Cincinnati Bengals Offseason Grade | PFF
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- PFF's Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson discuss the Bengals' offseason moves.
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Sam is usually pretty on the money, but this is a poor take from him.
1) you don't need to massively improve your team to have an A. If a Super Bowl winning team keeps all their best players and then makes their normal draft picks, do they get a C or B because they didn't improve on... being the best team in football?
2) saying "I don't know if the Bengals are better than they were four months ago" is wild. DJ Reader is a monster; he's also a net average player in the pass rush, which got solidly better by replacing him with Sheldon Rankins. They're significantly better at RT AND at swing tackle, better at TE, much more explosive and younger at RB, likely better at WR3, stronger pass rush and major improvements at DT3/4 with Jenkins and Jackson, and massively improved at safety.
It doesn't make any sense to grade a team based on "what they lost" if they've replaced it entirely, apart from Reader's run defense. Did the Rams take a hit for "losing" Goff but gaining Stafford? Do the Vikings take a huge hit for losing Danielle Hunter... even though they got Jonathan Greenard? That line of thinking doesn't work.
Agreed. Reader was a monster but they still got gashed last year anyway because they had no depth at that spot. They basically swapped 1 for 3 at DT. I loved Reader but I think I’d rather have depth there over spending money you don’t really have on 1 aging player. Murphy will bring an added element to the pass rush in his sophomore year to go along with Rankins pass rush. Jenkins is an immediate rotation guy to help stop the run; who knows what they get with Jackson. Point is they’ve invested in the D-Line over the past two years so I don’t see how it’s some giant issue letting 1 piece walk. Same with WR - Irwin, Burton, Jones, Gesicki, Iosivas… you’re telling me those guys can’t fill Boyd’s void? At this point in his career he wasn’t really a major piece anymore anyway; the interest for him in FA showed that. Crazy lol.
Keep in mind too that Reader got hurt just about every year he played for the Bengals as well.
This entire thread guys👆👆👆💯%
This is possibly the best Bengals team, in terms of talent AND depth, in the Burrow era. Or at least, it has the best possible ability to be the best team. I'm very happy what we did this off-season. I didn't get everyone I wanted, but damn....they did incredible considering.. I don't think Sam can stand how well the Bengals FO is doing. I think it's because he's a Browns fan, right??
Yeah, saying i am not sure if replacing all your losses warrants an A is kinda brain dead.
Tyler Boyd only signed for 4.5 million, the Bengals could have easily afforded that, they are intentionally letting the older slower Boyd walk so they can be younger and more explosive at that position. Only real loss is DJ Reader at this point and idk losing a guy who tore his quad and replacing him with Rankins and Jenkins doesn't really seem like a negative. Joe Mixon was let go for the same reason Tyler Boyd was.
I think Burton can step in and replace his production
And replace his hands of stone. too many drops
Not to mention Trenton Irwin, Andrei Iosivas, and Charlie Jones. WR3 might be by committee for a bit, until someone takes a clear step forward, but there’s plenty of talent on the roster to replace Boyd’s production.
Dude on the right always has a weak case against the Bengals lol. The only single position where they got worse from a starting perspective was at DT with Reader, but they improved big time depth-wise there. They’re way better at safety and OL in terms of starters and depth, better at WR and TE. As good/unchanged if not better at literally every other position. Reader is the only loss he can make a case for, but they adressed it with Rankins, Jenkins and Jackson. I’d almost rather those 3 than just Reader and Zach Carter.
Aside from all that, no one knows how good DJ Reader will really be this year coming off his 2nd quad injury, 1 for each leg now. Had they kept DJ, this guy would probably be complaining about how they kept an injured DJ Reader instead of replacing him
@@chrisw647 I was literally thinking the exact same thing but my comment was long enough already lol. Thank you, totally agree. Bengals fans loved Chido too but he just wasnt quite the same guy last year. Is Turner and/or Hill an upgrade? Maybe, maybe not, but I definitely think it’s smarter to bet on your youth. When you have 2 guys that are top 3 at their position you’re going to have to find ways to save money.
@AnthonyMercado-1988 That argument can be made for every rookie in the league, but year after year... nearly every single NFL team decides to move on from the player they knew who was expecting a big contract and replaced them with a rookie who has never played before.
Also, do you know how many games he's going to miss while still recovering from his Quad injury at the end of the season? Because, it's virtually a guarantee that he's going to be missing some games to start next year....PUP?
Who knows if this was a good move yet, but what is known is the past track record of age 30+ NFL defensive lineman who are trying to come back from their 2nd very significant lower leg injury within the past 4 years... its not a very good track record!
MFs ain't calling reader injury prone he had 2 season ending injury in the last three years .. but burrow injury prone
Reader got hurt a lot man... Keep that in mind he was not always out there... The Bengals LOOK TOUGH This year with their Depth at just about every position!!!! Plus, if Borrow has at least a couple more seconds on average each play, do you really believe he won't do that much better?
Sam your just hating my guy i live dj reader but 2 tore quads tyler boyd for a young stallion burton trent brown for jonah williams why not grade an A
Who Dey boys!!! DT is the only position we got worse at and we’re more flexible/better pass rushing from the interior now.
That's great. But this team was 1-5 in the division and missed the playoffs and finished last in their division. I'm not sure how much we should celebrate only having *only* one "position we got worse at."
@@Montrovantis rigggghhht. Because Joe was healthy all season last year and our offensive line didn’t get better AND deeper. Plus we’re much less explosive with second most explosive runs per carry back in Zack moss. Oh and let’s not forget adding depth and youth to both the secondary and defensive lines and shoring up the TE room. You’re right though, there’s no reason to celebrate. Getting better on both sides of the ball and getting back a top 3 qb on a team that missed the playoffs by a game in the toughest division in football. We shouldn’t be celebrating one bit. Big brain take buddy.
@@boggzillapeople love to leave out context don’t they?
@@boggzilla Well, whatever your reasons. Burrow was as much a reason for last year's result as anyone. The team has much improving to do, Burrow not the least. The team visibly and statistically improved after Burrow's injury.
@@Montrovantis idk who you’re a fan of or where you were for the ass whoopin we put on the NFC champs in Levi stadium where they hadn’t lost in a year plus but keep that same energy when Joe hoists that Lombardi in February brotha.
Clearly another 'I just want to find a reason to hate on the Bengals' just like usual smh we legit only didn't improve at DT and we legit got better everywhere else. I can get not crowning us before we win (like they tend to do other teams though🤔🤦🏾) but at least stop trying to find a way to hate and not give us credit smh. Who Dey
Sounds like dudes just a hater
Give Sheldon rankins his respect. Absolutely no one mentions him when talking about the Bengals offseason, but he’s gonna help our interior pass rush so much, and that aspect of the DL is way better than last year, even thought Reader was a big loss.
Dude a hater let's go Bengals lets stay healthy and make a run
Cincinnati made some very good moves this off season, acquiring a very strong offensive line and finally threatening defensive backs. Because of this significant upgrade Cincinnati should win no more than ‘six’ games this season.🤪😁😜
I really don’t think it’s defensible to say there’s a position the Bengals are weaker at. Reader can’t be replaced, sure, but Rankins is an upgrade at 3T and especially for pass rushing. Jenkins and Jackson are also likely significantly better than Carter/Tupou so the DT room as a whole is significantly upgraded
The only position you might say the Bengals are worse at is at NT in losing Reader, but he was looking for more money and coming off a significant injury. Even though they didn’t replace him directly, they are deeper at DT and better at pass rush.
Their safety room is going to be better, more cohesive with Bell and Stone They upgraded at OT with Mims and Brown. The TE room is definitely better (younger, and possibly found future starting TE) and they got younger, quicker and more explosive with Burton over Boyd. How you can argue that you’re not sure if they’re better 🤷🏾♂️
He keeps saying the office created the holes . He just admitted that departures of talent are inevitable due to cap space / other player obligations. He said they did a good job of back filling those holes . I believe, given the resources and the way the franchise prefers to have some money available going into the next season . I think they have done a great job of that . Replacing players that are cap casualties or lost to free agency is exactly the point of the entire grade . I think Cincinnati did that better than almost every team out there. In fact , Duke Tobin should get a bonus for the effort he put in to the 2024 roster. Hats off!
Here we go doubting the Bengals again
Dude tore both quads hes not going to be the same sorry to say it. He look ok after he came back from 1st one but now a second one.
What are you talking about??? The biggest issue we had last year was saftey. And both spots are fixed. Better at RB better at WR better OL and a better pass rush on DL!
Sam is very obnoxious when it comes to the bengals
ain’t he….. i can understand a negative evaluation but not a negative mindset
That hair cut he got is obnoxious as well damn smh cut it all off bro it’s down
The only position they’re worse at is DT. They’re a lot better at tackle, TE, and safety, they’re more explosive at WR. I think they killed the off-season
The argument could be made that DT is improved if Jackson/Jenkins are better than Carter. The rotation overall would be better than just having DJ Reader.
Sam what world you living in? They definitely upgraded at some spots and how do you knock a team for filling in spots where people left with equal or better players?
How was Geno Stone (led AFC in picks last year) not an addition? Or Vonn Bell? Or adding two starting caliber RTs to replace one who left? Or adding Rankins and Jenkins in addition to Jackson at DT? That upgrades their pass rush from that position and helps cover run loss from DJ leaving.
They have easily one of the best WR rooms in the league, added multiple pass-catching TEs, and replaced their starting back with a better fit too.
Nobody knows how DJ Reader will play this season for Lions. he’s a freak and loved him but that injury is rough and he’s getting up there. may miss a few games so it’s hard to keep him in the Bengals progressive strategy. i was bummed when we lost DJ but i think it will end up being the correct move and Sheldon is gonna be a lot better than people give him credit for from his time in Houston. just like Reader from Houston came to Cincy & was a beast.. same thing… ☝🏼
The grade isn't "is a team better or worse". The grade is "based on where this team is, what their cap challenges are, what their needs are" what is the grade for how they did. Sam Monson is moving the goal post on the fly to fit the narrative he wants to force.
Everyone but this guy at PFF gave the Bengals an A and it shows. His take "just doesn't feel like an A."
Tyler Boyd was definitely not a loss. That was addition by subtraction
- Moss is better than Mixon
- Gesicki is better than Irv Smith
- Rankins and Jenkins can make up for DJ, more pass rushing ability, changes the dynamic of the Dline, positives
- Battle had an 80 pff grade last year....
Add in Geno Stone and a Vet presence in Bell... positives
- T Brown better than Jonah, plus Mims
- Burton will be better than Boyd, vertical threat that can play inside and outside
- Add in Erik All when he gets healthy
- Matt Lee underrated backup Center, added depth on Oline.
How could anyone not say they're better. They definitely upgraded nearly everywhere...
Smh....
I’m not sure Moss is better than Mixon
@@xandercrews4729 Well, I'm sure Moss averaging 4.1/carry versus Mixons 3.8 last year is better..
@@TheSokodelic well the colts has a better O line unit than Cincinnati so there's also that
@@finleyjeanbatiste5197 That is a good point. I still prefer Moss over Mixon in general. He's younger, cheaper, and faster. He has a nasty one cut to the outside as well. I will miss Mixon though.
@@finleyjeanbatiste5197 Plus, Moss is a much better pass protector than Mixon ever was. So, I'll still say that he's an upgrade over Mixon.
Sorry a hurt dj reader. the bengals know what they are doing. I'll take a full healthy Kris Jenkins over a shell of himself dj reader sorry to say it but them injury are bad really bad!!!! if he did not get hurt I'll say we got worse but I thank we got better for that reason.
I think Reader will have a long road ahead after a second serious injury to that part of the leg! In my opinion the Bengals got better after the draft so they should be in the driver’s seat for a great year. 💪🏻
I agree with Sam. Its about grading scale. Not every team should get an A. Do you want 31 A's and Atlanta with a C?
Sam had a weak argument but I would give them a B at best because they didn’t address the corner position that I think is still a major weakness.
Yes, worse at some positions -- but by how much? They lost Reader last season to the injury that he still is rehabbing. They got better at other positions more than they got worse at one.
it's interesting how little we've discussed the LB position. No depth there, is it because the Bengals plan to run a ton of nickel and dime? I think the Bengals got better with youth in this draft. I am only concerned about the O line (especially the coach) an edge rusher outside of Hendrickson and the LB's. I like everything else, I hope they use some sort of fullback or TE as a fullback more and do more play action instead of shotgun and passing too often.
Taylor said in a press conference that the LB room is the one he’s most confident in. Said he knows what they have there with the vets and he’s comfortable with the depth. Hoping for Myles Murphy and Sheldon Rankins to boost pass rush. Sample is supposed to be playing some more fullback.
If these guys actually watched a bengals game, they'd know DJ Reader hasnt been that guy since 2022
Sheldon Rankin is DJ replacement. Bj Hill moves to the NT stop run
Sam's hate for the Bengals is so obvious and his lack of meaningful analysis always shines through
Losing older players is how the NFL works. They completely skip over the fact that Reader is 30 coming off his second major injury in the last few years and it’s not likely he will be his old self. I think Boyd has been over rated for several years and between Charlie Jones/Burton the significantly upgraded the slot. Idk dude on the right seems to not understand roster building isn’t always about keeping older expensive veterans anymore when you can get younger/cheaper players.
I think it's was a fair critique. He's wrong, but it's not an unreasonable take
Lol just awful reporting here guy is treating dj reader coming off a torn quad gonna be 30 and Tyler Boyd who’s been nothing short than average the last 3 years like there superstars 🤣 you bring in Sheldon rankins for pass rush juice and draft khris Jenkins who’s specialty is run defense. Jermaine Burton stretches the field something they haven’t had with burrow yet. Lazy takes by buddy yes they are an improved roster all around
Dude is off putting. Maybe pff needs a personnel upgrade.
Woo Word
Whats been our biggest weakness ? O line … look what weve did to address that 🤷♂️
Doesn't the "reality of the situation" merit a higher grade for doing a good job replacing players. Also, you don't know that they are worse in all of those situations. Burton may be a significant upgrade. Brown and Mims are definitely upgrades. Safety is an upgrade. Tight end is an upgrade. Zack Moss fits the Bengals like a glove. Get real my guy. They are CLEARLY better. Perhaps you should get a new job my guy.
Dont know the guys names, sorry. But the guy seated to the right. What team that has a franchise QB already signed did better than the bengals ?
Chiefs- No
Chargers- No
Eagles - No
Bills - No
Ravens - No
Jets -no
Browns-No
Saints - No
Giants-No
Dallas-No
Im sure im missing some but HELL YES the Bengals deserve an A grade!! Come on bro. We stayed the same at worse. That in its self is worth an A grade.
HOW THE HELL DO YOU IMPROVE ON A TOP TEAM???? THE ENTIRE DRAFT WAS ONLY FOR DEPTH!!!! THEY REALLY DON'T/DIDN'T NEED ANYTHING BUT TO STAY HEALTHY!!!! THIS DUDE CLEARLY NEVER WATCHED THE BENGALS TO A POINT HE KNOWS A SINGLE THING ABOUT THE PLAYERS OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT LEFT APPARENTLY.....
Dude is such a bengals hater..bengals moved on from aging overpaid talent that was on the decline (other than reader). Everywhere else they got cheaper, younger and more athletic, other than at nose guard.
After thinking about this, now I'm just flat pissed. Sam loses credibility. How is a team not better adding 2 bonafide starting safeties? How is a team not better when they add a running back that fits the scheme? (Hey Sam, do your homework. Moss thrives running out of the shotgun, Mixon never did....Moss pass blocks....Mixon never did). Trent Brown is a clear upgrade over Jonah Williams and what’s more, they added Mims. D.J. Reader is being portrayed as a God Like DT when the facts are that even when he played, we were getting run on. Reader is/was a good player. But life goes on. To not give credit that they added Sheldon Rankins and drafted Kris Jenkins is laughable. Sure, neither is a true nose, but this could be offset to a certain extent by the Bengals getting more pressure from the DTs. They also added Mike Gesicki, clearly upgrading that position as well. I now openly question your commitment to learning about the teams you have opinions about. Obviously, you aren't doing the work. To conclude that this team isn't any better based on losing a 30-year-old Nose Tackle and completely looking the other way on the additions is embarrassing for you as a professional. Do the work. You obviously didn't before applying this grade. "Lead NFL Analyst"? What a joke. Do the work before you open your mouth.
DJ Reader can't stay healthy. Love him but he was injured half his stay in Cinci
As usual, PFF remains incapable of analyzing football teams.