Yeah Raves are darker and more influenced by industrial, EBM and synth nowadays. The techno movement and it's artists make way darker music today than it used to be. If the kids only knew.
@@mellekorv2 Personally I prefer the more psychedelic techno (Andrew Weatherall Hacienda 1993) from the era where genres weren’t as defined and the track selection was a little less rigid. There is definitely a scene for everyone now though too, the Australians are creating a beautiful and trippy techno sound that contrasts the more brutal European thing going on
Well, a lot of people also label as EBM a lot of electronic music that isn't, including a lot of bands or labels. EBM is more than just aggressive electronic music. There are a lot of Techno Industrial, Harsh Elektro, Hellectro, etc. and other derivatives out there that are not EBM but people still label it because EBM has gone viral.
I think you have spent too much time talking about NIN, ignoring bands like Skinny Puppy, much more tied to the E.B.M scene and more important for the followers of the E.B.M. and even between 1989 and the early 90s when very influential bands came out that turned the E.B.M. much more aggressive and dark, like Leæther Strip, X Marks The Pedwalk (recently converted to Synthpop), Pouppé Fabrikk, Armageddon Dildos, yelworC, Calva y Nada, Ionic Vision… Also, the name Electronic Body Music was tagged by Front 242 in 1985, on their album "No Comment" to describe their music. This tag did not exist previously. D.A.F. previously put a similar tag in German to define his music, "Korpse Muzik" (Body Music), although he omitted the word Electronic in that name. Also, I think Tangerine Dream is not really a big influence on the origin of the E.B.M., but Throbbing Gristle is. In fact bands like Front 242 and others have always named Throbbing Gristle. And I honestly think that at the origin of E.B.M., Belgium was more important than Germany, with bands like Front 242, A Split-Second, Signal Aout 42, Vomito Negro, The Force Dimension, Insekt, Absolute Body Control and some others. Maybe Germany had D.A.F. and Die Krupps as two of the first important bands, but Belgium was more fruitful initially. In Europe the E.B.M. was and is stronger than in the US. For example, in the US the bands that started in the E.B.M. have ended up incorporating guitars and a similarity to the more classic rock or metal bands, although the style of these bands was called Industrial Rock (Ministry, Revolting Cocks, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, KMFDM (this band originary from Germany)…) while in Europe they have been more respectful of the E.B.M. essence, despite the fact that some European bands had some incursions with guitars in the mid-90s (Die Krupps, Pouppée Fabrikk, Psychopomps, Klute, etc). Still, the E.B.M. it is alive, with some small variations (Dark Electro, Electro Industrial, Future Pop, T.B.M. (Techno Body Music), and the reborn of Industrial Techno and the "new" New Beat). All this should not be forgotten that during the formation of the E.B.M., there were always flirtations with Dark Wave and Goth Rock (Second Voice, Advanced Art, Calva y Nada, The Invincible Spirit, etc). If you are interested, you can listen to my DJ shows on Mixcloud, where there are some 80s, 90s and current music in different sub-styles. www.mixcloud.com/ROGER24/
This. I think the differencies between American and European movement laid in rock area and greater segregration of subcultures. European EBM/Electro scene was very electro-centric that's why Nine Inch Nails, Ministry and others didn't make it big. Industrial scene in Europe was NOT THE SAME thing as EBM trying to stay closer to its foundation as avantgarde movement rooted in experimental music. And unlike US Europe had HUGE rave scene behind with goa trance crossovering a lot in late 90s with Electro/EBM. And of course Goth/Dark Wave lovers were often drawn into through Neue Deutsche Todeskunst and horror atmospheres of dark electro movement led mostly by Germans. It didn't happen in US (correct me if I am wrong) until late 90s when Goths and Rivetheads were lumped together in the same clubs.
Yes and no :) Belgium was hyperimportant in the development of various strains of EBM (especially in the late 1980s as EBM and New Beat weaved in and out of the respective genre pools), but the influence of the Neue Deutsche Welle period is absolutely not to be understated. And I think a big missing piece in this history is Liaisons Dangereuses :)
@@blackraven5389 I think that is not exactly the case. The Industrial movement and EBM in Europe are quite close, since during the early 80s, when the first bands began to be created, they came out of Punk and Industrial groups, although EBM does not exist as a phenomenon, since this musical label la they defined Front 242 in 1984 for their album No Comment. Until then it was about Electronic, Industrial or Techno music. DAF were one of the pioneers, and although according to them they defined their music as EKM, an acronym for the German Elektronische Korpse Musik, (in English, Electronic Body Music), but I have doubts about whether this was real or later to the Front 242 label in 1984, to appropriate it. Anyway, those years all started and it is not like now where all bands know what each other is doing in any part of the world, and even each one of them worked in their own way in their studio. Thus, The Neon Judgment was also labeled as EBM, when except for one album or specific songs, the rest never were. A Split-Second, à; Grumh ... they also brought out their own style, or The Weathermen, Borghesia, Nitzer Ebb, Pankow, The Invincible Spirit, etc. Each one sounded different and they continue to do so, even though they have lost their personality. Commercial globalism has had a significant impact on what was once very marginal music, both positively and negatively. It all started from the British Industrial Throbbing Gristle, Cavaret Voltaire, etc. It was at the beginning of 1987 or 1988 when it began to take off in more countries such as Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland ... And from the 1989 to the mid-90s it was briefly consolidated thanks to labels such as ZYX/Techno Drome Int., Music Reserach (Zoth Ommog), Hyperium, Machinery, Celtic Circle Productions, etc to give a few examples. All of them disappeared and that created the Dark Electro or Dark Body Music that some of us called, as it is a darker EBM (yelworC, Project Pitchfork, X Marks The Pedwalk, Leæther Strip…). As for the New Beat, although it derives from the beginning of EBM y New Wave a base de ser discos puestos a bajas revoluciones o BPM, it quickly becomes more casual Techno and more and more commercial and worse quality, dying of success in its three years of life (1987-1989). As for the Goth and Dark Wave, here in Europe they lived together in the same clubs within the same scene, where EBM, New Beat and Synthpop sounded. There was never any problem, at least here in Valencia where there were several discos and clubs of these genres. In the 1980s for Goth and Dark Wave it was labeled Sinister music, and for EBM, Industrial and New Beat, it was identified as Machine music. If it sounded something from Revolting Cocks and Ministry (from the 80s) it could be included as Machine. NIN never sounded in these clubs. Skinny Puppy entered the EBM scene, even though it was Electro-Industrial. And others like FLA, Manufacture, etc, were also logically included within the EBM. The Goa and Trance scene never had relation with EBM. But in the late 90s or early 2000s, bands like Apoptigma Berzerk or new ones like VNV Nation, incorporated a Trance sound to their music, creating a variant between EBM, Synthpop and Techno, known as Future Pop, a label that VNV Nation put on to define their music.
@@snallkriminell Liaisons Dangereuses were like DAF, a pre-EBM band. I consider them as Industrial, Electro-Industrial, Minimal Electronics ... and of course they can be listed as EBM, but they are not, because they only have one album released in 1981, and the EBM label appeared in 1984.
@@roger24 well, I only meant that's part of the DNA, just like the punk scene and many other influences. Listening to Liaisons one cannot not see it as protoebm imho :)
D.A.F, Absolute Body Control, Palais Schaumberg & Einstürzende Neubauten were the soundtrack for my weirdo social circle in my 20s hahaha. That led to the bands they formed (//TENSE//, Die Selektion, Kriminel, Cathedral). Glad to see a 3rd Generation of EBMers cropping up as we get older 💪🏿
I watched this video awhile after you posted it, it was a pure coincidence, and now I came back 3 years later while I was looking for content about EBM only to realize that there isn't any. It's sad no one's talking about EBM and industrial music while there are plenty of channels talking about goth, punk and other alt underground scenes. EBM needs a comeback for sure.
This inspired me to break out some old Renegade Soundwave. Gotta mention my local guys Skinny Puppy and Frontline Assembly (whose Intermix project was a really unique mix of EBM and early rave)
I've been listening to EBM since the 80s, could have touched on some of the newer-ish stuff like Synthpop ala Wolfshiem and aggrotech ala Hocico...EBM is still going strong
EBM and Industrial merge in mid 80's, Wax Trax! was part of it: early Industrial act became more EBM (dance club style and less avant garde/noise) like 'Christ & Cosey' or Cabaret Voltaire. Dying Goth scene from late 80's merge with Industrial, example: 'Sisters of Mercy' and 'Alien Sex Fiend' had more Industrial/hard electric sound. I remember Goth clubs in L.A. rapidly became more "EBM/Industrial"
My introduction to EBM happened in 1987 when I was 18 in a New Wave Club I was always at every weekend. It was actually a "Videoteque". They had a bunch of TVs all over the place and they played the videos along with most songs. One night, the DJ turns the lights down and goes silent for a second, and then the song Murderous (Nitzer Ebb) along with its video starts playing. My jaw just dropped! I was in absolute AWE! That sound! That relentless beat! That aggressiveness! That video! I was just left both perplexed and confused as to what exactly was it I had just seen and heard! Needless to say, Nitzer Ebb became one of my favorite bands of the 80s,
AFI has an EBM side project Blaqk Audio. I remember seeing an Alternative press magazine at a book store and the singer of AFI was wearing a VNV Nation shirt . A few years later Blaqk Audio released an album described by the band as AFI with synths instead of guitars.
Unlike Metal, EBM was such an aggresive, brutal and angry genre. But unfortunately, the subgenre of Electronic Rock music failed to go to mainstream where Metal is still on the mainstream since 1970s, because it was unlikely possible to produce music at real time, where other subgenres of rock music can be produced in the real time.
I used to listen to Radio Digital Gunfire (no longer online), I found amazing bands that I'm still listening to this day. Rabia Sorda, VNV Nation, Frontline Assemble, Imperative Reaction, God Module, just to name a few. EBM is not so popular but it's still strong, just the way I like it!
The 80’s had also a dystopian, no future, industrial zeitgeist. With synths getting cheaper and better, some dropped their guitars. Punks became Alternatives as counter culture to the wanna be yuppies. The New Romantics, NDW and EBM became popular in the early-mid eighties. EBM from DAF plus Depeche Mode and Detroit Techno resulted in EBM of the late 80’s. Which dissolved into the 90’s rave culture. It’s influence still can be heard trough Rammstein.
EBM is still very well known here stateside, at least amongst industrial fans. I mean industrial in & of itself is like quasi "underground" (Outside of your big acts like NIN). You'll also occasionally catch some at raves. Like actual raves not just EDM night at the club, or some famous DJ/Producer playing a show at a big venue in town.....and definitely not a festival.....
Hey I appreciate this as some one who discovered the Cyber Goth industrial scene around 2011 was directed to Front 242 the Industrial and EBM side of life has been a Go to genre ever sense, I appreciate this video now their a couple other bands for me to look into I appreciate this .
EBM basslines were not really made with OB-Xa or Jupited-8 because of the high price, DAF used an MS-20 and some others in the early 80's used the Pro-One too
A detail, but in Belgium, nobody say "Front two hundreds forty two" or "two forty two", in french we just say "Front two four two", like the band call themselves.
Always nice to see videos of EBM. I'm very into genres that evolved from EBM (Futurepop for example) or synth heavy music, so interesting to hear where theyt took inspiration.
Lost Genre Episode suggestion: 80s Freestyle/Latin Freestyle music! I hope you find enjoyment in your research of the genre if you decide to cover it! 80s hip-hop, 80s Electro, 80s pop, early house, lots of genres had a hand in the sound/the sound influenced lots of sounds! I like to call it "Italo-Disco's cousin" lol
Informative and useful for the beginners. Proto EBM bands, apart from DAF, to be explored (from early 80's) are Die Krupps, Liaison Dangereuses, Portion Control, The Neon Judgement. Only thing that need an absolute correction is mention of crucial synthesizers for the genre. Proto EBM bands used (analog)) mono synths like Korg MS 20, Yamaha CS-15, SC - Pro One, Moog Source, ... EBM (past 1985) was made by digital synths of which Yamaha DX7 was a staple with its metallic FM bass sounds. PS - There is no synth 'Jupiter Juno 8'. There are poly synths "Roland Jupiter 4/6/8' and 'Roland Juno 6/60/106'. Keep up with the good work.
I've always heard "Front Two-Four-Two." The only time I've ever, ever heard "Two fourty-Two" is when they were very briefly mentioned on Beverly Hills 90120. But anyway, in America, these bands were on college radio, and at alternative dance clubs, you'd hear them in the same places you'd hear the Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Xymox, etc. Later examples of the genre could be seen in Hate Dept., Spahn Ranch, Cubanate, and 16 volt in the 90s, and after that, bands like Covenant and VNV Nation in the 2000s.
Just closed a weekend where we had Underviewer and a Front242 DJset by Patrick Codenys in our OFF week event. It was insane - both the music and the vibe on the dancefloor! DAF was also part ot the OMBRA line up year some years ago - still buzzing on the memories. And we have some surprises coming for the 2023 edition ⚠hope to see you on the dancefloor!
I learned about this music watching The Some Bizarre Show on Night Flight in the 80's. I never knew what to call it. It wasn't punk, wasn't new wave, wasn't synthpop, wasn't metal...but it was kind of all of them. I settled on 'Industrial', which seemed to mostly fit. I didn't hear the term 'EBM' until decades later. I still haven't figured out where the crossover occurred between EBM and House.
Is just was at a downtempo techno rave and the closing dj played lot of EBM Stuff. I recently added joining the chant to my sets. it just wants to make your body dance.
I was blessed enough to grow up in Houston Texas, where we have a bar that still open a nightclub with fantastic lights called numbers! In the mid-80s they were playing all that stuff, Belgium, Germany, Kraftwerk all that stuff numbers, steel rocks, 48 years in the business
Great concise video packed with interesting information. You really took time to think this through and choose your words and descriptions accurately. I remember way back, I was into Front 242, NIN and some other bands, but NIN just seemed to venture into the rock - and that was a huge turn-off as many of us back then were SICK of guitars & drums. Also, the music was ALL so very very DARK. (shall I say even satanic) I couldn't imagine why some bands didn't venture off into a lighter shade of black every once in a while, it just got too dismal pounding pounding darkness. Maybe there were some, but I must have missed them. Variety is the spice of life.
i'm house head,just came to local gigs in my hometown,why it's sound familiar, something like techno made in berlin ,they have the acid & techno bassdrum too,but the performer act like punk/skinhead *same haircut like the guy in 8:30 who is that? ,amaze that how could i dance to this music, dark ,energetic harsh synth ,love it
You seriously put effort into hitting the mark (so to speak). I saw my first Skinny Puppy concert in 1985. Just wondering why you did not mention that influence on NIN?
I wouldn't say EBM is dead. It just morphed into sever other more well defined genres. Best example, Aethetic Perfection and APOP are technically categorized as EBM, but would you put it in the same EBM as Front 242?
You got a lot of things wrong, my friend. Most of it is pointed out below (e.g. the origin of EBM). Front 242 coined it. Also, and this is important, when most, if not all of, these bands started out, there wasn't a particular genre for this. Everything went under Alternative music. The particular tags came much later with the only caveat that Throbbing Gristle was an Industrial art movement and also referenced that. NIN might have the biggest fan movement, but BY FAR they've had the least influence on industrial music. Nothing in comparison to Ministry, Front242 or Laibach. More experimental groups such as Einsturzende Neubauten or the Klinik also inspired much much more artist as well. And I wouldn't say EBM is dead. It has just evolved. First into Techno and House and therefor you could say that all electronic dance music today owes to the early synth based groups and artists.
Nice little intro to the genre, it definitely has a lot of influence and I feel like a lot of people lump some of these artists in with industrial as there is some crossover, too bad there's no audio examples. I was lucky to find this music while the genre was still being produced, in the late 80s and early 90s, mostly from the influence of friends from the local dial up BBS scene in Milwaukee so there's some great memories tied in with it.
Thank you so much and totally agree! Would've loved to put some of the music of the genre unfortunately copyright is what it is on youtube! But yes I think it is a distinct genre away from industrial, specifically the rock influence is what really separates it out. Glad you have such great memories associated with the genre!
Hats off for you to do this! Seeing a "new" youtuber talking about a genre this old I know this is impossible. But can you try to make Aggrotech (sub genre to EBM)
El "ebm" se forja y nace del EDM Concreto de Giorgio Moroder y los géneros matrices y primarios de esta escena electronica: el NRG, Synthpop y Electro (EDM Concreto 1ra Etapa / 1977-1980). Las bases del EDM que forja el "ebm" nace de las líneas y bases de los productores y máximos desarrolladores de la Electronica Post Concreta, Moog, Experimental & Soundtrack de los 70s: Moroder, Jarre, Lacksman, Tangerine Dreams, YMO, Schulze, Vangelis, Faltermeyer, Tonet, Gizzi, Pinhas, Martin W. & Ian C...(solo por mencionar los mas relevantes). Quien les ha dicho que la base electronica primaria de la "ebm" se forja del Progressive Rock & Krautrock Alemán de Kraftwerk?...estamos hablando de "ebm" o de Post Punk? 😂
Really enjoyed this video! I prefer EBSM (electronic body synth music) myself, which is a really fun subgenre of EBM. I recommend checking some of it out if you can! The idea of EBSM is basically taking EBM and putting even more synth into it. It's kinda hard to describe beyond that (I don't have your way with words lmao) but I really enjoy it.
It’s weird - I was really into Nitzer Ebb, Front242, Meat Beat Manifesto, DAF, Borghesia alongside Kraftwerk etc because they were NOT rock and I was always into electronic music. I got into acid house, techno when the rave scene kicked off but still listened to all kinds of music, so I never really got how many of these bands moved into the goth rock or a metal direction I didn’t get the connection. Eg Nitzer Ebb always sounded and were very much in my mind inspired by early house, disco and funk for example listen to ‘Divine - Native Love’ next to Nitzer Ebbs - Murderous and it’s a pretty clear link. It’s cool though, not really my cup of tea but I like RevCo and can appreciate what these later bands did.
Ebm isn't lost nor forgotten just have to know the bands to know it I've been a fan of Tons of music since 92 or 93 so I'm always exploring new and old stuff
Good effort and I know I came late but 3 years after it’s fair to say EBM is not dead - it morphed, evolved and mutated. Just take a look around, research and listen. You’ll be surprised.
Nitzer Ebb is pronounced N-AI-tsa Ebb. In the 80s, McCarthy was asked by a German interviewer about the pronounciation of that name. The I is spoken like Eye.
Clearly how conscious you were of this music / genre depended largely on your age, where you grew up / lived when it was most active and influential, if you were a drug user... if you were a clubber... if you were a DJ... etc. I happened to grow up in Houston, TX in the 70's and 80's--which has a VERY vibrant club / dance music culture and scene (surprisingly). Did you have to look for it? Definitely. They weren't playin' no EBM on the radio stations there... only hard rock (now called "classic" rock, pop, country, and r&b. It was kind of a weird moment in time because I grew up kind of the "country"--on the edge of Houston--which is now deeply suburban. I had a horse. I had a cow. I had ducks. I had rabbits. I had a pet possum. And I also had a friend who was gay and into clubbing and club drugs LONG before he was old enough to enter / imbibe legally. And he kind of indoctrinated me (and our entire clique) into that underground club scene (in the early to mid 80's). He was also the main weed dealer in school (he had an uncle that lived down along the TX / Mexico border who would bring up pounds of weed and leave them with him to sell.) So he could also get things like coke and x and meth and acid... which we all experimented with pretty young. Ultimately those experiences got me into dance / club music... got me buying 12" singles and hanging out in the hip downtown Houston record stores, sneaking into dance clubs with my older brother's drivers license, doing ecstasy--DEALING ecstasy--working in clubs, spinning records, running lights, seeing some of these bands when they were just starting out / touring (like Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, NIN, etc). But I meet people my age all the time--from all over the US and the world--who have never ever heard of most of these EBM / Industrial groups / songs... or are only vaguely familiar with one or two songs.
These bands aren't EBM. They are Cold Wave, Dark Wave… but not EBM. The EBM is very different and actually are a few bands that really doing EBM. You must listen to Front 242 (until 1991), Nitzer Ebb (until 1990), the old Leæther Strip (until 1993), the old Front Line Assembly (until 1992), the old X Marks The Pedwalk (until 1993), Orange Sector, Pouppée Fabrikk, Signal Aout 42, Ionic Vision… these bands and similar are EBM.
@@SoporVK Thank you very much, but I live in Europe and I know many bands from the 80's until now. I've been a fan of EBM since 1986, (and of the Techno, New Beat and Dark Wave scene) and I was also a DJ in the late 80's and early 90's. Here in my country, Valencia was one of the most emblematic places of the 80's European scene in underground clubs and pubs in many cities. Currently I do my DJ sets monthly and publish them on Mixcloud, usually with current music (EBM, Electro Industrial, Dark Electro, Industrial Techno, Nu New Beat, Synthpop…). The problem is that a lot of people label EBM music that isn't, like Future Pop, Aggrotech, Hellektro, HarshEBM, Cold Wave, Post-Punk, etc. In recent years some new and legendary EBM bands put out some releases but on the other hand many bands disappeared. Other projects are really shoddy or more Electro-Punk than EBM, with the typical alcohol or muscle and steel themes. But some have good quality. Lately I'm a big fan of bands like Atropine, Fix8:Sed8, Black Agent, Conformco, First Aid 4 Souls… but they're Electro Industrial in the way of Skinny Puppy, not EBM.
Gabi and Rob are certified gays as well as many more prominent World Stars! I had to pause your vid just to make clear that this thing feeds into so much more!
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Head like a hole... Front Line Assembly, Skinny P, Project Pitchfork, Sheep on Drugs, Clock DVA, etc.
EBM is still my favourite musical genre, and i am almost 57 years old.
Keep on ravin' my friend!
and mine too. I'm near 63. Uncle Al's age too
That is why, I am als 57 and for me it is still the best dance music
Of course, why not!
EBM is still really big in European raves today!
So dope to know! Such an awesome aggressive style of music!!
In São Paulo There is a scene too. Love EBM. Madame Club and via underground. And the genre has evolved. Loved your vídeo.
Yeah Raves are darker and more influenced by industrial, EBM and synth nowadays. The techno movement and it's artists make way darker music today than it used to be. If the kids only knew.
@@mellekorv2 Personally I prefer the more psychedelic techno (Andrew Weatherall Hacienda 1993) from the era where genres weren’t as defined and the track selection was a little less rigid.
There is definitely a scene for everyone now though too, the Australians are creating a beautiful and trippy techno sound that contrasts the more brutal European thing going on
Well, a lot of people also label as EBM a lot of electronic music that isn't, including a lot of bands or labels. EBM is more than just aggressive electronic music. There are a lot of Techno Industrial, Harsh Elektro, Hellectro, etc. and other derivatives out there that are not EBM but people still label it because EBM has gone viral.
I think you have spent too much time talking about NIN, ignoring bands like Skinny Puppy, much more tied to the E.B.M scene and more important for the followers of the E.B.M. and even between 1989 and the early 90s when very influential bands came out that turned the E.B.M. much more aggressive and dark, like Leæther Strip, X Marks The Pedwalk (recently converted to Synthpop), Pouppé Fabrikk, Armageddon Dildos, yelworC, Calva y Nada, Ionic Vision… Also, the name Electronic Body Music was tagged by Front 242 in 1985, on their album "No Comment" to describe their music. This tag did not exist previously. D.A.F. previously put a similar tag in German to define his music, "Korpse Muzik" (Body Music), although he omitted the word Electronic in that name. Also, I think Tangerine Dream is not really a big influence on the origin of the E.B.M., but Throbbing Gristle is. In fact bands like Front 242 and others have always named Throbbing Gristle. And I honestly think that at the origin of E.B.M., Belgium was more important than Germany, with bands like Front 242, A Split-Second, Signal Aout 42, Vomito Negro, The Force Dimension, Insekt, Absolute Body Control and some others. Maybe Germany had D.A.F. and Die Krupps as two of the first important bands, but Belgium was more fruitful initially.
In Europe the E.B.M. was and is stronger than in the US. For example, in the US the bands that started in the E.B.M. have ended up incorporating guitars and a similarity to the more classic rock or metal bands, although the style of these bands was called Industrial Rock (Ministry, Revolting Cocks, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, KMFDM (this band originary from Germany)…) while in Europe they have been more respectful of the E.B.M. essence, despite the fact that some European bands had some incursions with guitars in the mid-90s (Die Krupps, Pouppée Fabrikk, Psychopomps, Klute, etc). Still, the E.B.M. it is alive, with some small variations (Dark Electro, Electro Industrial, Future Pop, T.B.M. (Techno Body Music), and the reborn of Industrial Techno and the "new" New Beat). All this should not be forgotten that during the formation of the E.B.M., there were always flirtations with Dark Wave and Goth Rock (Second Voice, Advanced Art, Calva y Nada, The Invincible Spirit, etc). If you are interested, you can listen to my DJ shows on Mixcloud, where there are some 80s, 90s and current music in different sub-styles.
www.mixcloud.com/ROGER24/
This. I think the differencies between American and European movement laid in rock area and greater segregration of subcultures. European EBM/Electro scene was very electro-centric that's why Nine Inch Nails, Ministry and others didn't make it big. Industrial scene in Europe was NOT THE SAME thing as EBM trying to stay closer to its foundation as avantgarde movement rooted in experimental music. And unlike US Europe had HUGE rave scene behind with goa trance crossovering a lot in late 90s with Electro/EBM. And of course Goth/Dark Wave lovers were often drawn into through Neue Deutsche Todeskunst and horror atmospheres of dark electro movement led mostly by Germans. It didn't happen in US (correct me if I am wrong) until late 90s when Goths and Rivetheads were lumped together in the same clubs.
Yes and no :) Belgium was hyperimportant in the development of various strains of EBM (especially in the late 1980s as EBM and New Beat weaved in and out of the respective genre pools), but the influence of the Neue Deutsche Welle period is absolutely not to be understated. And I think a big missing piece in this history is Liaisons Dangereuses :)
@@blackraven5389 I think that is not exactly the case. The Industrial movement and EBM in Europe are quite close, since during the early 80s, when the first bands began to be created, they came out of Punk and Industrial groups, although EBM does not exist as a phenomenon, since this musical label la they defined Front 242 in 1984 for their album No Comment. Until then it was about Electronic, Industrial or Techno music. DAF were one of the pioneers, and although according to them they defined their music as EKM, an acronym for the German Elektronische Korpse Musik, (in English, Electronic Body Music), but I have doubts about whether this was real or later to the Front 242 label in 1984, to appropriate it. Anyway, those years all started and it is not like now where all bands know what each other is doing in any part of the world, and even each one of them worked in their own way in their studio. Thus, The Neon Judgment was also labeled as EBM, when except for one album or specific songs, the rest never were. A Split-Second, à; Grumh ... they also brought out their own style, or The Weathermen, Borghesia, Nitzer Ebb, Pankow, The Invincible Spirit, etc. Each one sounded different and they continue to do so, even though they have lost their personality. Commercial globalism has had a significant impact on what was once very marginal music, both positively and negatively. It all started from the British Industrial Throbbing Gristle, Cavaret Voltaire, etc. It was at the beginning of 1987 or 1988 when it began to take off in more countries such as Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland ... And from the 1989 to the mid-90s it was briefly consolidated thanks to labels such as ZYX/Techno Drome Int., Music Reserach (Zoth Ommog), Hyperium, Machinery, Celtic Circle Productions, etc to give a few examples. All of them disappeared and that created the Dark Electro or Dark Body Music that some of us called, as it is a darker EBM (yelworC, Project Pitchfork, X Marks The Pedwalk, Leæther Strip…). As for the New Beat, although it derives from the beginning of EBM y New Wave a base de ser discos puestos a bajas revoluciones o BPM, it quickly becomes more casual Techno and more and more commercial and worse quality, dying of success in its three years of life (1987-1989).
As for the Goth and Dark Wave, here in Europe they lived together in the same clubs within the same scene, where EBM, New Beat and Synthpop sounded. There was never any problem, at least here in Valencia where there were several discos and clubs of these genres. In the 1980s for Goth and Dark Wave it was labeled Sinister music, and for EBM, Industrial and New Beat, it was identified as Machine music. If it sounded something from Revolting Cocks and Ministry (from the 80s) it could be included as Machine. NIN never sounded in these clubs. Skinny Puppy entered the EBM scene, even though it was Electro-Industrial. And others like FLA, Manufacture, etc, were also logically included within the EBM.
The Goa and Trance scene never had relation with EBM. But in the late 90s or early 2000s, bands like Apoptigma Berzerk or new ones like VNV Nation, incorporated a Trance sound to their music, creating a variant between EBM, Synthpop and Techno, known as Future Pop, a label that VNV Nation put on to define their music.
@@snallkriminell Liaisons Dangereuses were like DAF, a pre-EBM band. I consider them as Industrial, Electro-Industrial, Minimal Electronics ... and of course they can be listed as EBM, but they are not, because they only have one album released in 1981, and the EBM label appeared in 1984.
@@roger24 well, I only meant that's part of the DNA, just like the punk scene and many other influences. Listening to Liaisons one cannot not see it as protoebm imho :)
Those who grew up with EBM still keep it close to heart. I'm very proud of my subculture still. 🖤
EBM music and movement still alive and kicking all over the world! New releases every month from new and old alike!
D.A.F, Absolute Body Control, Palais Schaumberg & Einstürzende Neubauten were the soundtrack for my weirdo social circle in my 20s hahaha. That led to the bands they formed (//TENSE//, Die Selektion, Kriminel, Cathedral). Glad to see a 3rd Generation of EBMers cropping up as we get older 💪🏿
Cry Blood Apache was another band with an EBM influence from that time.
I watched this video awhile after you posted it, it was a pure coincidence, and now I came back 3 years later while I was looking for content about EBM only to realize that there isn't any. It's sad no one's talking about EBM and industrial music while there are plenty of channels talking about goth, punk and other alt underground scenes. EBM needs a comeback for sure.
RIP Gabi, we miss you so much. Wir denken an dich!
This inspired me to break out some old Renegade Soundwave. Gotta mention my local guys Skinny Puppy and Frontline Assembly (whose Intermix project was a really unique mix of EBM and early rave)
NIN connected with EBM? Really? And what about the Belgian sound?
Right! Bands like A Split Second are missing here. And the whole New Beat Sound as well
I've been listening to EBM since the 80s, could have touched on some of the newer-ish stuff like Synthpop ala Wolfshiem and aggrotech ala Hocico...EBM is still going strong
Nitzer, Front and Frontline were the top 3 for us.
dont forget skinny puppy was before frontline
EBM and Industrial merge in mid 80's, Wax Trax! was part of it: early Industrial act became more EBM (dance club style and less avant garde/noise) like 'Christ & Cosey' or Cabaret Voltaire. Dying Goth scene from late 80's merge with Industrial, example: 'Sisters of Mercy' and 'Alien Sex Fiend' had more Industrial/hard electric sound. I remember Goth clubs in L.A. rapidly became more "EBM/Industrial"
My introduction to EBM happened in 1987 when I was 18 in a New Wave Club I was always at every weekend. It was actually a "Videoteque". They had a bunch of TVs all over the place and they played the videos along with most songs. One night, the DJ turns the lights down and goes silent for a second, and then the song Murderous (Nitzer Ebb) along with its video starts playing. My jaw just dropped! I was in absolute AWE! That sound! That relentless beat! That aggressiveness! That video! I was just left both perplexed and confused as to what exactly was it I had just seen and heard! Needless to say, Nitzer Ebb became one of my favorite bands of the 80s,
This is such an interesting series. It's always interesting to learn about obscure and/or forgotten genres.
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed will have a new episode out hopefully within the next 4-6 weeks so stay tuned!!
Awesome. I look forward to it.
AFI has an EBM side project Blaqk Audio. I remember seeing an Alternative press magazine at a book store and the singer of AFI was wearing a VNV Nation shirt . A few years later Blaqk Audio released an album described by the band as AFI with synths instead of guitars.
Unlike Metal, EBM was such an aggresive, brutal and angry genre. But unfortunately, the subgenre of Electronic Rock music failed to go to mainstream where Metal is still on the mainstream since 1970s, because it was unlikely possible to produce music at real time, where other subgenres of rock music can be produced in the real time.
Loved my CDs this is electric body music volume 1, 2 and 3. Lost them in 2000, can't find copies anywhere.
I used to listen to Radio Digital Gunfire (no longer online), I found amazing bands that I'm still listening to this day. Rabia Sorda, VNV Nation, Frontline Assemble, Imperative Reaction, God Module, just to name a few. EBM is not so popular but it's still strong, just the way I like it!
The 80’s had also a dystopian, no future, industrial zeitgeist. With synths getting cheaper and better, some dropped their guitars. Punks became Alternatives as counter culture to the wanna be yuppies. The New Romantics, NDW and EBM became popular in the early-mid eighties. EBM from DAF plus Depeche Mode and Detroit Techno resulted in EBM of the late 80’s. Which dissolved into the 90’s rave culture. It’s influence still can be heard trough Rammstein.
EBM is still very well known here stateside, at least amongst industrial fans. I mean industrial in & of itself is like quasi "underground" (Outside of your big acts like NIN). You'll also occasionally catch some at raves. Like actual raves not just EDM night at the club, or some famous DJ/Producer playing a show at a big venue in town.....and definitely not a festival.....
Hey I appreciate this as some one who discovered the Cyber Goth industrial scene around 2011 was directed to Front 242 the Industrial and EBM side of life has been a Go to genre ever sense, I appreciate this video now their a couple other bands for me to look into I appreciate this .
EBM basslines were not really made with OB-Xa or Jupited-8 because of the high price,
DAF used an MS-20 and some others in the early 80's used the Pro-One too
A detail, but in Belgium, nobody say "Front two hundreds forty two" or "two forty two", in french we just say "Front two four two", like the band call themselves.
Missed Skinny puppy as thats who influenced Trent for NIN
Great video. Minor style point: it's Front "two four two" not "two forty two." Thanks.
Thank you and thank you for the correction!
Always nice to see videos of EBM. I'm very into genres that evolved from EBM (Futurepop for example) or synth heavy music, so interesting to hear where theyt took inspiration.
Lost Genre Episode suggestion: 80s Freestyle/Latin Freestyle music!
I hope you find enjoyment in your research of the genre if you decide to cover it! 80s hip-hop, 80s Electro, 80s pop, early house, lots of genres had a hand in the sound/the sound influenced lots of sounds! I like to call it "Italo-Disco's cousin" lol
Yep
This was great to watch. I feel EBM does not get enough love.
Informative and useful for the beginners. Proto EBM bands, apart from DAF, to be explored (from early 80's) are Die Krupps, Liaison Dangereuses, Portion Control, The Neon Judgement.
Only thing that need an absolute correction is mention of crucial synthesizers for the genre. Proto EBM bands used (analog)) mono synths like Korg MS 20, Yamaha CS-15, SC - Pro One, Moog Source, ... EBM (past 1985) was made by digital synths of which Yamaha DX7 was a staple with its metallic FM bass sounds. PS - There is no synth 'Jupiter Juno 8'. There are poly synths "Roland Jupiter 4/6/8' and 'Roland Juno 6/60/106'. Keep up with the good work.
I've always heard "Front Two-Four-Two." The only time I've ever, ever heard "Two fourty-Two" is when they were very briefly mentioned on Beverly Hills 90120. But anyway, in America, these bands were on college radio, and at alternative dance clubs, you'd hear them in the same places you'd hear the Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Xymox, etc. Later examples of the genre could be seen in Hate Dept., Spahn Ranch, Cubanate, and 16 volt in the 90s, and after that, bands like Covenant and VNV Nation in the 2000s.
"the revolution will not be televized"
BELGIAN!! ITS BELGIAN
Just closed a weekend where we had Underviewer and a Front242 DJset by Patrick Codenys in our OFF week event. It was insane - both the music and the vibe on the dancefloor! DAF was also part ot the OMBRA line up year some years ago - still buzzing on the memories. And we have some surprises coming for the 2023 edition ⚠hope to see you on the dancefloor!
Omar's Ombra set on soundcloud brought me here. He's doing it right
Love the doc, great work.
But you killed me with the shot at Iron Maiden as "juvenile fantasy" 😵 I feel like they're cut above that.
I really think liaisons dangereuse deserves to be mentioned…
I didn't know we had misplaced EBM...
Great video and channel!! You get another suscriber!!! Thanx!!!
Thank you so much 🙏🏻
Nice video, man. I won't be surprised if your channel ever gonna blow up someday.
Thank you so much for the kind words! And I hope so soon as well!!!
I learned about this music watching The Some Bizarre Show on Night Flight in the 80's. I never knew what to call it. It wasn't punk, wasn't new wave, wasn't synthpop, wasn't metal...but it was kind of all of them. I settled on 'Industrial', which seemed to mostly fit. I didn't hear the term 'EBM' until decades later. I still haven't figured out where the crossover occurred between EBM and House.
IM GETTING MAD, EBM WAS BORN IN BELGIUM TOGETHER WITH NEW BEAT
Lots of EBM stuff out there. New creators keep it going.
I discovered EBM in very early 90s. And still like a lot of the music still today: KMFDM etc.
Had friends into all these bands, never knew the name for it.
Yeah man! One of those cool genres that a lot of people know but don’t know the name to!
Interesting stuff, I'll always enjoy explorations into uncommon music cultures so keep it up!
Thank you so much!! glad you enjoyed it, it really is a unique significant genre
Is just was at a downtempo techno rave and the closing dj played lot of EBM Stuff. I recently added joining the chant to my sets. it just wants to make your body dance.
I was blessed enough to grow up in Houston Texas, where we have a bar that still open a nightclub with fantastic lights called numbers!
In the mid-80s they were playing all that stuff, Belgium, Germany, Kraftwerk all that stuff numbers, steel rocks, 48 years in the business
This is a strech but I'd argue Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation had an EBM influence...
bravo, belle analyse. Thank you, clever point of view.
If you know where to look EBM is still pretty big in Sweden :)
Great concise video packed with interesting information. You really took time to think this through and choose your words and descriptions accurately. I remember way back, I was into Front 242, NIN and some other bands, but NIN just seemed to venture into the rock - and that was a huge turn-off as many of us back then were SICK of guitars & drums. Also, the music was ALL so very very DARK. (shall I say even satanic) I couldn't imagine why some bands didn't venture off into a lighter shade of black every once in a while, it just got too dismal pounding pounding darkness. Maybe there were some, but I must have missed them. Variety is the spice of life.
Skinny Puppy's album "Rabies" was also very much an EBM album
i'm house head,just came to local gigs in my hometown,why it's sound familiar, something like techno made in berlin ,they have the acid & techno bassdrum too,but the performer act like punk/skinhead *same haircut like the guy in 8:30 who is that? ,amaze that how could i dance to this music, dark ,energetic harsh synth ,love it
I used to listen to DAF and Der Plan in the 80's and my friends thought I was Nuts....Just discovered this video and subscribed !
Wow I just watched your toxic video and now you happening to be covering one of my favorite genres. Nice.
Awesome man so glad to hear! Glad to have you along for the ride!
Muito bom!! O EBM é o meu estilo favorito de música !
Obrigado!
Love EBM, still do to up this day❤
You seriously put effort into hitting the mark (so to speak). I saw my first Skinny Puppy concert in 1985. Just wondering why you did not mention that influence on NIN?
I wouldn't say EBM is dead.
It just morphed into sever other more well defined genres.
Best example, Aethetic Perfection and APOP are technically categorized as EBM, but would you put it in the same EBM as Front 242?
You got a lot of things wrong, my friend. Most of it is pointed out below (e.g. the origin of EBM). Front 242 coined it.
Also, and this is important, when most, if not all of, these bands started out, there wasn't a particular genre for this. Everything went under Alternative music. The particular tags came much later with the only caveat that Throbbing Gristle was an Industrial art movement and also referenced that.
NIN might have the biggest fan movement, but BY FAR they've had the least influence on industrial music. Nothing in comparison to Ministry, Front242 or Laibach. More experimental groups such as Einsturzende Neubauten or the Klinik also inspired much much more artist as well.
And I wouldn't say EBM is dead. It has just evolved. First into Techno and House and therefor you could say that all electronic dance music today owes to the early synth based groups and artists.
Nice little intro to the genre, it definitely has a lot of influence and I feel like a lot of people lump some of these artists in with industrial as there is some crossover, too bad there's no audio examples. I was lucky to find this music while the genre was still being produced, in the late 80s and early 90s, mostly from the influence of friends from the local dial up BBS scene in Milwaukee so there's some great memories tied in with it.
Thank you so much and totally agree! Would've loved to put some of the music of the genre unfortunately copyright is what it is on youtube! But yes I think it is a distinct genre away from industrial, specifically the rock influence is what really separates it out. Glad you have such great memories associated with the genre!
Also in Milwaukee! and actually going to see A Split-Second in Chicago during the cold waves fest Sept 28th!
Hats off for you to do this! Seeing a "new" youtuber talking about a genre this old
I know this is impossible. But can you try to make Aggrotech (sub genre to EBM)
El "ebm" se forja y nace del EDM Concreto de Giorgio Moroder y los géneros matrices y primarios de esta escena electronica: el NRG, Synthpop y Electro (EDM Concreto 1ra Etapa / 1977-1980).
Las bases del EDM que forja el "ebm" nace de las líneas y bases de los productores y máximos desarrolladores de la Electronica Post Concreta, Moog, Experimental & Soundtrack de los 70s: Moroder, Jarre, Lacksman, Tangerine Dreams, YMO, Schulze, Vangelis, Faltermeyer, Tonet, Gizzi, Pinhas, Martin W. & Ian C...(solo por mencionar los mas relevantes).
Quien les ha dicho que la base electronica primaria de la "ebm" se forja del Progressive Rock & Krautrock Alemán de Kraftwerk?...estamos hablando de "ebm" o de Post Punk? 😂
Really enjoyed this video! I prefer EBSM (electronic body synth music) myself, which is a really fun subgenre of EBM. I recommend checking some of it out if you can!
The idea of EBSM is basically taking EBM and putting even more synth into it. It's kinda hard to describe beyond that (I don't have your way with words lmao) but I really enjoy it.
"Wait, one letter seems to be off..."
Yeah, I was just about to call you on that. Common mistake
(Unpauses video)
What is the music in the background, please?
EBM has evolved.
On that note Boy harsher is more EBM than most.
It’s weird - I was really into Nitzer Ebb, Front242, Meat Beat Manifesto, DAF, Borghesia alongside Kraftwerk etc because they were NOT rock and I was always into electronic music. I got into acid house, techno when the rave scene kicked off but still listened to all kinds of music, so I never really got how many of these bands moved into the goth rock or a metal direction I didn’t get the connection. Eg Nitzer Ebb always sounded and were very much in my mind inspired by early house, disco and funk for example listen to ‘Divine - Native Love’ next to Nitzer Ebbs - Murderous and it’s a pretty clear link. It’s cool though, not really my cup of tea but I like RevCo and can appreciate what these later bands did.
EBM is still alive and well
Kraftwerk called it EBM first. But yes DAF played a huge part for the movement for sure.
This video essay is gold, gold, gold, gold, fire, fire, fire!
Ebm isn't lost nor forgotten just have to know the bands to know it I've been a fan of Tons of music since 92 or 93 so I'm always exploring new and old stuff
Um...EBM is a lost genre now?
Clicked bc i saw DAF. One of those bands thats actually a good German band, especially for that time with Neue Deutsche Welle.
Was never lost
Not including Portion Control is a massive absence.
Good effort and I know I came late but 3 years after it’s fair to say EBM is not dead - it morphed, evolved and mutated. Just take a look around, research and listen. You’ll be surprised.
awesome video
What the hell is a Jupiter Juno 8?
EBM are still much alive... 🍻
Early Kraftwerk is Krautrock Check it out!
Nitzer Ebb is pronounced N-AI-tsa Ebb. In the 80s, McCarthy was asked by a German interviewer about the pronounciation of that name. The I is spoken like Eye.
The individual members of the band disagree on it.
Still a big movement in sweden and germany ❤
Europe will always be based.
nice thank you
Lost genre?? You nuts?? Only an American to say that...
Why do you call them two forty-two? Two....Four.... Two... and they are not lost Genres. They have like 4 new songs and are still touring.
Correct: In german: Zwei - Vier - Zwei
Spot on !
Front 242 the best band ever!!
Death Grips is a duo now?
And dont forget New Beat from Belgium and Germany 1987 😉😉😉😉😊😊😊😊
EBM rules!
Clearly how conscious you were of this music / genre depended largely on your age, where you grew up / lived when it was most active and influential, if you were a drug user... if you were a clubber... if you were a DJ... etc. I happened to grow up in Houston, TX in the 70's and 80's--which has a VERY vibrant club / dance music culture and scene (surprisingly). Did you have to look for it? Definitely. They weren't playin' no EBM on the radio stations there... only hard rock (now called "classic" rock, pop, country, and r&b. It was kind of a weird moment in time because I grew up kind of the "country"--on the edge of Houston--which is now deeply suburban. I had a horse. I had a cow. I had ducks. I had rabbits. I had a pet possum. And I also had a friend who was gay and into clubbing and club drugs LONG before he was old enough to enter / imbibe legally. And he kind of indoctrinated me (and our entire clique) into that underground club scene (in the early to mid 80's). He was also the main weed dealer in school (he had an uncle that lived down along the TX / Mexico border who would bring up pounds of weed and leave them with him to sell.) So he could also get things like coke and x and meth and acid... which we all experimented with pretty young. Ultimately those experiences got me into dance / club music... got me buying 12" singles and hanging out in the hip downtown Houston record stores, sneaking into dance clubs with my older brother's drivers license, doing ecstasy--DEALING ecstasy--working in clubs, spinning records, running lights, seeing some of these bands when they were just starting out / touring (like Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, NIN, etc). But I meet people my age all the time--from all over the US and the world--who have never ever heard of most of these EBM / Industrial groups / songs... or are only vaguely familiar with one or two songs.
Symbology...please tell me this was a reference.
I cringe every time he says
front 2 FOURTY 2. It’s 2. 4. 2
'cause he's not a stomper and has no idea, what's EBM...
EBM is still alive. Come to Germany
EBM!!! AND ONE IS STILL THE BEST
EBM is still alive in the USA: Boy Harsher, Pixel Grip, Perturbator, HEALTH, Xibling
These bands aren't EBM. They are Cold Wave, Dark Wave… but not EBM. The EBM is very different and actually are a few bands that really doing EBM. You must listen to Front 242 (until 1991), Nitzer Ebb (until 1990), the old Leæther Strip (until 1993), the old Front Line Assembly (until 1992), the old X Marks The Pedwalk (until 1993), Orange Sector, Pouppée Fabrikk, Signal Aout 42, Ionic Vision… these bands and similar are EBM.
@@roger24 Actual EBM hasn’t died. You just need to search. Look at all the festivals in Europe.
@@SoporVK Thank you very much, but I live in Europe and I know many bands from the 80's until now. I've been a fan of EBM since 1986, (and of the Techno, New Beat and Dark Wave scene) and I was also a DJ in the late 80's and early 90's. Here in my country, Valencia was one of the most emblematic places of the 80's European scene in underground clubs and pubs in many cities.
Currently I do my DJ sets monthly and publish them on Mixcloud, usually with current music (EBM, Electro Industrial, Dark Electro, Industrial Techno, Nu New Beat, Synthpop…).
The problem is that a lot of people label EBM music that isn't, like Future Pop, Aggrotech, Hellektro, HarshEBM, Cold Wave, Post-Punk, etc.
In recent years some new and legendary EBM bands put out some releases but on the other hand many bands disappeared. Other projects are really shoddy or more Electro-Punk than EBM, with the typical alcohol or muscle and steel themes. But some have good quality.
Lately I'm a big fan of bands like Atropine, Fix8:Sed8, Black Agent, Conformco, First Aid 4 Souls… but they're Electro Industrial in the way of Skinny Puppy, not EBM.
@@roger24 Spetsnaz
@@tanz5389 Tension Control, Agrezzior, NordarR, Lucifer's Aid, Amnistia, Akalotz, Combat Company, Framework, Conformco…
Love 242
Gabi and Rob are certified gays as well as many more prominent World Stars! I had to pause your vid just to make clear that this thing feeds into so much more!
Ebm is still the sht. And it really started in Belgium