I love this over-the-top miracle series. Over the top is such a bad word and that needs to change. There are so many ways path, fact to path, lie angle and face twist can marry up to create something functional. Great work!
As a Canadian, I was fortunate enough to learn as a junior from Mr. Knudson and then his protégé Ben Kern as I was growing up. Helped set me on my way of becoming a PGA member. George was simply an incredible striker of the ball, lost his battle with cancer too early as he had just started putting all his ideas down for the masses. If you have a chance watch his instructional video "The Swing Motion" filmed in Bermuda and his book written with Lorne Rubenstein " Natural Golf Swing" You will find little golden nuggets spread out through both.
Christo, I bought the OTT (42 min) video. Great stuff. It worked right away. First time I felt comfortable with a full, no sway, hip turn on the backswing. As long as I keep the shoulders closed and left arm pressed to chest on the downswing, the ball comes out at 1 o'clock and draws back to 12 noon. Medium height.
George has the most gorgeous swing, another great ball striker who struggled with his putting, this is a great series of Ott swings you are posting, natural and easy on the body, no wonder most of yesterday's great players had such a long career
Well done again Christo with this Knudson video. This is a bit serendipitous for me as I wanted to mention him to you. Quick story I took lesson fron George in 1981 and 1982 at The National Golf Club in Toronto. I even played 18 holes with him. He was indeed a purest at ball stricking. If he could have putted he would have been a dominant player. He was also a very kind hearted man with his time and knowledge....he would say. "You don't play golf to relax... You need to relax to play golf, tension free " Keep up the good work mon ami.. 👏👏👏❤️😊👍🥂🇨🇦
@@MiracleSwingExperience Pleasure....👍 He would say that we need to remember that golf is a target game thus everything must finish at the target full weight on the left side so u could stand on one leg and pose for a picture. One time he asked me to pick a target and in turn pointed at a tree in the range...His reply was...No no I meant which branch. He was that good Christo. The sound, the crispest of the strike every time was a real treat to see. Finally the story goes that he and Moe Norman would compete to see how many pins they could hit in a round. That's a whole different level of accuracy.
@@MiracleSwingExperience You're very welcome. Please check out his TH-cam video "The Swing Motion" You'll pick up some other cool tidbits that you can use for teaching and helping other enjoy this beautiful game. Merci ! Santé ! 🥂
Hello, I am a frenchman living near Montpellier (South of France). You can find the book "the natural golf swing" written by Georges Knudson. Very interesting !
Funny got a clip of this guys swing recommended to me after watching one of your videos also love your OTT swing I struggle with push’s and hooks so will start training it today
The look of the move left in the downswing is a result of the move down on the right leg and the right shoulder going down more than around. It is not the right shoulder dropping, but the right shoulder pressuring to support the throw. The pressures that are the cause of the look are what is important. The intention to smash the ball leads to the rotation you see
In a swing where the entire club is moved as a cohesive unit, without any levering motion of the shaft and with "passive hands," as George Knudson described, the club maintains its plane throughout the backswing, which is often misperceived as an inside swing. However, due to the golfer’s intent to direct the club towards the target-where the shaft at some point aligns with the base of the target-and the intention to finish at full height, the circular motion of the club in the forward swing naturally shifts linearly towards the target. This can create a subtle perception of an over-the-top move, but in reality, the club remains on its plane. Many golfers who actually swing over-the-top do so without fully engaging the entire club in its purest sense, nor do they properly direct the club towards the target where the shaft points at its base during the forward motion. In general, the perception of the swing as a backward and downward motion, instead of a backward and forward motion in which everything moves in the same direction at the same time, results in a variety of poorly coordinated motions. Golfers who succeed in spite of this have to shallow the club in the forward motion. Knudson did not have to shallow the club. All this aside, Knudson's book is called "The Natural Golf Swing" for a reason -- when you know where the club is going and you can visualize it, then the swing motion becomes a response to the target without any technical or mechanical thoughts whatsoever.
Divot moving left!! Yes! Thank you for pointing this out…Man, I appreciate your work and diligence 👍🏽 . I’m pounding shots… my wedge “book is being rewritten “😉!
Thanks for this video Christo! Oh Canada! I notice after impact George drags his trail foot heel up towards the target on longer shots. I've seen Mr. Hogan do this and there must be a name for this move that seems to allow the trail side to "release" to the target.
The momentum of his left side pulls that trailing foot forward. Akin to a parachute that deploys on a drag racing car something has got to slow him down otherwise he would overshoot the runway and crash into the trees, unless of course he has wings which would likely fly him all the way to Pinehurst non stop.
Pause at 3:51 at his setup, make note his whole body finishes level on that line with the square on it. That itself is a lesson in swing dynamics rights there Also at 4:23 his right hip has rotated inside that first dot you put on the screen, anyone and everyone who early extends this is the absolute perfect example of how the hips should move, back, across and up, NEVER around. His hands have so much room to just rip through the ball 👌
Great video dude, I stumbled across this when researching addressing the ball out of the toe. Interesting to see George did this given relaxed arms at address and OTT would bring the ball to middle at impact .
Hey Christo, bought the ott miracle. One question is on the downswing, do you (throw, hammer, serve) the whole club into the ball or are you focusing on throwing the club face at ball? Thanks.
Dynamite question. I'm throwing the head down. Of course it's connected through the club but since the definition of a club is an implement with a weighted end, I feel it like I'm throwing the end (club face).
Technically yes because my downswing begins with my weight shift to my lead side. However, I used to think of my legs but now I'm thinking over with my shoulders.
@@MiracleSwingExperience I think we're going to find that almost all of the greatest ball strikers had elements of an OTT. It is no wonder these guys could hit it on a string with inferior balls and equipment.
george knudson was years ahead of his time. very few players swung the club the way he did. in those days the focus was on getting the club to parallel at the top. but, that only puts the swing out of kilter. and, if you focus on his right clavicle you can see how he works it in tight, in the backswing. obviously, the right arm plays its part in this; but, it is very notable how he swings into a deep position. hogan did the same. but, hogan's right arm pressed across his right clavicle at the end of his follow thru. his slow mo swing drill was probably key to this.
Hi Christo, your definition of OTT is not the universally accepted over the top move. Hogan, Knudson and others you quoted never did an OTT move. Hogan always striked the ball from the inside as clearly demonstrated by the 2 glass planes. Let us not confuse the public
I'm using the terminology used by Jim McLean, Tom Watson, Nick Faldo, and Johnny Miller. It's clear to the eye the downswing plane is over the backswing plane. The public has been confused enough by all of the modern technical gobbledegook.
OTT occurs due to an overuse of the upper body on the downswing. As a result the club will be thrown on the outside of the intended swing plane with the club head approaching the ball from outside to in. I repeat, Hogan never employed OTT. Please set the record straight. Your OTT definition is disingeneous.
@@redhzarahim2690 I'm not disingenuous, as I mentioned the other greats (Jim McLean, Tom Watson, Nick Faldo, and Johnny Miller) that described these great swings the same as I do. In fact, I'm quite honored to be in the position to set the record straight. All the modern swing teachings are garbage, and the Over the Top Miracle Swing is the best way to swing a golf club. PERIOD.
I understand your your definition of OTT and really like the model you are promoting. That said I, I also understand the terms inside hand path as well as shallowing the club, getting in the slot etc. IMHO using name “Over the top miracle Swing” is ether a brilliant marketing tool or a possible turn off to the vast number of golfers who may reject your model prior to investigating it due to the negative connotation of the term OTT that they have heard is to be avoided at all costs. I certainly hope you are getting the former and not the latter response. 😊
Nice post Christo. Look up Dan Pohl....Very Long hitter with this exact move! Also JB Holmes. Similar to moving an ax...in , up, and over! Very strong pattern. Also Craig Stadler, Brandon De Jonge,, many players...A lot tend to be faders of the ball. Essentially pull hitters in baseball.
Hey Christo, I'm a fan of your work however I think you may be misguided with regard to over-the-top. My understanding of over-the-top, and I'm a golf coach, relates to what Hogan referred to, in Five Lessons, as the glass plane. Wouldn't over-the-top refer to breaking the glass of the plane, the plane running from the shoulders to the ball. This usually occurs by starting down incorrectly with the upper body? If the back swing starts well to the inside of the plane, you would then have plenty of room to get back on plane, or under the plane, therefore never truly going over-the-top. My point here is that over-the-top generally refers to going above the plane, starting down incorrectly with the shoulders, and cutting across the ball and thereby slicing. If your takeaway path, swings to the inside you have plenty of room for a sledgehammer type swing ala Bruce lietzke, and you would never go over the top plane, even with a cut swing.
I don’t see any over the top with George Knudsen. He is perfectly on plane. The divot actually reveals this on plane motion because that is the direction the shaft must travel to be on plane. However , I do respect your effort and work. Cheers F
I saw George Knudsen play Roberto Di Vicenzo in Shell’s Wonderful World of golf as a young boy at the St. Charles Country Club in Winnipeg, Canada. I was sitting on the side of the green watching the players when George walked over, and in front of me, he dropped his cigarette and tapped it out with his putter. He looked so cool. It was tragic to learn that he died of lung cancer at age 51 years later.
Hey Christo, I have followed you for awhile now and relate to your enthusiasm for the golf swing. I have to say that I give you a lot of credit for going against 99% of "modern" instruction and promoting the OTT swing. It's interesting that I have always been aware that some of the great swingers of past have swung OTT (but inside to the target line) most notably in my mind, Slammin' Sammy and Bobby Jones but I readily dismissed it as being a swing from another era and not relevant now. That said, I had no idea how many past top professional golfers were OTT'ers! I realize now how myself and the majority of other golfers have been brainwashed over time into believing the downswing must be on a shallower plane than the backswing to have success in this game! As you have most certainly proven by your many recent posts on this subject, this couldn't be further from the truth and is keeping most of the golfing public from truly enjoying this great game! Keep on keepin' on my friend and you just might be solely responsible for creating a golfing revolution! (seriously).
Its only his hands that have moved outside of his backswing plane . This causes the club to flatten if the wrists are relaxed so be carefull as its not over the top with the shoulders !
Hey Christo, as you're describing over the top, isn't every single pro's swing out there is "over the top"? Would be helpful if you showed pro swings that were any different than what you're describing.
You should try to get with Jimmy Ballard next time you are in Florida, before it's too late. He worked with Knudsen and teaches this type of swing. George can be seen In Jimmy's older videos (the ones from Doral). I see a few things that he would suggest for you. Watch his videos and you will figure it out. He advocates more lateral movement and finishing on a flat left foot with the weight towards the big toe. (Something George worked on). Something Jimmy told me was that George was prone to taking it "too much" inside. If you could take video with Jimmy, that would be GOLD, but I'd be surprised if he would let you video anything. Also, Jimmy takes credit for teaching that "step through" action to Gary Player, although Gary may dispute that.
Cristo, I've got a riddle: So if the arms are swinging and accelerating around the body, is it the club AND the arms, or do these react in a manner 100% opposite to each other? Like if we swung a door shut, surely we wouldn't expect the hinges to come with the door. In fact they are exact opposites. So is it possible that somebody like ben hogan might have exactly 50% of that equation coming over the top. Where's the other 50? And does this have to with bowing down that left wrist? Does the wrist bow more or less if it's out in front of the hands or behind them....hmmm.... I hope you haven't given up on ever trying to figure that one out, and just casually waved it off as him having extra flexible wrists like all the others.
@@MiracleSwingExperience In the meantime I'll email you a picture of my swing at impact before my personal swing miracle so you can see i'm not just a guy with another theory. I won't put any title or anything, that's how you'll know it's me.
@@mitchmarland Hey, so I was literally looking in my Spam folder which I don't think I've ever done on this email and luckily, your pics were in there. You're a stick! I always love comments from folks that can really hit it. I get a lot of armchair QB's around here! Was there something that set off a light bulb for you, Mitch?
Can't get enough of these videos...thank you! Have a club fitting tomorrow at noon...no doubt my pro is going to see I've been cheating on him this winter with your move!
No, you misunderstand my comment. I was saying "probably not" to the OP's comment, that his pro, "is going to see I've been cheating on him". Because most "teaching pros" are either clueless or don't really care, and just "teach" using the same old dogmatic modern day phrases, cliches, ideas and let's be frank, bull shit, that doesn't really help anybody. I completely agree with you Christo, in regards to this latest swing idea "rabbit hole" you're going down. I've been swinging this way for 5, 6, 7 years now, inside-up-and over/looping over/hands OTT from the inside, OTT throwing motion/however you want to call it. It's just natural, and the old timers had it correct. I played 9 after work today, shot a 37, I'm capable of better, I'm also capable of worse, but I'm usually around par or slightly above.
@@jayscott1380 Forgive me, Jay. I am ruffling a lot of feathers right now! So happy to hear you figured it our already. Shooting par is 97% of golfers dream and I hope we can help more people do it! Have a wonderful day, my friend.
We’re you basing your comments on a different video sequence than you show here as every divot I can see exits down the line or slightly to the right of it ?? Doesn’t look over the top to me, the club shallows at the transition like most pros, unlike most amateurs where it steepens.
I think labelling this swing as 'over the top' is a misleading. His path down is inside with plenty of lag. Yes he does deliver with his hands outside the backswing path but this doesn't mean it's a traditional 'over the top' golf swing as is generally accepted. He still delivers on an inside path and you can see his shoulders are still closed coming into impact. Yes, clearly he has some resemblance to Hogan.
So next time put a mark where his hands are at address before he starts the takeaway. Then mark his hands at impact…. You’ll see he and all these other supposed OTT swingers will return there hands to same spot if not lower…. And not over the top. If hands where higher and shaft was steeper that would be OTT.
I could get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it! I'm using the terminology used by Jim McLean, Tom Watson, Nick Faldo, and Johnny Miller. It's clear to the eye the downswing plane is over the backswing plane. The public has been confused enough by all of the modern technical gobbledegook.
@@MiracleSwingExperience good one!!😂😂😂 #tommyboy I appreciate the debate back in forth, I am not at coming at you in a negative way. Just in my 40 plus year golf voyage OTT is different than your OTT….put it this way, if your helping people and growing the game, I applaud your efforts!!!
My thoughts are that that is incorrect. All I have ever heard is how Knudson admired Hogan and learned to keep his left foot stable after watching Hogan.
Knudson had the same swing when he played at St. Charles Golf Club in Winnipeg before he turned pro. It is what he grew up with. A lot of people swung like that at the time. It can work but it is not the best way to swing. Stick with principles not idiosyncrasies. IE, do not copy Moe Norman!
Why take the club to the inside having to immediately make an out movement of the shoulders to make a correction? I know a lot of good players did it but not deliberately. It was a remnant of old teaching that was characterized by taking it back to the inside. Why not simply take it back straight and on plane from the start.
I'm a huge Duval fan, and his appearance on the Golf Channel with Charlie Reimer was one of the most important pieces of film ever. I see Duval has a great throw, but I wouldn't quite call it over the top because his takeaway is down the line. Is there something I'm not seeing?
@@MiracleSwingExperience I agree with you on Duval. Right up the line and down it, definitely not OTT. I did have the same thought….what did I miss in his swing until I looked it up on TH-cam..
Wow. Making a course to teach people how to swing like George Knudson. Seriously? George wrote a book called The Natural Golf Swing that was published a few months before he died. His book describes the whole theory and method of his swing. No throwing balls, over the top(!?) miracles or other such profiteering nonsense required. My opinion is that people should maximise their money, time and effort by ignoring this "course" and just buying George's book instead.
Show me more than a handful of players that don't have their hands in front at P5 where they were at P3? Furyk, maybe Couples with his late trunk rotation? I can't think of anyone else. This is the result of the body opening up on the downswing so where are the hands going to go but out in front? So this "result" is not a fundamental at all, no more than getting 12.7 degrees of lean at P7 with the shaft (they are effects). Some people are still playing checkers I suppose vs playing chess. Golf is a game that now has progressed with video technology, motion sensors, etc to the point where there isn't much argument in "what" an elite golfer is doing but more 'how" is he doing it. Ben Hogan knew this 80 years ago, it was demonstrated in Ralph Mann's computer model which is a composite of 50 tour players in the 80s. Show me when you fix your goat humping and I will shut my mouth, and not from stills at P7, actual full swings. Fix that and you can thank me later for being petulant now.
I love this over-the-top miracle series. Over the top is such a bad word and that needs to change. There are so many ways path, fact to path, lie angle and face twist can marry up to create something functional. Great work!
As a Canadian, I was fortunate enough to learn as a junior from Mr. Knudson and then his protégé Ben Kern as I was growing up. Helped set me on my way of becoming a PGA member. George was simply an incredible striker of the ball, lost his battle with cancer too early as he had just started putting all his ideas down for the masses. If you have a chance watch his instructional video "The Swing Motion" filmed in Bermuda and his book written with Lorne Rubenstein " Natural Golf Swing"
You will find little golden nuggets spread out through both.
Thank,you his swing changed my game.Better on my lower back as well.
Christo, I bought the OTT (42 min) video. Great stuff. It worked right away. First time I felt comfortable with a full, no sway, hip turn on the backswing. As long as I keep the shoulders closed and left arm pressed to chest on the downswing, the ball comes out at 1 o'clock and draws back to 12 noon. Medium height.
George has the most gorgeous swing, another great ball striker who struggled with his putting, this is a great series of Ott swings you are posting, natural and easy on the body, no wonder most of yesterday's great players had such a long career
That it is easy on the body is extremely important. I hurt my back last summer so I am glad I found this swing!
Well done again Christo with this Knudson video. This is a bit serendipitous for me as I wanted to mention him to you.
Quick story I took lesson fron George in 1981 and 1982 at The National Golf Club in Toronto. I even played 18 holes with him. He was indeed a purest at ball stricking. If he could have putted he would have been a dominant player.
He was also a very kind hearted man with his time and knowledge....he would say. "You don't play golf to relax...
You need to relax to play golf, tension free "
Keep up the good work mon ami..
👏👏👏❤️😊👍🥂🇨🇦
Oh, that's a great quote, J.P. Wow, you played with him. Tell me more! What did it sound like?
@@MiracleSwingExperience Pleasure....👍
He would say that we need to remember that golf is a target game thus everything must finish at the target full weight on the left side so u could stand on one leg and pose for a picture.
One time he asked me to pick a target and in turn pointed at a tree in the range...His reply was...No no I meant which branch. He was that good Christo.
The sound, the crispest of the strike every time was a real treat to see.
Finally the story goes that he and Moe Norman would compete to see how many pins they could hit in a round.
That's a whole different level of accuracy.
@@j.p.montpellier3834 that’s unreal! I love it. Thank you 🙏🏻
@@MiracleSwingExperience You're very welcome. Please check out his TH-cam video "The Swing Motion" You'll pick up some other cool tidbits that you can use for teaching and helping other enjoy this beautiful game. Merci ! Santé ! 🥂
Hello, I am a frenchman living near Montpellier (South of France).
You can find the book "the natural golf swing" written by Georges Knudson. Very interesting !
keep these coming! another awesome swinger
You got it, Rob. I keep getting more and more people pointing out amazing OTT swingers!!! There's so many it's hard to keep up! This is the way.
Funny got a clip of this guys swing recommended to me after watching one of your videos also love your OTT swing I struggle with push’s and hooks so will start training it today
What a coincidence! I was a big hooker and this fixed it like magic!
The look of the move left in the downswing is a result of the move down on the right leg and the right shoulder going down more than around. It is not the right shoulder dropping, but the right shoulder pressuring to support the throw. The pressures that are the cause of the look are what is important. The intention to smash the ball leads to the rotation you see
That's a great observation about the pressures, Kirk. Thanks!
In a swing where the entire club is moved as a cohesive unit, without any levering motion of the shaft and with "passive hands," as George Knudson described, the club maintains its plane throughout the backswing, which is often misperceived as an inside swing. However, due to the golfer’s intent to direct the club towards the target-where the shaft at some point aligns with the base of the target-and the intention to finish at full height, the circular motion of the club in the forward swing naturally shifts linearly towards the target. This can create a subtle perception of an over-the-top move, but in reality, the club remains on its plane. Many golfers who actually swing over-the-top do so without fully engaging the entire club in its purest sense, nor do they properly direct the club towards the target where the shaft points at its base during the forward motion. In general, the perception of the swing as a backward and downward motion, instead of a backward and forward motion in which everything moves in the same direction at the same time, results in a variety of poorly coordinated motions. Golfers who succeed in spite of this have to shallow the club in the forward motion. Knudson did not have to shallow the club. All this aside, Knudson's book is called "The Natural Golf Swing" for a reason -- when you know where the club is going and you can visualize it, then the swing motion becomes a response to the target without any technical or mechanical thoughts whatsoever.
Divot moving left!! Yes! Thank you for pointing this out…Man, I appreciate your work and diligence 👍🏽 . I’m pounding shots… my wedge “book is being rewritten “😉!
Charlie!!! Way to go, buddy!
Thanks for this video Christo! Oh Canada! I notice after impact George drags his trail foot heel up towards the target on longer shots. I've seen Mr. Hogan do this and there must be a name for this move that seems to allow the trail side to "release" to the target.
I think it’s called “awesome!”
The momentum of his left side pulls that trailing foot forward. Akin to a parachute that deploys on a drag racing car something has got to slow him down otherwise he would overshoot the runway and crash into the trees, unless of course he has wings which would likely fly him all the way to Pinehurst non stop.
Greg Norman did this on literally every driver swing. Never got it until I saw Georges instructional video.
@@larrybethune3909 Scottie Scheffler does it also.
Pause at 3:51 at his setup, make note his whole body finishes level on that line with the square on it. That itself is a lesson in swing dynamics rights there
Also at 4:23 his right hip has rotated inside that first dot you put on the screen, anyone and everyone who early extends this is the absolute perfect example of how the hips should move, back, across and up, NEVER around. His hands have so much room to just rip through the ball 👌
He’s got an amazing and efficient swing. So good.
Great video dude, I stumbled across this when researching addressing the ball out of the toe. Interesting to see George did this given relaxed arms at address and OTT would bring the ball to middle at impact .
George Knudson did not address the ball at the toe of the club because of any intended over the top move. Read his book.
Hey Christo, bought the ott miracle. One question is on the downswing, do you (throw, hammer, serve) the whole club into the ball or are you focusing on throwing the club face at ball? Thanks.
Dynamite question. I'm throwing the head down. Of course it's connected through the club but since the definition of a club is an implement with a weighted end, I feel it like I'm throwing the end (club face).
@@MiracleSwingExperience thanks
@@josephmistretta4658 My pleasure
What about the proper/recommended grip with OTT swing. And ball further forward?
Christo you ever coming back to the Tampa area for an intensive?
Nice video..
Do you ‘begin’ the downswing from ur legs or hips?
Technically yes because my downswing begins with my weight shift to my lead side. However, I used to think of my legs but now I'm thinking over with my shoulders.
@@MiracleSwingExperience yeah ok fair enough. Legs prolly move automatically before hand I guess now
One of the greatest ball strikers ever! He and Moe used to have pin seeking contests in rounds together.
They both swung down a bit OTT. It's crazy!
@@MiracleSwingExperience I think we're going to find that almost all of the greatest ball strikers had elements of an OTT. It is no wonder these guys could hit it on a string with inferior balls and equipment.
@@thomasveal3351 wouldn’t that be something? 🤔
And they both hated putting
George k udson played a shells wonderful golf game at The Royal Ottawa, prestigious golf course literally 2 minutes from my house!
Wow, that's got to be a magnificent course!
Good for you!
george knudson was years ahead of his time. very few players swung the club the way he did. in those days the focus was on getting the club to parallel at the top. but, that only puts the swing out of kilter. and, if you focus on his right clavicle you can see how he works it in tight, in the backswing. obviously, the right arm plays its part in this; but, it is very notable how he swings into a deep position. hogan did the same. but, hogan's right arm pressed across his right clavicle at the end of his follow thru. his slow mo swing drill was probably key to this.
Hi Christo, your definition of OTT is not the universally accepted over the top move. Hogan, Knudson and others you quoted never did an OTT move. Hogan always striked the ball from the inside as clearly demonstrated by the 2 glass planes. Let us not confuse the public
I'm using the terminology used by Jim McLean, Tom Watson, Nick Faldo, and Johnny Miller. It's clear to the eye the downswing plane is over the backswing plane. The public has been confused enough by all of the modern technical gobbledegook.
OTT occurs due to an overuse of the upper body on the downswing. As a result the club will be thrown on the outside of the intended swing plane with the club head approaching the ball from outside to in. I repeat, Hogan never employed OTT. Please set the record straight. Your OTT definition is disingeneous.
@@redhzarahim2690 I'm not disingenuous, as I mentioned the other greats (Jim McLean, Tom Watson, Nick Faldo, and Johnny Miller) that described these great swings the same as I do. In fact, I'm quite honored to be in the position to set the record straight. All the modern swing teachings are garbage, and the Over the Top Miracle Swing is the best way to swing a golf club. PERIOD.
I understand your your definition of OTT and really like the model you are promoting. That said I, I also understand the terms inside hand path as well as shallowing the club, getting in the slot etc. IMHO using name “Over the top miracle Swing” is ether a brilliant marketing tool or a possible turn off to the vast number of golfers who may reject your model prior to investigating it due to the negative connotation of the term OTT that they have heard is to be avoided at all costs. I certainly hope you are getting the former and not the latter response. 😊
Some videos show hogan a tiny bit OTT , BUT agreed i can't see it with knudson
Did you ever analyze John Shlee ? His swing looks like Knudsen.
Hi Christo did you know that you have purified the OTT swing to be free from undesirable elements? Cheers ❤️😃👍⛳️🥂
You’re too kind. 🙏🏻
Nice post Christo. Look up Dan Pohl....Very Long hitter with this exact move! Also JB Holmes. Similar to moving an ax...in , up, and over! Very strong pattern. Also Craig Stadler, Brandon De Jonge,, many players...A lot tend to be faders of the ball. Essentially pull hitters in baseball.
Hey Christo, I'm a fan of your work however I think you may be misguided with regard to over-the-top. My understanding of over-the-top, and I'm a golf coach, relates to what Hogan referred to, in Five Lessons, as the glass plane. Wouldn't over-the-top refer to breaking the glass of the plane, the plane running from the shoulders to the ball. This usually occurs by starting down incorrectly with the upper body? If the back swing starts well to the inside of the plane, you would then have plenty of room to get back on plane, or under the plane, therefore never truly going over-the-top. My point here is that over-the-top generally refers to going above the plane, starting down incorrectly with the shoulders, and cutting across the ball and thereby slicing. If your takeaway path, swings to the inside you have plenty of room for a sledgehammer type swing ala Bruce lietzke, and you would never go over the top plane, even with a cut swing.
I don’t see any over the top with George Knudsen. He is perfectly on plane.
The divot actually reveals this on plane motion because that is the direction the shaft must travel to be on plane.
However , I do respect your effort and work.
Cheers
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His hands come down over the backswing plane. Clubhead is still swinging inside to inside.
I saw George Knudsen play Roberto Di Vicenzo in Shell’s Wonderful World of golf as a young boy at the St. Charles Country Club in Winnipeg, Canada. I was sitting on the side of the green watching the players when George walked over, and in front of me, he dropped his cigarette and tapped it out with his putter. He looked so cool. It was tragic to learn that he died of lung cancer at age 51 years later.
He was cool and that’s so sad. Awesome you saw him!!!
I watched that match recently on TH-cam, cool stuff
OTT is more importantly characterized by swinging over the top of the hands and not in the slot. This is more about how an inside takeaway can work.
Hey Christo, I have followed you for awhile now and relate to your enthusiasm for the golf swing. I have to say that I give you a lot of credit for going against 99% of "modern" instruction and promoting the OTT swing. It's interesting that I have always been aware that some of the great swingers of past have swung OTT (but inside to the target line) most notably in my mind, Slammin' Sammy and Bobby Jones but I readily dismissed it as being a swing from another era and not relevant now. That said, I had no idea how many past top professional golfers were OTT'ers! I realize now how myself and the majority of other golfers have been brainwashed over time into believing the downswing must be on a shallower plane than the backswing to have success in this game! As you have most certainly proven by your many recent posts on this subject, this couldn't be further from the truth and is keeping most of the golfing public from truly enjoying this great game! Keep on keepin' on my friend and you just might be solely responsible for creating a golfing revolution! (seriously).
Agreed. I was shocked how OTT Booby was.
Its only his hands that have moved outside of his backswing plane .
This causes the club to flatten if the wrists are relaxed so be carefull as its not over the top with the shoulders !
Hey Christo, as you're describing over the top, isn't every single pro's swing out there is "over the top"? Would be helpful if you showed pro swings that were any different than what you're describing.
I agree with you and that's an important distinction I will make. Thank you!
Have you noticed any specific equipment changes needed for this swing?
Knudsen is probably my favorite
You're making the modern swing guys lose their s***
I hope so, Teressa! I think they screwed up generations of golfers!
You should try to get with Jimmy Ballard next time you are in Florida, before it's too late. He worked with Knudsen and teaches this type of swing. George can be seen In Jimmy's older videos (the ones from Doral). I see a few things that he would suggest for you. Watch his videos and you will figure it out. He advocates more lateral movement and finishing on a flat left foot with the weight towards the big toe. (Something George worked on). Something Jimmy told me was that George was prone to taking it "too much" inside. If you could take video with Jimmy, that would be GOLD, but I'd be surprised if he would let you video anything. Also, Jimmy takes credit for teaching that "step through" action to Gary Player, although Gary may dispute that.
I’d love to meet Jimmy Ballard!
So funny. I start my videos out the same way by saying "top of the morning to you." LOL
You have a beautiful channel, Gregg. Thanks for what you're doing! I loved your most recent video.
Cristo, I've got a riddle: So if the arms are swinging and accelerating around the body, is it the club AND the arms, or do these react in a manner 100% opposite to each other? Like if we swung a door shut, surely we wouldn't expect the hinges to come with the door. In fact they are exact opposites. So is it possible that somebody like ben hogan might have exactly 50% of that equation coming over the top. Where's the other 50? And does this have to with bowing down that left wrist? Does the wrist bow more or less if it's out in front of the hands or behind them....hmmm.... I hope you haven't given up on ever trying to figure that one out, and just casually waved it off as him having extra flexible wrists like all the others.
I’ll have to think about it. 🤔 I’ve never followed the idea his wrists were extra flexible or double jointed.
@@MiracleSwingExperience In the meantime I'll email you a picture of my swing at impact before my personal swing miracle so you can see i'm not just a guy with another theory. I won't put any title or anything, that's how you'll know it's me.
Oh and a picture at the top too to prove that I'm not bowing it at the top and then holding it. It's cupped to bowed to cupped again.
@@mitchmarland All right, my friend! Can't wait!
@@mitchmarland Hey, so I was literally looking in my Spam folder which I don't think I've ever done on this email and luckily, your pics were in there. You're a stick! I always love comments from folks that can really hit it. I get a lot of armchair QB's around here! Was there something that set off a light bulb for you, Mitch?
Can't get enough of these videos...thank you! Have a club fitting tomorrow at noon...no doubt my pro is going to see I've been cheating on him this winter with your move!
As long as you hit it better. That's all I want for people! It works.
Probably not
@@jayscott1380 I love “probably”. Why don’t you just try it? Pick up the video!
No, you misunderstand my comment. I was saying "probably not" to the OP's comment, that his pro, "is going to see I've been cheating on him". Because most "teaching pros" are either clueless or don't really care, and just "teach" using the same old dogmatic modern day phrases, cliches, ideas and let's be frank, bull shit, that doesn't really help anybody. I completely agree with you Christo, in regards to this latest swing idea "rabbit hole" you're going down. I've been swinging this way for 5, 6, 7 years now, inside-up-and over/looping over/hands OTT from the inside, OTT throwing motion/however you want to call it. It's just natural, and the old timers had it correct. I played 9 after work today, shot a 37, I'm capable of better, I'm also capable of worse, but I'm usually around par or slightly above.
@@jayscott1380 Forgive me, Jay. I am ruffling a lot of feathers right now! So happy to hear you figured it our already. Shooting par is 97% of golfers dream and I hope we can help more people do it! Have a wonderful day, my friend.
The OG of OTT 🙂
You sure Brian’s not Steve Stricker 😉👍🏻
Haha! I see the resemblance. LOL
5 lessons---5 fundamentals hmm serendipity!
LOL 😂
Watching Kuchar right now and see a lot of similarities
I don't understand why you're calling it "over the top". It looks like his downswing is on plane and more or less inside.
We’re you basing your comments on a different video sequence than you show here as every divot I can see exits down the line or slightly to the right of it ?? Doesn’t look over the top to me, the club shallows at the transition like most pros, unlike most amateurs where it steepens.
Yeah, it’s not left like the guys today for sure
I think labelling this swing as 'over the top' is a misleading. His path down is inside with plenty of lag. Yes he does deliver with his hands outside the backswing path but this doesn't mean it's a traditional 'over the top' golf swing as is generally accepted. He still delivers on an inside path and you can see his shoulders are still closed coming into impact. Yes, clearly he has some resemblance to Hogan.
Alot of other pros in that time said George was the best ball striker they ever have seen. Only if he could have putt
If only Knudson could have putted half decent and not smoked. He would have won many majors
Putting can be tough
You should show us some swings that are the opposite of the OTT swing…
Most tour pros.
John Shlee said he’d have won much more if only he teed off with his 7 iron at certain critical moments.
So next time put a mark where his hands are at address before he starts the takeaway. Then mark his hands at impact…. You’ll see he and all these other supposed OTT swingers will return there hands to same spot if not lower…. And not over the top. If hands where higher and shaft was steeper that would be OTT.
I could get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it! I'm using the terminology used by Jim McLean, Tom Watson, Nick Faldo, and Johnny Miller. It's clear to the eye the downswing plane is over the backswing plane. The public has been confused enough by all of the modern technical gobbledegook.
@@MiracleSwingExperience good one!!😂😂😂 #tommyboy
I appreciate the debate back in forth, I am not at coming at you in a negative way. Just in my 40 plus year golf voyage OTT is different than your OTT….put it this way, if your helping people and growing the game, I applaud your efforts!!!
I don't see any over da top.. I do see 👀 them setting up da backs from da inside.
Knudson hated Hogan's swing and thought he was over-rated. Thoughts?
My thoughts are that that is incorrect. All I have ever heard is how Knudson admired Hogan and learned to keep his left foot stable after watching Hogan.
Many!
Knudson had the same swing when he played at St. Charles Golf Club in Winnipeg before he turned pro. It is what he grew up with. A lot of people swung like that at the time. It can work but it is not the best way to swing. Stick with principles not idiosyncrasies. IE, do not copy Moe Norman!
Why take the club to the inside having to immediately make an out movement of the shoulders to make a correction? I know a lot of good players did it but not deliberately. It was a remnant of old teaching that was characterized by taking it back to the inside. Why not simply take it back straight and on plane from the start.
Knudson- one of the greatest ball strikers of all time. Knudson- one of the worst tour putters of all time. LOL
repackage an old swing and sell it. Brilliant.
If you want to see the best at the over the top move, check this slow move of David Duval:
th-cam.com/video/lR5gT7tu8Cc/w-d-xo.html
🤦♂️ not even close to OTT….
I'm a huge Duval fan, and his appearance on the Golf Channel with Charlie Reimer was one of the most important pieces of film ever. I see Duval has a great throw, but I wouldn't quite call it over the top because his takeaway is down the line. Is there something I'm not seeing?
@@MiracleSwingExperience I agree with you on Duval. Right up the line and down it, definitely not OTT. I did have the same thought….what did I miss in his swing until I looked it up on TH-cam..
Wow.
Making a course to teach people how to swing like George Knudson.
Seriously?
George wrote a book called The Natural Golf Swing that was published a few months before he died.
His book describes the whole theory and method of his swing.
No throwing balls, over the top(!?) miracles or other such profiteering nonsense required.
My opinion is that people should maximise their money, time and effort by ignoring this "course" and just buying George's book instead.
I'm sorry but that divot was clearly down the line
Mmm
I wouldn’t call this swing over the top… I think his low, inside takeaway creates that illusion.
Why call it over the top? That’s a really bad term in describing a good shot all it does is confuse me.
Show me more than a handful of players that don't have their hands in front at P5 where they were at P3? Furyk, maybe Couples with his late trunk rotation? I can't think of anyone else. This is the result of the body opening up on the downswing so where are the hands going to go but out in front? So this "result" is not a fundamental at all, no more than getting 12.7 degrees of lean at P7 with the shaft (they are effects). Some people are still playing checkers I suppose vs playing chess. Golf is a game that now has progressed with video technology, motion sensors, etc to the point where there isn't much argument in "what" an elite golfer is doing but more 'how" is he doing it. Ben Hogan knew this 80 years ago, it was demonstrated in Ralph Mann's computer model which is a composite of 50 tour players in the 80s. Show me when you fix your goat humping and I will shut my mouth, and not from stills at P7, actual full swings. Fix that and you can thank me later for being petulant now.
Your over the top is the hands not the shaft. Very misleadingly!!!
Club heads not over the top.
I worked with George for 7 years and he NEVER came over the top
Your lower half should mimic mr Knudsen here-
Especially from the ball forward. You’ll find your “miracle” there