drugs. They know all of the top athletes dope, they just use their test for future political games, just look at Russian a Jamaican athletes. I mean with Jamaican sprinters they found clenbuterol after like 8 years? Thats absolute joke, clenbuterol is one of the cheapest most well known drugs, and they cant find it in 8 years. Same as mechanical doping in cycling, i mean fcking TV reporters with heat cameras needed to do that not association.
@@alexmichl3137 I'm not going to deny that.
With female athletes it is however a bit different. There was obviously a combination of steroids and testosterone in years past that todays pharmaceuticals can not match for many disciplines. Just look at the female shot put best performances over the last 40 years.
@@HamishGarland Yes i agree with that. Those women were truly muscular like men, on the other hand i dont know about every new steroid nowadays, maybe we will see crazy records, once they find something new. And quite frankly i dont blame them, its not a bad thing, as long as its safe, lets put doping substances in the sport, and lets see where human limit really is.
@@alexmichl3137 have you read Speed Trap by Charlie Francis? It provides some useful perspective on how we got to this point.
Let’s see 200m sub 22. 400m sub 48. 800m sub 1:54. SURE. The 100,200,400 and 800 world records are probably out of reach with modern testing!
Oh yee of little faith
Do you guys remember Gwen Dillajuana? She ran a negative split of 58, 57 and set the Oklahoman record for the mile or something like that.
Those “hairy” days.
“ITS MAAM”
Lol I just spat my coffee out at that
People who think long lasting records against doped athletes are set without doping are only slightly delusional, even if you didn't consider the other circumstances like the prime age of doping and a famously doped country. It is still pretty easy to do it without being caught, especially because the system is set up to not catch athletes too easily and the corruption, but back in the day athletes were able to blast all the way through the competitions even. The doping testing was not only in terribly infantile shoes, they didn't test almost anything, but it was also suffering from any understanding of what the athletes would use, and the lacking desire of catching spectacularly popular athletes from doing feats that made people very interested in following the sports, which meant more money in it.
Everyone's free to make their own conclusions, but passing tests is not a sign of anything when even today with more knowledge about doping, more accurate tests with better resolution can't catch many athletes and even if they were caught, they're not always busted. Basically getting caught today means that either you're stupid or you believed that a higher authority would continue to protect you (like the unfathomable bust of Lu Xiaojun that people still can't explain, other than perhaps selling him for the whole Chinese team). Like people believe that you couldn't do doping in western societies with WADA testing and therefore western athletes are clean. Emphasis on believe. And the silly thing is the moral uproar against athletes that get caught and admiration of "clean records" as if the competition was clean. They're doing their job of being the best and performing interesting human feats.
Nobody's gonna point out the fact she did this while having Don King and Little Richard under each arm? Thats just as impressive...
Plenty of men run with underarm hair so the joke isn’t that funny, just a little sexist lol
@@hydrogen3266 sexist? Not quite... Like you implied lots of human beings shave their armpit hair... especially athletes...
@@hydrogen3266 how many male MMA athletes do you see with armpit hair? And once more, it would be weird as hell to see that... So I think you maybe Karen up the Wrong Woke Tree champ....
@@thumpyloudfoot864 MMA is actually nothing close to track events, so that equivalency makes no sense. Male track athletes have armpit hair, MMA is totally irrelevant. My point was that if men can medal and make world records in track, why is it “impressive” for a woman? You can try to cover it up now, but your original comment seems in my opinion to be sexist and I called it out 🤷🏻♀️
@@hydrogen3266 LMAOOO atheletes shave their body hair because less friction and its easier to apply ointments and creams to unobstructed skin... nothing of what I am saying is remotely sexist... go to bed...
Lol before you even mentioned juicing I was drafting a comment in my head about the soviets and doping XD
Anybody in the 80s and doping*
And.. she clearly states to " never have taken a banned substance" .. emphasis on banned... Only nandralone was banned at this point.
That’s a man, baby!
Athing Mu recently ran 1:55.04 at the Prefontaine Classic. And she is only 19yrs old. She is only a freshman in college at Texas A&M.
From the thumbnail, I thought that was Bruce Jenner in 1976.
SHE?!!?
I set a city record in the 1500 because i had to poop right before the race started. I ran slow at the start because I didn't want to crap myself during the race, but as it went on, my confidence grew that I could hold it in and I started to go faster. I won by about 100 meters, and ran straight to the bathroom
Super cool story! Can I use it for the next video?
@@TheWayToWin Well there isn't really enough to it to make a video about, just a funny memory from my track days
The only testing they did back then was testosterone to epitestosterone ratio and I've heard they would inject epitestoserone prior to testing to control the rations. Also, could have been using various other substances like HGH, IGF or EPO that couldn't be tested for back then.
They did not do doping tests between the competitions then, it was introduced 1989.
Also, blood exchange doping is and was difficult to find out and was used a lot.
Dropping out from a competition due some "problem" and making great in another event was a classic indication that some cheating was going on.
Because it was practically a man running in a woman's race. That "record" should be struck from the books.
How so?
Didnt know Alain prost did track and field
Hahahahaah! Good one!
Whilst the Eastern Bloc countries were *under arms* embargoes, this athlete was able to *shave* a good margin of the world record.
nice
She still has the record for the last female to compete in the Olympics with a gorilla's armpit...some say it gave her an unfair advantage.
So injured and the next day she beats a record.
Yeah clean as a whistle for sure.
Built like an outside linebacker
1:00 guys after quarantine
who is that man ??
"23 secs in confused Picachu look , " found herself" , is that a picture of her brother your showing. Nope , well those were some cereals they used back then, for both the humans and the beef cattle.
There was no random out of competition testing prior to February, 1989. Funny that nearly every single women’s sprinting, middle distance, jumping & throwing record was set prior to 1989….
She ? Did I hear it right ?
Well that's obviously a guy.
Eastern block pharmaceuticals are the best !
the covid vax works, lol
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
The man talking: JaRmIlA kRaToChViLoVa
Usually muscles cramps and injuries also don't feel when body gets warmer which in this case seems as the runner was not Sprinting initially
That's the way Secretariat ran the Kentucky Derby.
ROIDS!
💉💉💉
She looks manlier than me.
Common trend among top female athletes
@@seanwhitehall4652 yup serena came immediately to my mind.
@@theeasypeasysquad4169 how the hell does Serena look manly
@@toad3222 maybe some research will point it out if you take some time to do it
If testosterone is the measurement tool, she is manlier than you. About 10X more manly than you.
Momma!!.... there goes that man...
Well run, Sir.
What about the conpsiracy theory that Semenya could've gotten it but choose not to go for it to avoid more backlash?