Those Great Locomotives - WDs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- With over 1000 locomotives built, the Ministry of Supply locomotives with their various nicknames were the backbone of wartime freight services in the United Kingdom, mainland Europe, and even the Middle East. But were they better of maintained, or pushed into the sea, like their designer recommended?
SOURCES & CREDIT:
Picture of NS Class 5000 (thumbnail) - 151460 / collectie Het Utrechts Archief
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Picture of Austerity 90733 by Andrew Hastie - Public Domain
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Picture of LMR 'Gordon' - / 1
Picture of 90775 'The North Norfolk Regiment' - www.nnrailway....
Picture of Kowloon-Canton Railway ex-WD - Public Domain
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Picture of the plaque commemorating the Soham Rail Disaster - Tiger, CC BY-SA 2.0
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Picture of memorial of the Soham Rail Disaster - Bob Jones, CC BY-SA 2.0
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Footage of NS Class 5000 on a passenger working - van den Burg Beeldproduties
Footage and images not marked with distinction of ownership are my own work.
Website sources:
www.lner.info/...
Literary sources:
'British Locomotive Classes' by Brian Reed
'The Observer's Book Of Railway Locomotives Of Britain' revised version by H. C. Casserley
Video/Film sources:
'Decades of Steam - 1940s' by Ian Allan
'LNER - Then And Now' by Ian Allan
Copyright Disclaimer under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research.
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Bit of a minor error there, the WD 2-8-0 is not the most produced British Steam Locomotive. They're in a very close second place. The LNWR DX Goods Class beat them by 8. 935 WD 2-8-0s, 943 LNWR DX Goods.
The DXs have no surviving members due to them being all withdrawn before preservation became popular. They have some interesting history that could make a cool TGL episode in my opinion. For example, the LNWR selling 86 DXs to the L&YR scared independent locomotive manufacturers greatly, enough that they went to get an injunction to stop the LNWR from selling them. Said injunction was granted.
Wikipedia articles for both engines
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_Austerity_2-8-0
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNWR_DX_Goods_class
I counted both the WD types as "The most produced locomotives" when I mentioned them 47 seconds in. I must have stupidly tallied the 2-10-0s as *'the* WDs' again 5 minutes in.
@@FlyingScott
If the WD 2-8-0s had started production earlier, they likely could have surpassed 943. It'd likely mean less LMS 8Fs being built, though.
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Might have been the case, but I am still wrong in calling the 2-8-0s specifically the most produced.
@@FlyingScott On the topic of the Sohan Railway Disaster, I suggest checking out the pictures of the accident. It really demonstrates the hard work put in by the allies to reopen that section of line in less than 24 hours.
It's easy to find via google images.
I would certainly like to head a history of the DX Goods as what little I have heard of them up to now has been basically nothing but bad; I've heard them unfavorably compared to the Liberty Ships of WWII, an outdated design built simply and cheaply in their thousands because nobody expected them to last very long. Another comparison has been to the Super D's, with the same awkward LNWR controls, half of which were backwards from how every other company designed their engines thus making them a pig to drive, but with none of the G2 Class' pulling power. In essence, the only reason they were built in such great numbers was because the LNWR had a pathological "good enough" policy, rarely striving for perfection in any way, and none survived into preservation because by the time that movement got started they were all worn out or had fallen apart.
For visuals, a model has been included in the SteamSoundsSupreme "Stainmore, Shap, & Eden Valley" route, though it was meant for AI traffic only and thus lacks many details, not even having smoke emitter points. I understand that Kris Wilson of Caledonia Works intends to make a full fledged version at some point, but I could not say when.
Woofer Donks is probably the best nickname due to it's double-meaing. Not only does it ring true for how they must've sounded most days, but it's a perfect play on their WD classifcation
Looks like someone also watches Hyce
The North Norfolk Railway is my local heritage railway ☺️ I’ve had many rides behind 90775!
What kind of lubricating oil do the WD Austerity locomotives like?
WD-40!
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I’ll see myself out.
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MMMMMM THAT WAS A GOOD ONE
lol
You might consider covering the USATC S160s at some point.
Really enjoyed this video, I've always loved the WD classes and I learned quite bit from this!
Your pronounciation of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or Dutch words at all is incredibly good! It's just how a normal Dutch person would!!
It's like you are Dutch, so good is your pronounciation
Zal ik jou eens wat vertellen...
@@FlyingScott du spreken nederlands
I can remember the dub d 280s running at Hornsey back in the late 50s they used to pull coal trains down from Nottinghamshire along with the Standard 9Fs
My understanding is that the dub d 2 10 0s only an in Scotland.
Another common site at Hornsey was the Austerity J94 saddle tanks which the LNER also bought many of.
The George Cross is the highest award for gallantry awarded to civilians.
Great video! One mistake: the NS 4300s drove until the end of steam in the Netherlands, wikipedia says until 1952 but there are various pictures of them driving until 1957. Fun fact: the NS 4300 was the last steam locomotive in the Netherlands to be overhauled in 1956
Did not know that, hadn't picked up on it in Railhobby's issue about the Austerities either.
Your fun fact is actually incorrect. The last one to be overhauled by NS seems to be Efteling Stoomtrein Maatschappij 'Moortje'. The fact is commemorated on a plaque on the locomotive.
@@FlyingScott ah yes you're right, but that wasn't a NS locomotive. The loc is from the Efteling and only overhauled in the NS workshop. Actually NS 3737 is also overhauled bij the NS in 1996, but that was also an exception. The Austerity is the last one to be 'normally' overhauled for normal passenger/goods transport.
somehow i have a soft spot for Euro Wartime locomotives, my fave being the BR52
I watched this video during a music lesson at college I hate so this was great
8:44 not sure why you said “now named” given the fact its been named that since 1952.
(I do get that to produce a 10 minute documentary on a couple of random steam locos you have to miss out some stuff and you will get stuff wrong, and I understand believing a large blue locomotive being unironically named Gordon hard to believe)
I can't wait for the lner P2 I like the design a lot
i would recon doing a video on the Vr TK3's form finland, it would make for a bit of a different vids imo. :)
locomotives the greatest thing ever....
Oh look at that I'm early...
Incert audience pleaseing name here (Best list part of this video): Ugly ducking, Bread box and coffee pots for a few
Can you possibly cover the PRR ps-4 4-4-0 engines at some point? I rarely see too much about the early PRR locomotives and this would be an interesting look into early motive power of a legendary railroad.
If I can find proper material about them which I can comprehend, I'll note them in the "to-do" list!
Thank you!
here are some big ol wartime locomotive the Pennsylvania Railroad J1a and the Union Pacific Railroad 4000 class (AKA the Big boys)
Great video Scott! Loved it
I agree
Not sure if you still take episode request but it'd be neat if you talked about those Schenectady built 2-6-0's that were in the UK in 1897 (forgot what they were called or what railway they for for). That could be a good lead way into an episode about the other famous US built British Locomotives, the S160 and S100. Those US Moguls actually got popular enough in the UK for their time that it lead to the adopting of the 2-6-0 type among most UK railways.
The Midland/Great Northern Yankees were indeed on my list, might turn it into one of them mini episodes. As for covering the S100s and S160s, might I suggest taking a look at Chris Eden Green's website? 15 to 20 minute documentaries for just 2 pounds a pop.
Another Loco are you ever going to do the LMS black 5
You mentioned inserting nicknames for the Q1, so ok, how about "Breadvan"? This was a fairly common nickname for them and they do look like a 1940's forward control breadvan!
I think the GWR King should come next, most powerful engine of all time for a while
never mind the gamour A4s these engine were works house and could real pull hard
Since you did this, can you review the usatc s160?
I've been trying to find this video for so long, forgot what the locos were called 😅
Wait wait, during the video when you mentioned a WD was traded for the USATC loco, does that mean it was traded to America? Or just another British Railway that had a USATC?
posted on my 2021 birthday huh?
Great video. Just wanted to say that these locomotives were also used for creating the JŽ (Yugoslav railways) class 38 Liberation class. Which were used for heavy freight traffic in Yugoslavia. These WD locomotives were so great that they were used in a Socialist country.
my guess as to why war time designs "kick so much buttocks" is because they sacrafice style for pure functionality. As in a time of need and dire emergency, the focus is on raw performance rather than attracting customers. Because that one extra wagon could mean the difference between defeat and victory in the wartime mindset.
Wait what about the austerity WD 75196?
So Big Bertha (Midland Railway number 2290) built in 1919 with an 0-10-0 wheelbase doesn't count? I suppose a class of 1 locomotives isn't much of a class.
The single GER's Decapod or more formally the Class A55 suburban tank engine of 1902, the UK's first locomotive of the 0-10-0 wheel arrangement won't count either as there was only one of them and after less a year of trial runs in which it proved it could do what it was designed to do it was withdrawn only to re-emerge as an 0-8-0 tender engine. It was hamstrung by small coal bunker and water tanks. And whilst in had annaxle load of less than 17 tons its weight per foot of length would have required significant strengthening of bridges on the routes out of Luverpool Street.
No, WD 2-10-0s were the 3rd class with ten coupled driving wheels, butnwerenthe first with a leading pony truck.
My source, 'British Locomotive Classes; Principal Big Four Locomotive Classes As At 1945' does say Big Bertha and the Decapod were the first ten coupled engines, but it does then state that the Large Woofers were the first ten-coupled "Class to work in the British Isles". So it too doesn't count one-offs as a class.
@@FlyingScott both Big Bertha and the Decapod worked in the UK, and a class of 1 is still a class. Your source's title sets out why it has ignored these 2.
Are you ever going to do a tank engine
The audience pleasing nickname I perfer for the Q1s is Neville
So.................
I know that S160 is an American engine they were shipped to Britian that’s all I know
Would you do the lner raven a2 and lner v4
Daddy what's a train
4:19 are you fr NS Loco With British wagons... illegal
Uhhh... On loan!!1!1!1
as a someone who is very familar with american steam i say until it has a cowcatcher headlight bell massive tender and 2 huge cylinders it won't look american
There are loads of American locomotives without cowcatchers, take the Pennsy 'Decapods' for instance. Also, yes, some of the 2-10-0s were built with headlights.
@@FlyingScott actully all american locos that don't have cowcatcher were banned from most routes and had a bar that hung and stopped things from going under the wheels
They must got really desperate for names have been named one a Thomas character
Oh no no, 'Gordon' refers to General Charles Gordon. The idea of a train named "Gordon" isn't a TTTE exclusive thing.
@@FlyingScott ooooohhhhh that makes more sense thank God though that looks nothing like an A1
ANY outro with the horrors of bagpipes is going to be obnoxious.
i suppose no one's done it yet so ill make the joke
Gaster's favorite locomotive
you can call me cringe now