4:29 That was supposed to have been cut, and somehow I let it slip past, pulling back on any talk over some of the Buck Rogers tech that made it to our present day.
You don’t know how blessed I am that all of The Disney Cartoons from The 1920’s are now in The Public Domain. All those Disney Channel Stars, Celebs and Adults gives me the creeps😵💫
What was interesting was watching the Disney Channel in the 90’s when they honored such old time Disney actors as Virginia Davis from the Alice comedies.
Might have been Disney not wanting to worry about various demographics taking issue over depictions of them. Not entirely unfounded, but not entirely reason enough to stop showing them either.
@@joeybaseball7352 I know where you are coming from in that argument. At the same time, I enjoy certain properties’ identities with a brand. That said, Ok, that Snow White and Peter Pan are often directly associated with Disney goes to the problem of being too stiff in their grip on those characters and their stories.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller All of Disney's movies were based on public domain properties. Because back then, it didn't take 95 years for a work to become public domain. It only took 50 years. Snow White and Peter Pan were already public domain for almost 100 years before Disney made his versions of them.
Well, JM Barrie gifted the rights to Peter Pan in 1929, to the Great Ormond Street Hospital, and only became public domain a few years ago. Unclear what such storytellers like Charles Perrault and the brothers Grimm had to claim any protections on the stories they told that Disney picked up, but the fact they picked them up without a mishap says that there were none at that point if they ever did.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller Id argue that it should be shorter because if they were good at keeping that brand identity, then they shouldnt have to fear the works of mickey and such going public because they'd be able to compete with them anyways. A lot of old classic disney movies are public, yet they've been so on top of keeping their versions the "relevant" ones that their brand stays around. Meanwhile something like betty boop or bugs bunny or a lot of other older works would stand to benefit from another group carrying them on, given how badly their brands are managed. A lot of them dont really even have brands anymore for the most part really. As sad as that is to say for example popeye is barely relevant to modern viewers anymore. If a brand is managed well, it should reasonably be able to withstand public domain type competition fairly easily. Most media is kinda just languishing, and a lotta times the brands that still exist arent really even the "same" as they were originally like looney tunes or hannah barberra. If Disney wants to make a live action pinnochio of that movie's quality, they should have tried to live up to their brand power instead of being out competed by del toro's movie for instance.
@@joeybaseball7352 I agree. These longer time frames don’t really benefit creators; they are for the corporations. I think 30 years after the creator’s death is reasonable. And for corps, 30 years after publication.
What's crazy is that even works by George Orwell like _Animal Farm_ and _1984_ have been in the Canadian public domain since 2001, but won't enter the US public domain until 2041/2045.
On Tintin, the situation also gets more complicated because there is a foundation acting as its right holder and which VERY aggressively acts against even small fans. But there is a certain document which proofs that they cannot be the true rights holders as Herge sold the rights to a third person already (who pretty much does not care.) One certain court case was won with that document but the situation stayed calm afterwards. Nobody tried to challenge them otherwise.
Surprised to see so many icons here. Although considering the amount of media they have appeared in the course of a century, it's gonna be difficult to write a story about let's say Tintin without getting close to his further appearances for now
That makes 3 Mickey Mouse shorts in my personal library: Steamboat Willie, Plane Crazy, and The Karnival kid. I also didn't download any of them, I actually bought them on DVD.
I'm not surprised that Buck Rogers made the list since the last mainstream project that utilized the character was the 1979 Gil Gerard TV series and to a lesser extent, a pen-and-paper role-playing game from the makers of Dungeons & Dragons which is set in a ret-conned continuity of the original novel Armageddon 2419. Also, since nobody gave two hoots about the character of Bosko, the name that launched Warner Bros.' Looney Tunes brand (other than the racial undertones).....
@@CharlesK-n6q I think there is potential with Buck Rogers. It will definitely take on a different angle than in the past amid changed perspectives. I covered Bosko in last year’s ‘new to public domain’ video. For all the use of blackface, he could have easily been worse, but was instead a sympathetic character we were meant to root for
@@kcthesledgestoryteller Ah, that's when she was sorta a poodle. I'll wait till the 1933 version is public. I want to make a cute videogame of her featuring some of her adventures.
The Entire Oyl family was in Popeye (1980) Starring Robin Williams, Shelley Duvall, Ray Walston, Paul Dooley, and Paul J. Smith. Wasn't Hell's Bells a Fleischer Brothers Short starring Betty Boop? Oh, Okay I found the one you speak of. But I'm sure Betty's 1934 version will be soon. Just give it 5 Years. now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna watch The Skeleton Dance.
@@LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat I always thought the entire Oyl family in the movie was a fun factor, along with feeling of that era as part of the movie’s theme. What seemed to hold it back from perfection is the pacing and the songs. I still think it’s a fun watch.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller but I thought that public domain meant free right of use as long as it’s within the confines of the subject that’s in public domain. So if I want to use v.1 of Popeye pre-spinach power up on a shirt then would that be fair game?
I'm in my late 20s and I grew up watching Fleischer Popeye cartoons and reading the comics. Some of those comics' political satire is even funnier as an adult and has aged very well.
This "except for belgium" is wrong. In international copyright, there is the idea of the rule of the shorter term. (Basically if its free in the US and not in Belgium, you can use it in the US. If the US would have had a longer copyright term than Belgium, then, the term limit of Belgium would apply".) But in the EU, copyright terms have been harmonised by the EU and due to nobody in the US is involved in it, if you are from an EU country, the belgian term limit applies to you. Not the one from the US.
I’m not enough of a horror fan (mainly a fan of classic horror), and I don’t make to the movie theater nearly enough to have the right insight on the (yeah, pretty broken) Hollywood outlook. As it is, I’ll be playing catch up, after claiming only Godzilla x Kong and Red One for 2024. It’s been mostly the historical insight lately. But who knows what I can figure out on that in the far future.
My kids got a good look at Popeye, and enjoy him some. My son even had in depth talk of proper casting of him. He can’t a Dwayne Johnson type. More a, well, Robin Williams type. Maybe a small minority, but I do believe there are GenZers/GenAlpa-ers that are familiar with.
When they were young, my kids (late 20s now) loved watching Popeye and other period cartoons. My daughter loved Betty Boop, especially the ones with Cab Calloway. She has great taste IMNSHO. But the old cartoons probably won't resonate with many people. That's the great thing about them entering public domain. They can be reimagined for today's audiences.
That was supposed to have been cut, and somehow I let it slip past, pulling back on any talk over some of the Buck Rogers tech that made it to our present day. Thanks for pointing that out.
4:29 That was supposed to have been cut, and somehow I let it slip past, pulling back on any talk over some of the Buck Rogers tech that made it to our present day.
You don’t know how blessed I am that all of The Disney Cartoons from The 1920’s are now in The Public Domain. All those Disney Channel Stars, Celebs and Adults gives me the creeps😵💫
What was interesting was watching the Disney Channel in the 90’s when they honored such old time Disney actors as Virginia Davis from the Alice comedies.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller It was a sad day when the Disney Channel removed Vault Disney. I used to stay up to watch the early parts of it
Might have been Disney not wanting to worry about various demographics taking issue over depictions of them. Not entirely unfounded, but not entirely reason enough to stop showing them either.
All of these should've been in the public domain decades ago. The 95 year timeframe is ridiculous.
@@joeybaseball7352 I know where you are coming from in that argument. At the same time, I enjoy certain properties’ identities with a brand. That said, Ok, that Snow White and Peter Pan are often directly associated with Disney goes to the problem of being too stiff in their grip on those characters and their stories.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller All of Disney's movies were based on public domain properties. Because back then, it didn't take 95 years for a work to become public domain. It only took 50 years. Snow White and Peter Pan were already public domain for almost 100 years before Disney made his versions of them.
Well, JM Barrie gifted the rights to Peter Pan in 1929, to the Great Ormond Street Hospital, and only became public domain a few years ago. Unclear what such storytellers like Charles Perrault and the brothers Grimm had to claim any protections on the stories they told that Disney picked up, but the fact they picked them up without a mishap says that there were none at that point if they ever did.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller Id argue that it should be shorter because if they were good at keeping that brand identity, then they shouldnt have to fear the works of mickey and such going public because they'd be able to compete with them anyways. A lot of old classic disney movies are public, yet they've been so on top of keeping their versions the "relevant" ones that their brand stays around. Meanwhile something like betty boop or bugs bunny or a lot of other older works would stand to benefit from another group carrying them on, given how badly their brands are managed. A lot of them dont really even have brands anymore for the most part really.
As sad as that is to say for example popeye is barely relevant to modern viewers anymore. If a brand is managed well, it should reasonably be able to withstand public domain type competition fairly easily. Most media is kinda just languishing, and a lotta times the brands that still exist arent really even the "same" as they were originally like looney tunes or hannah barberra. If Disney wants to make a live action pinnochio of that movie's quality, they should have tried to live up to their brand power instead of being out competed by del toro's movie for instance.
@@joeybaseball7352 I agree. These longer time frames don’t really benefit creators; they are for the corporations. I think 30 years after the creator’s death is reasonable. And for corps, 30 years after publication.
I just realized that any musicians and singers out there can do their own versions of "The Best of the 20s."
What's crazy is that even works by George Orwell like _Animal Farm_ and _1984_ have been in the Canadian public domain since 2001, but won't enter the US public domain until 2041/2045.
On Tintin, the situation also gets more complicated because there is a foundation acting as its right holder and which VERY aggressively acts against even small fans. But there is a certain document which proofs that they cannot be the true rights holders as Herge sold the rights to a third person already (who pretty much does not care.) One certain court case was won with that document but the situation stayed calm afterwards. Nobody tried to challenge them otherwise.
Thanks for that insight
Surprised to see so many icons here. Although considering the amount of media they have appeared in the course of a century, it's gonna be difficult to write a story about let's say Tintin without getting close to his further appearances for now
Might work best to make any work with Tintin a period piece. Thanks for the comment.
Finding his voice is public domain for years.
If people want to reduce copyright terms again, they're gonna have to vote for a Supreme Court to overturn it.
That makes 3 Mickey Mouse shorts in my personal library: Steamboat Willie, Plane Crazy, and The Karnival kid. I also didn't download any of them, I actually bought them on DVD.
I'm not surprised that Buck Rogers made the list since the last mainstream project that utilized the character was the 1979 Gil Gerard TV series and to a lesser extent, a pen-and-paper role-playing game from the makers of Dungeons & Dragons which is set in a ret-conned continuity of the original novel Armageddon 2419.
Also, since nobody gave two hoots about the character of Bosko, the name that launched Warner Bros.' Looney Tunes brand (other than the racial undertones).....
@@CharlesK-n6q I think there is potential with Buck Rogers. It will definitely take on a different angle than in the past amid changed perspectives.
I covered Bosko in last year’s ‘new to public domain’ video. For all the use of blackface, he could have easily been worse, but was instead a sympathetic character we were meant to root for
So when is Betty Boop going to be public domain?
Next year, in fact. That applies to her 1930 design and all cartoons released that year.
True and I'm excited for it.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller Ah, that's when she was sorta a poodle. I'll wait till the 1933 version is public. I want to make a cute videogame of her featuring some of her adventures.
In Canada and Europe "Betty Boop" won't enter the public domain until around Jan. 1, 2061.
Yeah. That's still a long ways off from now.
Where did you get that copy of jungle rhythm?
Screen recorded off of archive.org/details/jungle-rhythm_1929
@@kcthesledgestoryteller and you screen recorded it instead of saving time and increasing quality by just downloading it because...
@@awesomeferret Time saving. I’ll look into doing more of the downloading for that in the future.
The Entire Oyl family was in Popeye (1980) Starring Robin Williams, Shelley Duvall, Ray Walston, Paul Dooley, and Paul J. Smith. Wasn't Hell's Bells a Fleischer Brothers Short starring Betty Boop? Oh, Okay I found the one you speak of. But I'm sure Betty's 1934 version will be soon. Just give it 5 Years. now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna watch The Skeleton Dance.
@@LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat I always thought the entire Oyl family in the movie was a fun factor, along with feeling of that era as part of the movie’s theme. What seemed to hold it back from perfection is the pacing and the songs. I still think it’s a fun watch.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller Agreed it is a fun watch
could you give me an example of how I could actually use these? Great content!
@@julianyume most of the movies can be watched on TH-cam, all that and comics can also be found at archive.org/details/moviesandfilms
@ what about making apparel? Say a t shirt or a hat?
@ You just have to be mindful if the imagery has been trademarked.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller but I thought that public domain meant free right of use as long as it’s within the confines of the subject that’s in public domain. So if I want to use v.1 of Popeye pre-spinach power up on a shirt then would that be fair game?
@ It’s murky for the layman. That’s where I have to recommend professional legal advice
I'm in my late 20s and I grew up watching Fleischer Popeye cartoons and reading the comics. Some of those comics' political satire is even funnier as an adult and has aged very well.
It's Slasher Time
Does the uk get Popeye as well
@rysiekhulkedinburgh6745 Based on: Copyright expires 70 years after the death of the last surviving author or creator - yes
Popeye has already been public domain in the UK and Europe for a while now.
@@NightFangClash Popeye has also been in the Canadian public domain since 1989.
This "except for belgium" is wrong. In international copyright, there is the idea of the rule of the shorter term. (Basically if its free in the US and not in Belgium, you can use it in the US. If the US would have had a longer copyright term than Belgium, then, the term limit of Belgium would apply".) But in the EU, copyright terms have been harmonised by the EU and due to nobody in the US is involved in it, if you are from an EU country, the belgian term limit applies to you. Not the one from the US.
And as far as I get it, the same is true for Canada and that Absolutely-Not-Austria place with marsupials...
So can Danes use steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse?
@Nasir3623 Just checked - a works hits public domain in Denmark after 70 years. So yes.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller so it fair game in 2025
@@Nasir3623 Yes
List of terrible upcoming horror movies
I’m not enough of a horror fan (mainly a fan of classic horror), and I don’t make to the movie theater nearly enough to have the right insight on the (yeah, pretty broken) Hollywood outlook. As it is, I’ll be playing catch up, after claiming only Godzilla x Kong and Red One for 2024. It’s been mostly the historical insight lately. But who knows what I can figure out on that in the far future.
Those movies will flop at the box office anyway.
not sure how many of these characters will resonate in modern times...like have kids ever seen a sailor's uniform?
My kids got a good look at Popeye, and enjoy him some. My son even had in depth talk of proper casting of him. He can’t a Dwayne Johnson type. More a, well, Robin Williams type. Maybe a small minority, but I do believe there are GenZers/GenAlpa-ers that are familiar with.
They have if they watch anime.
When they were young, my kids (late 20s now) loved watching Popeye and other period cartoons. My daughter loved Betty Boop, especially the ones with Cab Calloway. She has great taste IMNSHO. But the old cartoons probably won't resonate with many people. That's the great thing about them entering public domain. They can be reimagined for today's audiences.
Donald Duck still wears a sailor's uniform, even in the modern Disney cartoons, and he's going to enter the public domain on Jan. 1, 2030.
@@kcthesledgestoryteller A lot of us Gen. Zers grew up watching public domain Popeye cartoons, even Max Flesicher's _Gulliver's Travels._
Most people generally don't care about works that are from more than 50 years ago, so none of this is really a big deal.
"Some of this stuff exists now, but..." but what? Care to re-render and re-upload? If not, please at least pin a comment.
That was supposed to have been cut, and somehow I let it slip past, pulling back on any talk over some of the Buck Rogers tech that made it to our present day. Thanks for pointing that out.