Matt Walker: Sleep | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Matt Walker is a sleep scientist at Berkeley, author of Why We Sleep, and the host of a new podcast called The Matt Walker Podcast. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
2:05 - Putin moment: Lex takes Matt's sunglasses
2:26 - Fascination with sleep
6:35 - Why do we sleep?
15:06 - Computer vision for driver assistance
24:28 - Consciousness is fundamental
32:34 - Lex on human to robot connection
35:01 - Scent of a Woman is better than "John Wick"
46:42 - Distinction between coffee and caffeine
1:12:26 - The science of 'sleeping on it'
1:26:19 - Lex on his sleeping schedule
1:51:23 - Chronotypes
1:58:52 - How to overcome insomnia
2:16:15 - Diet and sleep
2:25:12 - Where do dreams come from?
2:38:50 - How sleep affects emotions
2:45:43 - Meaning of life
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2:05 - Putin moment: Lex takes Matt's sunglasses
2:26 - Fascination with sleep
6:35 - Why do we sleep?
15:06 - Computer vision for driver assistance
24:28 - Consciousness is fundamental
32:34 - Lex on human to robot connection
35:01 - Scent of a Woman is better than "John Wick"
46:42 - Distinction between coffee and caffeine
1:12:26 - The science of 'sleeping on it'
1:26:19 - Lex on his sleeping schedule
1:51:23 - Chronotypes
1:58:52 - How to overcome insomnia
2:16:15 - Diet and sleep
2:25:12 - Where do dreams come from?
2:38:50 - How sleep affects emotions
2:45:43 - Meaning of life
Lex, if you really want super human problems solving skills, you MUST try an extended water fast.....like more than 10 days. Love your content!
@@Daniel.Stanescu guy is a liar and a shill that provides zero credible info. Bob Lazar provides more harm to our society than good due to him talking about divine conscious beings that there are no proof of. hearing someone talk about divine conscious creatures, and saying these divine conscious beings know about them is just kinda sad ngl. im not sure lex would like that.
hearing someone say that there are divine conscious beings that are out there that know all about themselves seems to have restarted at Gobekli Tepe after the cataclysms, but the need for religions and fake beings out there have no need for oursociety any more really.
TH-cam doesn’t allow captions for this podcast, especially when this particular guest stated patients with dementia (another disability group)were ignored, ironically.
Dear Lex, for the purpose of the interview it is always much better to place the strongest lights on the opposite side of the camera. You may want to add some fill-in light from the camera direction, but that is lees crucial. This way you'll get much more professional looking results. Otherwise I love your work and please carry on. :)
@@jimrodtka852 Go on...
Brilliance on both sides. Thank you for holding and recording this conversation so that we all can benefit.
I see you 🤘
@@grrkerson Both of those already exist and they are wonderful podcasts!
Dr.Huberman, please please team up with Walker and Sinclair in a podcast episode hosted by Fridman and title it “HOW TO BECOME IMMORTAL”
I would like to understand why it so that I get the Micro sleeps almost all of the time I drive and not only the car but the motorcycle also?
I agree wholeheartedly
We need a crossover episode with Andrew Huberman, David Sinclair, and Mathew Walker hosted by Fridman titled “HOW TO BECOME IMORTAL”
Hahaha please
@@ianagtsk please God no
we need ice king Wim Hof in on this
dont forget Rich Roll ..
Lol
His podcast with joe rogan changed how I sleep which then changed my life. Cheers matt!
Reading Matt's book last year had the same effect on me. If you're interested in something equally mindblowing/lifechanging, I would highly recommend James Nestor's Breath. He was on JRE too, episode 1506. Take care, sleep well and use your nose! :)
@James xxx that might be the case, it still got me to re-evaluate how I sleep and change my behaviour accordingly. I got additional information from the Huberman Lab podcast to fine tune my day even more. Whatever Matt might have gotten wrong, I don't know, but I applied his advice to my day to day life and kept following it, if I felt like it worked.
@@ttt6648 Unfortunately, it's more that that. It becomes pretty obvious from 'Matthew Walker's "Why We Sleep" Is Riddled with Scientific and Factual Errors' that Walker commits research misconduct like all the time and still stays in the limelight and with so many people worhipping him. He should have been banned from academia ages ago, yet here we are having him at the Lex's podcast :(
Yes. I (reluctantly) added sleep and a sleep tracker to my life immediately after the JRE appearance. I was a "I only need 6 hours" sleep machismo
@@IvanSolonenko @James xxx And from the way you two awkwardly cut and paste the same phrase "it becomes pretty obvious" that you are bots on a vendetta, with nothing to add.
Lex I don’t know if you read these comments, but this is by far my favorite episode. The way things are explained with a passion is remarkable.
This guy is so awesome. His response to Lex’s consciousness question is incredibly insightful, intriguing, and profound and answers his question as best as he can directly. That’s not easy, off the cuff.
Ye hes very intelligent. Maybe more than lex
@@wernerbro3208 I don't know if it's wise to compare intelligence. You can learn from anyone.
@Ville Vuorinen Me too, it's not common for me but not particularly rare that I become someone else in my dreams.
I also found it insightful. But, then again he had 20 years to think about it :) Still brilliant coversation.
1:29:00
Lex: I know all these great people who didn't sleep a lot.
Matt: Yeah, I know a lot more about them.
Love how well Matthew presents! His passion, knowledge, and pacing/ vocal variety are on point.
his confidence.. and humility are also quite endearing, he's calm about admitting he tackled an age old question with a 2 year timeframe, and humble in admitting he was at the 20 year mark.
Actually, I found his speech pattern annoying enough that despite the interesting content I had to stop listening.
But maybe I'm just tired.
@@AnonYmous-rw6un This is one of those video's I'm going to remember is there, and come back to finish when I'm ready to absorb as much insight as possible.
@James xxx So is your face
@@funtimes8296 What they were trying to say is not a statement but the name of an article debunking Walker's book, just search 'Matthew Walker Guzey'
It's only looking back I realize how thankful I am to Matthew Walker. I was a perpetual 5-7 hr sleeper (usually 6ish) and was constantly caffeinated and tired. Hearing him on Joe Rogan's podcast, I decided to test out actually sticking to a routine of 8 hrs every night (min 7.5, some nights 9 or 10). And I can't say enough about the benefits this has given me. I thought I didn't have time for that extra hour due to work, but now with more sleep I'm so productive I have way more free time even with that hour lost. I no longer drink coffee, yet feel my focus, energy and overall willpower is 10x higher than when I had to caffeinate myself to get a job done. It just feels like I have more brainpower, my anxiety dropped incredibly lower, and I'm just way happier overall. So thanks again Matt Walker, keep spreading the gospel of sleep!
Matthew Walker has been interviewed by so many highly qualified and highly respected individuals. But you have brought out the heart and soul of this brilliant scientist. Well done.
Matt’s hair is the best advertisement for the value of sleep I’ve seen
That Matt's hair isn't his but that of a hairdresser's cream solution is important .I don't hesitate to say, who can you trust when they present as they imagine they wished they were. I keep imagine these two..out on the range roping calf's, returning to a campfire, then carrying on about memory enhancing, triple espresso's & skipping two days sleep in order to collaborate with silicon valley think tanks.., man Im so deeply grateful not to be so scattered as to what a valuable life means🎈
Heres my annual plea for a John Carmack interview, to chat about his inroads with AGI and his recent fawning over by Elon, and also the request of his aerospace knowledge and engineering acumen for SpaceX.
I second that
John is a visionaire and an iconic figure, also as mentioned, he happens to be doing work with AI.
Did you see him on Rogan a couple years ago?
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 sure did.. great listen!
Totally read this as John Cena, lolololol!
Matt Walker’s voice and speaking pace is so peaceful and soothing, I really enjoyed listening to this in bed before falling asleep.
The results of a good, peaceful night's sleep, I guess haha
How can you put so much content in a month? It's incredible!
I am on the road 5-6 hours a day, I can't imagine not listening to your podcast every time I'm on the road now.
And sometimes I feel drawn to the podcast even at home.
Amazing work Lex, keep going!
I think he simply manages his time very well. He has a video about his daily schedule, and once you see that, it makes sense that he's able to be so productive over time.
He has the sleep schedule of a coke head and the time management skills of the gregorian calendar.
@@AssailantLF can you share the link of video man v
if nothing else Matt, you've absolutely helped me receive higher quality and more consistent sleep. I'm truly thankful for that and hope you continue to enlighten the rest of the world.
This is up there with one of Lex’s best interviews. Superb guest
I should be sleeping, but instead I'm watching this.
I have just listened to Clara Sousa-Silva and Michael Malice in entirety and I'm working in 6 hours! And then I see this!!!!
Literally everyone
It’s 11:00 AM in New Jersey where are you bro😂😭
Loved this. Felt like conversational chess, as both picked their way so thoughtfully through the discussion. Fascinating.
Lex surely has anticipated this meeting of minds for a while
His answer to the meaning of life really hit me, it's such a simplistic answer on the surface but I found it so profound at the same time. For whatever reason it really grabbed me, brought tears to my eyes while listening on the train.
Feeling your heart is so good for your soul. When you feel something and see something at the same.
*Literally about to go to sleep and this gets posted. Lex you sage*
A-MAZING! Couldn’t stop watching! Best interview with Matt Walker I’ve seen! I LOVE the exchange and challenges Lex introduces! Thank you both!
Matt Walker speaks so eloquently, calmly, clearly and is easy to follow and understand even though it's big ideas he's discussing. He is amazing.
Because of Matt Walker I'm much more conscious and strict about my sleep schedule. Thank you Matt!
Me too
Lex "It's Kind of A Dance Between" Fridman
Yes ! This is the perfect podcast to catch up on any of the new revelations of understanding sleep ! Haven't seen Mr Walker since his Rogan talk a few years ago and that one stands out, for me.
Did you see recent article in Apple news? Made the conclusion of sleeping alone is much wiser and better for my sleep I’d rather sleep on a hard floor with few blankets instead with my partner in a bed . Although I have extremely bad back and I’ve probably increased my % of getting dementia ten fold just past two years with averaging 2-4 hours of napping through the night . I only recently started sleeping on floor and felt it’s better .
I feel a kind of tranquil wisdom from Matt, he feels balanced between emotional intelligence and rationality. Balance is a beautiful thing. Hard to obtain, and hard to keep.
His JRE appearance was super intriguing
@James xxx yet countless people experience improvements by following his advice
@James xxx how so?
I love Matt Walker's thoughtful responses, and how he stayed true to his vision of bringing the truth from the health perspective of sleep to everyone. He has definitely impacted how I approach sleep. Many thanks for the wonderful messaging and staying true to your passion.
31:25 - 32:35 this is such a deep thought! so good. This is one of my favorite episodes so far. The mystery of sleep and the dreaming state and the questions it makes us ask ourselves about consciousness are just so fascinating. Matt Walker is absolutely brilliant in his delivery on the subject here. Nice work!
Matt was the only person who educated me on the fact that weed suppresses rem sleep. My sleep and overall quality of life has improved drastically since I quit smoking and I have him to thank
Ironically this knowledge led me to smoke/vape MORE (in evenings) to avoid edibles with their longer-lasting effects. That said I'm low dose with either, and wouldn't recommend either for falling asleep.
@@csn583 doesn’t even have to be before bed, long term use even if you’re not high when you go to sleep will cause it. It takes about a week for me to dream again when I stop smoking
I never dreamed when I smoked weed. Alcohol has a similar affect on me as well. Probably a disruption in deep sleep.
But now you’re not smoking weed and giving yourself access to ultra rapid mind body improvement. (Yeah yeah, muh ‘can get that without weed just fine’, ok).
congrats on quitting, enjoy improved well being.👌🥕
You guys are opening doors to so many potential geniuses in humanity's future. Please don't ever stop!
Sleeping is a nice thing. Pretty happy you are trying it Lex
Matt, your book, masterclass and various talks never cease to amaze. Thanks for having another wonderful guest, Lex.
The most useful 2.5 hours I have spent listening to podcasts-I only wish I could have listened to/Heard this, when I was Ten years old !
Matthew is a great educator, one of the few books I gave 5/5 stars, it's that good. It totally changed my mind about the priority between diet, exercise and sleep.
Yeah, you learn that basically diet and exercise won’t get you far at all if you don’t also catch your Z’s
Even if we take exercise out of the equation, before reading his book, I always thought that a good healthy diet is basically all you need and had a sort of "we sleep when we're dead" mentality. It turns out that sleep is much more important before my priority was like diet > exercise > sleep, now diet > sleep > exercise, but diet and exercise start to move on the same level tbh.
@James xxx for example?
Just found this podcast its 4:40am in the uk and excited to binge watch !! Thank you !!
Thank you for this wonderful podcast! I appreciate both of your expertise and your thoughtfulness in this conversation. Love Matt's book. It's a life changer!
Wow, what a resource to have in the podcast space. Thanks for joining the space, Matt! I've subbed to the podcast. Looking forward to learning.
I was so looking forward to this conversation of yours with Jim.
Lex this conversation was awesome. You have such a unique style of asking questions and sharing. Matt's work is so interesting.
what a beautiful conversation and a show of respect. Thank you for this
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Matt looks just like Chuck Norris in WALKER Texas Ranger?
Haha, that’s how I remember his name, he’s the image
Lex, I don't know if you will read this, but, if I remember correctly, when I first saw one or two videos in which you appeared, I didn't like you. I think you were criticizing someone I admired, or whatever (not that you care). However, I have grown to love your vulnerability, mental acuity, and willingness to discuss things we the listeners either have battled with ourselves or didn't even think needed to be discussed!
This interview, in particular, was simply amazing. Matt is a great guy with a huge heart. He is genuine (from what I can tell), just as you are. I really wish you success with your channel, teaching, and all you do. Your upbringing (Russian, if I am not mistaken) really seems to have prepared you to help us "Westerners" see things from a different perspective.
This interview went way beyond sleep and has encouraged me to get back into my passions (while sustaining them with good sleep haha), some of which include research and asking big questions like you guys do. 10/10. I hope to watch this interview 2/3 more times.
Loved this episode, one of my favorite so far, can't wait to get started on Matt's book. Keep up the great work Lex!
Mathew walker changed my life🙏. I struggle to begin to have words to describe. narcolepsy impacts every single aspect of life and is more terrifying then anyone can ever imagine, and that's just the day time sleepiness the handful of other symptoms are enough to consider giving up. My narcolepsy went from aggressively dangerous to nearly comfortable thanks to this wonderful human being. I've had many doctors who could clearly care less about my well-being: 1 doctor told me to stop my cataplexy just not to laugh or get angry. 2 none of them REALLY gave me actions or information to help... scientists are the best doctors..👍 THANKS MATTHEW WALKER! Oh and Lex is a bad ass too, your killing it! your an inspiration thanks for what your do and thanks for another great podcast 👍
Wonderful interview, thank you, always a pleasure to listen to Matthew, he has such energy and engaging way of presenting information but this one felt special, deeper, more meaningful and emotional. I have read his book as well and would highly recommend it to everyone, I actually have gifted it to several people and will keep doing it!
Nice to see two so knowledge persons being so humble. Sure role models for me!
Why We Sleep is one of my favorite books. It's incredibly heartfelt and compassionate. Even besides the vast amounts of referenced research, the advice is really impactful on a human level. It helped me make more conscientious choices about how to spend my time, awake and asleep, in general.
Matt I’ve watched your TedTalk, read docs from you, shared them w friends, thank you for your work! I think probably millions of people are depriving themselves from sleeping, I’ve done it myself. Now I urge everyone the importance of sleeping well for our health.
Lex thank you for keep trying make the World better, your podcasts are deeply educational, smart and sincere. Greetings from an Engineer in Costa Rica 🇨🇷
Wow! Another one for the record books. Amazingly useful content, and fantastic human connection between the two. Bravo, gents.
I was waiting for Matt to eventually come to the podcast, and it finally happened
I love Matthew Walker so much. He's helped me and by now probably millions of others gain serious knowledge and insight into a topic that's been somehow mostly disregarded by society. My appreciation for this podcast and others he's done is immense. Thank you so extremely much for both of your work, it's 100% changed my life.
Great explanation by Matthew Walker. Thanks sir for explaining the importance of sleep.
I've been waiting for this amazing podcast!! What a great guest!
I am, as a chemist that has a t-shirt that says : " eat, sleep, chemistry, repeat", utterly fascinated by your ideas about enjoying your life as a scientist even if it doesn't make any sense to other people. In this journey, I repeat to myself what David Goggins says: A lot of people don't understand me, I'm glad you don't understand me. Merry Christmas, good on you!
I love Matthew Walker. This to date is the best interview I’ve seen of him. Lex shows his youthful playful spirit and cuts sone of the seriousness of Matthew’s personality and in return we get a joyous result in our response. Thank you Lex, thank you Matthew, for being you. ♥️🙏🏼
The was a couple of questions when Lex idealistic conceptions challenged some of the core arguments but Matt handled them beautifully. I enjoyed this interview immensely.
Excellent!
Just damn excellent Lex!
Thank you for such a fantastic interview!
Beautiful conversation and a beautiful ending
Don’t ever change ~ Please always stay as genuine as you are.
"thank you for what you do for the world and for me included".
+1 to that! Thank you so much Lex 😊
You should try and have Naval on. Would be a fantastic discussion.
What a fascinating podcast, keep up the good work Lex!
@lex thank you for your service!
Always a great guest
-Beautiful flow of conversation
-Matt Walker's passion, amazing educational skill, lots of really apt analogies and quotes regarding the physiology of sleep
-Lex's talent at being a really smooth interlocutor
-An extremely interesting and useful topic
....made this a beautiful experience.
Thank you
love this guy.. been waiting for a new pod with him on big up lex
What an amazing episode
I’ve been WAITING for Matt Walker to come on here. FINALLY. ❤️
Loved this guy on Huberman. Made me realize sleeping once a week is gonna kill me.
Jesus Christ once a week wtf
Pretty sure once a week would kill you within a few months
@@orirune3079 I've decided I need to quit the drugs. This guy and Huberman spoke some sense into me.
@@rayneweber7942 Nice! Good luck to you!
@@rayneweber7942 Way to go man! Keep it up.
Lex thanks for bringing Matt here. !!!
OMFG YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get so hyped when I see a Lex guest whose literature ive delved into.
Thanks so much both of yall.
Sleep is the blessing for me! Love good night's sleep.
Thank you, Lex. On the one hand, it's wonderful to have someone who can ask questions that are as good as, if not better than, the answers. On the other hand, it's amazing to see how imperfect we are and how much potential we have as a species as a result of that imperfection. Спасибо.
After Matt’s masterclass he became one if my favourite scientists. Thank you, Lex, for making this episode!
exceptionally good show today. Lex keeps getting better and better
Love your content, Lex!
Thanks for the conversation, Lex. Superb as always. Can you ask Matt more about conscious dreaming studies and effects if you’ll have another round in the future? It has really interesting ideas and seemingly affects the learning process on the level close to the real world practices.
Damn. This dude looks well rested.
Amazing contents, very educational and informative, thanks you SIR!
Matt Walker and Lex Fridman are legends, and are as wise and fascinating as they are also humble and curious to keep learning and understanding. This conversation spans some very interesting, useful, sometimes even unexpected, territory, and is WELL worth watching and listening to, I would say, for anyone who can take the time to do so.
Both are brilliant !
Lex you are doing great 💜
Brilliant, he’s one of my favourite Rogan episodes, listened to it at least 3 times, so interesting 😴
Was feeling a bit yucky today so I thought I’d lie down and listen… I actually dozed off! Not because it was boring but both of your voices are so soothing and calming to my ear! Thank the Lord for rewind! Love this conversation!
Well said about working hard to accomplish your goals and dreams.
Matthew Walker gets me to feel excited about sleeping. Really. I look forward to sleeping now more than ever. I love dreams even if they are nightmares sometimes.
What an incredibly eloquent and thoughtful man Matt Walker is! I so loved this whole conversation!
Lex, I'm not sure if you'll ever read this, but I too fall in the "night owl" category. I'm an artist, and extremely passionate about what I do, unfortunately all my creativity and ideas come to me in full drive at nighttime.
I've had to alter my natural internal clock at times, but it never feels natural for me.
And I too get a lot of well intentioned people giving me concerned advice at times. Ack!
best episode ever to fall asleep too!
Dude has a great book - highly recommend
I really respect Matt for recognising and explaining that he sounded a bit puritanical in the book and in the public a few years ago. I actually got quite anxious about my own sleep, coffee (which I really enjoy), and circadian rythm.
I really enjoyed this conversation and appreciate both your ability to convey your thoughts in such an articulate way. I would have liked to have heard how sleep effects hormone levels
Lex: "Can I ask you a philosophical question, before we get into the fun details?"
*Me Thinking* "is there really a differentiation there? and how is this NOT fun already?
This conversation is fascinating AND entertaining!"
I slept so good while trying to listen to this.
"In 20 years of research, there is not a single psychiatric condition where sleep is normal" - Matt Walker
Dang this was another incredible podcast, great conversation!!
Thank you for the video.
I just want to thank this man for making me feel like I'm not inferior for not being a morning person. I've been given so much shit my whole life called lazy and unmotivated and everything in between. But i'm productive as all hell. I'm just productive between noon and midnight.
Watching this while being sleep deprived is interesting
Please work as hard as you can and as much as you can. I am envious that you have found your passion and are enfolded in it! Yes, I may live a decade or so longer than you and other brilliant scientists, but you will live a much richer life than myself and many others. Work your ass off! And thank you for sharing your brilliance in your podcasts.