Perhaps the Sudeten Germans should seek compensation from the German and Austrian Governments. These are the nations that propagated the war. When you think of all the Jewish people who had their property and belongings stolen by the Nazis and have not been compensated then this makes the Sudeten Germans' claims distasteful. There are still Jewish owned artworks on display in museums in Vienna.
Convenient how you forgot to mention the apartheid system established by Czechoslovakia after the collapse of Austria-Hungary. One can hardly blame the ethnic Germans who suddenly found themselves marginalised and discriminated against for wanting to take back control of their lands. Your mastery of hindsight is extremely convenient.
@@10akaufmann Funny you should ay that because clearly you are incorrect. Minority rights were protected under the law and the constitution of Czechoslovakia. Act No. 121/1920 Sb. (The Constitution) guaranteed equal rights of all peoples; religion and language could not be an obstacle to employment; use of languages was protected; guaranteed right to education in native languages; guaranteed state support for municipalities with significant minority populations. The Act No. 122/1920 Sb (Language Law) further protected the rights to use of language and allowed political assembly and parties even with anti-Czech agendas. This freedom to political assembly led to The pro-Nazi Sudeten German Party gaining 88% of ethnic German votes in May 1938 elections just prior to its annexation. So "being German" was more important to Sudeten Germans than allying itself to a tyrannical regime which by 1938 had really shown its true colours. Germany and Germans really are the pariahs of 20th century history.
@@Kaiserbill99 If Czechoslovakia was so great, why did the National Socialists enjoy such support amongst Germans? Why? Your attitude demonstrates the same mentality as the Czech fascists, who murdered 300,000 Germans after the war and deported the rest. Not what I call the hallmark of a "democracy", which Czechoslovakia claimed to be. Nowadays, we call it ethnic cleansing, and it's illegal under international law. Expelling 3 million of the most industrious and productive citizens is also somewhat ironic, not to mention the Czech Republic's contemporary reliance on investment from its "pariah" neighbour, without which its economy would no doubt falter. Benes deserves to roast in hell for what he did. I'm proud to say I spat on his statue when I went to Prague.
@@10akaufmann you clearly know nothing about the history of the sudetenland in czechoslovakia and you believe blatant nationalistic lies without giving them a second thought. Not to mention, you clearly dont care about the discrimination faced by the czechs for over 400 years at the hands of the germans, and suddenly we should feel sorry for you?
Can anyone direct me to English-speaking Sudetens? My mother and her family was expelled from German-Bohemia when she was around 4 years old just after WWII from a former city called Gratzen.
From wikipedia: On 4 December 1938 there were elections in Reichsgau Sudetenland, in which 97.32% of the adult population voted for NSDAP. About a half million Sudeten Germans joined the Nazi Party which was 17.34% of the total German population in the Sudetenland (the average NSDAP membership participation in Germany was merely 7.85% in 1944). This means the Sudetenland was one of the most pro-Nazi regions of the Third Reich.[ Because of their knowledge of the Czech language, many Sudeten Germans were employed in the administration of the ethnic Czech Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia as well as in Nazi organizations (Gestapo, etc.). The most notable was Karl Hermann Frank: the SS and Police general and Secretary of State in the Protectorate. And you ask why the Sudeten Germans were expelled?
Germans lived in the Region for almost as long as Czechs (who literally invited them), there was no moral reason to expell them, you had the power to do so and you did. Thats fine but dont try to come up with "oh we had to expell them becouse they were mean Nazis". Well at least most of the refugees could live free of Communism in Austria or West Germany ;)
@@patriciabrenner9216 Cry more, you probably have German ancectry but still seethe at Germans like they destroyed your life. Im starting to think you guys deserved Communism.
@@patriciabrenner9216 Well, then why are you here inserting yourself in a dispute between Czechs and Germans? Back out here dividing Europeans? Also what is a "Polish Jew" lmao? You are most likley Sephardic or Ashkenazi, not Polish tho. I have nothing against Poles, they are catholic brothers for all that im concerned. Btw I hope Hamas blows your little arpartheid State in to oblivion (in minecraft).
@@seas1829 Czechs moved in in the 6th or 7th century, those Germans you are talking about came mostly in the 17th and 18th centuries. I wouldn't call a 1000+ year difference "almost as long". Someone will immediately jump on this and say, "but Germans were invited in the 13th century", Yes they were, except that they were all expelled 150 years later in the 1420's (Hussite Wars). The reason for their expulsion post WWII was twofold. 1. It was likely that Germany will never pay any reparations for all the gold, machinery & material stolen during the occupation, not even talking about the use of slave labor. And turns out they never did (Czech position was that they use what is owed to compensate the expellees, which they didn't do either). And 2. Since the 7th century the border region was key to defending the interior. Before the Munich ultimatum, the Czech's had said that if they cede this region they will be defenseless, Germany replied that it would be their last territorial demand. Guess what happened next. So as long as a German majority lived in the area there'd be a threat this situation could repeat itself in the future. There were actually 3 expulsions of the Germans in Czechia's history. In the 10th, 15th and 20th centuries. In each instance the reason was always the same, in that instead of being loyal to the people who welcomed them, they sided and assisted the invaders.
In the mid 1800s, there was a town called Budweis in modern Czechia, where Germans and Czechs lived together as Budweisers. Everyone spoke German and Czech interchangeably, and lived together in relative peace. Then came the Czech nationalists who rejected the idea that "in Budweis, we are all Budweisers", and demanded the Czechs deserve more than the wealthier Germans; mob violence broke out, homes destroyed, businesses looted, crops burnt. In return, the Germans likewise thought of themselves as Germans, rather than Budweisers. This was an event that sparked the flame that would eventually lead to the complete disintegration of the formerly peaceful and united nature of German-Czech relations.
Stop lying you pathetic piece of shit. Czech language went nearly extinct because of your superior almighty Germans. You are just a lying biased swine.
Interesting story. I’m half German half Brazilian. My father’s family is from Gradlitz or Choustníkovo Hradiště and we have family records that prove that we lived there since the 17 century. My grandfather and his siblings had to flee back then. It’s sad to see and I understand the hatred. It nevertheless hurts.
Please note that this comment is a heavily twisted version of events, obviously twisted to make the czechs look worse, and in reality the situation between the czechs and germans in czechia was much more complicated.
Well for me as a half Moravian and half German this statement is unbelievably tendencious and stupid. I have to laugh. It seems you totally avoided mentioning German Pangermanism, Drang nach Osten etc. Do not dare to judge if you don't know anything about this very complicated history of two nations in our Czech lands
@@davidknichal6629 all that mess started after WWI the sudetes wanted to be a part of germany(and austria) from the very beginning but the entente didn't want germany to gain too much power. thats why they dismantled austria hungary as bad as they could. the result is being second class citizens in a slavic majority country. whats the fucking point in giving majority german territories to totally foreign nations like italy and czech republic? to destabilize the region even more. your arguments are the same that the turks used as an excuse for the biggest genocide by the time, "armenians and greeks were russian collaborationists they deserved it".. cmon
My Grandmother was a Czech and was expelled from Sudetenland, where our family lived more than 420 yrs. What about this case? Our family got no compensation from nazi-germany. Btw Czech Rep got no compensation from Germany in general.
Are the Germans going to compensate first Czechs who were expelled from a home where they lived for centuries first? Including the families of Czechs and Jews who were murdered by the Germans?
actually the kings of Bohemia settled the Germans there on purpose because it was very sparcly populated and they wanted to better Bohemias economy with skilled german immigrants. Please do your research!!!
@@southernbohemian1 yes but you asked if the Germans would compensate the Czechs who were expelled from their home where they lived for centuries. Well the amount of Czechs who were expelled from the Sudetenland is relatively low (not saying the expulsions were justified) so what is the point of your comment???
@@joesmith754 Exactly. And the "amounts" Czechs that were expelled and turned into slaves for the Third Reich for six years, including my father, as well as Czechs and Jews who were murdered by Germans were relatively low too, so why bother asking Germany for compensations for these crimes.
My mother, six-years-old living in Fullstein in Moravia near the Polish border, expelled in 1946 with her mother and older brother under the Benes decrees. Probably for the better given that a Communist coup took over in 1948. Czechs took great zeal in expelling German civilians but failed in defending their country from a communist regime.
And how do you proof something like that in a time with no internet? With secret elections?! Not everybody in the DAF was a Nazi, they just had to be in that union for work and most people weren't part of the NSDAP either way. But nearly all germans were deported, seems kind of suspicious
@@ferdisishere Correction, there are no Sudeten Germans anymore. They were all expelled, not a single one stayed. But atleast it prevented a civil war later on.
That area was never Czech - it was Austro-Hungarian (German) and the allies gave it to the Czech state after WW1. The Germans that lived there suffered daily under the Czechs and the annexation of the Sudetenland was their homecoming and liberation -- not a "nazi" grab for lands they didn't have claim to. What happened to these poor people after the war was inexcusable.
@@history_lives6749 The Sudeten Germans supported the Nazi regime. Unfortunately, in light of the abuses and occupation suffered by the Czech people and the entirety of Europe, it would have been impossible for Germans to remain. I hate to say it but the Germans really did deserve it. It was a war they chose to start and support, and they lost.
What about compensation to the Czechs for what the Germans did? The Sudeten Germans welcomed the Nazi's and threw rose petals in the streets as their black boots marched through and took the country. What about the amount of Jews that they were responsible for turning over to the Nazis to be sent to concentration camps. They were collaborators who not only welcomed the Nazi invasion, but before that, they wanted to secede from Czechoslovakia even before the war.... Expelling them was a bit harsh, but compensation? Please! What a joke of a report...
What about the discrimination the Czechoslovak government imposed on the German population in the 20s and 30s? History isn't one dimensional, unlike your viewpoint.
Wow, the level of ignorance you display is incredible. Don’t assume one video is true for all my families. My grandmother and her family fled Sudetenland planning to meet up again when hitler came in and were never reunited. Only sympathizers we’re okay with the nazis invading, doesn’t hold true for the thousands of families separated by hitler and his horrific actions.
@@10akaufmann discrimination? You have to be kidding. The germans had more minority rights probably then any other minority in history. There was little to no discrimination by czechs, which is completely different to the 400 years of discrimination they received by the germans.
I have both German and Czech ancestry, but I felt the Czechs were smart to force the Germans back out. They were not with the country during the war, they gave Nazis information as much as they could, and according to family that lived there at the time, they thought they were going to take the whole country over and treated the Czechs like trash until Germany started losing the war. Its said that Germans gave false information and created the massacre of Lidice, as well as many acted as spies for the Germans that had invaded and occupied the country at the time. Who wants traders in their country???
Check your facts, these people were German speaking, German Culture. Words like collaboration are wrong these people are and remain German, the Czechs are the occupiers here.
@@mercomania I am aware they were Germans,there was no doubt. Sudetenland was a phrase copped after the Austrian Hungary Empire collapsed, and the areas were inhabited by Germans only because the Empire allowed them to. But when the Empire was dismembered, which had become dominated by Germans, the borders (which had been altered ever since the birth of Bohemia while the Celts still resided until the influx of Slavic people overtook the lands). A big part of Czech culture is a lot like German, (food, music, etc) and when the immigrants from both countries migrated here to America, they flocked together as well as the Polish because they understood each others language, but mainly because they were ridiculed by other nationalities over taking jobs etc, and treated in many cases like trash. Do not allow my comment to offend you, like I stated, after a DNA test, and both artifacts and folklore from past family, I have both German and Czech ancestry. My research over ten years has taught me that much of Bohemia was western Slavic, but they also devoured into what was Germanic tribes that had occupied the area, as well as leftover Celtic tribes called Boii, which is where Bohemia was given its name by Rome. It is very common for Czechs to have DNA from both Germans and even a halo group found in only modern Celts.I love the cultures of both peoples, and for years I think they coexisted and lived happily around each other, but being betrayed by what you feel is because of cultural status, will make it hard to ever trust again. That being said, no one today should allow the past to dictate the future, being cautious is one thing, but being resentful breeds nothing but chaos, and hate, exactly what led to almost every war there ever was....
@@tavish4699 It was a country of Czechs and Germans (Austrians). Czechs, Austrians and Germans share the same culture. So there is no point to argue which land it was.
Only the Sudetenlanders and the Germans of Brandenburg, Prussia and Saxony lost lands after WWII. The rest of the Germans paid no territorial price for what they did in WWII. It is up to the unpunished Germans of the rest of Germany to compensate them.
@@bensonmoor9351 Some Germans did fight alongside the Czechs ! At least 2 of the postwar Cabinet were ethnic Germans, including Klement Gottwald and Bedrich Geminder
@@riceuteneuer2678 Ric its just a name what makes them to be german in your eys. Do you think that czechs are ethnically slavs ? no they are not. They lived so many centuries alongside of germans so they are more genetically germans than slavs. It doesnt mean they are germans. what makes them to be czechs ? the language and the culture thats all. In Czechia many people has german name or the czech version of german name including me. If it were not Czech national revival in 19 century we would all speak German today.
Nearly 3 million Sudeten Germans were ethnically cleansed from the Czech Republic. At least 300.000 mostly women, children and elderly Sudeten Germans were killed.
Politics made this happen. The people mostly lived in peace, side by side, until an Assassin took Archduke Ferdinand's life. Bohemia was a multi ethnic country with much cooperation between communities. The German population fought alongside Czechs in wars over hundreds of years defending Bohemian interests. German industry flourished in Bohemia. They innovated and created an community and an economy that was stripped of them, and they were cast aside. Hundreds of years of history and family vanquished over these decrees. Yes, SOME Germans held their German pride too high and aligned with Germany during WW2. They were also against Prussia and saw it as a lesser evil in a larger ally that was ALSO German for WW1. So what? My heritage left there in 1914. PRIOR to these atrocities. I can honestly say we saw it coming. Our relatives established and grew their communities in the Northern Sudentens, and fell to only to having German Heritage by the Benes decrees. I can't find any relatives IN that area today and my heart feels empty as their 200 years+ of traceable lineage of family labor and efforts were wiped away with name changes to towns, and their homes and businesses were re appropriated. Heirlooms of decent family history being trashed by people who've had no "skin in the game" and freely associate Nazi rule with ANYONE from this area with Germanic decent is just wrong. Forced to wear an "N" armband is no better than being forced to wear a Star of David. Just SO wrong in many ways. Politics are just evil.
not just Sudeten Germans all ethnic Germans in the 1st republic ,the only ethnic Germans to somewhat escape were those in Ruthenia and that was because it went to the Ukraine
Going by Wilson's 14 points. It should never have been given to Czechoslovakia. It was going to cause an issue which it invariably did. Likewise Memel was Annexed by Lithuania. Danzig was separated from East Prussia. Helen & Malmedy were given to Belgium. South Tyrol was given to Italy. The 14 points were not worth the paper they were written on. The Treatys after WW1 indirectly caused WW2.
All blame lays at the Western Allies like USA, UK and France, who carved up Europe after World War 1 ! They draw lines as borders and made states inside states. Or states out of combined private property like small kingdoms etc. After this people didn't 'belong' to there landlord but to a State. Kingsdoms etc. had land all over Europe. So when drawing borders, suddenly German speakers now lived in Checkia. The same situation in Poland, Italy, Hungary, Romania, France, Belgium. It is the Western Powers to blame. Let them pay there burden.
Germans immigrated to czechia and suddenly the slight german majority (and even minority) areas, that have belonged to czechia for millennia should be part of germany? How would you feel if majority turkish areas of germany became part of turkey?
@@phornthip1991 yes, you are correct. They were NEVER the original inhabitants of the land and merely immigrated there. Also most of the Germans settled there in the 18th - 19th centuries and not in the 12th century. You have no idea what you’re talking about
@@floppypancakes9509 Slavs are Immigrants in central Europe by your logic. Goths, vandals, heruli, Burgundians, Bavarians lived there before you lots migrated over. You clearly don't know what a millenia is
@@amadiohastruck4331 yeah and by that logic the germanic people are also immigrants as there were others in Europe before them. Treating the world like this makes no sense.
@@patriciabrenner9216 what are you talking about? The sudetenland was ethnic german so if they expelled or murders they're neighbors they would've been murdering and expelling germans
@@megaliidea1919 Not at all. There were a lot of Czech and Jews in the Sudetenland. There were also Slovaks, Hungarians etc. Germans may have been a majority but there were a lot of others. These were despoiled by the damn Sudeten Germans, and a lot murdered. You seem to ignore what you are talking about.
@@patriciabrenner9216 the removal of these minorities were not the work of the local sudeten germans. Rather its the fault of the german leadership in berlin. You cant blame the local sudeten germans for these atrocities . Blame the nazis. How am I ignoring what I am talking about?
@@heartsofiron4ever And the Germans who were invited by those kings (and lived in the borderlands) were all expelled in the 15th century when they sided with the invading Crusaders who tried to genocide the Czech population. Try to dig a little and look at the history of any border town. 500 years later history repeated itself...
@@heartsofiron4ever The Hussite Wars. There were 5 crusades launched against Bohemia. It was all of Europe but 90% of neighboring German states, duchies etc that participated.
@@valorum999 the Hussite wars definitely didn't result in German "colonization" since various Bohemian nobles and even the moderate Hussite factions fought alongside the German
MY grandmother was from this region. She didnt consider herself German but Austrian since it was Austrian until the end of WW1.
Australian :D
@Indigenous Advocate. Duh
Austrians are germans
It wasnt Austrian. It was still Bohemia kingdom in Austria-Hungary empire.
Czechia for the czechs, Austria for the austrians, never return!
Perhaps the Sudeten Germans should seek compensation from the German and Austrian Governments. These are the nations that propagated the war. When you think of all the Jewish people who had their property and belongings stolen by the Nazis and have not been compensated then this makes the Sudeten Germans' claims distasteful. There are still Jewish owned artworks on display in museums in Vienna.
Convenient how you forgot to mention the apartheid system established by Czechoslovakia after the collapse of Austria-Hungary. One can hardly blame the ethnic Germans who suddenly found themselves marginalised and discriminated against for wanting to take back control of their lands. Your mastery of hindsight is extremely convenient.
@@10akaufmann Funny you should ay that because clearly you are incorrect. Minority rights were protected under the law and the constitution of Czechoslovakia. Act No. 121/1920 Sb. (The Constitution) guaranteed equal rights of all peoples; religion and language could not be an obstacle to employment; use of languages was protected; guaranteed right to education in native languages; guaranteed state support for municipalities with significant minority populations. The Act No. 122/1920 Sb (Language Law) further protected the rights to use of language and allowed political assembly and parties even with anti-Czech agendas.
This freedom to political assembly led to The pro-Nazi Sudeten German Party gaining 88% of ethnic German votes in May 1938 elections just prior to its annexation. So "being German" was more important to Sudeten Germans than allying itself to a tyrannical regime which by 1938 had really shown its true colours.
Germany and Germans really are the pariahs of 20th century history.
@@Kaiserbill99 If Czechoslovakia was so great, why did the National Socialists enjoy such support amongst Germans? Why? Your attitude demonstrates the same mentality as the Czech fascists, who murdered 300,000 Germans after the war and deported the rest. Not what I call the hallmark of a "democracy", which Czechoslovakia claimed to be. Nowadays, we call it ethnic cleansing, and it's illegal under international law. Expelling 3 million of the most industrious and productive citizens is also somewhat ironic, not to mention the Czech Republic's contemporary reliance on investment from its "pariah" neighbour, without which its economy would no doubt falter. Benes deserves to roast in hell for what he did. I'm proud to say I spat on his statue when I went to Prague.
@@10akaufmann you clearly know nothing about the history of the sudetenland in czechoslovakia and you believe blatant nationalistic lies without giving them a second thought. Not to mention, you clearly dont care about the discrimination faced by the czechs for over 400 years at the hands of the germans, and suddenly we should feel sorry for you?
sure, we should made a 10 year old sudeten girl acountable for joining a foreign regime.... justifying genocides because it was the right one?...
Can anyone direct me to English-speaking Sudetens? My mother and her family was expelled from German-Bohemia when she was around 4 years old just after WWII from a former city called Gratzen.
My father was expelled as well. He was from Velky Hubenov.
My great grandfather came from Bohemia to West Germany as an orphan, probably because his parents were murdered.
@@jonasrmb01 Oh well, after murdering and stealing from their neighbors. I guess they didn't expect to get it back.
From wikipedia: On 4 December 1938 there were elections in Reichsgau Sudetenland, in which 97.32% of the adult population voted for NSDAP. About a half million Sudeten Germans joined the Nazi Party which was 17.34% of the total German population in the Sudetenland (the average NSDAP membership participation in Germany was merely 7.85% in 1944). This means the Sudetenland was one of the most pro-Nazi regions of the Third Reich.[ Because of their knowledge of the Czech language, many Sudeten Germans were employed in the administration of the ethnic Czech Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia as well as in Nazi organizations (Gestapo, etc.). The most notable was Karl Hermann Frank: the SS and Police general and Secretary of State in the Protectorate.
And you ask why the Sudeten Germans were expelled?
Germans lived in the Region for almost as long as Czechs (who literally invited them), there was no moral reason to expell them, you had the power to do so and you did. Thats fine but dont try to come up with "oh we had to expell them becouse they were mean Nazis". Well at least most of the refugees could live free of Communism in Austria or West Germany ;)
@@seas1829 a pity so many of these Nazi supporters survived.
@@patriciabrenner9216 Cry more, you probably have German ancectry but still seethe at Germans like they destroyed your life. Im starting to think you guys deserved Communism.
@@patriciabrenner9216 Well, then why are you here inserting yourself in a dispute between Czechs and Germans? Back out here dividing Europeans? Also what is a "Polish Jew" lmao? You are most likley Sephardic or Ashkenazi, not Polish tho. I have nothing against Poles, they are catholic brothers for all that im concerned.
Btw I hope Hamas blows your little arpartheid State in to oblivion (in minecraft).
@@seas1829 Czechs moved in in the 6th or 7th century, those Germans you are talking about came mostly in the 17th and 18th centuries. I wouldn't call a 1000+ year difference "almost as long". Someone will immediately jump on this and say, "but Germans were invited in the 13th century", Yes they were, except that they were all expelled 150 years later in the 1420's (Hussite Wars).
The reason for their expulsion post WWII was twofold. 1. It was likely that Germany will never pay any reparations for all the gold, machinery & material stolen during the occupation, not even talking about the use of slave labor. And turns out they never did (Czech position was that they use what is owed to compensate the expellees, which they didn't do either). And 2. Since the 7th century the border region was key to defending the interior. Before the Munich ultimatum, the Czech's had said that if they cede this region they will be defenseless, Germany replied that it would be their last territorial demand. Guess what happened next. So as long as a German majority lived in the area there'd be a threat this situation could repeat itself in the future.
There were actually 3 expulsions of the Germans in Czechia's history. In the 10th, 15th and 20th centuries. In each instance the reason was always the same, in that instead of being loyal to the people who welcomed them, they sided and assisted the invaders.
In the mid 1800s, there was a town called Budweis in modern Czechia, where Germans and Czechs lived together as Budweisers. Everyone spoke German and Czech interchangeably, and lived together in relative peace. Then came the Czech nationalists who rejected the idea that "in Budweis, we are all Budweisers", and demanded the Czechs deserve more than the wealthier Germans; mob violence broke out, homes destroyed, businesses looted, crops burnt. In return, the Germans likewise thought of themselves as Germans, rather than Budweisers. This was an event that sparked the flame that would eventually lead to the complete disintegration of the formerly peaceful and united nature of German-Czech relations.
Stop lying you pathetic piece of shit. Czech language went nearly extinct because of your superior almighty Germans. You are just a lying biased swine.
Interesting story. I’m half German half Brazilian. My father’s family is from Gradlitz or Choustníkovo Hradiště and we have family records that prove that we lived there since the 17 century. My grandfather and his siblings had to flee back then. It’s sad to see and I understand the hatred. It nevertheless hurts.
Please note that this comment is a heavily twisted version of events, obviously twisted to make the czechs look worse, and in reality the situation between the czechs and germans in czechia was much more complicated.
Well for me as a half Moravian and half German this statement is unbelievably tendencious and stupid. I have to laugh. It seems you totally avoided mentioning German Pangermanism, Drang nach Osten etc. Do not dare to judge if you don't know anything about this very complicated history of two nations in our Czech lands
@@davidknichal6629 all that mess started after WWI the sudetes wanted to be a part of germany(and austria) from the very beginning but the entente didn't want germany to gain too much power. thats why they dismantled austria hungary as bad as they could. the result is being second class citizens in a slavic majority country. whats the fucking point in giving majority german territories to totally foreign nations like italy and czech republic? to destabilize the region even more.
your arguments are the same that the turks used as an excuse for the biggest genocide by the time, "armenians and greeks were russian collaborationists they deserved it".. cmon
My Grandmother was a Czech and was expelled from Sudetenland, where our family lived more than 420 yrs. What about this case? Our family got no compensation from nazi-germany. Btw Czech Rep got no compensation from Germany in general.
agree.........Good way of STEELING by the CZECH GOV.
@@peterpamlockwood ? Did you understand what I was writing?
Thats not true czech got many reparations
That is not true, compensations to Czechoslovakia were paid with all the belongings of Germans in Czechoslovakia.
Complain to the USSR for that, that's not germany's problem, germany would've paid reparations in USSR accepted them but they didn't
Are the Germans going to compensate first Czechs who were expelled from a home where they lived for centuries first? Including the families of Czechs and Jews who were murdered by the Germans?
actually the kings of Bohemia settled the Germans there on purpose because it was very sparcly populated and they wanted to better Bohemias economy with skilled german immigrants. Please do your research!!!
@@joesmith754 No kidding? Tell me something I don't know.
@@southernbohemian1 yes but you asked if the Germans would compensate the Czechs who were expelled from their home where they lived for centuries. Well the amount of Czechs who were expelled from the Sudetenland is relatively low (not saying the expulsions were justified) so what is the point of your comment???
@@joesmith754 Exactly. And the "amounts" Czechs that were expelled and turned into slaves for the Third Reich for six years, including my father, as well as Czechs and Jews who were murdered by Germans were relatively low too, so why bother asking Germany for compensations for these crimes.
@@southernbohemian1 then don't act like a idiot
My mother, six-years-old living in Fullstein in Moravia near the Polish border, expelled in 1946 with her mother and older brother under the Benes decrees. Probably for the better given that a Communist coup took over in 1948. Czechs took great zeal in expelling German civilians but failed in defending their country from a communist regime.
They should stop crying as they said the germans who didnt support nazis could stay and their stuff wasnt confiscated
And how do you proof something like that in a time with no internet? With secret elections?! Not everybody in the DAF was a Nazi, they just had to be in that union for work and most people weren't part of the NSDAP either way. But nearly all germans were deported, seems kind of suspicious
Blud the ones who didnt support nazis were also expelled, now there is just 20k of Sudeten Germans
@@ferdisishere Correction, there are no Sudeten Germans anymore. They were all expelled, not a single one stayed. But atleast it prevented a civil war later on.
@JanSvrčina-l3v That's simply not true, I live in the area and don't know a single person who came from Germans...
I think they had what was coming to them. There is no way the Czech's could have allowed them to remain after they Sudetens supported the Nazis
That area was never Czech - it was Austro-Hungarian (German) and the allies gave it to the Czech state after WW1. The Germans that lived there suffered daily under the Czechs and the annexation of the Sudetenland was their homecoming and liberation -- not a "nazi" grab for lands they didn't have claim to. What happened to these poor people after the war was inexcusable.
@@history_lives6749 The Sudeten Germans supported the Nazi regime. Unfortunately, in light of the abuses and occupation suffered by the Czech people and the entirety of Europe, it would have been impossible for Germans to remain. I hate to say it but the Germans really did deserve it. It was a war they chose to start and support, and they lost.
These parts belonged to the Lands of the Bohemian Crown do not lie my friend. You are simply embarassing.
@@davidknichal6629 you dog
@@davidknichal6629 You child, David. You will call me BLACK beard you dog, until I have rid the comments of your awesome words.
What about compensation to the Czechs for what the Germans did? The Sudeten Germans welcomed the Nazi's and threw rose petals in the streets as their black boots marched through and took the country.
What about the amount of Jews that they were responsible for turning over to the Nazis to be sent to concentration camps.
They were collaborators who not only welcomed the Nazi invasion, but before that, they wanted to secede from Czechoslovakia even before the war....
Expelling them was a bit harsh, but compensation? Please! What a joke of a report...
What about the discrimination the Czechoslovak government imposed on the German population in the 20s and 30s? History isn't one dimensional, unlike your viewpoint.
Wow, the level of ignorance you display is incredible. Don’t assume one video is true for all my families. My grandmother and her family fled Sudetenland planning to meet up again when hitler came in and were never reunited. Only sympathizers we’re okay with the nazis invading, doesn’t hold true for the thousands of families separated by hitler and his horrific actions.
@@10akaufmann discrimination? You have to be kidding. The germans had more minority rights probably then any other minority in history. There was little to no discrimination by czechs, which is completely different to the 400 years of discrimination they received by the germans.
We can fit this example well with current Russia Ukraine conflict ! Isent it ?
@@10akaufmann Germans were just bitter that they were not dominating the land as they for several centuries.
I have both German and Czech ancestry, but I felt the Czechs were smart to force the Germans back out. They were not with the country during the war, they gave Nazis information as much as they could, and according to family that lived there at the time, they thought they were going to take the whole country over and treated the Czechs like trash until Germany started losing the war. Its said that Germans gave false information and created the massacre of Lidice, as well as many acted as spies for the Germans that had invaded and occupied the country at the time. Who wants traders in their country???
Check your facts, these people were German speaking, German Culture. Words like collaboration are wrong these people are and remain German, the Czechs are the occupiers here.
@@mercomania I am aware they were Germans,there was no doubt. Sudetenland was a phrase copped after the Austrian Hungary Empire collapsed, and the areas were inhabited by Germans only because the Empire allowed them to. But when the Empire was dismembered, which had become dominated by Germans, the borders (which had been altered ever since the birth of Bohemia while the Celts still resided until the influx of Slavic people overtook the lands). A big part of Czech culture is a lot like German, (food, music, etc) and when the immigrants from both countries migrated here to America, they flocked together as well as the Polish because they understood each others language, but mainly because they were ridiculed by other nationalities over taking jobs etc, and treated in many cases like trash. Do not allow my comment to offend you, like I stated, after a DNA test, and both artifacts and folklore from past family, I have both German and Czech ancestry. My research over ten years has taught me that much of Bohemia was western Slavic, but they also devoured into what was Germanic tribes that had occupied the area, as well as leftover Celtic tribes called Boii, which is where Bohemia was given its name by Rome. It is very common for Czechs to have DNA from both Germans and even a halo group found in only modern Celts.I love the cultures of both peoples, and for years I think they coexisted and lived happily around each other, but being betrayed by what you feel is because of cultural status, will make it hard to ever trust again. That being said, no one today should allow the past to dictate the future, being cautious is one thing, but being resentful breeds nothing but chaos, and hate, exactly what led to almost every war there ever was....
But it wasnt your Country! It was our land!
@@tavish4699 It was a country of Czechs and Germans (Austrians). Czechs, Austrians and Germans share the same culture. So there is no point to argue which land it was.
@@mercomania The occupiers were the Germans. Back to Germany. I am sorry so many stayed alive!
Only the Sudetenlanders and the Germans of Brandenburg, Prussia and Saxony lost lands after WWII. The rest of the Germans paid no territorial price for what they did in WWII. It is up to the unpunished Germans of the rest of Germany to compensate them.
Sudeten Germans need to be given compensation and an apology for being ethnically cleansed! Their property should be returned!
And the Czechs ethnically cleansed by the Nazis ?
If they fought along with Czechs against nazi-germany i would say yes you are right. But did they ? NO they supported Hitler.
@@bensonmoor9351 Some Germans did fight alongside the Czechs ! At least 2 of the postwar Cabinet were ethnic Germans, including Klement Gottwald and Bedrich Geminder
@@riceuteneuer2678 Ric its just a name what makes them to be german in your eys. Do you think that czechs are ethnically slavs ? no they are not. They lived so many centuries alongside of germans so they are more genetically germans than slavs. It doesnt mean they are germans. what makes them to be czechs ? the language and the culture thats all. In Czechia many people has german name or the czech version of german name including me. If it were not Czech national revival in 19 century we would all speak German today.
@@riceuteneuer2678 ric are you stupid? Group of people doing stupid evil things shouldnt be equal for more than 200000 people.
Nearly 3 million Sudeten Germans were ethnically cleansed from the Czech Republic. At least 300.000 mostly women, children and elderly Sudeten Germans were killed.
Anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi scumbags should shut their dirty mouths!
+zavi13 hey having a bad mood swing?
Robert S cry me a river
you akward pig, 360'000 Czechs were murdered by sudeten germans, only 5'000 sgermans died, mostly of them were nazis, like you ;)
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Like these Germans will understand what they did. Racial cleansing is something they did on them, you can't argue against that.
civilians did that? No defenitly not!
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Im living in that region and i like it there
Politics made this happen. The people mostly lived in peace, side by side, until an Assassin took Archduke Ferdinand's life. Bohemia was a multi ethnic country with much cooperation between communities. The German population fought alongside Czechs in wars over hundreds of years defending Bohemian interests. German industry flourished in Bohemia. They innovated and created an community and an economy that was stripped of them, and they were cast aside. Hundreds of years of history and family vanquished over these decrees. Yes, SOME Germans held their German pride too high and aligned with Germany during WW2. They were also against Prussia and saw it as a lesser evil in a larger ally that was ALSO German for WW1. So what? My heritage left there in 1914. PRIOR to these atrocities. I can honestly say we saw it coming. Our relatives established and grew their communities in the Northern Sudentens, and fell to only to having German Heritage by the Benes decrees. I can't find any relatives IN that area today and my heart feels empty as their 200 years+ of traceable lineage of family labor and efforts were wiped away with name changes to towns, and their homes and businesses were re appropriated. Heirlooms of decent family history being trashed by people who've had no "skin in the game" and freely associate Nazi rule with ANYONE from this area with Germanic decent is just wrong. Forced to wear an "N" armband is no better than being forced to wear a Star of David. Just SO wrong in many ways. Politics are just evil.
they lined the streets cheering the Nazis when they entered Czechoslovakia - what did they expect to be warmly asked to stay????
not just Sudeten Germans all ethnic Germans in the 1st republic ,the only ethnic Germans to somewhat escape were those in Ruthenia and that was because it went to the Ukraine
Dolni DunajoviCHe, absolutely brutal. :D
It's pronounced DunajoviTSe.
háček consonants can be bit tricky sometimes !😉
Going by Wilson's 14 points.
It should never have been given to Czechoslovakia.
It was going to cause an issue which it invariably did.
Likewise Memel was Annexed by Lithuania.
Danzig was separated from East Prussia.
Helen & Malmedy were given to Belgium.
South Tyrol was given to Italy.
The 14 points were not worth the paper they were written on.
The Treatys after WW1 indirectly caused WW2.
It was Czech crown land for over a thousand years.
All blame lays at the Western Allies like USA, UK and France, who carved up Europe after World War 1 !
They draw lines as borders and made states inside states. Or states out of combined private property like small kingdoms etc.
After this people didn't 'belong' to there landlord but to a State.
Kingsdoms etc. had land all over Europe. So when drawing borders, suddenly German speakers now lived in Checkia. The same situation in Poland, Italy, Hungary, Romania, France, Belgium.
It is the Western Powers to blame. Let them pay there burden.
Germans immigrated to czechia and suddenly the slight german majority (and even minority) areas, that have belonged to czechia for millennia should be part of germany? How would you feel if majority turkish areas of germany became part of turkey?
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You talking bullshit the germans was called into Czechia by a King in the 12th century.
@@phornthip1991 yes, you are correct. They were NEVER the original inhabitants of the land and merely immigrated there. Also most of the Germans settled there in the 18th - 19th centuries and not in the 12th century. You have no idea what you’re talking about
@@floppypancakes9509 Slavs are Immigrants in central Europe by your logic.
Goths, vandals, heruli, Burgundians, Bavarians lived there before you lots migrated over. You clearly don't know what a millenia is
@@amadiohastruck4331 yeah and by that logic the germanic people are also immigrants as there were others in Europe before them. Treating the world like this makes no sense.
Every. Single. Time.
Not one cent.
Why?
@@megaliidea1919 The Sudeten germans stole their neighbors' property, had them expelled or murdered.
@@patriciabrenner9216 what are you talking about? The sudetenland was ethnic german so if they expelled or murders they're neighbors they would've been murdering and expelling germans
@@megaliidea1919 Not at all. There were a lot of Czech and Jews in the Sudetenland. There were also Slovaks, Hungarians etc. Germans may have been a majority but there were a lot of others. These were despoiled by the damn Sudeten Germans, and a lot murdered. You seem to ignore what you are talking about.
@@patriciabrenner9216 the removal of these minorities were not the work of the local sudeten germans. Rather its the fault of the german leadership in berlin. You cant blame the local sudeten germans for these atrocities . Blame the nazis. How am I ignoring what I am talking about?
sudeten land was slavic(chech).German propaganda made it different
lol the czech king invited the germans to settle the unsttled borderlands
@@heartsofiron4ever And the Germans who were invited by those kings (and lived in the borderlands) were all expelled in the 15th century when they sided with the invading Crusaders who tried to genocide the Czech population. Try to dig a little and look at the history of any border town. 500 years later history repeated itself...
@@valorum999 the Teutons never invaded Czechia, they invaded Northern Poland and the Baltics, Czechia was peacefully converted to Christianity
@@heartsofiron4ever The Hussite Wars. There were 5 crusades launched against Bohemia. It was all of Europe but 90% of neighboring German states, duchies etc that participated.
@@valorum999 the Hussite wars definitely didn't result in German "colonization" since various Bohemian nobles and even the moderate Hussite factions fought alongside the German