Hey, I ain't giving up my asbestos pillow. Its saved me many times when I've fallen asleep w a cigarette in my mouth. Besides its only because that insane fascist My Pillow guy has slandered them that they're out of favor.
Very much understand the car wreck and what that can do to your life. I required replacement of both hips from arthritis, had five blown out lower discs ... it's been fun. Do what you gotta do to get through. But here at home, buddy, I love my heavyweights!
If I recall, GC’s current policy is to offer 50% of what they will sell it for used, so one can do the math. The primary value for the average Joe is having a one stop shop for a trade in on some new equipment.
Of course you don't get top dollar, but there are also advantages. You don't have to put up with a bunch of annoying emails like FB marketplace. You don't have to meet total strangers with a valuable item in your hands. Store has to make a profit, pay rent, electricity, etc..
I'm 56 and will stick with my 4/12's and heads. I don't need to be tap dancing , OD and wah and I'm good. If nobody's buying heads and 4/12's I wish market place and guitar shops knew this because they are still trying to get top $$ for them.
Add a andy timmons delay in the effects loop! The dual delay. 375ms. 500ms. With 15 % feedback on the 500ms. And 25% on the 375ms. With a 10% mix. It's subtle but in a band mix it adds some depth. Leave it on all the time. Just set it on top of amp head with short cables.
I play through an old 1970 Marshall 100 watt Super Lead with an old Marshall 4x12 cab. I control the volume with a variac. Usually play at about 85-90 volts depending on venue. This reduces the volume enough for most applications. I get more compliments on my sound than you can imagine. Digital modelers don’t sound the same and definitely don’t FEEL the same when you play through them. I play for me and nobody else. You will never convince me to change.
ive got an old korg multi effects processor from the 90s and recently bought a gt1000 and your right it cant replace a tube amp. i use the gt1000 in front of my princeton and hot rod deluxe. the gt1000 sounds pretty decent as a modeler but it sounds better as an effects pedal in front of a tube amp.
I’m 63 years old and in a working band, I love my 100 watt head and 4/12 cab.Some people either haven’t taken care of themselves or are just too lazy. That’s the problem…
4/12's are just too much for medium to small venues anymore. They're antiquated. Anything larger than a 2/12 is just unnecessary. Especially when you can play through a PA system.
The problem with modelers is that they don't interact with the guitar the way a loud tube amp does. The blues and classic rock guys know what I'm talking about.
It's funny but I've been talking to a really good young player about guitar amps and he was saying that everybody got into modelers for a while and now those guys are out looking for high watt 100s and Marshall heads because the modelers just don't quite cut it They don't give you the gut punch so to speak that you really need from a tube amp.
There is a difference between "Sounds like a" and "IS A" I'm 63 and no I dont love carrying heavy gear....HOWEVER You are never going to overcome physics.....If you need loud clean headroom.....I'm sorry, but you are going to need an amp that can process and produce that for you. Now if you don't care and are willing to settle for less, fine that is up to you....BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS......But you could......... ask someone to help you "grab the other side of a speaker cab......It's up to you.....yes, I have an AxeFX.....but I always find myself going for a bigger amp.....I just do. What will probably happen is that the next generations of guitarists will bring and get used to hearing "Modelers" and 1x12 cabs until there are most who never played through a bigger tube amp......Until they wont miss what they never knew or used. That's probably where this is heading.
@@timeagan893 I'm pretty sure that most of the young players are there already. Although, a guy showed up for a session in the studio last week with an amp that I can't remember the name of that was small and lightweight that had a vertical rack mount setup with modules with a couple of tubes in each one. The modules were sort of like Neve mic pres. Each one was set up to sound like either a Marshall, Orange, Mesa etc. It was a hybrid solid state tube setup that was light enough to do fly dates with so that you could run a balanced out to the front of house or run it through a power amp and the cabinet of your choice live for those types of gigs. 👍
I had a guitar player in the late 90s that played through a 2x12 combo peavy guitar amp. Had a couple days of heavy rain and the bar got a massive leak and we found the amp cabinet full of water. He got the water out and dried it out and 3 days later it worked perfectly. Probably still using that same amp. Peavey stuff was indestructible.
Come on those old peavey tube amps have great tone clean and driven. In my later years I’ve had the means to have many vintage fender amps and my peavey classic 50 4x10 holds up to any of them. Never had any use for the huge 4x12 stacks, not playing stadiums lol.
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I don’t have very much money and saved for two years to buy my estaban guitar and I’m very proud of it. It is the nicest thing I own and feel disappointed hearing this.
Don't feel bad. You're not planning to sell it, right? You go ahead and enjoy it. I have a kit built D-18 and it's one of the finest sounding acoustics I've ever played but it has no name on the headstock and I would never get anything out of it if I sold it but I don't plan on that.
one of - no, my favorite acoustic is a handmade that I bought on clearance at a shop for $150 about 20 years ago - plays like a dream. Had a Seagull, sold it. Rick Springfield says "Be true to the gear that's true to you," and I'm a firm believer in that.
The original great blues masters recorded with guitars sold in catalogs from Montgomery Wards - stuff that modern cork-sniffers would describe as horrible instruments. A great guitarist can make ANY guitar touch your soul. You have to ignore the opinions of others. Play on, friend.
More power to you...enjoy your Estaban. I see these now and then at Pawn shops, but the reality is that you're probably not going to put this in your shop along side the Taylors and Martins...I'm not even sure if GC would buy these.. IDK.
I'll be 60 this year, and lugging around big cabinets is not something I want to do. I'm at the point where if I drop a pick, I have to decide if it's worth the effort to bend over to pick it up.
I've been in your shop in Ormond beach years ago and bought an ESP and Ibanez from you. Same hair same dude and treated right. Always told my buds about this place but not to close to me...
I work in Backline rental and trust me.. the demand of 4x12s and marshall heads... are gone. Every artist do fly in gigs and the most popular unit right now is the Line 6 HX Stomp. For larger acts it's almost a 100% Kemper/QC.
I’m all in on the Helix these days. I actually went all in on the HD500 before the Helix came out. It…. wasn’t great. But it worked for fly dates. But I haven’t used a real amp in damn near a decade.
Were talking about us half Def Fat 60+ year old white guys with hip and knee replacements that rocked Girls and the world in the 80's.. And still do today to their own personal inner self. I get it, unless your David Gilmour running a half dozen Hiwatt's, hell even Steve Howe runs modelers now. But nothing like feeling young plugging into a stack and feeling it hitting you in the chest with a deep power cord.
@@michaelmcewan5958 :: What are we talking about here? I was talking about his hair. If your referring to modelers I get it, he's always been a modern tech guy. He's a sound engineer and producer.
I went and saw one of the top guitar players in my town. It was a medium(ish) bar. About 100 to 150 people. He sounded fabulous. So I went up to see what gear he was using. He was using a relatively inexpensive Fender Champion 40 with a few pedals?! I was shocked. It’s the player not the equipment and all the older guys want light equipment. It was a revelation.
My buddy had to sit one night playing a show because what he was moving caught the side of his leg , bent it the wrong way and destroyed his knee ...2 surgeries later ....
That's just the way it is. I sound like shit and it doesn't matter what I play through or how much it costs. I simply do not have the skill to take advantage of the capabilities of my gear. And I'm certainly not alone.
Amps will never go away and modelers will never replace them. They’re just not as popular with everyone as they used to be. I still use my 412 cabinet my head at my house. I just don’t travel with them anymore. Thanks for watching.
It's tubes that are getting the stick. Unless someone finds a Garage in Bum F*ck Briton with cases of NOS Telefunken preamp tubes, Mullard's 34's and 88's they all are used hand me downs.
I’m in my 50’s as well and have a Mark V combo for playing out. It’s too freaking heavy and awkward. 93lbs. I feel like my 4x12 cab is easier to carry because of the handle location.
I mix about 30 bands a year at a local rock club, plus some stagehand stuff. By far most i see is 2x12 and 1x12. 4x12s just aren't around anymore and i really, really don't miss em. They just take up floorspace.. When it is going to be miced anyway then it is just wasted cause you ain't putting that cab too loud on my stage... There is plenty of it already, and the sound is great on those 2x12s.. It is almost like technology advances and we get better at optimizing things so you don't need to haul so much of stuff... My live set as keyboardist is one keyboard, controller and a laptop. And i can have 30 synths on stage.... Get on with the program, rolling stones don't gather moss also means that you don't keep old tech around when it is not needed. It makes EVERYONE's lives better, you are not the only one hauling that cab; your bandmates or roadies are doing it too. So it is also selfish to carry old relics around. That is one big reason for minimizing my set: i want to be able to carry it all by myself.
I usually use 1x12 combos, but I looked for a deal on a used or new Revv D20, for several months, and got a killer deal on a used one, because that new one had come out. I’ve been using it, with a 1x12 cab, that was for the Egnater Rebel amp. It sounds killer, and I can get loud enough to play anywhere, snd plug in direct, using the amp and Two Notes Cab Sim. I wanted it because of the Rebel combo amp I have, that so got that cab with. It has a Cab Sim direct out, that sounded better direct through the board and PA, while I still can hear the amp onstage, than any modeler I’ve ever heard or played. It uses the actual full amp, with just the cab being simulated, like the Rev does. I realized there were a lot of amps with similar outs, with cab sims, or just DI outs. Yet, the really expensive amps, by most companies, don’t feature this. Every amp should have a cab sim out option, once at a certain price. The Egnater Rebel sounds great, able to get Fender and Marshall tones, but they’re made cheaply.
@@CorbCorbin I don't carry anything at work, i'm quite happily past that point but when i'm playing with the band, then all band members carry stuff. You don't seem to know the essential rules that have staid the same before we were homo sapiens, as long as music has been made by a group.
He sure did and it’s a great album but he recorded the live Cream songs on those big old heavy stacks. For me I’m a sucker for older Fenders and my favourite Magnatone, great tone.
I'm 72 and played clubs from the age of 20 till I gave it up at age 62 or so in the late 60's thru the 80's you had to have at least one full stack marshall on stage, No longer necessary by the time I was in my late 50's I could get all I needed out of a 1 12" marshall tube amp with the PA systems even in a large venue I played Hard Rock. Mountian, Zepplin, Kansas, today I'm sure he is correct I have a stage 60 BlackStar never giged played half a dozen times don't like the sound brand new No one seems to want it. sold the old Marshall stacks in the 80's don't think they would sell today except for the plexi.
I carried a Fender Bronco for years. 1x6 speaker and the sound guys LOVED it. Guitar players asked me what I was playing through often. And they were always stunned. I just use a Helix nowadays. But I absolutely loved playing through a small rig.
What I would buy is a Peavey 212 if I ever come across one. I bet it wouldn't cost more than what I paid for one as a teenager in the early 90s. Not because it was a fantastic piece of equipment but just for the nostalgic feeling it would give me
Digital is not direct replacement of a amp. A digital device doesn't produce any sound by itself, you still need to amplify it and a speaker is also needed to hear something.
That is hitting the nail on the head. A digital processor power amp and 2x12" cab just to get a sound out of your new Guitar is silly. A "Used" valve combo with reverb will sound "Massive". I believe a lot of players now have'nt heard what a real amp sounds like compared to digital box connected to powered cabs. All engineered to get the beginers to spend as much money as possible.
I agree. I do admit I use a laney combo for gigs but for recording I sometimes just use a jcm800 with a tube screamer and a mic on a single 12inch speaker, and for home recording it may be ridiculously simple and dated but it sounds perfect.
Same goes for most of the digital stuff everyone is raving now. At a certain point they won t get the updates anymore. Anything with leds and screens is outdated after one year
Bell bottom jeans went out in the early to mid 1970’s, then came back again. CD’s are being sold unless they are masters, and people are going back to albums. I just can’t imagine SRV, Dickey Betts or Clapton playing a little digital amp in their day. The tone of those older tube amps were and are wonderful still.
A local dealer is going to give you about half of what they can sell it for if you are lucky. The cost of shipping heavy gear is going to be stupid. So the buying market is going to be limited to locals.
Well I have been using a kemper for 5 yrs and I still have a amp behind me for one reason I don’t care what anyone says old school amps create a feeling you can not get with digital yes you can get the tone from a kemper and I shure do but those vibes using a tube amp as my monitor I love that’s my opinion and sticking to it
I love when I use my real amp as well there's nothing like playing trough a 4/12 amp but unfortunately most of the stages I play are to small for them. So I use the Kemper or the QC. Thanks for watching
Here's a funny story. I owned a music store till late 2008. A parent of a kid brought in an Estabon acoustic for a string change. As soon as I cut the strings off, the tuners fell right off the guitar! The kid's mom gasped in horror. I told her it was a piece of shit, & sold her a Takamine to replace it. lol
@@jeffseven2194 love it, I use the big Marshalls for bigger venues, and for small venues I use the Marshall studio series, the jubilee, 800, and plexi minis are fantastic. I run the mini silver jubilee with matching cab turned opposite the crowd and crank the volume to 3, it’s hot, but everyone says I sound great.
I have noticed that even vintage amps on marketplace aren’t selling. You have to price your tube amp so low just to sell it that it’s really not worth it, imo. I still love a live, loud, tube amp myself.
One elephant in the room that seens to be missed is the dact that alot of millenuals and zoomers are living in apartments due to the insane housing bubble. Large cabs would take up too much space inside and are too hard to move alone when stairs are involved.
@@tag8uritI just wrote about the GK 250ML on two other comments here lol. I had one in the late 1980s and early 1990s and it was excellent. It was both great for practice and I could plug it into a cabinet for live gigs. I still miss mine and wish they were still being made. I wonder the same thing, are they worth anything now or even wanted by music stores?
Try a Trace Elliot Velocette - 15 watt class A valve amp. You can jog up the stairs with it, put a mic in front of it, sounds amazing, loves pedals, and is clean as a whistle when you crank it up. Loud as hell for a small amp.
Another factor in gear sitting around collecting dust is the condition the economy is in. The covid cash is gone, people's credit is maxed out, they're afraid for their jobs, and sellers still want $1,550 for a beat up silverface Princeton. Same thing is happening in the housing market in a lot of places. Hopefully the deflationary pressure hits the 4x12 market doubly. I could use a nice Marshall cabinet for my JVM 410h. Cheers, great video!
Right! A lot of things are collecting dust due to inflation/economy. Will things ever get better? Right now things are getting worse day by day & people aren't really into music like they were years ago, so it doesn't look too good at this point in time.
I was at Music Go Round last week and it was packed with nice gear! It says to me that the economy is not doing well. Musicians don't usually sell their gear unless very hard up!
I'm 67 and I will keep my 1991 Peavey Bandit scorpion equipped. Still like New Great sounding Amp. Bought it new. Got a Fender 25 Frontman a lot lighter and sounds pretty good. I use it more. Lol
Another thing that's quickly going the way of the Dodo Bird,... Music stores with owners and employees that just love rehashing how great they once were.
I’m with ya. I got 2 Marshall 4x 12 cabs. This guy goes not say how great they sound. I’m 63. Still carrying my cabs around easily! cause I wanna continue to ROCK
Millennials are now coming into money. We’re buying the 80’s Ferraris and Porsches we had on our walls as kids. We’re also buying the gear of our rock heroes from the 90’s. We’re obsessed with Kurt Cobains gear and many others who used this “antiquated” gear and willing to pay big bucks for them🤷🏻♂️
I play blues, funk and blues rock and have the same EMGs on my black 1972 Strat since 1986. They sound amazing and I don’t use them for heavy metal. They are extremely versatile pickups and are not just for heavy metal. In fact, I have them on two of my Strats. Both with a mid range boost where the bottom tone knob usually is.
I'm 67. I purchased a hot rodded Nashville 400 (Peavey) 20 years ago for pedal steel. I still use it every day....even for jazz guitar. That said, I also have a Yamaha THR10X, but I rarely use it.
Great video! Very cool! Keep the vids coming! I walked into a Radio Shack years ago, around 1990's or 2000's. I asked if they had record players...the salespeople looked at me like I was from Mars! A few years later, guess what back in style....
I love that 4x12’s have fallen out of fashion…better deals for me. I just bout a Mesa 4x12 with 2xEV12L’s and 2xCelestion C90’s on top with an open back. I’m 50, if I can’t lift a 4x12 then that isn’t age, that’s either atrophy or disability if you’ve been injured. Nothing sounds like a cranked stack behind you. It’s a physical thing. I’ve got a Kemper and a Fractal FM-9 which are cool but the shows I’ve seen with silent stages feel dead. Thankfully there are plenty of clubs that are still cool with the big amps.
Im 56. I still lug around 50-60 lb amps, but I have done hvac work my whole life and still do. I’m shocked when I see these young guys on TH-cam saying their fender 2x12 never leaves the house because it’s too heavy. I mean, if they are ok being that weak, then I’m ok with it, but I can’t be that guy, personally.
I completely disagree with the whole "4x12s are no longer needed" thing. The idea being you can just get a 2x12 or 1x12 or even a multi fx to fill the roll, with a sound tech. Then have house speakers do the work. Most starting bands will stay just that. A starting band. Low budget , crap venue. Dirt floor bars without house speakers. Outdoor venues like wedding receptions and bday parties. Certainly can't pay a tech all the time. "Most" of the time, that 4x12 is all there is. I lived above a metal bar , sat through countless garage bands. I've never, not one time, heard anyone complain that a half stack was "too heavy" to carry lol
Yeah, I think in about 10-15 years from now, people are going to start to "rediscover" tube amps and cabs and they will probably be more popular again.
I'm 55 and have seen the business change and for the most part bands still use gear that you mention. Big cabs, heads, effects pedals, etc just like the old days. These are guys 25 years younger than I am, BUT the young, techy kids who play now are going ampless, and effectless because the effects are built into the guitar and controlled with an app that has every capability as Garageband, etc. So, they go to a gig with their guitar in a gig bag, and THAT'S it. It's pretty amazing, but I'm an old dog and I like using what's familiar, BUT as a bass player I am DONE with my beloved SWR 610, the best sounding bass cab ever made topped with my Mesa M6 Carbine. Now, I use a Mesa Walkabout and a 500w powered cab that weighs 40 lbs. Luckily I sold almost all my cabs in storage about a year ago because like you said, they sit on Craigslist for months because they're dinosaurs. Yes, Peavey RULES ! I dropped a head down a flight of stairs, off a moving truck, and it still works. Great video, but bittersweet.
I have Fenders and Orange Crates, Mesa Boogie but, I also have this old Trainor... They were hit or miss but if yangot a good one, they sound really great and I have one. Nice for a clean, "surf music" sound amp, great for a keyboard amp, etc.. Love it. Nobody may want them anymore but the few that know, if you have a good one, are good as gold. 😆
@floridafunandmore I just haven't had time to cash all the checks. I'm competing for a place on the couch with A&R men and entertainment lawyer's. Once you become exploitable somebody will show up to exploit you. It's like having a nice ass.
Odd about the EMGs, I've yet to see a good deal on one on either ebay or reverb . So that would indicate that theres still a demand. .... And how much space do the take up ?
Music stores sell primarily to non pros . Hence they have very little of what i need . I've been developing small and mid size venue's for my entire life . Still buy , build and install old school rack gear and passive cabs by the truck 🚛 The private and public jobs we get via referrals keep my waiting list window at about 15 months and Im turning down work . Vid rings true for people who don't know the difference.
I agree most small Music stores do cater to Non pros that’s where I separate myself. probably why I’ve been in business for 22 years. Being a working musician, I still cater to my fellow working musicians.. thanks for watching. I appreciate it.
@@randysguitarattic no doubt Randy we're seeing a transition to lighter more compact gear. For the discerning guys and gals who are traveling and gigging on a regular basis the modern stuff is way more convenient . I'm grateful that a lot of old gear is phased out on the open market . I've been buying and reselling used and lightly used high-end product for about 25 cents on the dollar . But you are correct, it's a tough sell to the day-to-day market .
I don’t gig anymore. I don’t need the hassle. I’ve got my fender hotrod deville (60 watts tube with 212’s) and my American Stratocaster. The amp is on a piece of furniture that’s fits it perfectly. I just turn the amp on and play. I couldn’t be happier.
Music stores charge about double for what they pay so it makes no sense for them to pay full price for used. They need to make a profit to stay in business.
@@careyvinzant Yeah, that is ridiculous. Many years back I had a Les Paul Standard that I wasn't using. Music store offered me $300 for it. Sold it to someone I knew for $850. In a way I think we both made out on the deal. I sold them a Precision bass with a warped neck for $250. About a month later I saw it in their flyer for $750 as is.
I still have my 6505+ and 4x12. Semi-retired after close to 20 years of non-stop gigging and rehearsing, sitting dusty in a corner. My Fractal rig gets all the love now. If I ever need to move that much air on stage, I can bring the half stack and run through the return but that seems less and less likely.
You know what else is mostly a thing of the past?GREAT Bands!!! Ill gladly keep toting my tube amps around 😊jmo... some good things out there that"simulate"the real thing👍
The one niche where passive PA speakers are still holding on is outdoor gigs. Powered speakers are great for clubs, but they still don't have the headroom for a street dance. It seems easier to just add more passive speakers for a longer street. But certainly, like you say, the demand for passive has gone down to nothing in most cases.
at 62 im still lugging a 96 Fender HRD with a 410 cab around for bigger outdoor gigs ill ABY my 86 JCM 800 2204 with 412 cab along side call me stubborn but u cant get that tone any other way folks just gotten talked into believing all that digital shit sounds just as good ,, also just picked up a 1971 JMP tremolo 50 Marshall head with a 1972 412 25w greenbacks pole sonic cones ,,, yeah they had me with the Mallards worth every red cent cant wait to gig it
I’m with y’all on this, but sadly, my health won’t let me carry amps & cabs anymore. Absolutely using amps to record, but logistically I have to use a modeller live. Unless I suddenly get rich, then I’ll pay someone to haul my Engl stuff about 😎👍
I just got at 75 unmodded marshall "metal face" 1987mk2 50w all orig cept power caps n tubes last year. 2gs. 98 Mesa 4x12 in a live in road case. All orig v30s mint 4 hundo, and a hughs n kettner tri amp mk2 w orig foot switch for 7 hundo this year. I'm grabbing em cheap.
I bought a used Takamine box guitar from Facebook a few months ago for my niece, I think $80.00 with hard case. Perfect condition. I think new it sold for around $300$500. Guy told me his wife bought it to learn years ago and never touched it, they were cleaning out a room and just wanted it out of the house.
Such a sad reality. I had a huge PA jbls speakers, crown amps, stage lights par 56, par 64, nsi dimmer packs. I tryed to sell the stuff back in 2015, and nobody wanted it. I did sell some items but ended up giving to my band buddy who was still gigging. I had so much gear that was top notch that I gave to my friend. I still have my mega heavy mesa boogie bass 400 rack mounted gear in the flight style cases. I have a pair of 4 ×10 cabinates. This stuff was so expensive back in the day. I moved to Florida in 2017. Could not take the huge stuff with me. I just got tired of renting a storage unit. It was sad in a way. I was proud of that kick ass gear! I was old school with huge lights, sound, and rig! These are things of the past!😢
Nice video. As a bass player, the last think I want is an 8-10" or 2-15" or 1-18" scoop cabinet. I remember lugging those around in my early days in the 80's.
I still have 3 ea Classic 50 heads they were designed by same engineer that designed Edwards 5150 they sound incredible through a 4x12 cab i play 3 stereo setups
Keeping my Fender 4x12, pipe a few different tube amp combos into it, the lower watt combos really shine on a 4x12. As far as tube amps go - that feeling between the fingers and strings is still what keeps me running tubes. Any SS amps that can do that I would like to know? I just haven't seen it myself yet...
Both of my local shops carry and buy ALL of this stuff.Used prices on nearly everything but vintage have fallen fairly dramatically lately. For most live and practice applications, big amps are like owning cars in the city.Recording is where you still see big tube amps. Modelers have gotten better, but I don't know many who pretend it sounds the same.Ive got a bunch of smaller 5 watt heads to match various cabs, along with some 15 & 20 watt for practice.Still hard to beat even a small head into a 4 - 12" or 4- 10",- and I suspect that is unlikely to change. Music will always require feel and inspiration; tube amps will always be my thing, as will real spring verb and optical pedal circuits. Good speakers will always fetch good money.
It’s all about the classic timeless stuff from the good old days. Those vintage guitars from the 50s and 60s and amps from the 50s to the 70s will never lose their value cause they can’t be replaced with modern stuff. Quiet stage, in-ears, digital modeling is just a passing phase. Sooner or later people will realize it’s not the real thing.
This phase already happened once recently in the late 90’s early 2000’s. I made the mistake of selling some great vintage gear and going with Line 6 and Johnson Amplification gear- it never sounded right and I kicked myself for selling it. After suffering with the tone for years, it took forever to find what I had sold off. I’m back to using a 65 Deluxe Reverb and a 64 AC 30. No pedals necessary. I’ll never go back to modeling gear-ever.
@@wechsler151 Sorry, but gear doesn't matter to anyone but YOU! YES, when you are in the room with a guitar that pleases your hands, and a nice amp that doesn't fry your hearing, it's great. But everybody else will hear what came out of that Shure SM 57... And they don't care if your guitar is "vintage" or whatever, only YOU care.
@@hansemannluchter643 But if the artist is not comfortable they will not play well and everyone will notice. Also, many comments here where people went to concerts with silent stage and said they noticed, so people notice and care. Shit, I noticed it all in the 80s when everything went digital and recorded music started sounding fake and "perfect" and guitar tone and drum sounds and bass became very unappealing and practically unlistenable to some of us.
I whipped up a bunch of pedal boards with the amps mounted right on the board. I've been really pleased with the Moorer Baby Bomb 30 units. With a Godlyke (Deluxe) Power-All and the really great "budget" pedals I could carry that, a guitar, and my 1x12 Carvin cabinet and get a great sound. I even have a Baby Bomb powered board that's stereo.
Good video, but if you have a cab, just have to move it. Use dollys and other things to help it move. Digital will not replace analog amps and cabs. They sell the cabs for the digital amps. Still need to be able to hear yourself and not everyone is going in ears. There still needs to be stage sound between players.
I completely disagree with the whole "4x12s are no longer needed" thing. The idea being you can just get a 2x12 or 1x12 or even a multi fx to fill the roll, with a sound tech. Then have house speakers do the work. Most starting bands will stay just that. A starting band. Low budget , crap venue. Dirt floor bars without house speakers. Outdoor venues like wedding receptions and bday parties. Certainly can't pay a tech all the time. "Most" of the time, that 4x12 is all there is. I lived above a metal bar , sat through countless garage bands. I've never, not one time, heard anyone complain that a half stack was "too heavy" to carry lol
I'm 65 now, and my rig at the next gig in 3 weeks involves no amplifier at all. My pedal board will be cabled directly into the powered mixer, and out to the PA cabs. No amp. No Shure 57. No ghost feedback problems. We did this at our last really big gig in December. It worked and sounded great.
Yeah. There are a lot of people who resist change, and I understand it, but there's nothing like carrying your Helix to a gig, in a backpack, and plugging it directly into the sound board and it just works. The setlist is already pre-programmed and there's no tap dancing during a song. The knobs don't get all twisted so you don't have to reset everything. Your tone is consistent from show to show. Just plug in and play. If the soundguy can't make it sound decent, he's either got crappy equipment or they need a new soundguy.
Reverb is a price guide for retail prices. It absolutely is for the most part. Why not just say "we need to make a profit so you'll never get as much as you would get on reverb. But you also have to wait for the sale and deal with shipping. it's something to consider."
Reverb can be a price guide, but it's also a standard for crackpipe wishful prices. Guitar Center is far better at this, they buy and sell nationwide, and thus have a massive data pool to crunch numbers from.
reverb is getting out of hand jacking up their fees more and more, so it may be a kind of useful estimation, but i do not consider it to be accurate for most things. and right now a lot of things are not moving because people do not have disposable income like they once did, yet people are still asking sky high prices. most of this is based on the economy right now. in 5 or 10 years when the economy improves, you might find some things on this list are actually selling again.
Reverb can be a decent price guide, but you can only go by sold listings to ballpark an average price. Looking at the asking prices will just reveal a lot of delusional sellers.
I don't understand why the 19" rack era is gone. All those crazy formats for pedals (all differents!) , it's heavy, clunky, you have to get the right voltage + power for each one, configure switchs/loops from hell... what a mess. With rack mounted gear everything was rock solid and safe, you plug in a dumb MIDI footswitch and here you go. Whenever a beer comes down at your feet, it's just a $150 no value added footswitch, not a precious pedal. Seriously, gear makers should join to produce standard sized / powered devices. Bring back the 80's, 19" rack format + MIDI !
Alot of venues still have the musicians hauling gear through the crowd instead of a backstage exit door, because there isn't an exit door near the stage. As a drummer, not only weight is critical, shear mass is even more critical because you don't want to be injuring people in the crowd or asking them all to move out of the way before your band has the chance to take stage. As much as I love the sound of huge drums, its not as practical in these situations, so i could see how 4-12's would not be desirable to buy or sell anymore when there's equipment out there that will do the job, and without the transport hassle.
Funny about estaban guitars my dad bought one for the family for to learn to play….Brother and I have been playing for over 15 years now lol… no they we’re not very good guitars but it was always around the house so we would pick it up often we never watched the videos it came with but it did its job to get us hooked
Very true regarding amp size. I play acoustic guitar so I use acoustic amps. My Laney A Solo Acoustic is 60 watts, dual channel whereas my Laney LA20C is bigger, heavier, and only one channel. And less watts. Why own the latter when the former is a far better amp, overall. But I've got the two, and I'm happy.
and I remember when nobody wanted your pedals because rack gear was the new thing... this will all cycle around again when the quiet stage, digital trend is over... it doesn't work for rock and punk for instance.
Nah, the silent stage and by consequence digital modeling aren't going anywhere anytime soon if ever....it's the venue owners wet dream to have absolute control over volume and not have to deal with stage volume that's "too loud".
@@ChrisCleek I run shows all the time and the only people who complain its too loud are staff and management. I say the same thing every time...ya know this is a Metal/punk/rock show right? its supposed to be too loud
@@myshow667 It's supposed to loud AND sound good. I've been to way too many shows where the drums drown out the vocals and the guitar or a guitar player with a 100 watt head is drowning out everything and all you hear is a bunch of feedback with crappy distortion and nothing else. A good stage sound need to be balanced regardless of volume.
When I don’t need something, typically it still has _some_ value to me, which invariably is greater than the resale value. I gave up trying sell used gear when (a) Guitar Center offered me a trade-in of $100 on my Epiphone Les Paul Standard (which I had bought from them) toward a Gibson, (b) I realized that most people answering ads were simply looking for gear that they could “flip” for more, and (c) Reverb was selling used units of amps I had, but wasn’t using, for half of what I would have thought the wholesale value was. BTW, I did buy a used Crate amp with two 10” speakers just to have more of a true stereo chorus sound. It stopped working reliably shortly after I got it, but happily it worked fine after I got a better guitar cable.
As a bass player, I’m happy no one wants 4/10’s anymore. When it comes to moving air, nothing beats its. My SVT 5- Pro and PF 800 love the matching 4/10. Go somewhat big or go home, if you don’t want to bump gear, think about maybe not playing live? You can pry my jazz or pre out of my cold dead hands, lol. Thanks enjoyed the video
Exactly, I never understood why so many people started using 1/12s or whatever. I guess they just want to use the PA as their amp. Or they play in quiet bands.
I'm a jazz fusion upright and five string electric bass player. I own an acme 4-10, one of the lighter 4-10. Sounds great but I purchased an acme 2-10 because it's easier to carry. I decided if I'd need a 4-10, I'd rather carry around two 2-10s, rather than one 4-10.
@@arvidlystnur4827it’s all depends on your gig as well, everything I’m playing requires me to move some air and keep up with a hard hitting drummer, the front of house is a representation of our ability to gel on stage. The 2/10 x 2 is definitely a good idea
I'm 58 and have used big amps always now I use 3 1987 Marshall silverjubilee fullstacks you can play them at bedroom volume on stage if you want, They look cool on stage and it is also a visual thing for the audience .
I am still absolutely blown away by my Kemper which I’ve owned for many years. But Now even the kemper is considered not good enough. Now you “must” have quad cortex or tone-x. Idk . Kemper still sounds great to me.
I still enjoy my Eleven Rack.🙂. It was good enough for pros in the past. Nowadays, there's always something new and expensive. If you like what you have, that's all that matters imo.
Longtime player. I sold all my collectible amps when I bought my Kemper stage. I just simply don’t need those things anymore. Kemper is so great because it’s a profiler not a modeler. The technical parts not important but the reason why the other products keep getting promoted is because once you have a camper, you don’t need anything else. I love these things And I wouldn’t do anything else. I can play 10 vintage apps in a single gig that sounds just as good or better than the original.
My deal with these is: I already know what I like, and I don't want or need endless options. High gain Marshalls, and more recently the Soldano Hot Rod +, or JCA 50 in my case. The Jet City was 325 bucks, if I decide to hate either channel, I can mod both channels to practically anything by spending like $150 at Epic and whipping out a soldering iron. The digital stuff I'm sure is good, but it's all four figures, and eff that. I sound like myself, I don't want your presets, and I definitely don't want distraction via ridiculous options - my $200 Line 6 M13 is more than enough in that department. If I had to cover a back catalog of ever evolving gear changes live, sure. Everclear used Flextones for this, and I can totally see why Metallica went AxeFX live. My amp emulator of choice is a Tech 21 Tri A.C., so, I guess I'm just a great sounding analog dinosaur.
Dude so many of these things are really accurate... But I will say as a guy who's been playing for a long time on regular gear or more traditional gear as it's known... I keep trying to make this digital transition and I keep going back to my regular amps it's just way easier for me to get that sound in a live environment. Don't get me wrong for recording I plug in and use neural DSP plugins all day long because they are so simple and adjustable.... Right now I'm trying to blend The Best of both worlds using tube power section to run preamps and effects from the Quad cortex into traditional cabinets... So far this is the best sound I can muster for a variety of applications.
Reminds me of the early 2000's when me and my room mates tried to pawn/donate/get rid of, a big floor model CRT tv, they were just starting to fall on the undesirable list, nobody wanted them. We stopped at several places before we realized.
@Ryan.TH-cam Yeah, I have a 27" JVC CRT, a 13" Panasonic and am willing to take in more. They're great for retro video games that were designed for them, especially with the light guns.
I got back into gaming in about 2017 or about the time the switch came out. So, I dug out my NES and SNES from my parents attic and ended up scoring a Sony professional video monitor (pvm) crt from Craigslist from a guy who had his own tv studio. So, I am familiar with crt’s being desirable again. To me they look great especially running the old consoles.
Great channel, fun video! I subbed, liked, now adding a comment to appease the gods of algorithms. I sang in a punky/ska band in upper school, The Abstracked. Started as freshman and by year’s end were playing high school dances, grad. parties, opening for local bands. Our drummer’s older brothers were both in bands and supplied a lot of guidance and support. Anyway, reason for this dense comment: we saved our band wages and invested in a Peavey PA. We had two of the 800s, a board, and our Peavey Black Widow speakers. We became quite popular as a warm-up band as we could furnish the “Peavey Powered” PA, haha. I can’t wait to get back to Portland, OR where Sax-man, Juan, and family live. After attending a week of ayahuasca ceremonies, during which charangos were featured for the Curadas-healing sacred songs. I bought 4 from Bolivia, gifted my 3 best buddies each a charango. I assume from his sax skills, Juan, just flies all over that little instrument (he’d never played a stringed instrument til he was about 50 years old.) playing awesome runs as I chunk out chords on a six-string. 🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota
Hi Randy! Good to see ya on TH-cam! I just found your feed & subscribed. This is Troy, the bass player from your Hollyrock days! I'm still playing out & gigging. I'm a lifer! BTW - I agree about the amps. Who wants to lug all that crap around! I play solo and I'm always looking to down size. After a night of playing, I'm worn out and don't want to lift any more gear than I have to! Ha! Getting old makes you get smarter. (That's my excuse!) I love my Boss Katana MkII 100W amp. Light & loud as hell if needed! Cheers!
Hey Troy good to hear from you! and Im still playing just about every weekend and traveling all over US on some of the dates.Glad you liked the video and keep in touch.
@@randysguitarattic I would like to come to your shop sometime in the future and say hello. Do you have a website for your gigs? I live in the Mount Dora area so if you ever come this way, I'll be there! ✌❤🎸
Dude, I love my ADA MP-1 preamp. But I admit it is part of a type of rig that no longer really exists. It’s a cool piece of gear history. What’s great about Reverb is that you do have geeks who are into old stuff like rack gear, preamps, that sorta thing. You might find a buyer who is tickled to snag a vintage piece of gear that’s considered obsolete
I still run rack stuff. My favorite rig i had was a sho bud pedal steel through a stereo reverb delay rack mount boss rv 70, and if i run any effects like chorus i throw in a rackmount stereo bbe 462 exiter expander so i can even the eq out. I use it to tame the lows on chorus so my lower strings arent twice as loud as my high strings. I ran that through two peavey amps with black widows. A 210 watt nashville 400, and a 300 watt nashville 1000. Sonic heaven.
@@Bearthalamass I haven't turned on my MP-1 in a while, but last time I did I ran it into my AxeFX III as a preamp block and it sounded awesome. It's not really necessary with all the great amp models the AxeFX has built in, though.
Most larger stores will absolutely buy 4x12s (in decent condition)at the present time. With smaller music stores, it may not be desirable to tie up that much floor space with a higher-ticket item that may take weeks or months to move. Completely understandable on their part, but one can still move a 4x12 through the right retail channels. In my mid 40s, I looked at my unwieldy Hartke rig and had to admit it was too much for the small rooms I was playing. I bought a MarkBass JB model combo which I coukd lift to shoulder height with one arm. I certainly miss the clarity of the Hartke, but I don't need to push it toward anything near its maximal capabilities and the MB is so much easier to transport, store, and set up. Still, for everyone like me, there's a 20 year-old kid salivating over a 410XL V2 imagining the rumble that you feel resonating in his chest when he punches thst open A string.
4x12 cabs aren't going anywhere and neither are heads! Digital is digital, there is still a difference between the real thing. There's still something about a real tube head and 4x12 cab that digital can't ever capture!
@@ramiabiakar2391 just a speaker huh! I don't think I want to waste my time discussing speakers and cabs to someone who clearly doesn't know how important they are to getting ones own sound! The last thing you ever hear from any proficient musician is a speaker and cab that they took the time to investigate and choose because that's what they wanted to use to express what comes from their heart and their hands! It's just as important as any other part of the artist's sound chain!
@@hansemannluchter643 You are so Correct! I do a single with just my Guitar, Old Drum box and a Harmonizer and work very hard! The audience does not care if I am Canned or Live! Just as long as it SOUNDS Good to them ! But for me LIVE keeps me Sharp!
@@randymemphis Thx. I realised this back when I was 16.. I'd obsess over the "different sound" of various Strats and Teles, Pre-CBS, the dreaded CBS 3-bolts etc, only to realise that nobody listening heard any difference. It's all in your left and right hand. Probably mostly in your right (picking) hand. Unless you are a "South-Paw", then it's the other way around...
Great advice Randy! At 55, it took awhile to accept that the newer technologies are better and more convenient than most of the gear we lusted after and later acquired back in the day. But nostalgia is a powerful thing. I enjoyed the video man!
1. VCR's
2. rotary telephones
3. used pagers
4. anvils
5. asbestos pillows
6. soiled mattresses
7. Line6 Spider amps
8. used Thigh Masters exercise equipment
Shake weight
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Anvil is very useful
@@thomgwarriorI think those are still popular on only fans 😂🤣🤪
Hey, I ain't giving up my asbestos pillow. Its saved me many times when I've fallen asleep w a cigarette in my mouth. Besides its only because that insane fascist My Pillow guy has slandered them that they're out of favor.
Very much understand the car wreck and what that can do to your life. I required replacement of both hips from arthritis, had five blown out lower discs ... it's been fun. Do what you gotta do to get through. But here at home, buddy, I love my heavyweights!
For old PA cab and amps, you may not want them for gigs, but if you have a dedicated rehearsal space, you get them cheap and have a permanent install
Good idea!
Definitely the highest and best use for the larger equipment.
Don’t you have overhead ? Anyway ?
Last comment : There’s a Legal Basis as well . Like ,” Hi , you interested in buying my gas guzzler ?
Cool! This means no one’s gonna steal any of my gear 😎
😂🤣😂
So why are they still expensive?
I get it, I did film photography as a profession in the late 70's through the 90's.
@@bigstick5278 Hey , I got a REALLY NICE NIKON with 4 lenses ...LOL I also have a BLACKSTAR 412
Selling to a store is like trading your car to a dealer, expect to get half or a third of what a private sale is if you are lucky.
Yep, that's my experience.
JAMES
If I recall, GC’s current policy is to offer 50% of what they will sell it for used, so one can do the math. The primary value for the average Joe is having a one stop shop for a trade in on some new equipment.
sure, the store can only buy at wholesale prices to turn a profit.
Of course you don't get top dollar, but there are also advantages. You don't have to put up with a bunch of annoying emails like FB marketplace. You don't have to meet total strangers with a valuable item in your hands. Store has to make a profit, pay rent, electricity, etc..
That is so sadly true.
I'm 56 and will stick with my 4/12's and heads. I don't need to be tap dancing , OD and wah and I'm good. If nobody's buying heads and 4/12's I wish market place and guitar shops knew this because they are still trying to get top $$ for them.
Add a andy timmons delay in the effects loop! The dual delay. 375ms. 500ms. With 15 % feedback on the 500ms. And 25% on the 375ms. With a 10% mix. It's subtle but in a band mix it adds some depth. Leave it on all the time. Just set it on top of amp head with short cables.
From my cold dead hands. I just bought 2 120W heads and they sound incredible.
@@brooklynsoundgarage which ones?
Ive been buying 4x12's really cheap lately for home studio room. Im sure the newer stuff is fine, but I just like the way they move air...
@jeffyoung8047 you should setup a wet/dry/wet for recording.
I play through an old 1970
Marshall 100 watt Super Lead with an old Marshall 4x12 cab. I control the volume with a variac. Usually play at about 85-90 volts depending on venue. This reduces the volume enough for most applications. I get more compliments on my sound than you can imagine. Digital modelers don’t sound the same and definitely don’t FEEL the same when you play through them. I play for me and nobody else. You will never convince me to change.
ive got an old korg multi effects processor from the 90s and recently bought a gt1000 and your right it cant replace a tube amp. i use the gt1000 in front of my princeton and hot rod deluxe. the gt1000 sounds pretty decent as a modeler but it sounds better as an effects pedal in front of a tube amp.
Well nothing sounds like it.
Stinky - no one is trying to convince you to change your rig bro.
Agreed
@@deaterk doesn't look like a bro.
66 years old and my wife will have to auction off my 1968 Pro Reverb at my funeral. 2x12 40 watt bliss.
Great amp!
You dont look like 66 you are lying
@@kokimoino6911you’re right. Dude looks like he either took care of himself or lived a good life with less stress
Same age, but '67 Vibrolux reverb & Princeton Reverb. Luckily, my younger daughter will use and appreciate them.
…The Amp made him look younger because he’s happier
I’m 63 years old and in a working band, I love my 100 watt head and 4/12 cab.Some people either haven’t taken care of themselves or are just too lazy. That’s the problem…
4/12's are just too much for medium to small venues anymore. They're antiquated. Anything larger than a 2/12 is just unnecessary. Especially when you can play through a PA system.
Damn! I took my best vintage, long haired wig to Guitar Center and even though it was half bleach dyed blonde, they didn't want it.
He'll take it.
😂😂😂
Ms Deville I found your wig!!
He looks so foolish! Can’t take him seriously lol
Going for the Todd Rundgren thing.
The problem with modelers is that they don't interact with the guitar the way a loud tube amp does. The blues and classic rock guys know what I'm talking about.
Yepper
It's funny but I've been talking to a really good young player about guitar amps and he was saying that everybody got into modelers for a while and now those guys are out looking for high watt 100s and Marshall heads because the modelers just don't quite cut it They don't give you the gut punch so to speak that you really need from a tube amp.
@@quantumbuddhist I guess I should have stated that I'm a bass player! 😅
There is a difference between "Sounds like a" and "IS A" I'm 63 and no I dont love carrying heavy gear....HOWEVER You are never going to overcome physics.....If you need loud clean headroom.....I'm sorry, but you are going to need an amp that can process and produce that for you. Now if you don't care and are willing to settle for less, fine that is up to you....BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS......But you could......... ask someone to help you "grab the other side of a speaker cab......It's up to you.....yes, I have an AxeFX.....but I always find myself going for a bigger amp.....I just do. What will probably happen is that the next generations of guitarists will bring and get used to hearing "Modelers" and 1x12 cabs until there are most who never played through a bigger tube amp......Until they wont miss what they never knew or used. That's probably where this is heading.
@@timeagan893 I'm pretty sure that most of the young players are there already. Although, a guy showed up for a session in the studio last week with an amp that I can't remember the name of that was small and lightweight that had a vertical rack mount setup with modules with a couple of tubes in each one. The modules were sort of like Neve mic pres. Each one was set up to sound like either a Marshall, Orange, Mesa etc. It was a hybrid solid state tube setup that was light enough to do fly dates with so that you could run a balanced out to the front of house or run it through a power amp and the cabinet of your choice live for those types of gigs. 👍
If you’ve got an Esteban guitar, pretend you’re Pete Townsend and destroy it on stage!
Zorro guitar.
Its the only humane thing to do
a randy jackson guitar serves the same purpose
Canoe paddle.
pretty hard to do, that guitar you can stand on it and it wont break !
I had a guitar player in the late 90s that played through a 2x12 combo peavy guitar amp. Had a couple days of heavy rain and the bar got a massive leak and we found the amp cabinet full of water. He got the water out and dried it out and 3 days later it worked perfectly. Probably still using that same amp. Peavey stuff was indestructible.
and sound like a truck
Metal and rock were built on a foundation of peavey and crate.
Indestructible but shitty tone
@@watcher9987 no way, my peavey rage rocked the house every night!
Come on those old peavey tube amps have great tone clean and driven.
In my later years I’ve had the means to have many vintage fender amps and my peavey classic 50 4x10 holds up to any of them. Never had any use for the huge 4x12 stacks, not playing stadiums lol.
I don’t have very much money and saved for two years to buy my estaban guitar and I’m very proud of it. It is the nicest thing I own and feel disappointed hearing this.
Don't feel bad. You're not planning to sell it, right? You go ahead and enjoy it. I have a kit built D-18 and it's one of the finest sounding acoustics I've ever played but it has no name on the headstock and I would never get anything out of it if I sold it but I don't plan on that.
one of - no, my favorite acoustic is a handmade that I bought on clearance at a shop for $150 about 20 years ago - plays like a dream. Had a Seagull, sold it.
Rick Springfield says "Be true to the gear that's true to you," and I'm a firm believer in that.
@@yabbadoody Great quote!
The original great blues masters recorded with guitars sold in catalogs from Montgomery Wards - stuff that modern cork-sniffers would describe as horrible instruments. A great guitarist can make ANY guitar touch your soul. You have to ignore the opinions of others. Play on, friend.
More power to you...enjoy your Estaban. I see these now and then at Pawn shops, but the reality is that you're probably not going to put this in your shop along side the Taylors and Martins...I'm not even sure if GC would buy these.. IDK.
I'll be 60 this year, and lugging around big cabinets is not something I want to do. I'm at the point where if I drop a pick, I have to decide if it's worth the effort to bend over to pick it up.
Nice.
I've been in your shop in Ormond beach years ago and bought an ESP and Ibanez from you. Same hair same dude and treated right. Always told my buds about this place but not to close to me...
Awesome! glad to hear from ya, I hope all is well.
I work in Backline rental and trust me.. the demand of 4x12s and marshall heads... are gone. Every artist do fly in gigs and the most popular unit right now is the Line 6 HX Stomp. For larger acts it's almost a 100% Kemper/QC.
Thanks for your input and thanks for watching.
I’m all in on the Helix these days. I actually went all in on the HD500 before the Helix came out. It…. wasn’t great. But it worked for fly dates. But I haven’t used a real amp in damn near a decade.
Were talking about us half Def Fat 60+ year old white guys with hip and knee replacements that rocked Girls and the world in the 80's..
And still do today to their own personal inner self.
I get it, unless your David Gilmour running a half dozen Hiwatt's, hell even Steve Howe runs modelers now.
But nothing like feeling young plugging into a stack and feeling it hitting you in the chest with a deep power cord.
That’s what Todd Rundgren uses, and he covers a lot of ground with it.
@@michaelmcewan5958 :: What are we talking about here? I was talking about his hair. If your referring to modelers I get it, he's always been a modern tech guy.
He's a sound engineer and producer.
I went and saw one of the top guitar players in my town. It was a medium(ish) bar. About 100 to 150 people. He sounded fabulous. So I went up to see what gear he was using. He was using a relatively inexpensive Fender Champion 40 with a few pedals?! I was shocked. It’s the player not the equipment and all the older guys want light equipment. It was a revelation.
My buddy had to sit one night playing a show because what he was moving caught the side of his leg , bent it the wrong way and destroyed his knee ...2 surgeries later ....
That's just the way it is. I sound like shit and it doesn't matter what I play through or how much it costs. I simply do not have the skill to take advantage of the capabilities of my gear. And I'm certainly not alone.
"Older guys want lighter equipment" Amen to that brother, my early playing days of low slung Les Paul's has played havoc with my back.
Amps will not become obsolete as long as their replacements are called "amp modelers."
Amps will never go away and modelers will never replace them. They’re just not as popular with everyone as they used to be. I still use my 412 cabinet my head at my house. I just don’t travel with them anymore. Thanks for watching.
..."Dad , what's a Guitar amplifier..."? .
It's tubes that are getting the stick.
Unless someone finds a Garage in Bum F*ck Briton with cases of NOS Telefunken preamp tubes, Mullard's 34's and 88's they all are used hand me downs.
eh, the “replacements” are way more convenient and quite convincing for what they are
@@randysguitaratticyeah they'll just never be bought or sold...
At 58 I still play all live shows with a Mesa Mark IV and 2 Mesa 4x12 cabs, all hooked up. Loud and proud.
I’m in my 50’s as well and have a Mark V combo for playing out. It’s too freaking heavy and awkward. 93lbs. I feel like my 4x12 cab is easier to carry because of the handle location.
I mix about 30 bands a year at a local rock club, plus some stagehand stuff. By far most i see is 2x12 and 1x12. 4x12s just aren't around anymore and i really, really don't miss em. They just take up floorspace.. When it is going to be miced anyway then it is just wasted cause you ain't putting that cab too loud on my stage... There is plenty of it already, and the sound is great on those 2x12s.. It is almost like technology advances and we get better at optimizing things so you don't need to haul so much of stuff... My live set as keyboardist is one keyboard, controller and a laptop. And i can have 30 synths on stage.... Get on with the program, rolling stones don't gather moss also means that you don't keep old tech around when it is not needed. It makes EVERYONE's lives better, you are not the only one hauling that cab; your bandmates or roadies are doing it too. So it is also selfish to carry old relics around. That is one big reason for minimizing my set: i want to be able to carry it all by myself.
I usually use 1x12 combos, but I looked for a deal on a used or new Revv D20, for several months, and got a killer deal on a used one, because that new one had come out.
I’ve been using it, with a 1x12 cab, that was for the Egnater Rebel amp.
It sounds killer, and I can get loud enough to play anywhere, snd plug in direct, using the amp and Two Notes Cab Sim.
I wanted it because of the Rebel
combo amp I have, that so got that cab with. It has a Cab Sim direct out, that sounded better direct through the board and PA, while I still can hear the amp onstage, than any modeler I’ve ever heard or played.
It uses the actual full amp, with just the cab being simulated, like the Rev does.
I realized there were a lot of amps with similar outs, with cab sims, or just DI outs.
Yet, the really expensive amps, by most companies, don’t feature this.
Every amp should have a cab sim out option, once at a certain price.
The Egnater Rebel sounds great, able to get Fender and Marshall tones, but they’re made cheaply.
@@squidcaps4308
How much they pay to have you carrying gear in? Christ. 😄
@@CorbCorbin I don't carry anything at work, i'm quite happily past that point but when i'm playing with the band, then all band members carry stuff. You don't seem to know the essential rules that have staid the same before we were homo sapiens, as long as music has been made by a group.
Remember all you old timers, and I'm 71 years old, Clapton recorded the Layla album with a Fender Champ. Save your back and go with smaller rigs.
He sure did and it’s a great album but he recorded the live Cream songs on those big old heavy stacks. For me I’m a sucker for older Fenders and my favourite Magnatone, great tone.
I'm 72 and played clubs from the age of 20 till I gave it up at age 62 or so in the late 60's thru the 80's you had to have at least one full stack marshall on stage, No longer necessary by the time I was in my late 50's I could get all I needed out of a 1 12" marshall tube amp with the PA systems even in a large venue I played Hard Rock. Mountian, Zepplin, Kansas, today I'm sure he is correct I have a stage 60 BlackStar never giged played half a dozen times don't like the sound brand new No one seems to want it. sold the old Marshall stacks in the 80's don't think they would sell today except for the plexi.
I carried a Fender Bronco for years. 1x6 speaker and the sound guys LOVED it. Guitar players asked me what I was playing through often. And they were always stunned. I just use a Helix nowadays. But I absolutely loved playing through a small rig.
I have a '59 Champ and a Pro Jr. , and an old tube screamer...
And Jimmy page used to record Led Zeppelin records with an old Supro
What I would buy is a Peavey 212 if I ever come across one. I bet it wouldn't cost more than what I paid for one as a teenager in the early 90s. Not because it was a fantastic piece of equipment but just for the nostalgic feeling it would give me
Digital is not direct replacement of a amp. A digital device doesn't produce any sound by itself, you still need to amplify it and a speaker is also needed to hear something.
That is hitting the nail on the head. A digital processor power amp and 2x12" cab just to get a sound out of your new Guitar is silly. A "Used" valve combo with reverb will sound "Massive". I believe a lot of players now have'nt heard what a real amp sounds like compared to digital box connected to powered cabs. All engineered to get the beginers to spend as much money as possible.
I agree. I do admit I use a laney combo for gigs but for recording I sometimes just use a jcm800 with a tube screamer and a mic on a single 12inch speaker, and for home recording it may be ridiculously simple and dated but it sounds perfect.
Same goes for most of the digital stuff everyone is raving now. At a certain point they won t get the updates anymore. Anything with leds and screens is outdated after one year
Bell bottom jeans went out in the early to mid 1970’s, then came back again. CD’s are being sold unless they are masters, and people are going back to albums. I just can’t imagine SRV, Dickey Betts or Clapton playing a little digital amp in their day. The tone of those older tube amps were and are wonderful still.
My 11 year old niece wanted a record player for her birthday this year. Target sells records now but not CDs... This amp thing too shall pass
A local dealer is going to give you about half of what they can sell it for if you are lucky. The cost of shipping heavy gear is going to be stupid. So the buying market is going to be limited to locals.
Well I have been using a kemper for 5 yrs and I still have a amp behind me for one reason I don’t care what anyone says old school amps create a feeling you can not get with digital yes you can get the tone from a kemper and I shure do but those vibes using a tube amp as my monitor I love that’s my opinion and sticking to it
I love when I use my real amp as well there's nothing like playing trough a 4/12 amp but unfortunately most of the stages I play are to small for them. So I use the Kemper or the QC. Thanks for watching
Here's a funny story. I owned a music store till late 2008. A parent of a kid brought in an Estabon acoustic for a string change. As soon as I cut the strings off, the tuners fell right off the guitar! The kid's mom gasped in horror. I told her it was a piece of shit, & sold her a Takamine to replace it. lol
Imagine being too dumb to change your own strings.
68 and still cart around 3 Marshall 1965 cabinets to most gigs
where do you play that you actuall 3 - 4x12 cabinets
@@castorkat4868 1965 are 4x10 cabinets, little more portable. Occasional outdoor stuff and large bars
@@castorkat4868 , The 1965 cabinet is a smaller 4 x 10.
Hell yeah!
@@jeffseven2194 love it, I use the big Marshalls for bigger venues, and for small venues I use the Marshall studio series, the jubilee, 800, and plexi minis are fantastic. I run the mini silver jubilee with matching cab turned opposite the crowd and crank the volume to 3, it’s hot, but everyone says I sound great.
I’m getting ready to order a Engl Powerball 2. I’ve gone the digital route then I plugged my amps back up and it was over for the digital stuff.
Love those amps
I have noticed that even vintage amps on marketplace aren’t selling. You have to price your tube amp so low just to sell it that it’s really not worth it, imo. I still love a live, loud, tube amp myself.
Right now it’s not a buyers market. Yet a $12,000 high end guitar will sell asap from a store.
Can lights? I remember a band I rented my old P.A. to, and they made their own floor lights with metal coffee cans and regular light bulbs.😎
One elephant in the room that seens to be missed is the dact that alot of millenuals and zoomers are living in apartments due to the insane housing bubble. Large cabs would take up too much space inside and are too hard to move alone when stairs are involved.
Tough to keep from disturbing the 3 roommates too.
Old Solid state amp worth buying = Roland JC120
Absolutely one of the best clean amps ever made. If it was good enough for Andy Summers its good enough for me
And the GK 250 ml
@@tag8uritI just wrote about the GK 250ML on two other comments here lol. I had one in the late 1980s and early 1990s and it was excellent. It was both great for practice and I could plug it into a cabinet for live gigs. I still miss mine and wish they were still being made. I wonder the same thing, are they worth anything now or even wanted by music stores?
Try a Trace Elliot Velocette - 15 watt class A valve amp. You can jog up the stairs with it, put a mic in front of it, sounds amazing, loves pedals, and is clean as a whistle when you crank it up. Loud as hell for a small amp.
Another factor in gear sitting around collecting dust is the condition the economy is in. The covid cash is gone, people's credit is maxed out, they're afraid for their jobs, and sellers still want $1,550 for a beat up silverface Princeton. Same thing is happening in the housing market in a lot of places. Hopefully the deflationary pressure hits the 4x12 market doubly. I could use a nice Marshall cabinet for my JVM 410h.
Cheers, great video!
Right! A lot of things are collecting dust due to inflation/economy. Will things ever get better? Right now things are getting worse day by day & people aren't really into music like they were years ago, so it doesn't look too good at this point in time.
I was at Music Go Round last week and it was packed with nice gear! It says to me that the economy is not doing well. Musicians don't usually sell their gear unless very hard up!
I'm 67 and I will keep my 1991 Peavey Bandit scorpion equipped. Still like New Great sounding Amp. Bought it new. Got a Fender 25 Frontman a lot lighter and sounds pretty good. I use it more. Lol
Another thing that's quickly going the way of the Dodo Bird,... Music stores with owners and employees that just love rehashing how great they once were.
Yea I’m worried they’re going to be a thing of the past.
Impossibru
Tbf, this guy didn't rehash any glory days at all. He's speaking pretty straightforward.
I’m with ya. I got 2 Marshall 4x 12 cabs. This guy goes not say how great they sound. I’m 63. Still carrying my cabs around easily! cause I wanna continue to ROCK
Millennials are now coming into money. We’re buying the 80’s Ferraris and Porsches we had on our walls as kids. We’re also buying the gear of our rock heroes from the 90’s. We’re obsessed with Kurt Cobains gear and many others who used this “antiquated” gear and willing to pay big bucks for them🤷🏻♂️
I totally agree, im been saying this for a 5 years the next group to watch is the kids of the 90's
“Coming into money,” not sure which Millenials you know lol
@@AkaTenguhaha, for sure
I play blues, funk and blues rock and have the same EMGs on my black 1972 Strat since 1986. They sound amazing and I don’t use them for heavy metal. They are extremely versatile pickups and are not just for heavy metal. In fact, I have them on two of my Strats. Both with a mid range boost where the bottom tone knob usually is.
I am old-school regarding gear, but I keep up with the times. Past equipment is like the Stone Age, I agree.
I'm 67. I purchased a hot rodded Nashville 400 (Peavey) 20 years ago for pedal steel. I still use it every day....even for jazz guitar. That said, I also have a Yamaha THR10X, but I rarely use it.
I guess I have to keep all my stuff. Good vid Randy.
2x12 combos..so true. Been trying to sell one locally for months, a 120-Watt USA-made amp, and not one bite.
Great video! Very cool! Keep the vids coming! I walked into a Radio Shack years ago, around 1990's or 2000's. I asked if they had record players...the salespeople looked at me like I was from Mars! A few years later, guess what back in style....
Not Radio Shack!
I love that 4x12’s have fallen out of fashion…better deals for me. I just bout a Mesa 4x12 with 2xEV12L’s and 2xCelestion C90’s on top with an open back. I’m 50, if I can’t lift a 4x12 then that isn’t age, that’s either atrophy or disability if you’ve been injured. Nothing sounds like a cranked stack behind you. It’s a physical thing. I’ve got a Kemper and a Fractal FM-9 which are cool but the shows I’ve seen with silent stages feel dead. Thankfully there are plenty of clubs that are still cool with the big amps.
Exactly.
Im 56. I still lug around 50-60 lb amps, but I have done hvac work my whole life and still do. I’m shocked when I see these young guys on TH-cam saying their fender 2x12 never leaves the house because it’s too heavy. I mean, if they are ok being that weak, then I’m ok with it, but I can’t be that guy, personally.
I completely disagree with the whole "4x12s are no longer needed" thing. The idea being you can just get a 2x12 or 1x12 or even a multi fx to fill the roll, with a sound tech. Then have house speakers do the work.
Most starting bands will stay just that. A starting band. Low budget , crap venue. Dirt floor bars without house speakers. Outdoor venues like wedding receptions and bday parties. Certainly can't pay a tech all the time.
"Most" of the time, that 4x12 is all there is. I lived above a metal bar , sat through countless garage bands. I've never, not one time, heard anyone complain that a half stack was "too heavy" to carry lol
Yeah, I think in about 10-15 years from now, people are going to start to "rediscover" tube amps and cabs and they will probably be more popular again.
@@toddhahn3690 I like solid state. Its come a long way. But I completely agree with you. "Bell bottom" syndrome will kick in
I'm 55 and have seen the business change and for the most part bands still use gear that you mention. Big cabs, heads, effects pedals, etc just like the old days. These are guys 25 years younger than I am, BUT the young, techy kids who play now are going ampless, and effectless because the effects are built into the guitar and controlled with an app that has every capability as Garageband, etc. So, they go to a gig with their guitar in a gig bag, and THAT'S it. It's pretty amazing, but I'm an old dog and I like using what's familiar, BUT as a bass player I am DONE with my beloved SWR 610, the best sounding bass cab ever made topped with my Mesa M6 Carbine. Now, I use a Mesa Walkabout and a 500w powered cab that weighs 40 lbs. Luckily I sold almost all my cabs in storage about a year ago because like you said, they sit on Craigslist for months because they're dinosaurs. Yes, Peavey RULES ! I dropped a head down a flight of stairs, off a moving truck, and it still works. Great video, but bittersweet.
Great overview, Randy! I hope you're well man.
All Good Shane, thanks for watching.
That dimarzzio super distortion is still great though
I have Fenders and Orange Crates, Mesa Boogie but, I also have this old Trainor... They were hit or miss but if yangot a good one, they sound really great and I have one. Nice for a clean, "surf music" sound amp, great for a keyboard amp, etc.. Love it. Nobody may want them anymore but the few that know, if you have a good one, are good as gold. 😆
What guitarists want is a small amp and a Hawaiian shirt.
The ones getting paid ..LOL
@floridafunandmore I just haven't had time to cash all the checks.
I'm competing for a place on the couch with A&R men and entertainment lawyer's. Once you become exploitable somebody will show up to exploit you. It's like having a nice ass.
Lol, I did my last gig with a Roland X15 Cube, and my silk flower shirt! 😎✌️
Got the amp but having a hard time locating a ",real" cool shirt or 2.
Odd about the EMGs, I've yet to see a good deal on one on either ebay or reverb . So that would indicate that theres still a demand. .... And how much space do the take up ?
Music stores sell primarily to non pros . Hence they have very little of what i need .
I've been developing small and mid size venue's for my entire life . Still buy , build and install old school rack gear and passive cabs by the truck 🚛
The private and public jobs we get via referrals keep my waiting list window at about 15 months and Im turning down work .
Vid rings true for people who don't know the difference.
I agree most small Music stores do cater to Non pros that’s where I separate myself. probably why I’ve been in business for 22 years. Being a working musician, I still cater to my fellow working musicians.. thanks for watching. I appreciate it.
@@randysguitarattic no doubt Randy we're seeing a transition to lighter more compact gear.
For the discerning guys and gals who are traveling and gigging on a regular basis the modern stuff is way more convenient .
I'm grateful that a lot of old gear is phased out on the open market .
I've been buying and reselling used and lightly used high-end product for about 25 cents on the dollar .
But you are correct, it's a tough sell to the day-to-day market .
I don’t gig anymore. I don’t need the hassle. I’ve got my fender hotrod deville (60 watts tube with 212’s) and my American Stratocaster. The amp is on a piece of furniture that’s fits it perfectly. I just turn the amp on and play. I couldn’t be happier.
I don't sell to music stores. They seldom offer more than about 30% of purchase price.
Music stores charge about double for what they pay so it makes no sense for them to pay full price for used. They need to make a profit to stay in business.
@@valvenator I understand that they have to make a profit, but they think they need a 70% profit margin? Nah.
@@careyvinzant Yeah, that is ridiculous. Many years back I had a Les Paul Standard that I wasn't using. Music store offered me $300 for it. Sold it to someone I knew for $850. In a way I think we both made out on the deal. I sold them a Precision bass with a warped neck for $250. About a month later I saw it in their flyer for $750 as is.
I still have my 6505+ and 4x12. Semi-retired after close to 20 years of non-stop gigging and rehearsing, sitting dusty in a corner. My Fractal rig gets all the love now. If I ever need to move that much air on stage, I can bring the half stack and run through the return but that seems less and less likely.
You know what else is mostly a thing of the past?GREAT Bands!!! Ill gladly keep toting my tube amps around 😊jmo... some good things out there that"simulate"the real thing👍
Printed music for, smoke on the water 😂
I was able to sell my 4x12 cab at guitar center. Glad I was able to get rid of that thing!
Small music stores are disappearing.
Not many stores can compete with online shopping. Kind of sad.
The one niche where passive PA speakers are still holding on is outdoor gigs. Powered speakers are great for clubs, but they still don't have the headroom for a street dance. It seems easier to just add more passive speakers for a longer street. But certainly, like you say, the demand for passive has gone down to nothing in most cases.
at 62 im still lugging a 96 Fender HRD with a 410 cab around for bigger outdoor gigs ill ABY my 86 JCM 800 2204 with 412 cab along side call me stubborn but u cant get that tone any other way folks just gotten talked into believing all that digital shit sounds just as good ,, also just picked up a 1971 JMP tremolo 50 Marshall head with a 1972 412 25w greenbacks pole sonic cones ,,, yeah they had me with the Mallards worth every red cent cant wait to gig it
I’m with y’all on this, but sadly, my health won’t let me carry amps & cabs anymore. Absolutely using amps to record, but logistically I have to use a modeller live. Unless I suddenly get rich, then I’ll pay someone to haul my Engl stuff about 😎👍
I don't know why you would bother. Everything is mic'd through the PA so what's the point.
I just got at 75 unmodded marshall "metal face" 1987mk2 50w all orig cept power caps n tubes last year. 2gs. 98 Mesa 4x12 in a live in road case. All orig v30s mint 4 hundo, and a hughs n kettner tri amp mk2 w orig foot switch for 7 hundo this year. I'm grabbing em cheap.
I bought a used Takamine box guitar from Facebook a few months ago for my niece, I think $80.00 with hard case. Perfect condition. I think new it sold for around $300$500. Guy told me his wife bought it to learn years ago and never touched it, they were cleaning out a room and just wanted it out of the house.
Such a sad reality. I had a huge PA jbls speakers, crown amps, stage lights par 56, par 64, nsi dimmer packs. I tryed to sell the stuff back in 2015, and nobody wanted it. I did sell some items but ended up giving to my band buddy who was still gigging. I had so much gear that was top notch that I gave to my friend. I still have my mega heavy mesa boogie bass 400 rack mounted gear in the flight style cases. I have a pair of 4 ×10 cabinates. This stuff was so expensive back in the day. I moved to Florida in 2017. Could not take the huge stuff with me. I just got tired of renting a storage unit. It was sad in a way. I was proud of that kick ass gear! I was old school with huge lights, sound, and rig! These are things of the past!😢
I would love to own a bar with a stage that was stocked with old stacks and musical equipment. I would invite bands to come in and play.
Nice video. As a bass player, the last think I want is an 8-10" or 2-15" or 1-18" scoop cabinet. I remember lugging those around in my early days in the 80's.
Peavey head units and amps are workhorses. 👍💪
So are Traynors. Both were over designed by engineers for working musicians and valued reliability.
I still have 3 ea Classic 50 heads they were designed by same engineer that designed Edwards 5150 they sound incredible through a 4x12 cab i play 3 stereo setups
Keeping my Fender 4x12, pipe a few different tube amp combos into it, the lower watt combos really shine on a 4x12. As far as tube amps go - that feeling between the fingers and strings is still what keeps me running tubes. Any SS amps that can do that I would like to know? I just haven't seen it myself yet...
Both of my local shops carry and buy ALL of this stuff.Used prices on nearly everything but vintage have fallen fairly dramatically lately.
For most live and practice applications, big amps are like owning cars in the city.Recording is where you still see big tube amps.
Modelers have gotten better, but I don't know many who pretend it sounds the same.Ive got a bunch of smaller 5 watt heads to match various cabs, along with some 15 & 20 watt for practice.Still hard to beat even a small head into a 4 - 12" or 4- 10",- and I suspect that is unlikely to change.
Music will always require feel and inspiration; tube amps will always be my thing, as will real spring verb and optical pedal circuits. Good speakers will always fetch good money.
i had an Esteban Acoustic (my nieces) and loved it, makes for a great fire starter as well.
It’s all about the classic timeless stuff from the good old days. Those vintage guitars from the 50s and 60s and amps from the 50s to the 70s will never lose their value cause they can’t be replaced with modern stuff. Quiet stage, in-ears, digital modeling is just a passing phase. Sooner or later people will realize it’s not the real thing.
Yeah, that'll happen when they realise autotune and pitch-correction ruins music....
This phase already happened once recently in the late 90’s early 2000’s. I made the mistake of selling some great vintage gear and going with Line 6 and Johnson Amplification gear- it never sounded right and I kicked myself for selling it. After suffering with the tone for years, it took forever to find what I had sold off. I’m back to using a 65 Deluxe Reverb and a 64 AC 30. No pedals necessary. I’ll never go back to modeling gear-ever.
@@wechsler151 Sorry, but gear doesn't matter to anyone but YOU!
YES, when you are in the room with a guitar that pleases your hands, and a nice amp that doesn't fry your hearing, it's great.
But everybody else will hear what came out of that Shure SM 57...
And they don't care if your guitar is "vintage" or whatever, only YOU care.
@@hansemannluchter643 But if the artist is not comfortable they will not play well and everyone will notice. Also, many comments here where people went to concerts with silent stage and said they noticed, so people notice and care. Shit, I noticed it all in the 80s when everything went digital and recorded music started sounding fake and "perfect" and guitar tone and drum sounds and bass became very unappealing and practically unlistenable to some of us.
I whipped up a bunch of pedal boards with the amps mounted right on the board. I've been really pleased with the Moorer Baby Bomb 30 units. With a Godlyke (Deluxe) Power-All and the really great "budget" pedals I could carry that, a guitar, and my 1x12 Carvin cabinet and get a great sound. I even have a Baby Bomb powered board that's stereo.
Good video, but if you have a cab, just have to move it. Use dollys and other things to help it move. Digital will not replace analog amps and cabs. They sell the cabs for the digital amps. Still need to be able to hear yourself and not everyone is going in ears. There still needs to be stage sound between players.
I completely disagree with the whole "4x12s are no longer needed" thing. The idea being you can just get a 2x12 or 1x12 or even a multi fx to fill the roll, with a sound tech. Then have house speakers do the work.
Most starting bands will stay just that. A starting band. Low budget , crap venue. Dirt floor bars without house speakers. Outdoor venues like wedding receptions and bday parties. Certainly can't pay a tech all the time.
"Most" of the time, that 4x12 is all there is. I lived above a metal bar , sat through countless garage bands. I've never, not one time, heard anyone complain that a half stack was "too heavy" to carry lol
Would you consider buying an acoustic 360 speaker cabinet?
If you want someone to know just how much you hate them, give them an Estiban guitar!
Actually cant stand any "Named" guitars ...dont care who it is ..or factory relic-ed
LOL
Our a fruit cake...😜
I'm 65 now, and my rig at the next gig in 3 weeks involves no amplifier at all.
My pedal board will be cabled directly into the powered mixer, and out to the PA cabs.
No amp.
No Shure 57.
No ghost feedback problems.
We did this at our last really big gig in December.
It worked and sounded great.
Yeah. There are a lot of people who resist change, and I understand it, but there's nothing like carrying your Helix to a gig, in a backpack, and plugging it directly into the sound board and it just works. The setlist is already pre-programmed and there's no tap dancing during a song. The knobs don't get all twisted so you don't have to reset everything. Your tone is consistent from show to show. Just plug in and play. If the soundguy can't make it sound decent, he's either got crappy equipment or they need a new soundguy.
Reverb is a price guide for retail prices. It absolutely is for the most part. Why not just say "we need to make a profit so you'll never get as much as you would get on reverb. But you also have to wait for the sale and deal with shipping. it's something to consider."
Reverb can be a price guide, but it's also a standard for crackpipe wishful prices.
Guitar Center is far better at this, they buy and sell nationwide, and thus have a massive data pool to crunch numbers from.
@@rocketpigrecords3719reverb shows sold prices and even shows when they were sold. It is the definition of a price guide.
reverb is getting out of hand jacking up their fees more and more, so it may be a kind of useful estimation, but i do not consider it to be accurate for most things. and right now a lot of things are not moving because people do not have disposable income like they once did, yet people are still asking sky high prices. most of this is based on the economy right now. in 5 or 10 years when the economy improves, you might find some things on this list are actually selling again.
Reverb can be a decent price guide, but you can only go by sold listings to ballpark an average price. Looking at the asking prices will just reveal a lot of delusional sellers.
Our recording studio is stacked full of all different classic 412 cabs and heads. No worries, they are not for sale. 😉
I bet your studio sounds amazing.
I don't understand why the 19" rack era is gone. All those crazy formats for pedals (all differents!) , it's heavy, clunky, you have to get the right voltage + power for each one, configure switchs/loops from hell... what a mess. With rack mounted gear everything was rock solid and safe, you plug in a dumb MIDI footswitch and here you go. Whenever a beer comes down at your feet, it's just a $150 no value added footswitch, not a precious pedal. Seriously, gear makers should join to produce standard sized / powered devices. Bring back the 80's, 19" rack format + MIDI !
19" is awesome but so big and heavy. They could shrink all that stuff down to 500 gear that fits in a tiny lunchbox. That would be the way.
I too greatly prefer rack units over pedals. Half-rack like the Boss units from the 80s would be a great compromise.
I also never understood why effects loops and pedals don't just use a single TRS cable for send/return.
Which solid state Ampeg amp do you have? The VH140’s are beasts, I have a combo that I’m converting into a head
Alot of venues still have the musicians hauling gear through the crowd instead of a backstage exit door, because there isn't an exit door near the stage. As a drummer, not only weight is critical, shear mass is even more critical because you don't want to be injuring people in the crowd or asking them all to move out of the way before your band has the chance to take stage. As much as I love the sound of huge drums, its not as practical in these situations, so i could see how 4-12's would not be desirable to buy or sell anymore when there's equipment out there that will do the job, and without the transport hassle.
I have the Japanese strap seen at 0:42...except mine is 35 years old and it shows. How much? :)
Funny about estaban guitars my dad bought one for the family for to learn to play….Brother and I have been playing for over 15 years now lol… no they we’re not very good guitars but it was always around the house so we would pick it up often we never watched the videos it came with but it did its job to get us hooked
Very true regarding amp size. I play acoustic guitar so I use acoustic amps. My Laney A Solo Acoustic is 60 watts, dual channel whereas my Laney LA20C is bigger, heavier, and only one channel. And less watts. Why own the latter when the former is a far better amp, overall. But I've got the two, and I'm happy.
and I remember when nobody wanted your pedals because rack gear was the new thing... this will all cycle around again when the quiet stage, digital trend is over... it doesn't work for rock and punk for instance.
Nah, the silent stage and by consequence digital modeling aren't going anywhere anytime soon if ever....it's the venue owners wet dream to have absolute control over volume and not have to deal with stage volume that's "too loud".
When even older guys like Metallica are using silent stages and are sounding better than all of the other thrash bands, I don't think it's going away.
@@JVMC_ZR1 for gained out metal sounds it doesn't matter what you play through.. agree there
@@ChrisCleek I run shows all the time and the only people who complain its too loud are staff and management. I say the same thing every time...ya know this is a Metal/punk/rock show right? its supposed to be too loud
@@myshow667 It's supposed to loud AND sound good. I've been to way too many shows where the drums drown out the vocals and the guitar or a guitar player with a 100 watt head is drowning out everything and all you hear is a bunch of feedback with crappy distortion and nothing else. A good stage sound need to be balanced regardless of volume.
When I don’t need something, typically it still has _some_ value to me, which invariably is greater than the resale value. I gave up trying sell used gear when (a) Guitar Center offered me a trade-in of $100 on my Epiphone Les Paul Standard (which I had bought from them) toward a Gibson, (b) I realized that most people answering ads were simply looking for gear that they could “flip” for more, and (c) Reverb was selling used units of amps I had, but wasn’t using, for half of what I would have thought the wholesale value was.
BTW, I did buy a used Crate amp with two 10” speakers just to have more of a true stereo chorus sound. It stopped working reliably shortly after I got it, but happily it worked fine after I got a better guitar cable.
As a bass player, I’m happy no one wants 4/10’s anymore. When it comes to moving air, nothing beats its. My SVT 5- Pro and PF 800 love the matching 4/10. Go somewhat big or go home, if you don’t want to bump gear, think about maybe not playing live? You can pry my jazz or pre out of my cold dead hands, lol.
Thanks enjoyed the video
Exactly, I never understood why so many people started using 1/12s or whatever. I guess they just want to use the PA as their amp. Or they play in quiet bands.
I'm a jazz fusion upright and five string electric bass player.
I own an acme 4-10, one of the lighter 4-10.
Sounds great but I purchased an acme 2-10 because it's easier to carry.
I decided if I'd need a 4-10, I'd rather carry around two 2-10s, rather than one 4-10.
@@arvidlystnur4827it’s all depends on your gig as well, everything I’m playing requires me to move some air and keep up with a hard hitting drummer, the front of house is a representation of our ability to gel on stage. The 2/10 x 2 is definitely a good idea
Gotta move air to feel that thump. 2 harke stacks with 4s + 15.×2 3500 heads ×2 direct box for different sounds and power.
I'm 58 and have used big amps always now I use 3 1987 Marshall silverjubilee fullstacks you can play them at bedroom volume on stage if you want, They look cool on stage and it is also a visual thing for the audience .
I am still absolutely blown away by my Kemper which I’ve owned for many years. But Now even the kemper is considered not good enough. Now you “must” have quad cortex or tone-x. Idk . Kemper still sounds great to me.
I still enjoy my Eleven Rack.🙂. It was good enough for pros in the past. Nowadays, there's always something new and expensive. If you like what you have, that's all that matters imo.
It's all variations on a theme with modellers in this day and age, and that's both a good thing and a bad thing.
Longtime player. I sold all my collectible amps when I bought my Kemper stage. I just simply don’t need those things anymore. Kemper is so great because it’s a profiler not a modeler. The technical parts not important but the reason why the other products keep getting promoted is because once you have a camper, you don’t need anything else. I love these things And I wouldn’t do anything else. I can play 10 vintage apps in a single gig that sounds just as good or better than the original.
Agree. Im still amazed by my Kemper. get every guitar tone imaginable
My deal with these is: I already know what I like, and I don't want or need endless options.
High gain Marshalls, and more recently the Soldano Hot Rod +, or JCA 50 in my case.
The Jet City was 325 bucks, if I decide to hate either channel, I can mod both channels to practically anything by spending like $150 at Epic and whipping out a soldering iron.
The digital stuff I'm sure is good, but it's all four figures, and eff that.
I sound like myself, I don't want your presets, and I definitely don't want distraction via ridiculous options - my $200 Line 6 M13 is more than enough in that department.
If I had to cover a back catalog of ever evolving gear changes live, sure. Everclear used Flextones for this, and I can totally see why Metallica went AxeFX live.
My amp emulator of choice is a Tech 21 Tri A.C., so, I guess I'm just a great sounding analog dinosaur.
Dude so many of these things are really accurate... But I will say as a guy who's been playing for a long time on regular gear or more traditional gear as it's known... I keep trying to make this digital transition and I keep going back to my regular amps it's just way easier for me to get that sound in a live environment. Don't get me wrong for recording I plug in and use neural DSP plugins all day long because they are so simple and adjustable.... Right now I'm trying to blend The Best of both worlds using tube power section to run preamps and effects from the Quad cortex into traditional cabinets... So far this is the best sound I can muster for a variety of applications.
Reminds me of the early 2000's when me and my room mates tried to pawn/donate/get rid of, a big floor model CRT tv, they were just starting to fall on the undesirable list, nobody wanted them. We stopped at several places before we realized.
It's cyclical. Those CRT's are popular again with the vintage gamers.
@Ryan.TH-cam Yeah, I have a 27" JVC CRT, a 13" Panasonic and am willing to take in more. They're great for retro video games that were designed for them, especially with the light guns.
I got back into gaming in about 2017 or about the time the switch came out. So, I dug out my NES and SNES from my parents attic and ended up scoring a Sony professional video monitor (pvm) crt from Craigslist from a guy who had his own tv studio. So, I am familiar with crt’s being desirable again. To me they look great especially running the old consoles.
Great channel, fun video!
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I sang in a punky/ska band in upper school, The Abstracked. Started as freshman and by year’s end were playing high school dances, grad. parties, opening for local bands. Our drummer’s older brothers were both in bands and supplied a lot of guidance and support. Anyway, reason for this dense comment: we saved our band wages and invested in a Peavey PA. We had two of the 800s, a board, and our Peavey Black Widow speakers. We became quite popular as a warm-up band as we could furnish the “Peavey Powered” PA, haha.
I can’t wait to get back to Portland, OR where Sax-man, Juan, and family live. After attending a week of ayahuasca ceremonies, during which charangos were featured for the Curadas-healing sacred songs. I bought 4 from Bolivia, gifted my 3 best buddies each a charango. I assume from his sax skills, Juan, just flies all over that little instrument (he’d never played a stringed instrument til he was about 50 years old.)
playing awesome runs as I chunk out chords on a six-string.
🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota
Yep, It's hard to sell those old heavy 2 rack space power amps (almost impossible to ship.) It's all powered monitors now.
You did a very good job in making your case, and everything you said rings true with what I’m seeing in the Midwest.
Heading should say "things music stores wont buy anymore unless it's vintage then we will consider it"
Hi Randy! Good to see ya on TH-cam! I just found your feed & subscribed. This is Troy, the bass player from your Hollyrock days! I'm still playing out & gigging. I'm a lifer! BTW - I agree about the amps. Who wants to lug all that crap around! I play solo and I'm always looking to down size. After a night of playing, I'm worn out and don't want to lift any more gear than I have to! Ha! Getting old makes you get smarter. (That's my excuse!) I love my Boss Katana MkII 100W amp. Light & loud as hell if needed! Cheers!
Hey Troy good to hear from you! and Im still playing just about every weekend and traveling all over US on some of the dates.Glad you liked the video and keep in touch.
@@randysguitarattic I would like to come to your shop sometime in the future and say hello. Do you have a website for your gigs?
I live in the Mount Dora area so if you ever come this way, I'll be there! ✌❤🎸
Dude, I love my ADA MP-1 preamp. But I admit it is part of a type of rig that no longer really exists. It’s a cool piece of gear history.
What’s great about Reverb is that you do have geeks who are into old stuff like rack gear, preamps, that sorta thing. You might find a buyer who is tickled to snag a vintage piece of gear that’s considered obsolete
I still run rack stuff. My favorite rig i had was a sho bud pedal steel through a stereo reverb delay rack mount boss rv 70, and if i run any effects like chorus i throw in a rackmount stereo bbe 462 exiter expander so i can even the eq out. I use it to tame the lows on chorus so my lower strings arent twice as loud as my high strings. I ran that through two peavey amps with black widows. A 210 watt nashville 400, and a 300 watt nashville 1000. Sonic heaven.
@@Bearthalamass I haven't turned on my MP-1 in a while, but last time I did I ran it into my AxeFX III as a preamp block and it sounded awesome. It's not really necessary with all the great amp models the AxeFX has built in, though.
Most larger stores will absolutely buy 4x12s (in decent condition)at the present time. With smaller music stores, it may not be desirable to tie up that much floor space with a higher-ticket item that may take weeks or months to move. Completely understandable on their part, but one can still move a 4x12 through the right retail channels.
In my mid 40s, I looked at my unwieldy Hartke rig and had to admit it was too much for the small rooms I was playing. I bought a MarkBass JB model combo which I coukd lift to shoulder height with one arm. I certainly miss the clarity of the Hartke, but I don't need to push it toward anything near its maximal capabilities and the MB is so much easier to transport, store, and set up. Still, for everyone like me, there's a 20 year-old kid salivating over a 410XL V2 imagining the rumble that you feel resonating in his chest when he punches thst open A string.
4x12 cabs aren't going anywhere and neither are heads! Digital is digital, there is still a difference between the real thing. There's still something about a real tube head and 4x12 cab that digital can't ever capture!
Buddy, it's just a speaker. In the end all amps go to a speaker.
@@ramiabiakar2391 just a speaker huh! I don't think I want to waste my time discussing speakers and cabs to someone who clearly doesn't know how important they are to getting ones own sound! The last thing you ever hear from any proficient musician is a speaker and cab that they took the time to investigate and choose because that's what they wanted to use to express what comes from their heart and their hands! It's just as important as any other part of the artist's sound chain!
@@bobbiedeleon4845Only one who cares is you.
The audience don't care what gear you use.
@@hansemannluchter643 You are so Correct! I do a single with just my Guitar, Old Drum box and a Harmonizer and work very hard! The audience does not care if I am Canned or Live! Just as long as it SOUNDS Good to them ! But for me LIVE keeps me Sharp!
@@randymemphis Thx.
I realised this back when I was 16..
I'd obsess over the "different sound" of various Strats and Teles, Pre-CBS, the dreaded CBS 3-bolts etc, only to realise that nobody listening heard any difference.
It's all in your left and right hand.
Probably mostly in your right (picking) hand.
Unless you are a "South-Paw", then it's the other way around...
Great advice Randy! At 55, it took awhile to accept that the newer technologies are better and more convenient than most of the gear we lusted after and later acquired back in the day. But nostalgia is a powerful thing. I enjoyed the video man!
I still remember the Esteban infomercials 😂
Wasn't that the guy that dressed up like Zorro, mask and all?