History Can Hide in Horse-Drawn Wagons | Part of Restoring is Discovery
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- This is how I search for, and record, original stripes and letters on original, antique wagons, buggies or stagecoaches. The process is shown here on a "Hickory" wagon I am renovating/restoring and finding out what was original. Thanks for watching.
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I keep on watching , then I get interrupted, rewind , start again . I must watch every one of Dave's videos 6 times to see them once . Worth it though . 👍🇬🇧
You are a man of numerous talents. Blacksmith, wheelwright, carpenter, historian, videographer, machinist, and archeologist.
Years ago you would be called a Renaissance Man. I enjoy your channel, and the video is informative and educational.
That was/is one FANCY wagon!
Ten Pan jest naprawdę Mistrzem w swoim fachu .
Pozdrawiam z Polski .
Hands and mind of an artist.
Good afternoon from SE Louisiana 3 Mar 21.
I'm amazed at the great condition of the paint as well as the rest of the bits and pieces.
Thanks for the video.
I like the fact that you are using the steamer insert from a 1950's electric stove for your water!
How awesome that is! There's probably a soul in heaven looking down and watching you refurbish his wagon. Just smiling and enjoying your work! Best regards, always.
Thanks for watching !! .Thank you for taking the time and trouble to upload another one of your superb video's. In my long lifetime I have met many ''jack of all trades but master of none''
You are a master of many trades and a joy to watch the detail in your work with the excellent finished result be it iron work, wheelwright, carpentry, coach building .
I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate every aspect of your videos. So much, skill, artistry, and love of what you do is evident in each episode. Thank you for taking the time to record and share your effort.
Wow. I use to work for WW Trailers in Oklahoma and worked in the trim department pen stripping those same (S) designs on their trailers,
Love to see the old trades being preserved. True artistry. Keep up the good work!
A lot of us never actually retire, we just pick up new trades and have a passion for staying busy.
P. S. I'm 75. Retired from Westinghouse, and Siemens Power Generation but learn new things daily (some from Engels Coach Shop)
Thanks for the video.
I don't know how you find enough hours in a day to do what you do. Amazing!
i also have made that comment hard to see how he has the time
Far more colorful than I would have thought but when you think of it, color and ornamentation (and an advertising plug!) seem natural and a human trait that no doubt is dozens of centuries old.
Neat stencil trick 😎
As a woodworker I very much enjoy watching how you build these wagons.There is so much involved in each and every step. Thank you for making these videos .
This piece will a work of art once restored.
That looks like an amazingly well preserved antique. Fun to determine what is present and then duplicate the details after painting. Looks like this is a real restoration, not a jack up the irons and build new one. Lots of fund detective work.
Rolling history, thank you for what you do!
So amazing that after all the hours of hand crafting this rolling stock the maker still took time to embellish it with striping. I suppose that was the "maker's mark" as the seller emblazoned their name all over the wagon the manufacturer got their licks in. Of course the seller was a wholesaler who bought and paid for the wagon from the manufacturer, they were entitled to place their label on it. We buy many products today not knowing who manufactured them. Your research & restoration work is much appreciated and enlightening. Thank you.
You should add a nice brass plaque with nice lettering and attach it someplace with Engels Coach Shop, date, address and phone #.
Neat how the clues pop up. Thanks for sharing. At the weekly carshow you see examples of pin striping, didn't know it's not something new.
Very Interesting. I just happen to live about 10 miles from the original Piedmont Wagon factory in Hickory NC. There is a possibility there may be actual drawings of the wagon's artwork. Our local historical museum has quite a bit of info on that company. We have one of their miniature wagons in our local museum. Not sure if it was a display sample or designed to be pulled by smaller farm animals.
I also thoroughly enjoy and appreciate every aspect of your videos. So much, skill, artistry, and love of what you do is evident in each episode. Thank you for taking the time to record and share your effort.
Great video. Appreicate your work.
Thank you so much for sharing
A high level of historical preservation is always in the small details. Thank you for your attention to the small details.
Excellent job....I sure hope the lack of 'likes' don't scare you off.......I think it is because you are not well known....
top class i was reared in a blacksmiths family ireland great detail
Exellent research.
I have to wonder how many "experts" would have recognized the detail in the outline of a hub.
Instead of applying the water with the sponge and chancing rubbing off some of the old finish, use a spray bottle to apply a fine mist of water. No rubbing no damage to the old surface.
JIM
The 2-digit number is the phone number for Anders and Sons. 36.
Stripes are cool, they make your vehicle go faster.
Wow,just wow
In the 1980's I knew a carnival pinstriper. He was in his 20's
at that time. Even then I think carnivals were in decline.
I suspect this wagon was originally in a more showy environment than
farm work.
Wonderful video !! You and your talent are absolutely awesome. Thanks so much for sharing with the public. Is the wagon coming back to Mississippi (where I am) when you finish it. I cannot thank you enough.
I have photographed signs as a slide and projected them onto a surface to trace the sign. The biggest was an emblem of U. S. Gypsum that was about 3 feet in diameter. I still have it. I was thinking of using a camera mounted on a tripod for stability and setting up the pieces a measured distance from the camera lens so you can figure out the scale. If possible take several using different lighting and filters to bring out the details and colors. The use of infra-red is a good one. Just don't overheat the subject. The show CSI used this technique to bring out details. Good luck.
Fascinating glimpse into this wagons history! thank you...
Just as a point of information tracing paper can be purchased at various levels of translucency-Very translucent paper may be of use to you in difficult imaging situations.
I really liked the use of mineral spirits to help clear the paper. similar to what we do when we wish to enhance the grain/ figure of a piece while matching up pieces in furniture making. In paper you are trying to match the refractive index of the paper, I wonder if other liquids like harmless glycerin might work?
regards
vic
Next change you get, try and see how a spray bottle does at cutting the old substrate of dirt. I've used in the past to remove lime off walls to reveal paintings (restoration) and frescos. It's a very gentle, but effective method as it peppers the loose material with tiny droplets. I find that bottles coming from those TV cleaning kits are the most effective of the bunch closely followed by nasal spray bottles for tiny details or areas you don't want to fully clean.
Wonder if an infrared lense would show the design. Powdered lead in older paint formulas may help it show up nicely. Using light to add a little heat might help. Just thinking as I watch. Good day.
EngelsCoachShop I was thinking something similar. Most digital cameras, including the one in your cell phone, have some sensitivity in the infrared range. Though they add a filter to most, the sensitivity is still greater than the human eye in most cases. So you might try illuminating with an infrared source and viewing through camera. (To illistrate this just point a remote control at phone or camera and see blinking code of remote.) You might even try seeing what a black light (UV) shows up, but not through a camera as most DON'T have much UV sensitivity.
That wagon appeared to be made to last. Everything was painted prior to assembly, something I have only ever occasionally seen before in buggy's.
You must have had a good art teacher.
Never an artistic bone? Ridiculous!
I know this is a three plus year old video now so I'm not sure you will see this comment, but I noticed the worm damage in the wood on the rear axle. And was wondering if there was any chance that it might be made of American Chestnut? I do know a lot of American Chestnuts trees that died from the blight experienced worm damage before they could be milled for lumber.
Your bucket looks like the hot water reservoir from an old kitchen stove. Is it?
I noticed the stripes on the metal, on your first pass, several minutes before you mentioned them.
I currently live in Hickory NC and Piedmont Wagon is well known local history. I'm originally from Oil City PA and there was many years ago a company called Kramer Wagon Works. Just curious if you every came across one of their wagons?
Have you ever worked on an antique hand pump fire engine also known as a Handtub. And if so what manufacturers. Thanks!
Another impressive and thoroughly interesting video, by which the thoughts provoked will have me occupied for hours. I can't help but acknowledge the failure I feel to describe in words, the new understanding and confirmation of dedication to work ethics of some in previous generations. Was it common ? More common ? Or were these people and companies as scarce in their time as they seem to be today ?
I can imagine either a large shop or small factory churning out parts and products by different employee's or specialists contracting wood & metal work, painting, etc ... on an individual basis. But to imagine you tackling every aspect of the rebuild is mind boggling and impressive !
You evoke inspiration and certainly pass on a feeling that maybe anyone can accomplish or succeed at their own interests. :)
Thanks again for sharing,
Steph_Louisiana
I'm glad to learn this :) You are a true American treasure !
I just watched your : Wagon Hubs : Art of the Wheelwright series along w/ the Borax Wagon Hubs video's. I noticed the volume of creativity in design, obviously required to develop the plethora of tools and/or jigs necessary to create the many elements of each build. I imagine many of your specialty tools and jigs just are not readily available on the market.
I found satisfaction in working wood w/ my hands, the cutting, fitting and finishing associated w/ wood working ......... or other things like metal work, yard work, music or even cooking. But, I believe the aspect of improvisation, invention, the challenge to figure out a way to solve a unique or uncommon issue was what woke me up in the morning, eager to get back to the shop or jobsite :) It really tickles me to learn tricks of the trades !
Your rotors solution to turn 300lb hub blanks, your simple miniature traveler for hub rings or hammering the rings against the angle on your anvil to close them up are inspirational.
I use to be upset that I spent money on a cheap alarm clock, only to wake up one minute before it went off. For years I'd turn off the alarm at 5:29, one minute before it rang. Now, w/ the excitement I feel from watching how you resolve unique problems, I think I know why I woke up all those years before the alarm went off :)
It's funny to me that I never put my thumb on it before :)
Love your video's,
Steph
My great-grandmother wanted my great-grandfather to buy a new wagon because she was ashamed to ride in his old wagon. She kept bugging him until he finally gave in and bought a new wagon. The first ride into town, a motor car backfired and spooked the horse and it took off with the new wagon and destroyed it. She didn't bug him after that.
Beautiful work both by the original builder and then what you are doing. Any chance that the gold color is gold leaf and that is why it is so well preserved? I can see hand applied gold leaf with the black pin stripping being done on a "fancy" wagon or buggy. Looking forward to following this build. Great video with lots of good information. BTW the music didn't bother me a bit.
I was think it might have been leaf as when you cleaned off the dirt the gold seemed to be the only stuff left behind.
A lot of patience displayed, reflecting your great craftsmanship. How much would the green/red paint job with the striping add to the cost of a wagon? Were they ALL painted? Will you remake the heavenly rusted metal or make new?
Lou Adzima j
Enjoyed the entire video series, just wish we could see the finished wagon with the lettering and striping in place.
Thank you
Curious to know why this was posted as a Microsoft News video? Love that old style drop shading on the letters.
His channel got hijacked for awhile recently, but it's back to normal now.
You found nearly all of the 'lost art' ---ENGEL'S DETECTIVE SERVICE
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Another great video. For tracing I recommend Drafting Film that can be found in Drafting Supplies. No need to increase transparency with paint thinner. It used to be available in long rolls but CAD has greatly reduced the need for it. Old drafting supply businesses would be you best bet.
I wonder where all the green comes from... maybe sprayed by some kind of copper preservative to wait for restoring?
So, were the locust hubs still intact after 100 years?
I was thinking the same thing
Cyril Hudak I helped tamp in locust fence posts 60+ years ago in Kentucky that are still standing and holding staples for galvanized woven wire cattle fence. The fencing is about gone but 9/10 of the posts are solid. Properly harvested, stripped and seasoned, locust (similar to mesquite) is impervious to rot and vermin.
All the tracing shows how it was done before computer scanners
Here is a little history on the seller. Www.cljnews.com/20170414teardown-will-start-monday-on-anders-building
Maybe instead of tracing you could use a hand held scanner. I have seen these types of scanners in the past that were for portable use in scanning documents.
The dirt preserve de paint, now you can restore the design.
There must be a CAD package where you plot what you can see and it will fill in the missing bits.
Mergrew 01 --- His CAD package is his mind, it sees and it fills and it remembers....most craftsmen are pretty much like that. I bet he could help design said CAD package!
Do you correct mistakes in the original artwork (stripes and lettering) or try to reproduce it exactly?
Thanks for the explanation.
"Ducks and geese better scurry... "
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I'm from Tallahassee FL which is about 60 miles from Blountstown, FL. Here is an article about J.F. Anders and Sons.... www.cljnews.com/20170414teardown-will-start-monday-on-anders-building
Bit of History on JF Anders & Son.
www.cljnews.com/20170414teardown-will-start-monday-on-anders-building
I see even back then dealers plastered their name on your vehicle for some free advertisement.
assembly line like ford.... get a grip to were every peace were it goes.....