Amen, great teaching. But it seemed you were making Romans 11:25 about the "time of the Gentiles," instead of the "fulness of the Gentiles." The fullness is in context of Romans 11:11-13. We are blessed today through Israel's fall, but how much more shall the gentiles be blessed through their (Israel's) fulness. Today, we are still in the fulness of the Gentiles.
There is more than one catching away in the Bible. Israel will be gathered into their land at the 2nd coming of Christ to the earth. The BOC will be caught up PRIOR to the 70th week. We are not appointed to the time of wrath. God Bless
@@salembaptist1501 false. There's only one catching up and it occurs after the tribulation. Wrath (the day of the Lord) occurs after the tribulation. Jesus said we would suffer PERSECUTION AND TRIBULATION. Jesus said he's returning after the tribulation in Matthew 24. This is when the dead in Christ and the alive and remaining are caught up when Jesus returns with his angels from heaven. This is the FIRST RESSURECTION. The second ressurection occurs after the millennial reign at the great white throne judgement for unbelievers. Why are you adding extra ressurections and extra returns of Jesus? Not good.
Please watch this video. It explains we are not subject to the wrath. Revelation 3:10 because you have kept my word about patient endurance I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world to try those who dwell on the earth. If you're on the earth The wrath will be for you. Isaiah 26:21 for behold the lord is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity and the earth will disclose the bloodshed on it and will know more cover it's slain. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 for God has not destined us for wrath but to obtain salvation through our lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 1.10 and to wait for his son from heaven whom he raised from the dead even Jesus who delivered us from the wrath to come. Romans 5:8 but god commendeth his love to water in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us much more than being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him. The wrath is only for the Jews who don't believe in Jesus, the wicked, and those that don't have 100% faith in Jesus Christ it's as simple as that. Hopefully the video explains itself to you
@robertboutin6232 You should study more and quit combining the things you're supposed to be rightly dividing between: Israel's doctrine from the Body of Christ Church doctrine. It will only leave you confused. That 1st resurrection of the dead in Rev 20:4 has no rapture, there is no alive and remaining, and there is no meeting the Lord in the air. In fact, no one is raised in that resurrection except those who died in faith during the Great Tribulation. It isn't even the judgment seat of Christ (which is only for the Body of Christ Church.
@@bugsocsollie1694 the second coming and the catching up are the same event. You're in complete error. The dead in Christ before the tribulation and during the tribulation haven't been ressurected yet at the FIRST RESSURECTION when Jesus returns with his angels. All believers wether Jew or Gentile have been referred to as saints all throughout scripture. You're in complete error
If the church is really the hope of the world how does it make any sense that whenever things get bad you take the good news away. The church always shines whenever people are in the most distress because we serve a wounded healer. We serve someone that knows what it's like to be in the darkness, to be in the suffering, to be in the pain, and to feel alone. If a tribulation was in the future then that would be the time when the church would shine the brightest so why take us out before then. One of the other reasons that this exploded over the past 190 years especially in the western world, especially in America, is because it turns into a theology that kind of serves us. I mean who wants to go through suffering and who wants to go through pain especially for your enemies. It's pretty convenient to say that before things get bad that the church will be taken out. Why say that the tribulation is still yet to come and that the Rapture will happen right before a future tribulation. How do you say that the tribulation is not here with a straight face to the underground church of China. How do you say that there's a future tribulation, just not a present one, to the Christians in Haiti, or to Christians in Iraq, Iran, or North Korea. How do you say with the straight face to the Coptic Christians who are being beheaded in Libya that tribulation is yet to come. It's a convenient theology when the worst persecution that you have is taking Merry Christmas away from the door greeters at Walmart. But the history of the world and of the church is one saturated with the blood of the martyrs. The tribulation has been raging since Jesus hung on a cross and there is not some future thing that allows us to be able to escape some suffering. The more that we are obedient to Christ, the more that suffering comes it kind of goes with the territory.
Re" your comment. I have a video that might be of interest to you. th-cam.com/video/3YuMvwJox28/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared When you are no longer a surface reader of the Bible & you have a true relationship with Christ you have an absolute understanding that Christ is our husband and we are the bride. What husband would put his bride through the wrath there is so much scripture in the Bible that tells you we are not subjected to the wrath. And if we were subjected to the wrath then it would make all these scriptures not true. We've had thousands of years of persecutions but the tribulation is not to be confused with tribulation the next 7 years, will be the worst Time on Earth. Hopefully you'll take a moment of time to watch the video.
It's Israel's 70th week. It's their time to shine as a light unto the Gentiles. That will be the 144,000 and the Great multitude will be those who come to Christ through them, Israel. Today, they are still blinded until this Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles is over. Romans 11:25. Then God calls out to them again, to 144,000 of them. It's their prophecy, not ours.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Its so assuring to know that there are so many folks like you who haven't a clue about they are talking about. All of Daniel's prophecies were fulfilled in Christ. The Jews served God's purpose in bringing Christ to fulfill all of the OT prophecies completely. The Jews who reject Christ then and now are lost. If they become Christians then they are grafted onto the tree just as all others now are who become Christians as Romans 11:13-26 describes. The Jews are still deluded about a physical kingdom which was never meant to be since Christ established a spiritual kingdom as prophesied by Daniel and others. The 144,000 is symbolic of the church from both the old and the new dispensations. If you like science fiction then stick with what you believe. If you think you're up to something more substantial then check out the amillennial side. But that might be to boring for you. John 8:44 goes well with what you are following where it says: "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
Amen, great teaching. But it seemed you were making Romans 11:25 about the "time of the Gentiles," instead of the "fulness of the Gentiles." The fullness is in context of Romans 11:11-13. We are blessed today through Israel's fall, but how much more shall the gentiles be blessed through their (Israel's) fulness. Today, we are still in the fulness of the Gentiles.
Saints are caught up after the tribulation. Prepare to endure or be martyred for your faith like the Bible clearly teaches.
There is more than one catching away in the Bible. Israel will be gathered into their land at the 2nd coming of Christ to the earth. The BOC will be caught up PRIOR to the 70th week. We are not appointed to the time of wrath. God Bless
@@salembaptist1501 false. There's only one catching up and it occurs after the tribulation. Wrath (the day of the Lord) occurs after the tribulation. Jesus said we would suffer PERSECUTION AND TRIBULATION. Jesus said he's returning after the tribulation in Matthew 24. This is when the dead in Christ and the alive and remaining are caught up when Jesus returns with his angels from heaven. This is the FIRST RESSURECTION. The second ressurection occurs after the millennial reign at the great white throne judgement for unbelievers. Why are you adding extra ressurections and extra returns of Jesus? Not good.
Please watch this video. It explains we are not subject to the wrath. Revelation 3:10 because you have kept my word about patient endurance I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world to try those who dwell on the earth. If you're on the earth The wrath will be for you. Isaiah 26:21 for behold the lord is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity and the earth will disclose the bloodshed on it and will know more cover it's slain. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 for God has not destined us for wrath but to obtain salvation through our lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 1.10 and to wait for his son from heaven whom he raised from the dead even Jesus who delivered us from the wrath to come. Romans 5:8 but god commendeth his love to water in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us much more than being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him. The wrath is only for the Jews who don't believe in Jesus, the wicked, and those that don't have 100% faith in Jesus Christ it's as simple as that. Hopefully the video explains itself to you
@robertboutin6232 You should study more and quit combining the things you're supposed to be rightly dividing between: Israel's doctrine from the Body of Christ Church doctrine. It will only leave you confused. That 1st resurrection of the dead in Rev 20:4 has no rapture, there is no alive and remaining, and there is no meeting the Lord in the air. In fact, no one is raised in that resurrection except those who died in faith during the Great Tribulation. It isn't even the judgment seat of Christ (which is only for the Body of Christ Church.
@@bugsocsollie1694 the second coming and the catching up are the same event. You're in complete error. The dead in Christ before the tribulation and during the tribulation haven't been ressurected yet at the FIRST RESSURECTION when Jesus returns with his angels. All believers wether Jew or Gentile have been referred to as saints all throughout scripture. You're in complete error
If the church is really the hope of the world how does it make any sense that whenever things get bad you take the good news away. The church always shines whenever people are in the most distress because we serve a wounded healer. We serve someone that knows what it's like to be in the darkness, to be in the suffering, to be in the pain, and to feel alone. If a tribulation was in the future then that would be the time when the church would shine the brightest so why take us out before then. One of the other reasons that this exploded over the past 190 years especially in the western world, especially in America, is because it turns into a theology that kind of serves us. I mean who wants to go through suffering and who wants to go through pain especially for your enemies. It's pretty convenient to say that before things get bad that the church will be taken out. Why say that the tribulation is still yet to come and that the Rapture will happen right before a future tribulation. How do you say that the tribulation is not here with a straight face to the underground church of China. How do you say that there's a future tribulation, just not a present one, to the Christians in Haiti, or to Christians in Iraq, Iran, or North Korea. How do you say with the straight face to the Coptic Christians who are being beheaded in Libya that tribulation is yet to come. It's a convenient theology when the worst persecution that you have is taking Merry Christmas away from the door greeters at Walmart. But the history of the world and of the church is one saturated with the blood of the martyrs. The tribulation has been raging since Jesus hung on a cross and there is not some future thing that allows us to be able to escape some suffering. The more that we are obedient to Christ, the more that suffering comes it kind of goes with the territory.
Re" your comment. I have a video that might be of interest to you. th-cam.com/video/3YuMvwJox28/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
When you are no longer a surface reader of the Bible & you have a true relationship with Christ you have an absolute understanding that Christ is our husband and we are the bride. What husband would put his bride through the wrath there is so much scripture in the Bible that tells you we are not subjected to the wrath. And if we were subjected to the wrath then it would make all these scriptures not true. We've had thousands of years of persecutions but the tribulation is not to be confused with tribulation the next 7 years, will be the worst Time on Earth. Hopefully you'll take a moment of time to watch the video.
It's Israel's 70th week. It's their time to shine as a light unto the Gentiles. That will be the 144,000 and the Great multitude will be those who come to Christ through them, Israel. Today, they are still blinded until this Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles is over. Romans 11:25. Then God calls out to them again, to 144,000 of them. It's their prophecy, not ours.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Its so assuring to know that there are so many folks like you who haven't a clue about they are talking about. All of Daniel's prophecies were fulfilled in Christ. The Jews served God's purpose in bringing Christ to fulfill all of the OT prophecies completely. The Jews who reject Christ then and now are lost. If they become Christians then they are grafted onto the tree just as all others now are who become Christians as Romans 11:13-26 describes. The Jews are still deluded about a physical kingdom which was never meant to be since Christ established a spiritual kingdom as prophesied by Daniel and others. The 144,000 is symbolic of the church from both the old and the new dispensations. If you like science fiction then stick with what you believe. If you think you're up to something more substantial then check out the amillennial side. But that might be to boring for you. John 8:44 goes well with what you are following where it says: "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."