Of course! The Habitable Zone is adjustable by heat and luminosity and atmosphere. By the way, have we found ANY planet that isn't tidally locked besides Terra and her 8 friends?
@Alien of Sol 3 Just when I thought I knew it all. I sure didn't! Thank you. When I hear of the Glises and even Proxima; I hear tidally locked. It made me wonder was our solar system a one off with all planets not Tidally locked to Sol. That is scary about Mercury. I mean, other than the Earth, it is the most important planet in our system. I don't want that planet exploding. Mercury dies; so does the Earth.
@Alien of Sol 3 I saw a video that said if Mercury's orbit varied by one millimeter, it would destabilize the entire system as NO planet affects every other planet more than Mercury. Now, it seems that Mercury is slowly being burned to a crisp. How long before we lose resonance and swap orbits with Venus?
I remain hopefully optimistic, but you’re probably right, it probably is just radio interference of some kind. But the silver lining to that is like you said, it will help to refine the process of detecting alien signals in order to confidently rule out earth based interference.
Not sure how you can say its probably local human signal interference. The leaked info confirmed they performed a nod test with the dish. Which RULES OUT local interference.
I don't think it's an alien signal but the famous wow signal probably was, not to mention there are recent events I think could be also alien like that oumoamoa object
Very good! Thank you. If this was an "alien" transmission from Proxima that would have enormous implications. Not only would it confirm intelligent life "out there" but that such life must be common and widely spread as: 1) Otherwise what would be the chances of "alien intelligence" existing at the star nearest to us? 2) Red dwarfs are by far the most common stars in our galaxy but as far as we can work out are bad candidates for life... ...of course Proxima's proximity to Alpha Centauri A & B when considered in the light of the technology required to broadcast such a signal, if true, might invalidate any consideration for the habitability of red dwarf star systems. Sadly when one compares the staggering number of highly unlikely circumstances that got us to where we are and compare that to our guesses as to how many star systems there are my best guess is that we are functionally alone in the universe and even the most simple organisms my well be vanishingly rare... ...that's not to say we shouldn't look as finding anything would be amazingly exciting and all estimates for how populated or not the universe may be are bsed on insufficient data.
I beleive red dwarf flare stars are capable of sustaining life. Especially if there is an ice covered ocean planet. Just because our life didnt need to evolve to handle flares, so it didnt.
Funny how this story kind of disappeared. Especially since it was found by 'mistake' by an intern and leaked to the press. And then a published report that was supposed to be due in april was never forthcoming. Hmmm
9:41 As far as my understanding goes, the main perturbation for Molniya satellites is a nodal precession where the orbit "cones" about the poles, and not an apsidal precession as you hypothesise. Other sources that could cause apsidal precession like solar/lunar tides and radiation pressure are also quite unlikely considering how inclined Molniya orbits are to both the ecliptic and the lunar orbital plane. As such I feel pretty safe assuming it cannot be a Molniya satellite
Great work on this exciting signal Christian, I’ve been tuning in to all the channels that have given it a run and yours is right up there with the best.
The transmission power is one of the points about radio signals(fermi paradox) from other stars that always bugged me. For Proxima Centauri with a much bigger antenna you would still need an radio emitter in the megawatt range to even come close to the signal strength we receive from the Voyager probes. Even Arecibo would have had it's problems to pick up unintentional signals from Stars much further than 4 light years.
So, Proxima's 4.2 light years distant. Did we do anything spectacularly visible in the EM spectrum 8.4 years ago? Like, if somebody thinks this is an answer, what question did we ask? Or if somebody thinks this is a dial tone, how'd the provider know we'd picked up the phone?
Excellent work, sir. New sub. I for one don't need confirmation of ETs as it seems to be a mathematical certainty. However, it would be cool (to say the least) to confirm something or some beings this close to earth.
I agree. I always think with how big the universe is, how in the heck can we be alone. Then again, maybe we are the first beings in this universe, and whoever designed us, is just sitting back watching us mess everything up
@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan or maybe not, its just what we consider as intelligent. maybe the univers roams of intelligent life but they have the same boundaries as we do, or they are smart enough for not interact with us/others
Yes, I have been discussing the possibility of putting radio and optical telescopes on the far side of the moon for many years now. Of course first we have to set up a moon base and agree to regulate activities on the moon so as to maximize the usefulness of those instruments. Not holding my breath, considering all the competing interest groups now exploring in the moon!
Yep, there would have to be some international agreement to preserve radio quiet zones on the lunar far side. It's not impossible but it will be tricky.
Love your videos. This is the most likely suspect for the signal's source I've read: "Being a precise base ten integer suggests it is human derived. 982.000 MHz is the second harmonic of 491.000 MHz, which is the center of Channel 17, UHF Television. It is probably the local oscillator of a broadcast TV tower. Harmonics can be easily generated by any nonlinear process, such as amplifiers or even a rusty contact." - mrtnmcc at ycombinator
@@LaunchPadAstronomy Not sure how that would work though, i mean, most TV broadcast towers aren't 63 degrees up in the sky last time i checked, and it's oddly convenient that it originated from a region near Proxima Centauri of all places. Then again, i'm not a radio telescope technician, so what do i know.
Maybe they find some way a relatively local signal can bounce around the antenna looking like it came from Proxima? SETI Institute picked up a signal in 1997 they thought might be genuine (it passed the nodding test) for a few hours but it turned out to be the SOHO satellite.
So, about placing radio telescopes on the moon, couldn't you theoretically build something like Arecibo in a crater, but make the entire dish so that you can rotate it to the sides? Sure, you couldn't bring it down to the horizon (without tremendous effort anyway) but you could at least point it to an extent.
@@LaunchPadAstronomy I know, i was just wondering that. I mean, theoretically, with the moons low gravity, if you rested the telescope at the bottom of a crater, couldn't you shift the dish if it was a solid structure? It wouldn't have the same coverage as, say, Parkes, but being able to aim it at all is superior to most of the really big designs proposed, though of course, you'd need to protect the gears from the moon dust. Perhaps you could slightly magnetize the more sensitive parts to repel the moon dust though.
How are we supposed to find aliens when we still get fooled by microwave ovens? Maybe if we moved all these telescopes to the dark side of the Moon we wouldnt be able to keep using Earth interference as an excuse.
I agree that this was jumping the gun quite a bit. Its almost like the leak was done to create consensus, therefore making agreement fact. To stir up some interest in astronomy and let the imagination fly. Not enough there to convince me of anything. Another awesome video man, i can watch your videos exclusively and learn a tremendous amount! Great job! On a side note i’ve been anxious lately to ask you about Betelgeuse. There is moderate light pollution where i observe, but i can barely make out Betelgeuse. Some nights i cant see it all! I have observed that star (and others) my whole life. Has there been any new information about that red giant? My initial thoughts on Betelgeuse dimming was either dust between us, proven not the case, or the star was loosing its outer shell and turning into a white dwarf. Instead of a super nova event, which i think was originally predicted years back, and not occur for another hundred thousand years or so. Im perplexed and grasping at straws. Lol. Cant figure out what happened 642 yrs ago! Thanks again for another great video!
Well thanks, Kris I appreciate it! While I can only guess at the motive for the leak, it seems the BL folks are already saying they're pretty sure it's not an actual alien signal, so you share their skepticism :) As for Betelgeuse, it seems to be steadily returning to its normal brightness, so either there was dust or some kind of supercell event. Cheers!
When i re read what i wrote it sounds so terrible! Ugh i wish i was more eloquent. It sounds derogative. So glad you could understand without bias. Its gotta be my area and light pollution. Well that answers my question, thank you! Early evening it is pretty low in the sky early winter from Maine. And towards a small city. Thank you so much for enlightening me! I need to get out into the country more. Best regards-Kris. I think you have a live event tonight, cant wait!
Mormans in rural 1940s Utah looked to the sky & thought they saw the angel Moroni in flight till they read, "GOODYEAR TIRE CO." I hope this signal isn't such an Earthly disapointment.
Thank you for addressing this Christian and your video on telescopes on the moon was excellent and your video on using the sun on imaging exoplanets. Have a safe and happy new year and hopefully this turns out to be what we all hope it is👽🤣
The reason why it may have picked up 3 hours of this mysterious signal because there was a planet got right in front of the located star. Maybe, it could be 3 hours of alien entertainment.
But it appeared to be unmodulated, meaning that the signal didn't carry information. If it were something similar to a TV signal, you would see little changes in amplitude or little changes in frequency that encode the information.
My gut feeling is that the zoo hypothesis is real and we will come to learn that space-time warping craft are not only possible but visiting us already, probably for thousands of years
Is it possible to return the same signal to the same location with this radio disk? I like the idea of setting up a radio telescope on the moon. But it seems anything to do with the other side of the mood might recieve a negative response from NASA.
The message sender from the other side would require using the same patents of radio wave and fliw, plus at such distance the frequency will mimic at super fast foward data, to the point of adjusting it, it can't be understood. Light/particals will saturate its wave lenght at such distance.
Hey Christian! As always an interesting video regarding a very fitting subject to end 2020 with :D my curiousity was aroused when you briefley mensioned the filtering process of signals at around 8 minutes. If i may disturb you by asking you to please explain to me how on earth we filter signals and manage to get signals that actually are from space?
Hi @Ssmpsn, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. There are a couple of techniques for verifying the signal is coming from space, most of which can be filtered by computer algorithms. But even then there are still many signals that pass the automated filter that are still ruled out after human inspection. Cheers!
@@LaunchPadAstronomy ahh okay, soif i understand you correctly somehow by the properties of a signal it is possibel to deduce that it indeed did appear from space!
possible is that if theres intelligent life over there, they also receive earth broadcasts, maybe we receive one of them. its just thinking like a child but have anyone allready tried to convert the singal into audio or video?
Aircraft do not generate or broadcast ILS signals. The equipment on an aircraft for navigation is passive. Ils signals are broadcast by the airport in a very very tight beam. The ILS signal is then recieved by the aircraft and because it is a tight beam, the navigation equipment on the aircraft can display any drift. The pilot can see the drift visually on a screen, left, right, up and down, and then take measures to correct the decent, and correct lateral deviation for the approach in order to stay very close to the artificial glide slope which is being painted by the tight beam, broadcast from the airport. An ILS radio beam from the airport, if it were visualized, would look like a "ramp" of light being projected. To take advantage of the "ramp" the aircraft stays in the "light" as it decends and touches down at the bottom of the "ramp" on the runway. The ILS systems of most airports are generally a 24/7 radio signal 365 days per year. They are highly directional, and it is very doubtful the signal could be caused by one. If it *were* an ILS signal, the SETI dish would have experienced the signal on a regular, if not a constant basis. What is interesting is the the 3 hour duration and increased frequency drift to a higher frequency. Why is everyone so pessimistic that the signal is terrestrial? It is absolutely possible there are other living sentients which are developing a space program like ours. Not necessarily some weird green skinned, big headed alien from a movie, but perhaps a being similar to humans. We shouldn't constrain ourselves by creating an incredulistic mental "wall" from the probabilities (not possibilities) of life outside our solar system. I would like to see if the 3 hour signal drift to higher frequency coincides with the very fast orbit of proximal centauri as it was orbiting. If the planet were on it's apogee (relative to the earth) and beginning to swing toward the earth. That would create a doppler shift toward the detected higher frequency.
travelling around the galaxy to set up such a relay network would be easy compared to the maintenance and trying to track down an error in it....in any case, pandemic 2020, alien invasion 2021? sure, why not...
Yup .. if the intention was to advertise themselves to other civilizations it would make sense to encode the signal with something that was unambiguous. But of course it could be a signal with an entirely different intent.
They may have, but maybe they operate on different timescales than us so maybe the modulation was extremely fast or maybe their tech is very precise that it modulates so small we cant detect it
@@julianlockwood3040 not if they are just as young as us 💯 when we sent out a signal we did the same thing used radio signals if they’d be in our galaxy they are most likely close to our age so which means their technology would be the same 💯 but maybe a tiny bit different
I've been interested in space since I was a kid in the 60s so I have read and seen quite a bit on the subject and I have to agree with others in that , a highly advanced civilizations space communication would likely be on a different type of system altogether such as gravitational waves that can propagate through pretty much anything except a black hole but it would not likely be radio frequencies .
well I think we can all work on the interstellar code for information interchange (ISCII) as apposed to ASCII. I've already been thinking about a 16 bit system that uses hamming error correction which leaves us with (11-bit) 2048 "symbols" for all mathematical and scientific information to exchange. Maybe a image message explaining hamming error correction and data interleaving just to make sure they can decipher the data
It would be unfortunate for this to get written off as another ‘wow signal’ if it doesn’t repeat. Especially considering the only radio signal WE’VE ever sent to extraterrestrials didn’t repeat (Arecibo). Fingers crossed.
I will remain rather skeptical until we will know more, but I have to say that was the best comprehensive and scientific video about this topic I've seen so far. Kudos.
Thank you, I just have a physics question, you mentioned moving the telescope away from the source and see if it disappears.....but would the signal not be spread out in all directions, like on earth, a transmitter emits a radio signal that can be picked up in any direction? Obviously I am wrong and am missing something? Thank you again
I was wondering something along the same lines while researching this as I'm not a radio astronomer myself, let alone a SETI investigator :) The nodding technique will in general work for ruling out a terrestrial (or even low-earth orbit) source. However, I'm not sure if there's a chance of a false negative if the ionisphere is enlarged in the wake of a CME. In any event, an ET signal still doesn't necessarily mean alien in origin :)
What a great analysis! It’s interesting to see how the SETI Institute team and the Breakthrough Listen team are in a bit of a kerfuffle over this signal!
When you place a Plate of Salt on a speaker the sound waves create patterns in the Sault. With that said is it possible to use a high tone signal to change the behavior of Interspace microbes and create a Virus?
Don't cell phone towers actually drop the traffic onto the regular phone network? A fiber optic cable can carry orders of magnitude more data than a wireless network.
why would anyone send "a radio signal" without coding some sort of a message within. it's as if they marked the beginning of an era after building their first radio transmitter: - ok sir, should we send a commemorative signal? - yes, let's do that! - where to? - idk... to the nearest star?? update: of course, that would be 22,000 years ago
update: the Pentagon reports to Congress that 143 events were real, solid objects, observed by multiple sensor modes, with properties that cannot be explained by known human technology
If this signal is truly alien. Then it's more likely that something is moving towards earth than a technology advanced civilization has developed in alpha centauri system.
Why not both? An alien technology, broadcasting a radio beam toward Earth while at the same time, moving in the direction of the earth in it's orbit? What if Proxima was moving in it's orbit toward the earth at the time of broadcast?
@@MrJamespcastle you are correct the radio signals could be coming from one of the planets in the Alpha Centauri system or a satellite might have been placed in orbit around the star or one of its planets. This would be detected has the radio signal coming towards earth. However this would mean an alien civilization devoped next door to earth or decided to place a satellite in the closest star system to earth. This is possible but it would be more likely the aliens are moving towards earth.
If aliens did send the signal, and we receive the signal today that means it was sent 4.6 years ago which means the aliens have to wait a long time before we answer. Can you imagine how long it would take to say "hello, we are here" and then wait 4.6 years for an answer? That's going to be like talkng to my 4year old grand-daughter!
Imagine spending millions of years developing technology to send a signal to a distant planet and having waited for the perfect time to send the message across 4.2465ly to reach the target planet, only for people to conclude: it's probably just a glitch.
This is very interesting and I would love it to be alien . But if you where looking at the earth from outer space WOULD YOU COME HERE ???? Probably not
@@tomsytkowski3745 right lol if it’s in our galaxy 🌌 then it’s indeed just as young as our civilization or just a tiny bit older so which means they would be very interested in seeing us they are the only other ones over here as well lol but the strong 3 hour signal tells us they are a little more advanced 💯 it was sharp as well as direct.
A fascinating fact about that star. It came into proximity with the Sun about the same time humans appeared in the fossil records. Not saying it’s aliens, but it’s aliens 👾 LOL
Well, the science team should be allowed to get first crack at it and complete their analysis. That way nobody can scoop them should it turn out to be something important.
well it is possible, after all our governments lie to us all the time. no wait... they're a fraud, utterlyuntrustworthy. so we depend on all those leaking the info, whistleblowers etc. but as this guy says, why would anyone leak this at the time they received it? shouldn't they fist wait for further analysis? i mean, they went through the hustle, right?
Meanwhile on proxima, they just figured out how to tune in I love Lucy reruns! 😉 "Lucy, I'm Home!".. seriously though why are we not sending a probe to Proxima! Even if it gets there in 10 years (assuming we can accelerate probe to maybe 1/4 or 1/2 of light speeds required) in 20 years we'd know what's there!
@Alien of Sol 3 sadly yes I know however that was then. There are a lot of interesting engines in development. I'll admit 1/4 light speed though still a ways off. Wondering if we could slingshot around jupiter a number times then use pulse engines from ion propulsion to get us that fast? I suppose slowing down might be a problem though..
🔴 Could life exist around Red Dwarf stars? th-cam.com/video/28YZEmkTvew/w-d-xo.html
once we redefine life, we'll notice that inevitable evolution of chemistry is biological. Life is everywhere , where there is a source of energy
Of course! The Habitable Zone is adjustable by heat and luminosity and atmosphere. By the way, have we found ANY planet that isn't tidally locked besides Terra and her 8 friends?
@Alien of Sol 3 Just when I thought I knew it all. I sure didn't! Thank you. When I hear of the Glises and even Proxima; I hear tidally locked. It made me wonder was our solar system a one off with all planets not Tidally locked to Sol. That is scary about Mercury. I mean, other than the Earth, it is the most important planet in our system. I don't want that planet exploding. Mercury dies; so does the Earth.
@Alien of Sol 3 I saw a video that said if Mercury's orbit varied by one millimeter, it would destabilize the entire system as NO planet affects every other planet more than Mercury. Now, it seems that Mercury is slowly being burned to a crisp. How long before we lose resonance and swap orbits with Venus?
An artificial intelligence is much more likely than life.
This is the best space channel on TH-cam.
Thanks man, you’re very kind!
I agree. He is great at explaining and so interesting. I always find detailed information in these videos that I dont find elsewhere.
100%
I remain hopefully optimistic, but you’re probably right, it probably is just radio interference of some kind. But the silver lining to that is like you said, it will help to refine the process of detecting alien signals in order to confidently rule out earth based interference.
Not sure how you can say its probably local human signal interference. The leaked info confirmed they performed a nod test with the dish. Which RULES OUT local interference.
I don't think it's an alien signal but the famous wow signal probably was, not to mention there are recent events I think could be also alien like that oumoamoa object
2024: The evidence mounts BLC1 can be technological but the Wow! signal resulted from natural maser inducing activity near our galaxy's center.
A week later: "This has been a test of the Galactic Emergency Broadcast System."
This is good old quality content! Straight to the point, without annoying intro
Thanks!
Very good! Thank you.
If this was an "alien" transmission from Proxima that would have enormous implications. Not only would it confirm intelligent life "out there" but that such life must be common and widely spread as:
1) Otherwise what would be the chances of "alien intelligence" existing at the star nearest to us?
2) Red dwarfs are by far the most common stars in our galaxy but as far as we can work out are bad candidates for life...
...of course Proxima's proximity to Alpha Centauri A & B when considered in the light of the technology required to broadcast such a signal, if true, might invalidate any consideration for the habitability of red dwarf star systems.
Sadly when one compares the staggering number of highly unlikely circumstances that got us to where we are and compare that to our guesses as to how many star systems there are my best guess is that we are functionally alone in the universe and even the most simple organisms my well be vanishingly rare...
...that's not to say we shouldn't look as finding anything would be amazingly exciting and all estimates for how populated or not the universe may be are bsed on insufficient data.
I beleive red dwarf flare stars are capable of sustaining life. Especially if there is an ice covered ocean planet. Just because our life didnt need to evolve to handle flares, so it didnt.
As always great video, it's so sad that we don't live long enough to see answers to these questions
Thanks, and hey, you never know :)
Our souls live on forever
if you can live 10 more years, you will live 150 more...
Excellent, please make a follow up when the research papers come out - if they do anyway.
Funny how this story kind of disappeared. Especially since it was found by 'mistake' by an intern and leaked to the press. And then a published report that was supposed to be due in april was never forthcoming. Hmmm
Great analysis.
Thanks!
9:41 As far as my understanding goes, the main perturbation for Molniya satellites is a nodal precession where the orbit "cones" about the poles, and not an apsidal precession as you hypothesise. Other sources that could cause apsidal precession like solar/lunar tides and radiation pressure are also quite unlikely considering how inclined Molniya orbits are to both the ecliptic and the lunar orbital plane.
As such I feel pretty safe assuming it cannot be a Molniya satellite
Great work on this exciting signal Christian, I’ve been tuning in to all the channels that have given it a run and yours is right up there with the best.
Thank you, Ross!
Very informative and laid back. Thanks for uploading. :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is the third video I've watched from you, and every time I hear "Friendly Neighborhood Astronomer", I think of Mr. Rogers, for some reason.
It's a beautiful day in the Galaxy, a beautiful day for a neighbor...
The transmission power is one of the points about radio signals(fermi paradox) from other stars that always bugged me. For Proxima Centauri with a much bigger antenna you would still need an radio emitter in the megawatt range to even come close to the signal strength we receive from the Voyager probes. Even Arecibo would have had it's problems to pick up unintentional signals from Stars much further than 4 light years.
So, Proxima's 4.2 light years distant. Did we do anything spectacularly visible in the EM spectrum 8.4 years ago? Like, if somebody thinks this is an answer, what question did we ask? Or if somebody thinks this is a dial tone, how'd the provider know we'd picked up the phone?
Excellent work, sir. New sub. I for one don't need confirmation of ETs as it seems to be a mathematical certainty. However, it would be cool (to say the least) to confirm something or some beings this close to earth.
Thank you very kindly. and I'm glad to have you along for the ride!
It's both scary if were not alone or alone in the universe
I agree. I always think with how big the universe is, how in the heck can we be alone. Then again, maybe we are the first beings in this universe, and whoever designed us, is just sitting back watching us mess everything up
I can grantee we aren't alone. The fact that we exist means others exist. But intelligent life is probably extremely rare.
@@attractspsychos if we are designed we would not be the first beings, correct? i rather be alone, the whole univers just for ourselfes
@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan or maybe not, its just what we consider as intelligent. maybe the univers roams of intelligent life but they have the same boundaries as we do, or they are smart enough for not interact with us/others
@@Driessens_Peter if we are designed we are way too stupid to find anyone else. we are just an experiment that went wrong. destined to fail.
Yes, I have been discussing the possibility of putting radio and optical telescopes on the far side of the moon for many years now. Of course first we have to set up a moon base and agree to regulate activities on the moon so as to maximize the usefulness of those instruments. Not holding my breath, considering all the competing interest groups now exploring in the moon!
Yep, there would have to be some international agreement to preserve radio quiet zones on the lunar far side. It's not impossible but it will be tricky.
Love your videos. This is the most likely suspect for the signal's source I've read: "Being a precise base ten integer suggests it is human derived.
982.000 MHz is the second harmonic of 491.000 MHz, which is the center of Channel 17, UHF Television. It is probably the local oscillator of a broadcast TV tower. Harmonics can be easily generated by any nonlinear process, such as amplifiers or even a rusty contact." - mrtnmcc at ycombinator
Wow that’s interesting. Would love to see if that pans out or not. Thanks!
@@LaunchPadAstronomy Not sure how that would work though, i mean, most TV broadcast towers aren't 63 degrees up in the sky last time i checked, and it's oddly convenient that it originated from a region near Proxima Centauri of all places. Then again, i'm not a radio telescope technician, so what do i know.
Maybe they find some way a relatively local signal can bounce around the antenna looking like it came from Proxima? SETI Institute picked up a signal in 1997 they thought might be genuine (it passed the nodding test) for a few hours but it turned out to be the SOHO satellite.
So, about placing radio telescopes on the moon, couldn't you theoretically build something like Arecibo in a crater, but make the entire dish so that you can rotate it to the sides? Sure, you couldn't bring it down to the horizon (without tremendous effort anyway) but you could at least point it to an extent.
Actually, I just happen to have a video about radio telescopes on the Moon right here: th-cam.com/video/QKJY7gH2n9I/w-d-xo.html
@@LaunchPadAstronomy I know, i was just wondering that. I mean, theoretically, with the moons low gravity, if you rested the telescope at the bottom of a crater, couldn't you shift the dish if it was a solid structure? It wouldn't have the same coverage as, say, Parkes, but being able to aim it at all is superior to most of the really big designs proposed, though of course, you'd need to protect the gears from the moon dust. Perhaps you could slightly magnetize the more sensitive parts to repel the moon dust though.
How are we supposed to find aliens when we still get fooled by microwave ovens? Maybe if we moved all these telescopes to the dark side of the Moon we wouldnt be able to keep using Earth interference as an excuse.
The Mistake is the winning event for flatards.
Thanks for your recommendation on Megellan TV. Just got a subscription through your link, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it!
Awesome, I’m glad to hear it!
12:42 so do satellites also send dial tone beams? I would expect all satellite beams to be modulating
One of my favorites on this channel!
A radio telescope on the far side of the moon should have already been constructed 📡
Nice of them to tell us!
I agree that this was jumping the gun quite a bit. Its almost like the leak was done to create consensus, therefore making agreement fact. To stir up some interest in astronomy and let the imagination fly. Not enough there to convince me of anything. Another awesome video man, i can watch your videos exclusively and learn a tremendous amount! Great job!
On a side note i’ve been anxious lately to ask you about Betelgeuse. There is moderate light pollution where i observe, but i can barely make out Betelgeuse. Some nights i cant see it all! I have observed that star (and others) my whole life. Has there been any new information about that red giant? My initial thoughts on Betelgeuse dimming was either dust between us, proven not the case, or the star was loosing its outer shell and turning into a white dwarf. Instead of a super nova event, which i think was originally predicted years back, and not occur for another hundred thousand years or so. Im perplexed and grasping at straws. Lol. Cant figure out what happened 642 yrs ago! Thanks again for another great video!
Well thanks, Kris I appreciate it! While I can only guess at the motive for the leak, it seems the BL folks are already saying they're pretty sure it's not an actual alien signal, so you share their skepticism :) As for Betelgeuse, it seems to be steadily returning to its normal brightness, so either there was dust or some kind of supercell event. Cheers!
When i re read what i wrote it sounds so terrible! Ugh i wish i was more eloquent. It sounds derogative. So glad you could understand without bias. Its gotta be my area and light pollution. Well that answers my question, thank you! Early evening it is pretty low in the sky early winter from Maine. And towards a small city. Thank you so much for enlightening me! I need to get out into the country more. Best regards-Kris. I think you have a live event tonight, cant wait!
Thanks, and glad you'll drop by later!
Any updates on this? They've been looking at the signal for a while, even now.
Mormans in rural 1940s Utah looked to the sky & thought they saw the angel Moroni in flight till they read, "GOODYEAR TIRE CO." I hope this signal isn't such an Earthly disapointment.
Could it be a radio burst ? FRB
Love the vids bro and thanks for all the useful information.
Thanks, much appreciated!
The most interesting part is the musical tones , or what sounds like deliberate musical mathematical patterns.
Great analysis!
Thank you!
Thank you for addressing this Christian and your video on telescopes on the moon was excellent and your video on using the sun on imaging exoplanets. Have a safe and happy new year and hopefully this turns out to be what we all hope it is👽🤣
Thank you, @Gman k. So glad you're enjoying the videos. Have a wonderful New Year!
The reason why it may have picked up 3 hours of this mysterious signal because there was a planet got right in front of the located star. Maybe, it could be 3 hours of alien entertainment.
But it appeared to be unmodulated, meaning that the signal didn't carry information. If it were something similar to a TV signal, you would see little changes in amplitude or little changes in frequency that encode the information.
You could look at the star if you were on Proxima B without it hurting your eyes. That's why it so dim, even though its the closest.
My gut feeling is that the zoo hypothesis is real and we will come to learn that space-time warping craft are not only possible but visiting us already, probably for thousands of years
Is it possible to return the same signal to the same location with this radio disk? I like the idea of setting up a radio telescope on the moon. But it seems anything to do with the other side of the mood might recieve a negative response from NASA.
The message sender from the other side would require using the same patents of radio wave and fliw, plus at such distance the frequency will mimic at super fast foward data, to the point of adjusting it, it can't be understood. Light/particals will saturate its wave lenght at such distance.
we were sent a dial tone.... lets transmitt one back... wait 8 years
Hey Christian! As always an interesting video regarding a very fitting subject to end 2020 with :D my curiousity was aroused when you briefley mensioned the filtering process of signals at around 8 minutes. If i may disturb you by asking you to please explain to me how on earth we filter signals and manage to get signals that actually are from space?
Hi @Ssmpsn, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. There are a couple of techniques for verifying the signal is coming from space, most of which can be filtered by computer algorithms. But even then there are still many signals that pass the automated filter that are still ruled out after human inspection. Cheers!
@@LaunchPadAstronomy ahh okay, soif i understand you correctly somehow by the properties of a signal it is possibel to deduce that it indeed did appear from space!
possible is that if theres intelligent life over there, they also receive earth broadcasts, maybe we receive one of them. its just thinking like a child but have anyone allready tried to convert the singal into audio or video?
Aircraft do not generate or broadcast ILS signals. The equipment on an aircraft for navigation is passive. Ils signals are broadcast by the airport in a very very tight beam. The ILS signal is then recieved by the aircraft and because it is a tight beam, the navigation equipment on the aircraft can display any drift. The pilot can see the drift visually on a screen, left, right, up and down, and then take measures to correct the decent, and correct lateral deviation for the approach in order to stay very close to the artificial glide slope which is being painted by the tight beam, broadcast from the airport. An ILS radio beam from the airport, if it were visualized, would look like a "ramp" of light being projected. To take advantage of the "ramp" the aircraft stays in the "light" as it decends and touches down at the bottom of the "ramp" on the runway.
The ILS systems of most airports are generally a 24/7 radio signal 365 days per year. They are highly directional, and it is very doubtful the signal could be caused by one. If it *were* an ILS signal, the SETI dish would have experienced the signal on a regular, if not a constant basis. What is interesting is the the 3 hour duration and increased frequency drift to a higher frequency.
Why is everyone so pessimistic that the signal is terrestrial? It is absolutely possible there are other living sentients which are developing a space program like ours. Not necessarily some weird green skinned, big headed alien from a movie, but perhaps a being similar to humans.
We shouldn't constrain ourselves by creating an incredulistic mental "wall" from the probabilities (not possibilities) of life outside our solar system.
I would like to see if the 3 hour signal drift to higher frequency coincides with the very fast orbit of proximal centauri as it was orbiting. If the planet were on it's apogee (relative to the earth) and beginning to swing toward the earth. That would create a doppler shift toward the detected higher frequency.
Moon telescopes sounds awesome! Going to watch nows
travelling around the galaxy to set up such a relay network would be easy compared to the maintenance and trying to track down an error in it....in any case, pandemic 2020, alien invasion 2021? sure, why not...
How else are you going to top 2020, this next year?
If these are made by intelligent beings, then they should have modulated it some ways to contain some information.
Yup .. if the intention was to advertise themselves to other civilizations it would make sense to encode the signal with something that was unambiguous. But of course it could be a signal with an entirely different intent.
They may have, but maybe they operate on different timescales than us so maybe the modulation was extremely fast or maybe their tech is very precise that it modulates so small we cant detect it
@@julianlockwood3040 not if they are just as young as us 💯 when we sent out a signal we did the same thing used radio signals if they’d be in our galaxy they are most likely close to our age so which means their technology would be the same 💯 but maybe a tiny bit different
Does Magellan TV have content in Portuguese?
I've been interested in space since I was a kid in the 60s so I have read and seen quite a bit on the subject and I have to agree with others in that , a highly advanced civilizations space communication would likely be on a different type of system altogether such as gravitational waves that can propagate through pretty much anything except a black hole but it would not likely be radio frequencies .
So still no one wants to talk to us? I can’t believe we are that bad.
Why don't you bounce earth signals on proxima and listen to it 8 years later?
well I think we can all work on the interstellar code for information interchange (ISCII) as apposed to ASCII. I've already been thinking about a 16 bit system that uses hamming error correction which leaves us with (11-bit) 2048 "symbols" for all mathematical and scientific information to exchange. Maybe a image message explaining hamming error correction and data interleaving just to make sure they can decipher the data
OMG! Can nobody lead with the lead anymore? Show us a sample of the signal fps!
Of course it's "maybe (not)!"
Even tho we know only 1% yet, I think, lol.
It would be unfortunate for this to get written off as another ‘wow signal’ if it doesn’t repeat. Especially considering the only radio signal WE’VE ever sent to extraterrestrials didn’t repeat (Arecibo). Fingers crossed.
If it doesn't repeat, it would lead me to believe that it's just human-caused RFI (which TBH, is most likely the source of the WOW signal).
2020 Anything is possible... 2021 Dramatic effects of hangover...
"Shhh, be quiet, they're listening!"
I really enjoy the channel. Interesting topics and great explanations with great visuals.
What type of signal were being detected from the Aresivo observation satellite, withing Earth innerspace not outer space!
Looks like BLC-1 will forever remain mysterious like the wow signal.
Quite possibly.
I will remain rather skeptical until we will know more, but I have to say that was the best comprehensive and scientific video about this topic I've seen so far. Kudos.
Thank you vet kindly!
Was the signal of a spacecraft landing on Proxima...
Thank you, I just have a physics question, you mentioned moving the telescope away from the source and see if it disappears.....but would the signal not be spread out in all directions, like on earth, a transmitter emits a radio signal that can be picked up in any direction? Obviously I am wrong and am missing something? Thank you again
I was wondering something along the same lines while researching this as I'm not a radio astronomer myself, let alone a SETI investigator :) The nodding technique will in general work for ruling out a terrestrial (or even low-earth orbit) source. However, I'm not sure if there's a chance of a false negative if the ionisphere is enlarged in the wake of a CME. In any event, an ET signal still doesn't necessarily mean alien in origin :)
@@LaunchPadAstronomy thank you so much
Hi Christian. I was waiting for this video. Thank you. I knew you could not refrain yourself.
It was everything in me to resist, but alas I failed :)
What a great analysis! It’s interesting to see how the SETI Institute team and the Breakthrough Listen team are in a bit of a kerfuffle over this signal!
Thank you, sir!
When you place a Plate of Salt on a speaker the sound waves create patterns in the Sault. With that said is it possible to use a high tone signal to change the behavior of Interspace microbes and create a Virus?
Nothing about the solar flair yet it shout out yesterday with a possibility of Alien life according to BBC
Please let it be Aliens please!!! It would be soo interesting.
It would be mind blowing, but it is never aliens.
@@TheSwordofra hmm yeah. The reality is rude 😶😶
Year 2020: As you wish 👹
31 Dec newspaper: BLC1 is war announcement message by Alien civilisation on earth entire world started preparing for the war
what if aliens don't use sound but something else.
Yeah I always wonder about their senses
@Launch Pad Astronomy .. is wonderful because there is NO ADDED Music.
Well, that's one less thing for me to have to worry about. Thanks!
Does the Vega start has any planets?
We don't know of any planets around Vega as of this time.
where is the signal from proxima?
15:17 okay, nice idea .. but why would they have spared Earth or our solar system to set up a transmitter here, too?
we should send a signal back. What if there is life and they are checking for life like us.
Definately!
Don't cell phone towers actually drop the traffic onto the regular phone network? A fiber optic cable can carry orders of magnitude more data than a wireless network.
Yes, you're correct about the towers. I was mistaken but a couple of others pointed it out. I learn something new every day :)
is the african array now operational?
why would anyone send "a radio signal" without coding some sort of a message within.
it's as if they marked the beginning of an era after building their first radio transmitter:
- ok sir, should we send a commemorative signal?
- yes, let's do that!
- where to?
- idk... to the nearest star??
update: of course, that would be 22,000 years ago
proxima a and b will be a walk in the park for james webb
What are your thoughts on the tic tac ufo event and david fravors testimony? Do you have a video on this subject?
Isaac Arthur debunks the tic tac ufo very well
update: the Pentagon reports to Congress that 143 events were real, solid objects, observed by multiple sensor modes, with properties that cannot be explained by known human technology
If this signal is truly alien. Then it's more likely that something is moving towards earth than a technology advanced civilization has developed in alpha centauri system.
Why not both? An alien technology, broadcasting a radio beam toward Earth while at the same time, moving in the direction of the earth in it's orbit?
What if Proxima was moving in it's orbit toward the earth at the time of broadcast?
@@MrJamespcastle you are correct the radio signals could be coming from one of the planets in the Alpha Centauri system or a satellite might have been placed in orbit around the star or one of its planets. This would be detected has the radio signal coming towards earth.
However this would mean an alien civilization devoped next door to earth or decided to place a satellite in the closest star system to earth.
This is possible but it would be more likely the aliens are moving towards earth.
If aliens did send the signal, and we receive the signal today that means it was sent 4.6 years ago which means the aliens have to wait a long time before we answer. Can you imagine how long it would take to say "hello, we are here" and then wait 4.6 years for an answer? That's going to be like talkng to my 4year old grand-daughter!
Nice 👍 It wouldn’t be interstellar communication so much as interstellar notification.
@@LaunchPadAstronomy Yes, by someone using a flash light!
Haha aww granddaughter joke is adorable
Imagine spending millions of years developing technology to send a signal to a distant planet and having waited for the perfect time to send the message across 4.2465ly to reach the target planet, only for people to conclude: it's probably just a glitch.
@@DavidLoveMore Yes, and my grand-daughter is now 6 years old!
This is very interesting and I would love it to be alien . But if you where looking at the earth from outer space WOULD YOU COME HERE ???? Probably not
UFO's come here daily
You don't think a planet with a civilization living on it would be interesting to another civilization ?
@@tomsytkowski3745 right lol if it’s in our galaxy 🌌 then it’s indeed just as young as our civilization or just a tiny bit older so which means they would be very interested in seeing us they are the only other ones over here as well lol but the strong 3 hour signal tells us they are a little more advanced 💯 it was sharp as well as direct.
@@honeymilano5325 Exactly, I believe that any advanced civilization aleady knows that we are here
@@WhiteGuysMadder i'd say, they live amongst us
Did we send a signal back?
A fascinating fact about that star. It came into proximity with the Sun about the same time humans appeared in the fossil records. Not saying it’s aliens, but it’s aliens 👾 LOL
Wow imagine panspermia
That’s wild which means that civilization is a little younger or older from our civilization??
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Use 1.25x playback speed.
Why we can't get data of signal publicly. That way anyone who want to analyse it could do it easily.
Well, the science team should be allowed to get first crack at it and complete their analysis. That way nobody can scoop them should it turn out to be something important.
The lifeforms at alpha Centauri are terraforming that world at proxima b
100% life out there, but before we or them have the tech to find each other we will have died out
Probably a TV show from an alien civilization..
Must have been the microwave oven in the Visitors centre at Parkes...
Stop debunking my dreams 😭😭😭🤪
Hehehe
So if it is an alien signal, do you think NASA, SETI, etc., would tell us, or just keep it hush hush?
well it is possible, after all our governments lie to us all the time. no wait... they're a fraud, utterlyuntrustworthy.
so we depend on all those leaking the info, whistleblowers etc.
but as this guy says, why would anyone leak this at the time they received it? shouldn't they fist wait for further analysis? i mean, they went through the hustle, right?
how is it we have telescopes that can see billions of lights years away but things much closer we can't see ????????????????????????
I think some of the planets might be too dark, small and far away compared to their sun, making hard to find. I think that's just one reason though
I bet we're either alone, or other civilization are in their infancy just like us.
This hasn't aged well.
How come ?
Meanwhile on proxima, they just figured out how to tune in I love Lucy reruns! 😉 "Lucy, I'm Home!".. seriously though why are we not sending a probe to Proxima! Even if it gets there in 10 years (assuming we can accelerate probe to maybe 1/4 or 1/2 of light speeds required) in 20 years we'd know what's there!
@Alien of Sol 3 sadly yes I know however that was then. There are a lot of interesting engines in development. I'll admit 1/4 light speed though still a ways off. Wondering if we could slingshot around jupiter a number times then use pulse engines from ion propulsion to get us that fast? I suppose slowing down might be a problem though..