The XR2 Mk2 was a great car, the early versions 84-86 were noticeably faster than the later one's - something to do with emissions. I think you summed it up nicely, the XR2 had soul.
I love and own a xr2. Even thou I haven't driven it for 5yrs to drive it now id feel a bit boy racer'ish .i prefer old fords as you don't see them much on the roads if you saw a old skool ford coming your way you'd look twice but if you saw a new ford you'd be board of seeing them as everyone has one.
jesus fucking christ, forget the cars , that boy has a face only his mother could love , and im sure even she struggles like fuck.
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I did the scariest 360 spin on the motorway when I was just a 17 year old kid in an XR2.. the car in front of me did an emergency stop in the fast lane for no reason! and I just pulled the steering to the side as I didnt have time to slow down to miss him and the car spun around a full 360 and I held it and carried on going in the right direction without stopping.. saved my life. Had a Fiesta RS Turbo in black that I really loved after that.
I liked this review. I also owned a Mk2 XR2 in my youth. I got mine into Car & Car Conversions around 1994. It had twin 40's on it, etc. Spent about £2,500 on it. Engine out, rebuild, top parts. It was quick for a Fezza and sounded awesome. Since that time, I've owned 2 Corvette's and a recent Mustang GT. Fast cars. But the most fun car I've ever owned is that Mk2 Fezza XR2. I'm considering buying this new ST. Hopefully within the next few months. It looks great, and good fun to me!
I grew up with an XR2 brilliant car and would still take it over a modern car mine was silver mrk 2, I bought mine as a write off and repaired it over 2 years while I was a student in collage in the 90s, lol while everyone was out getting laid there was me working and doing up my pride and joy, great memories, also agree I love manual steering racks they are tops.
If You say it's like that, than this kind of engine swap suddenly makes a lot of sense to me. I think those old Fiestas actually drive really well, and being feather-light weight, they are very fast in the corners. With more power, I imagine they could be great fun, like hot hatches in general. Cheers.
I should perhaps have made it clearer that most of the Fiestas I saw at the show were far from standard, very few just had a boggo 2.0 on standard injection, When the ST gets on a bit and it's engine starts to find it's way into the older Fiestas their weight advantage means that there's no way a lardy modern hot hatch will live with one. Don't underestimate how lightweight the older Fiestas are, a basic MK1 Fiesta was only 100 kg heavier than the original Austin Mini. Modern hatches are huge.
+CarDealerMagazine LOL! It did according to the tax checker here: www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax Glad it's still going though. Heading over to look at an '89 F reg myself this evening.
You don't upset the cars balance at all, a silvertop 2l with a steel block and alloy head is only 6 kilos heavier than the all steel crossflow so the weight distribution remains the same. Modern all alloy engines are even lighter than the old all steel ones. You don't end up with a nose heavy car at all.
Most MK1 and Mk2 Fiesta's these days have 2.0 engines out of a Focus in them and would leave a modern ST standing due to their light weight and no cat. I was at an old Fiesta show and 70% were zetec or zetec turbo.
The old 2.0 Focus engines developed 170bhp (ST170) and 130bhp (rest of the range) and weren't turbo charged. The Fiesta ST develops 180bhp and 200bhp at overboost, with 240NM of torque at 1500 rpm, so your comment is a lie mate, low weight is good for cornering, but from a standing start, power will always have the upper hand, unless its something daft like an Ariel Atom obviously. Doing engine swaps won't help the car's depreciation rate either.
XR2's need to be driven hard. I had only just started motorsport in the video I posted but I drove my road XR2 hard and it loved it. Cams could be changed in a few hours when they wore out and cost peanuts so no issue. I loved my XR2. People are spoilt with low end torque and driver aids these days. Closest thing to old hot hatches was the Clio 172 cup and even that's getting old now. No assistance, an N/A engine, low weight and a track or Suitable B road. Don't understand? Then you don't like cars and can't drive. New cars fast, capable and fun but in a totally different way.
ST to heavy to much electrics to go wrong, interior is very nice but adding touch weight for sure! look how dark it is in the St wheels are to big put pepper pots on it or same size15s think they have 17 or 18s my friends 05 ST WRC is the 2.0l with bluefin chip n cams and still a bucket! lol my other friend races the xr2i at knockhill and we've built 2 on 3rd now, the smrc challenge is the 85 xr2i standard tuning vs the ST 1.6 standard but alot are cheating replacing the cylinders with ones out 1.3 or a 1.3 bottom end with a 1.6 head for more combustion and they kick the sts arse these ones! we race in the red xr2i but you notice tell light blue one with all this mods done to it just kicks everything's arse on the track!
I think that's a very childish, top-gear induced way of thinking. It's true that those old fiestas can go very fast, but in a straight line. Upsetting the cars balance by swapping a big, powerful and heavy engine only helps you go fast on the straights. And that's nice for someone who can't drive, yet tries hard to amaze other people with his "awesomeness". In my coutry a lot of people swap 2 litre motors (C20XE) into old Corsas. The acceleration is phenomenal, but that's about it.
Thay didn't really test either car thay just drove round llandow circuit for a few laps and talked shit. YOU DON'T GO TO A TRACK AND DO A ROAD TEST FACT!!! You do a road test on the road and a track test on a track. Because a track is smooth and really sticky when compaired to a road so the car feels better than it ever will on the road.
is that Gail Platt off Coronation Street driving the car??
LOOOOL
The XR2 Mk2 was a great car, the early versions 84-86 were noticeably faster than the later one's - something to do with emissions. I think you summed it up nicely, the XR2 had soul.
the earlier ones had a bigger weber carb
I love and own a xr2. Even thou I haven't driven it for 5yrs to drive it now id feel a bit boy racer'ish .i prefer old fords as you don't see them much on the roads if you saw a old skool ford coming your way you'd look twice but if you saw a new ford you'd be board of seeing them as everyone has one.
i owned a silver mk1 and mk2 XR2's back in the day, great cars.. now i'm on the hunt for the st fiesta
Damn, I wish I lived in Europe... you guys have the best cars
jesus fucking christ, forget the cars , that boy has a face only his mother could love , and im sure even she struggles like fuck.
I did the scariest 360 spin on the motorway when I was just a 17 year old kid in an XR2.. the car in front of me did an emergency stop in the fast lane for no reason! and I just pulled the steering to the side as I didnt have time to slow down to miss him and the car spun around a full 360 and I held it and carried on going in the right direction without stopping.. saved my life. Had a Fiesta RS Turbo in black that I really loved after that.
I liked this review. I also owned a Mk2 XR2 in my youth. I got mine into Car & Car Conversions around 1994. It had twin 40's on it, etc. Spent about £2,500 on it. Engine out, rebuild, top parts. It was quick for a Fezza and sounded awesome. Since that time, I've owned 2 Corvette's and a recent Mustang GT. Fast cars. But the most fun car I've ever owned is that Mk2 Fezza XR2. I'm considering buying this new ST. Hopefully within the next few months. It looks great, and good fun to me!
That is one goofy looking dude.
The radio is fords sound 2000 radio that was also in the ghia models and was still avaliable in the mk3 in the 90's
I grew up with an XR2 brilliant car and would still take it over a modern car mine was silver mrk 2, I bought mine as a write off and repaired it over 2 years while I was a student in collage in the 90s, lol while everyone was out getting laid there was me working and doing up my pride and joy, great memories, also agree I love manual steering racks they are tops.
The guy who drove the xr2 looks like a right muppet. Does it sound good muppet.
Did the 2013 ST pump the engine noise into the cabin via the sound system? I know the XR2 didn’t.
If You say it's like that, than this kind of engine swap suddenly makes a lot of sense to me. I think those old Fiestas actually drive really well, and being feather-light weight, they are very fast in the corners. With more power, I imagine they could be great fun, like hot hatches in general. Cheers.
Have you two escaped from the hospital? What’s with the patient wristbands @4:26?
It's called class and professionalism.
who's the girl driving the XR2 and in the passenger of the ST?
I should perhaps have made it clearer that most of the Fiestas I saw at the show were far from standard, very few just had a boggo 2.0 on standard injection,
When the ST gets on a bit and it's engine starts to find it's way into the older Fiestas their weight advantage means that there's no way a lardy modern hot hatch will live with one. Don't underestimate how lightweight the older Fiestas are, a basic MK1 Fiesta was only 100 kg heavier than the original Austin Mini. Modern hatches are huge.
The MOT on that XR2 expired in August. Hope that doesn't mean it's off the road now.
+CarDealerMagazine LOL! It did according to the tax checker here: www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax
Glad it's still going though. Heading over to look at an '89 F reg myself this evening.
That's John the Emo
Perfect Review!
You don't upset the cars balance at all, a silvertop 2l with a steel block and alloy head is only 6 kilos heavier than the all steel crossflow so the weight distribution remains the same. Modern all alloy engines are even lighter than the old all steel ones. You don't end up with a nose heavy car at all.
Most MK1 and Mk2 Fiesta's these days have 2.0 engines out of a Focus in them and would leave a modern ST standing due to their light weight and no cat. I was at an old Fiesta show and 70% were zetec or zetec turbo.
Why would you compare them?
The old 2.0 Focus engines developed 170bhp (ST170) and 130bhp (rest of the range) and weren't turbo charged. The Fiesta ST develops 180bhp and 200bhp at overboost, with 240NM of torque at 1500 rpm, so your comment is a lie mate, low weight is good for cornering, but from a standing start, power will always have the upper hand, unless its something daft like an Ariel Atom obviously. Doing engine swaps won't help the car's depreciation rate either.
had an xr2 now got an st2 :)
Sid, is that you?
Couldn't agree more!
...and The Fiesta rs turbo ?!?!
two guy in fezzy 96bhp and 840kg ( now 980kg ? ) vs fezzy 182bhp... no way !
XR2's need to be driven hard. I had only just started motorsport in the video I posted but I drove my road XR2 hard and it loved it. Cams could be changed in a few hours when they wore out and cost peanuts so no issue. I loved my XR2. People are spoilt with low end torque and driver aids these days. Closest thing to old hot hatches was the Clio 172 cup and even that's getting old now. No assistance, an N/A engine, low weight and a track or Suitable B road. Don't understand? Then you don't like cars and can't drive. New cars fast, capable and fun but in a totally different way.
It's llandow been round there a few times in an xr2
Still don't get why there's no Jesus handles in the new fiesta...
Why didn't you let the kid drive the ST?
Im pretty sure thats his car, I think they were test driving each others.
this could have been a good vid but its not.
Comparing cars by the way they feel and make you feel instead of playing Top Trumps with 0-60 times and bhp figures? Well done. :-)
ST to heavy to much electrics to go wrong, interior is very nice but adding touch weight for sure! look how dark it is in the St wheels are to big put pepper pots on it or same size15s think they have 17 or 18s my friends 05 ST WRC is the 2.0l with bluefin chip n cams and still a bucket! lol my other friend races the xr2i at knockhill and we've built 2 on 3rd now, the smrc challenge is the 85 xr2i standard tuning vs the ST 1.6 standard but alot are cheating replacing the cylinders with ones out 1.3 or a 1.3 bottom end with a 1.6 head for more combustion and they kick the sts arse these ones! we race in the red xr2i but you notice tell light blue one with all this mods done to it just kicks everything's arse on the track!
Lovely once Mountuned though.
I think that's a very childish, top-gear induced way of thinking. It's true that those old fiestas can go very fast, but in a straight line. Upsetting the cars balance by swapping a big, powerful and heavy engine only helps you go fast on the straights. And that's nice for someone who can't drive, yet tries hard to amaze other people with his "awesomeness". In my coutry a lot of people swap 2 litre motors (C20XE) into old Corsas. The acceleration is phenomenal, but that's about it.
u can have fun at 40mph in 80`s cars,u need to double that speed in modern cars
Haha that passenger is hilarious.
don,t understand the review why not review the old fiesta rs v fiesta st
Give me mk1 xr2 any day
stick a turbo and intercooler on that xr2 and watch it piss over that ST
Thay didn't really test either car thay just drove round llandow circuit for a few laps and talked shit.
YOU DON'T GO TO A TRACK AND DO A ROAD TEST FACT!!!
You do a road test on the road and a track test on a track.
Because a track is smooth and really sticky when compaired to a road so the car feels better than it ever will on the road.
rather have a metro fitted with a 1.8vvc
who's that girl driving.
What damn geek have they got to drive lmao
What kind of car reviewer is John? Clearly an amateaur who lack enthusiasim and emotion!
Emo's can't review cars, and this vid proves it!
;)
Shhittt
TOTAL WASTE OF TIME RENTING LLANDOW CIRCUIT TO DO A ROAD TEST.
The last fiesta was the biggest pile of wank ever, slowest 2.0 n/a engine ever!
EXACTLY THE CAPRI WAS THE FIRST I HAD AN XR2 BORING CAR