Easy to say and do when you you’re born with money & status. How can a factory worker or security guard “live” when they have to work 12 hour shifts, or drudge all day on a freezing cold building site
It’s insulting when a government claims to pardon people posthumously who in retrospect didn’t do wrong. Shouldn’t it express regret and offer apologies for moral judgment of their predecessors instead?
Pardons are only ever issued when it is accepted that the original conviction was not fair or correct. So as Martha Speaks said, the admission of error is implicit in the pardon.
A government cannot express regret or offer apologies. It's not a living thing that cares for people, but a beurocracy of laws and enforcement, it can only pardon.
@@MSmith-qg1oh I'm reading "Great Thinkers". It gives a 3 page summary of each of the great philosophers and political thinkers. At first I put it aside because I thought it would be too dry. It's far from dry. Alain says what Rousseau said only in a way that is far easier to understand and relate to. He summarizes philosophers whose ideas I've ignored for decades and I think they have some interesting points to make.
“Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism (1891).
@@algimante2097 right like people aren't going to have the same ideas. you're not gonna find a single author/historical person who would have all the same ideals that we have today. the idea is unrealistic.
"Many of us would -- across the ages -- want to comfort and befriend Oscar Wilde. It's a touching hope but one that would be best employed in extending understanding to all those less talented and less witty figures who are right now facing grave difficulties and still, deserve compassion." True wisdom
Don't mistake virtue signalling for wisdom. Unchecked barbarian migration certainly didn't work for the Romans. Send them home to fix their own countries. With help if necessary. That is true humanitarianism. Teach a man to fish and all that.
@@Ace0nPoint that's not what they're talking about and you're very abnormal if you think it is. I'm sorry that the very notion of compassion for the unexceptional is triggering Take it from someone who volunteers and works to teach people "how to fish" on a daily basis-- you don't read as a philosophy major, and you don't read as tough or enlightened or noble. You read as an insecure little boy projecting whatever is left of your conscience because someone else *might* be a better person than you. I'm not, but the very idea that I could be makes you very insecure and everyone can tell. And you lack the faculty to do anything other than put others down, trying in vain to drape your abnormal, aberrant leanings in the clothes of macho history. You can do better.
@@chavesa5 the fact that you immediately abandon the discussion and start name calling and being personal and insulting doesn't give much credence to your veiwpoint It's hardly a compassionate stance to dismiss a person the right to basic respect just because you disagree with his opinion You'll no doubt start slagging me off now too
It's Oscar's birthday on Saturday, 16th, so let us all reflect with love and admiration on that dear fellow. Remember, we are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.
@Miles Doyle Hello Miles. Small point, but the personal pronoun of your deity is traditionally represented in capital letters - otherwise they become just one among many mythical beings. Bless you and I hope you're doing well, as am I.
It was not his downfall. It was the downfall of humanity. It pains me to think that a genius like Wilde had to suffer such a terrible end! Anyway, loved the message you gave in the end. We, as a society, indeed need to be more empathetic.
Don't kid yourself, Among the more sordid details of the case are those revealed by Margaret Cotta, a chambermaid at the Savoy Hotel, a favourite rendezvous for Wilde and his series of young male 'renters'. Describing a prolonged visit to the hotel by Wilde and Alfred Douglas, who was affectionately known as Bosie, Miss Cotta said she found a 'common boy, rough looking, 14 years of age' in Wilde's bed, the sheets of which 'were always in a most disgusting state... with traces of vaseline, soil and semen'. And this is just the beginning of the misconduct which would see him into vastly more trouble than 2 years in jail this day and age.
@@Someoneorother123 One can acknowledge that Oscar Wilde was a piece of shit while also recognizing that he was a literary genius and that people shouldn’t be put on trial for being homosexual
your conclusion was absolutely beautiful. Just like Oscar Wilde was persecuted for some completely arbitrary ideal, many people still judge and look down upon people who are for whatever reason ill-equipped at fulfilling our societies' arbitrary ideals. We credit them with every sort of condemnable trait in order to justify their misfortune. True compassion is a rare virtue amongst us humans.
@@Nero-ox5tw why is sodomy a crime again? Can’t people live the lives they want to? What is a crime is trying to force a religion’s ideals onto everyone. And iirc there was no evidence regarding pedophilia
I think it was a downfall for the pain it brought to him as an artist. He once was on the pedestal of fame and success, then he suddenly was spat on and demeaned in the pillory of public infamy for the life he wanted to lead. Such suffering broke him greatly and stagnated his creative spirit. I don't think there is a more harrowing and dreadful thing than being a stagnant artist who is not able to produce art anymore. What a shame!
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Yeah, after a couple of years of hard labor get back to me. Not to be rude, but you significantly underestimate the cost to him. Look at what he wrote... lost his kids... These were the social prices of the day.
well he drank himself to death and got very sick and died, that pretty much ended his life. He also said he had passions but couldn't write anymore, towards the end of the video.
Me too! I just finished it. Great book. I didn’t know wilder was gay or bi, until i read the book. He described dorian so vividly and sensually, that became sus. So i read his wiki. Also, the letters between his lover and the lover’s dad is actually so hilarious.
It is important to note that one reason for Wilde's aggressive pursuit was that he had relationships with young male prostitutes as young as 16 when he was nearly 40. He thought of male relationships as one muse and one intellect. Bosie too was 22 when Wilde was 38
It's all more complicated than people think. From a young age, Oscar resorted to fantasies of Greek love - probably as the only vent for his feelings. However, as a person who is 22 years old you are an adult, and it may surprise you, but young people can also prefer older people. But that's not what I wanted to write about. Firstly, Robbie and Oscar's relationship is just a rumour. Robbie denied having a romantic or sexual relationship with Oscar. The "rent boys" issue is very complicated and people tend to polarise Oscar. He did indeed sleep (so far we know) with them, and I’m not defending this; we also know for a fact that Bosie pressured him a lot and at one point, he said that he did not want to be with these boys but couldn't emotionally resist Bosie. Bosie was very young, but he was still very dominant and abusive. Oscar even tried to escape to France and didn't tell anyone because he was afraid Bosie would find him, and he ended up finding him anyway. Alfred harassed him, often threatening to kill themselves if he did not return to him. He even said he was afraid of Bosie, and to be more specific, he described a “feeling of utter horror” because he carried a gun with him all the time. Even Bosie's own mother warned Oscar about her own son. Oscar wrote it in De Profundis: “Whether you had with you the pistol you had bought to try and frighten your father with, and that, thinking it to be unloaded, you had once fired off in a public restaurant in my company: whether your hand was moving towards a common dinner-knife that by chance was lying on the table between us: whether forgetting in your rage your low stature and inferior strength, you had thought of some especially personal insult, or attack even, as I lay ill there”. I don't know if Oscar found out (probably not), but allegedly(!) Bosie told Gide that Oscar's 9-year-old son would be his (in sexual matter). We also know that the boys were probably pressured by detectives to confess against Oscar. And we don't really know exactly whether their confessions were truthful. Oscar has privately told his friends that many of the charges have nothing to do with him but with Bosie, but that he will not confess against him because he wants to keep him safe. It sounds stupid, but there were indeed different times. Girls were allowed to marry at the age of 15.... generally there was a big problem with prostitution. Many girls started with prostitution at the age of 12
Oof, this one was heartbreaking, def gotta look into his work. Great point at the end, but unfortunately the lack of empathy nowadays doesn't seem to be very interested in learning from past fuckups. I wish people would actually look at this type of thing and wonder who we're doing this shit to these days.
Once you lose the joy of life, you open yourself of to the reality of suffering. You start to see the world as it is, without any bias. It’s not a perfect world.
I hate to tell you mate the only way you ever grow in your life is if you experience true suffering. To live is to suffer and to survive is to find meaning in that suffering
@@matthew-jy5jp what do you mean by grow? Like develop depression and other stuff? Growth shouldn't be seen as a positive thing. It can be very suffocating and keeping you from living and enjoying things. Beauty, happiness, love, joy and passion those on the other hand excite and make you come alive. Suffering is not needed for that. The kind of suffering we see in this world is just an unfortunate circumstance in this world due to all sorts of physical limitations and restrictions imposed on us here. Suffering is a guide that we should use to try to get to a batter way to be
Thank you for this. Very interesting, informative and inspiring. Wilde and Turing (and many others).... What a great shame, the hideous way they were treated.
Just a minor historical correction - John Sholto Douglas (Bosie's father and the marquess of Queensberry) didn't invent the revised rules of boxing, rather he was the patron of John Graham Chambers, who created the rules and dedicated them in Queensberry's name.
What a tragic story. Came to the comment section and expected a bunch of homophobia, I'm relieved to see that it's not there. The video said that most people today would be friends with people in Oscar's category but I definitely think it's still a fight that has not been settled.
It's great to see a new addition to your Literature playlist. I hope this is the first of several new posts. Speaking personally, I'd like to recommend Fernando Pessoa as a possible subject for a video.
Wilde certainly played a part in his own downfall. Moving abroad and deceiving his ex wife threw him into poverty. Wilde’s was naive to think suing someone powerful would be an easy matter.
To be honest, he wasn’t that poor. He was just such irresponsible person.. his friends raised for him 1000 pounds after his release and he just spend it for alcohol and parties within few months. And 1000 pounds was a lot a lot, about 100tausend today. And even after, he received so much money from his friends. Robbie wanted him to rent a flat in Paris, but wanted to stay in a hotel. Mostly bc of Maurice who worked there and Oscar was very much in love.
To the *incredible person* that's seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤ don't ever blame yourself, accept things and go forward. Your smile is precious and the keys to a happy life is in your hands.
Wow I cannot believe it. I read his pieces back in 5th grade and loved him as a writer since. We learned that he died of tuberculosis but this was the tragedy behind it all? I'm so heartbroken.
Wilde is an inspiration, the ballad of reading goal is gut wrenchin. This straight Irish Man says Wilde is our best. Yeats is a bit of an idealist twit. Sent from Streedagh beach,under Benbulbins head
Alan Turing deserves more than a pardon. For his services in helping save Britain, he deserves the highest posthumous honours the Crown can bestow upon him.
didn't Queensbury even consider accusations against Wilde might ruin his son as well as destroy Wilde? Some ppl are so toxic, Queensbury musta been a narcissist, maybe abused his own son and was just jealous of someone else's attachment to his son, js
Let's stop lying to ourselves, Wilde's downfall was completly pointless and I feel a strong dislike towards people who try to rationalise his suffering and make it a pretty story with a moral.
@@DavidLopez-tj7jl the difference is that it's uncensored, so you'll read everything Wilde wanted you to. From my understanding, most of the censored parts concern the love/"admiration" Basil felt for Dorian. I haven't read that particular edition, but I read the uncensored one in my native language.
There is still so much confusion regarding homosexuality and its origins. It just augments the pain and the tragedy, rather than resolving the deeper issues. This remains an ongoing problem. One thing is for sure, though, and that it is wrong to celebrate something that is so destructive to individuals.
Quando nel triennio del liceo linguistico studiavo in letteratura inglese Oscar Wilde e il ritratto di Dorian Gray che per me che sono gay era perfetto da studiare
btw Charles Maturin who wrote Melmoth the Wanderer was Oscar Wilde's great-uncle there could be a connection behind his choice of the name Melmoth in his exile.
Please make a video on Abu 'Ali al-Husayn ibn Sina, who is better known in Europe by the Latinized name “Avicenna.” He is probably the most significant philosopher in the Islamic tradition and arguably the most influential philosopher of the pre-modern era.
That wasn't a downfall for me. It was fate, tragedy. But certainly not the "downfall" of Oscar Wilde. Embracing your nature is a revolution itself and a success even if it costs your freedom. He clearly didn't regret anything.
Although I'm all against violence and discrimination for any reason at all, I can't see his story a a sad one. I understand the background and the context of that time and place heavily restricted one's power to choose freely, but still, I can't condone a married person, with children no less, to abandon their family for a third be it man or woman. For me, Wilde was right in his feelings about having fall in indecency and pleasures, as he was completely conscious he was married and had responsibilities. I can empathize with his lover, as he was young and inexperienced, but not Wilde. In my eyes, his acts were entirely wrongful.
I loved that ending where Alain urged us to care for those who are rejected and uncared for, as a way of making up for the harsh wrongs that were done to Oscar Wilde.
It's largely the only thing we can learn/take away from stories like Turing or Wilde. I appreciated the Trans right sign at the end. There are a lot of avenues available to learn about different kinds of people and the struggles they face, and to realize the unfairness of discrimination in many of those cases.
how does he know that there's a lack of compassion? How is that measured? Who exactly is guilty of this lack of compassion? No-one is doing two years hard labour for being an immigrant or being trans in 2021 Unless he was talking about Islamic countries needing more compassion?
If an almost 40 year old man found to have relations with a minor as young as 16, i don't think even in our society we will be able to forgive him, he will be classified as a pedophile.
It’s fantastic to see this channel acknowledge lgbt and trans rights specifically, the channel has helped me a lot and I feel even more loved with this acceptance
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To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.
~ Oscar Wilde
@@C1223opuv Living doesn't exclude hiring rent boys. That's precisely the difference between an artist and a moralist.
And to live thru the mindless gluttonous oppression inflicted by the establishment is to watch the future of the divine die!
can you explain that?
Easy to say and do when you you’re born with money & status. How can a factory worker or security guard “live” when they have to work 12 hour shifts, or drudge all day on a freezing cold building site
It’s insulting when a government claims to pardon people posthumously who in retrospect didn’t do wrong. Shouldn’t it express regret and offer apologies for moral judgment of their predecessors instead?
Pardons are only ever issued when it is accepted that the original conviction was not fair or correct. So as Martha Speaks said, the admission of error is implicit in the pardon.
A government cannot express regret or offer apologies. It's not a living thing that cares for people, but a beurocracy of laws and enforcement, it can only pardon.
Yes but they don't want to admit they were wrong.
By that logic, the British Royal family would be issuing apologies to millions of people everyday.
I'm very glad that Mr. Alain de botton is back again, we missed his divinely voice so much.
I second the motion.
Yes, I would buy any books he chose to do for Audible.
@@MSmith-qg1oh I'm reading "Great Thinkers". It gives a 3 page summary of each of the great philosophers and political thinkers. At first I put it aside because I thought it would be too dry. It's far from dry. Alain says what Rousseau said only in a way that is far easier to understand and relate to. He summarizes philosophers whose ideas I've ignored for decades and I think they have some interesting points to make.
He's been too discrete I wish he was more visible. His books are precious.
@@bikerslow2598 I agree. I love "Essays on Love" and "Art as Therapy." He always has original ideas.
“Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”
Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism (1891).
It sure did Oscar Wilde a lot of good to live and think that way 😂
@@matthew-jy5jp ahahaha :) yeah but,
Him living his true life wasn’t a downfall of his …
He sounds like an addict :( and these are the words masking illness as a virtue. That is so sad. His lot I mean.
oops, you just made me read Wilde. Which book to begin with?
@@matthew-jy5jp sounds like reich-wing fascist absolutist moralistic "thinking".
Imagine if Oscar Wilde had Twitter
@@algimante2097 i mean misogyny is still cool and acceptable especially between (gay) men
he'd probably be wint's only competition
@@algimante2097 I agree, we cannot judge the ignorance of the past with the wisdom of the present
@@algimante2097 right like people aren't going to have the same ideas. you're not gonna find a single author/historical person who would have all the same ideals that we have today. the idea is unrealistic.
Wtf does that have to do with it turd ?
"Many of us would -- across the ages -- want to comfort and befriend Oscar Wilde. It's a touching hope but one that would be best employed in extending understanding to all those less talented and less witty figures who are right now facing grave difficulties and still, deserve compassion."
True wisdom
Don't mistake virtue signalling for wisdom. Unchecked barbarian migration certainly didn't work for the Romans. Send them home to fix their own countries. With help if necessary. That is true humanitarianism. Teach a man to fish and all that.
@@Ace0nPoint that's not what they're talking about and you're very abnormal if you think it is. I'm sorry that the very notion of compassion for the unexceptional is triggering
Take it from someone who volunteers and works to teach people "how to fish" on a daily basis-- you don't read as a philosophy major, and you don't read as tough or enlightened or noble.
You read as an insecure little boy projecting whatever is left of your conscience because someone else *might* be a better person than you. I'm not, but the very idea that I could be makes you very insecure and everyone can tell. And you lack the faculty to do anything other than put others down, trying in vain to drape your abnormal, aberrant leanings in the clothes of macho history.
You can do better.
@@chavesa5 That is a staggeringly articulate and well meant response to a comment that is devoid of compassion. Thank you.
@@chavesa5 the fact that you immediately abandon the discussion and start name calling and being personal and insulting doesn't give much credence to your veiwpoint
It's hardly a compassionate stance to dismiss a person the right to basic respect just because you disagree with his opinion
You'll no doubt start slagging me off now too
@Miles Doyle you're nuts
It's Oscar's birthday on Saturday, 16th, so let us all reflect with love and admiration on that dear fellow. Remember, we are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.
Pretender.
@Miles Doyle Hello Miles. Small point, but the personal pronoun of your deity is traditionally represented in capital letters - otherwise they become just one among many mythical beings. Bless you and I hope you're doing well, as am I.
It was not his downfall. It was the downfall of humanity. It pains me to think that a genius like Wilde had to suffer such a terrible end!
Anyway, loved the message you gave in the end. We, as a society, indeed need to be more empathetic.
Don't kid yourself, Among the more sordid details of the case are those revealed by Margaret Cotta, a chambermaid at the Savoy Hotel, a favourite rendezvous for Wilde and his series of young male 'renters'. Describing a prolonged visit to the hotel by Wilde and Alfred Douglas, who was affectionately known as Bosie, Miss Cotta said she found a 'common boy, rough looking, 14 years of age' in Wilde's bed, the sheets of which 'were always in a most disgusting state... with traces of vaseline, soil and semen'. And this is just the beginning of the misconduct which would see him into vastly more trouble than 2 years in jail this day and age.
@@Someoneorother123 One can acknowledge that Oscar Wilde was a piece of shit while also recognizing that he was a literary genius and that people shouldn’t be put on trial for being homosexual
The only ones who got a terrible ends were the youths that Wilde had met.
Wilde being a homo wasn't the moral crime, it was his betrayal of his wife and children and his constant fornicating with young boys.
*“Reduce the complexity of life by eliminating the needless wants of life, and the labors of life reduce themselves.” - Edwin Way Teale*
Any examples of a needless want?
@@shaunburns543 another piece of clothing, new phone, a cookie, a beer, porn. The list goes on.
@@shaunburns543 Simplicity.
The only need that is real is to over throw the oppressive forces of the establishment
That's gonna get banned as redpill picks up lol.
We should appreciate where we are and how much freedom we have compare to others.
your conclusion was absolutely beautiful. Just like Oscar Wilde was persecuted for some completely arbitrary ideal, many people still judge and look down upon people who are for whatever reason ill-equipped at fulfilling our societies' arbitrary ideals. We credit them with every sort of condemnable trait in order to justify their misfortune. True compassion is a rare virtue amongst us humans.
What an absolute disgrace the way he was treated.
@@Nero-ox5tw why is sodomy a crime again? Can’t people live the lives they want to? What is a crime is trying to force a religion’s ideals onto everyone.
And iirc there was no evidence regarding pedophilia
@@mutthulakshmi1730 The irony of someone with Nero as a username calling Oscar out for debauchery 😒😒😒
To me Oscar Wild never fell.
Please post more videos about
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"I have pleasures and passions but the joy of life is gone." Wow :")
Him living his true life wasn’t a downfall of his …
Well said.
yeah...
I think it was a downfall for the pain it brought to him as an artist. He once was on the pedestal of fame and success, then he suddenly was spat on and demeaned in the pillory of public infamy for the life he wanted to lead. Such suffering broke him greatly and stagnated his creative spirit. I don't think there is a more harrowing and dreadful thing than being a stagnant artist who is not able to produce art anymore. What a shame!
Yeah, after a couple of years of hard labor get back to me. Not to be rude, but you significantly underestimate the cost to him. Look at what he wrote... lost his kids... These were the social prices of the day.
well he drank himself to death and got very sick and died, that pretty much ended his life. He also said he had passions but couldn't write anymore, towards the end of the video.
I literally started reading the picture of Dorian gray yesterday, what a coincidence!!!!
A great novel. So modern in alot of ways.
one of the best novels ever.
Me too! I just finished it. Great book. I didn’t know wilder was gay or bi, until i read the book. He described dorian so vividly and sensually, that became sus. So i read his wiki. Also, the letters between his lover and the lover’s dad is actually so hilarious.
It's a GREAT book aside from the montage chapter, but an excellent metaphor for hiding the true self among the supposed moral people in power.
"literally"
Nicely done.
Excellent message... there are no doubt other "Oscars" in the world today who need support.
I have been missing these kind of videos. Well done!
This just shows the arbitrary nature of good and bad throughout history. What was once a crime is normal now and vice versa
Deviation from norms
Yea like martial rape wasn't considered an official crime until the 1990s well at least in America
People who write the laws of any era don't factor for moral relativity, they're just after your vote.
"THERE IS NOTHING EITHER GOOD OR BAD BUT THINKING MAKES IT SO" (Hamlet's words)
@@kenhtinhthuc Further to your point, you could've gone with "Conscience doth make cowards of us all".
It is important to note that one reason for Wilde's aggressive pursuit was that he had relationships with young male prostitutes as young as 16 when he was nearly 40. He thought of male relationships as one muse and one intellect. Bosie too was 22 when Wilde was 38
What
It's all more complicated than people think. From a young age, Oscar resorted to fantasies of Greek love - probably as the only vent for his feelings.
However, as a person who is 22 years old you are an adult, and it may surprise you, but young people can also prefer older people. But that's not what I wanted to write about.
Firstly, Robbie and Oscar's relationship is just a rumour. Robbie denied having a romantic or sexual relationship with Oscar. The "rent boys" issue is very complicated and people tend to polarise Oscar. He did indeed sleep (so far we know) with them, and I’m not defending this; we also know for a fact that Bosie pressured him a lot and at one point, he said that he did not want to be with these boys but couldn't emotionally resist Bosie.
Bosie was very young, but he was still very dominant and abusive. Oscar even tried to escape to France and didn't tell anyone because he was afraid Bosie would find him, and he ended up finding him anyway. Alfred harassed him, often threatening to kill themselves if he did not return to him. He even said he was afraid of Bosie, and to be more specific, he described a “feeling of utter horror” because he carried a gun with him all the time. Even Bosie's own mother warned Oscar about her own son. Oscar wrote it in De Profundis: “Whether you had with you the pistol you had bought to try and frighten your father with, and that, thinking it to be unloaded, you had once fired off in a public restaurant in my company: whether your hand was moving towards a common dinner-knife that by chance was lying on the table between us: whether forgetting in your rage your low stature and inferior strength, you had thought of some especially personal insult, or attack even, as I lay ill there”. I don't know if Oscar found out (probably not), but allegedly(!) Bosie told Gide that Oscar's 9-year-old son would be his (in sexual matter). We also know that the boys were probably pressured by detectives to confess against Oscar. And we don't really know exactly whether their confessions were truthful. Oscar has privately told his friends that many of the charges have nothing to do with him but with Bosie, but that he will not confess against him because he wants to keep him safe. It sounds stupid, but there were indeed different times. Girls were allowed to marry at the age of 15.... generally there was a big problem with prostitution. Many girls started with prostitution at the age of 12
Yes but it was socially acceptable for old Men to have young female prostitutes likely still is to a large extent.
i hope you don't think they addressed sleeping with YOUNG prostitutes as a worse thing than sleeping with MALE prostitutes.
Thank you for this beautiful and painful episode
Oof, this one was heartbreaking, def gotta look into his work. Great point at the end, but unfortunately the lack of empathy nowadays doesn't seem to be very interested in learning from past fuckups. I wish people would actually look at this type of thing and wonder who we're doing this shit to these days.
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Once you lose the joy of life, you open yourself of to the reality of suffering. You start to see the world as it is, without any bias. It’s not a perfect world.
suffering is not the correct interpretation to the world. world is not static.
not all are the same.
I hate to tell you mate the only way you ever grow in your life is if you experience true suffering. To live is to suffer and to survive is to find meaning in that suffering
@@matthew-jy5jp what do you mean by grow? Like develop depression and other stuff? Growth shouldn't be seen as a positive thing. It can be very suffocating and keeping you from living and enjoying things. Beauty, happiness, love, joy and passion those on the other hand excite and make you come alive. Suffering is not needed for that. The kind of suffering we see in this world is just an unfortunate circumstance in this world due to all sorts of physical limitations and restrictions imposed on us here. Suffering is a guide that we should use to try to get to a batter way to be
@@matthew-jy5jp That's just what people who have suffered a lot in life say to themselves to cope
The voice of Alain acts like therapy to the soul!
This guy's life completely 180'd
Wilde, Lord Alfred Douglas and Queensbury all converted to Catholicism. So crazy.
R.I.P Oscar Wilde 🕊️🕊️🕊️and happy birthday 🎂
One of my favorite people in history. Tragically misunderstood
Thank you for this. Very interesting, informative and inspiring.
Wilde and Turing (and many others).... What a great shame, the hideous way they were treated.
Alain's voice is the missing piece of "School of Life's" orchestra.
Nice to see a return to form for SOL, I've missed these wholesome inspiring story-like or philosophical topics.
Just a minor historical correction - John Sholto Douglas (Bosie's father and the marquess of Queensberry) didn't invent the revised rules of boxing, rather he was the patron of John Graham Chambers, who created the rules and dedicated them in Queensberry's name.
What a tragic story. Came to the comment section and expected a bunch of homophobia, I'm relieved to see that it's not there. The video said that most people today would be friends with people in Oscar's category but I definitely think it's still a fight that has not been settled.
Oh it's here, just haven't dug deep enough in the comments.
It's great to see a new addition to your Literature playlist. I hope this is the first of several new posts. Speaking personally, I'd like to recommend Fernando Pessoa as a possible subject for a video.
The School of Life.. returns to form.
Devastating but fascinating story. Exquisitely told. Thank you.
a tragedy, for no reason at all, other than love. I hope he rests peacefully. God bless
Wilde certainly played a part in his own downfall. Moving abroad and deceiving his ex wife threw him into poverty.
Wilde’s was naive to think suing someone powerful would be an easy matter.
To be honest, he wasn’t that poor. He was just such irresponsible person.. his friends raised for him 1000 pounds after his release and he just spend it for alcohol and parties within few months. And 1000 pounds was a lot a lot, about 100tausend today. And even after, he received so much money from his friends. Robbie wanted him to rent a flat in Paris, but wanted to stay in a hotel. Mostly bc of Maurice who worked there and Oscar was very much in love.
To the *incredible person* that's seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤ don't ever blame yourself, accept things and go forward. Your smile is precious and the keys to a happy life is in your hands.
"Life is simple. We are complex." RIP good old Oscar.
"We live in an age where Unnecessary things are our only necessities." - Oscar Wilde
Wow I cannot believe it. I read his pieces back in 5th grade and loved him as a writer since. We learned that he died of tuberculosis but this was the tragedy behind it all? I'm so heartbroken.
Gosh.. what an essay school of life 💝💝💝
Wilde is an inspiration, the ballad of reading goal is gut wrenchin. This straight Irish Man says Wilde is our best. Yeats is a bit of an idealist twit. Sent from Streedagh beach,under Benbulbins head
Hey ....I have a question regarding this... why did he say the coward kills his love with a kiss and brave man with a sword?
Lemme guess. He was living wilde.
😂😂😂😂...v
Oscar Wilde was a gift to humanity.
Alain De Botton, sir, this your best video so far. I thoroughly enjoyed it and it inspired me to read Mr. Wilde and Alfred works. Thank you
Those who can walk alone have the strongest direction those who can fly alone have strong wings 💪🦅🦅🦁🦁
Alan Turing deserves more than a pardon. For his services in helping save Britain, he deserves the highest posthumous honours the Crown can bestow upon him.
Yet no one knows his name..
@@siriusedits3058 a lot more know than you think.
This video I waited for soooo long:)) Thank youuuuu! I remember asking for this, so thank you so much!!!!
didn't Queensbury even consider accusations against Wilde might ruin his son as well as destroy Wilde? Some ppl are so toxic, Queensbury musta been a narcissist, maybe abused his own son and was just jealous of someone else's attachment to his son, js
Very well done. 👍👍👍 What does Wilde's story (and those who suffered cultural offenses) say about us as a species?
Let's stop lying to ourselves, Wilde's downfall was completly pointless and I feel a strong dislike towards people who try to rationalise his suffering and make it a pretty story with a moral.
Exactly idk why they're calling it his downfall, it wasn't his fault that society was this f*cked up back then
So so true
We really need a literature video of Jorge Luis Borges
Oscar Wilde--his work is so good. Funny and smart and witty.
I recommend reading The Uncensored Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde, edited by Nicholas Frankel.
How is it any different?
Is that a spider?
@@DavidLopez-tj7jl the difference is that it's uncensored, so you'll read everything Wilde wanted you to. From my understanding, most of the censored parts concern the love/"admiration" Basil felt for Dorian. I haven't read that particular edition, but I read the uncensored one in my native language.
There is still so much confusion regarding homosexuality and its origins. It just augments the pain and the tragedy, rather than resolving the deeper issues. This remains an ongoing problem. One thing is for sure, though, and that it is wrong to celebrate something that is so destructive to individuals.
“Oscar Wilde’s specific behaviour” bruh the language in this video …
So his mistake was being gay? That's depressing...
His mistake was trusting the wrong people
His mistake was to let his emotions get the best of him. Til the last day of his.
Or could also be that he was Irish, a tall poppy and not an Aristocrat.
He liked 15 year old boys ... dont know why you guys defend him..
No, his mistake was sleeping around with stop many men and getting found out
A very witty presentation with an excellent use of visual materials!
Stories like this and Alan Turing are infuriating
Quando nel triennio del liceo linguistico studiavo in letteratura inglese Oscar Wilde e il ritratto di Dorian Gray che per me che sono gay era perfetto da studiare
Compassion for the wife & kids.
Been waiting for this since the time I read the article.
So glad you are doing videos like this once again!
Thanks a lot for this video, i was searching about this man and for a summary for his story.
Really tragic story 😪
Those still deserving of compassion... You mean like the thousands of young female victims ignored by the authorities and the media in Rotherham?
i really felt for Wilde while working my way thru The Picture of Dorian Gray. as a closeted queer person myself it just made my heart sink
so sad, thank you for the film
Please continue this series of literature
that’s why they call it caught wildein’
btw Charles Maturin who wrote Melmoth the Wanderer was Oscar Wilde's great-uncle there could be a connection behind his choice of the name Melmoth in his exile.
Informative .
Thank you for sharing these great videos. I was not aware that this happened to him
Some of the male prostitutes were underage. Conveniently left out of this.
I watch three videos of The School of Life. I am finally learning how to die well.
Please make a video on Abu 'Ali al-Husayn ibn Sina, who is better known in Europe by the Latinized name “Avicenna.” He is probably the most significant philosopher in the Islamic tradition and arguably the most influential philosopher of the pre-modern era.
Wait till yoy find out he's a pedophile
Is anyone from his family is still alive?
That wasn't a downfall for me. It was fate, tragedy. But certainly not the "downfall" of Oscar Wilde. Embracing your nature is a revolution itself and a success even if it costs your freedom. He clearly didn't regret anything.
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Thank You for this video.
I love these style videos
Oscar Wilde. An early example of our history of cancel culture. Built him up, tore home down.
That's the downfall of society not Wilde.
Although I'm all against violence and discrimination for any reason at all, I can't see his story a a sad one. I understand the background and the context of that time and place heavily restricted one's power to choose freely, but still, I can't condone a married person, with children no less, to abandon their family for a third be it man or woman.
For me, Wilde was right in his feelings about having fall in indecency and pleasures, as he was completely conscious he was married and had responsibilities.
I can empathize with his lover, as he was young and inexperienced, but not Wilde. In my eyes, his acts were entirely wrongful.
Hmm would argue Shakespeare was the most famous English writer
Wilde wasn't even English. He's Irish.
Sad AF 😔
"The public has an insatiable curiosity to know everything except that which is worth knowing." - Oscar Wilde
Really good video! If I wasn't subscribed to you already I'd surely do it now.
Oscar Wild was gay?
I honestly had no idea.
I loved that ending where Alain urged us to care for those who are rejected and uncared for, as a way of making up for the harsh wrongs that were done to Oscar Wilde.
It's largely the only thing we can learn/take away from stories like Turing or Wilde. I appreciated the Trans right sign at the end. There are a lot of avenues available to learn about different kinds of people and the struggles they face, and to realize the unfairness of discrimination in many of those cases.
@@objectreborn.artsewing Yes, it's encouraging that people seem very open to trying to understand and care these days. That's great.
how does he know that there's a lack of compassion? How is that measured? Who exactly is guilty of this lack of compassion?
No-one is doing two years hard labour for being an immigrant or being trans in 2021
Unless he was talking about Islamic countries needing more compassion?
@@grai Sadly in Australia, we lock up refugees for years. Some commit suicide as they wait and wait to be allowed into the community.
Thoroughly recommend De Profundis - it’s very moving
If an almost 40 year old man found to have relations with a minor as young as 16, i don't think even in our society we will be able to forgive him, he will be classified as a pedophile.
It’s fantastic to see this channel acknowledge lgbt and trans rights specifically, the channel has helped me a lot and I feel even more loved with this acceptance
Thank you for speaking for those who have been silenced. I now respect this channel significantly more
Be mature enough to accept failure and rejection rejection 🦅💪🦁
I think that Oscar Wilde didn't deserve such an infamy. He was at least a good writer.
Excellent impressive deeply sad story :(
more Oscar Wilde content!!!!