The worst part is during the whole time that the truck was stuck at the crossing, nobody thought to call the number on the blue sign at the crossing to warn the railway. It literally would've cost nothing and would've probably prevented this entire accident.
There's a lot of factors to consider before judging who did what wrong.. How long was the oversize load blocking the tracks? Had a call been put in to U.P. or 911 prior to the collision? The crash occurred near sunset while the train was going westbound. Was the engineer's vision impaired by the setting sun? Was the route pre-approved and permitted by DOT for O.S. loads? Had other wind turbine segments successfully traversed that RR crossing? Etcetera.
I can tell you right now from what I have read this truck was stuck for 45 minutes on the tracks. That is more than enough time to stop that train from crashing into it if they would have contacted the railroad right away. This accident was totally preventable.
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@@dangroat4438 clearly the truck wasn't stuck...if it was stuck how in the world did the pickup cross the x and the truck started across??? Something else was going on...the RR company is at fault..
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise clearly it wasn't there because of being stuck.. because you can see it moving across the xs .. they didn't think they couldn't clear the RR x.... maybe they were wanting on their time to cross on the movement papers... and that train pretty much came out of nowhere..
Everyone on site during this horrible and preventable tragedy is inept and should be held accountable for failing to notify the railroad asap! The trailer was allegedly stuck for 45 minutes and NOT ONE PERSON called!
agreed, but they should have gone one step further. A load that size should have coordinated with the railroad before even attempting to cross. Even if the load did not become stuck it is so long that the amount of time required to safely clear the crossing could put it in danger of being hit by a fast moving freight. The track speed limit in that area is 70 mph! Had they contacted the RR in advance they could have halted rail traffic until the truck was safely clear of the crossing. Or the RR could have advised them to wait to cross because a fast moving freight was already in the area.
@@StumpyVanLife actually the company driving the truck and putting together the route should not have routed the truck over that crossing. the fault lies with the trucker.
Yes, after working in oil refineries for 40 years, that definitely looks more like a distillation tower or other vessel. You can even see manways on the side. Wind turbines have no need for manways.
It's an oversized load that requires permits for movement. Who issued the permit to use that road and crossing? There should have been front and rear guard vehicles with dimensions noted. Even ground clearance. Something is not adding up. There should also have been state police escorts for such a large load. Someone cut corners and people died.
Yes, and the NTSB will of course as it always does, fail to properly report, and of course as usual the NTSB will make recommendations, that 100% of folks will ignore.. I wonder why does the USA spend money on salaries of the NTSB if they are functionally useless?? m
That’s how Texas is known for, updating the sistem is crucial information for everyone. There’s some bridges that have a limit to 15’ and your load is 15’… and yes, you are routed through the bridge instead of ramp it.
the Lowboy trailer was too low to get over the slight elevation of the RR Tracks... it happens a lot... RR tracks should be marked with Minimum Clearance signs, or the National Highway Dept should list all crossings that WILL NOT take a lowboy, like they list all low bridges and overpasses, so that trucks can plan a safe route.
Every railroad crossing has a blue ENS (Emergency Notification Sign) with a toll free number and dedicated crossing identification number at both sides of the crossings for the public to call for situations like that but the problem is not everyone is aware of those blue ENS signs.
I didn't want to say this on the main thread, If you're ever in this situation without a phone, hook jumper cables from track to track, it makes the signals go yellow to red and the engineers know to stop.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky COPS & TxDOT WERE IN CHARGE OF PROCESSION... *THERE ARE AT LEAST 6 TxDOT VEHICLES & COPS, Fire-Rescue, Fire Trucks, that were RUNNING THE SHOW* & that is obvious TxDOT & POLICE acting as the "pilot" vehicles & others of them acting as the clearence guides....... HOW DO THEY NOT KNOW ABOUT TRAIN since Train Workers are on sight too in the area where the derailment happened? active railroad yard there is Pecos & old 'depot' is across the street from rail yard.
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Best guess-didn't call the railroad to avoid fine for stopping a train-didn't call a tow truck to avoid paying for an expensive tow off of a raised track. Pilot should have told driver about raised track-and they should have know this for route in the first place.
it's just amazing the number people who are just plain, "train dumb" and simply don't know what to do in a situation like this. It is scary to know the number of police who don't even know about the emergency number on the crossing. We'll find out soon enough if anyone tried to call. If no one did, that is massive stupidity and criminal negligence.
The state is going to get a large portion of that blame. That’s how that truck got there, by their route planning. Oversize loads have to follow the route the state provides them!
@@dangeary2134 Who says that was NOT part of the planned route? They use(d) that road because it's big enough for such loads. The question is: Why did the trailor stop? Why couldn't they continue their ride?
@markmessick9856 So you're saying they also had a POLICE escort? Normally the transportation company has their own escort or they hire a company that specifically does escorts of oversized loads. I smell a can of fish and some rats here.
@@TheGospelQuartetParadiseLoads beyond certain dimensions require police escorts. It varies from state to state. Don't let your ignorance give you paranoia.
The truck driver, escort vehicle driver and police escort, probably dozens of witnesses (something like that wouldn't happen in the middle of a small town without locals coming to rubber neck), not to mention there is bound to be security camera video somewhere from cameras trained in the direction of the crossing. They will be able to determine exactly how long the truck was on the tracks.
@@ramondtaylor9852 wasn't stuck...how was he stuck on the x when the pickup crossed the x and you can clearly see the oversized start moving across?? He just got caught on the x couldn't Rush that load across..
This isn’t news! News is telling us who failed, who dropped the ball in this preventable situation? Who were the 2 locomotive operators who lost their lives that day? It’s been said that the semi had been stuck on tracks for 45 minutes before impact!
If it’s true that the truck was stuck for 45mins, then this should be a charge of murder. Every single person that was there needs to get their brain checked. Even cops with flashing lights doing what???? Use your communication tools! Absolutely horrific. Totally preventable.
That is not a windmill base. They're not hauled on lowboys. They don't have flange fittings like that. Bases are significantly larger diameter. Jesus Christ people are so dumb. Did the news station make up the ntsb report?
Nah, that's one of many of our finest government agencies. Telling the public wrong information that you are supposed to believe. Because they are smarter than us.
And so many others on here saying that is a wind turbine base. This is something like you said that goes into a refinery, distillation, etc plant. I actually think I saw this come through my little town a few days before this happened. I am into heavy haul and a lot of them come through here so I pay a lot of attention to them. It was actually kinda funny, as another heavy haul was going west and wanted to turn north on Rt 11, and come upon something like this going east on rt 9. It took them a little bit to get it sorted out.
Imagine being treated like dirt by your employer just to be taken out like that. Sad, maybe the class ones should double down on their efforts in the operation lifesaver program and quit making cuts just to appease shareholders.
maybe truckers need to stop being ignorant and drive where they are supposed to go and not try roads they shouldn't be on. maybe the police need to contact the railroad. The railroads do what they can with Operation lifesaver, but like anything, people forget and ignore simple safety things.
I have escorted windmill bases and the blades and I can tell you that DOES NOT look like any windmill base I have ever escorted. Also we normally do not have police escorts on windmill stuff either. Something fishey here already.
That’s not a wind turbine base… That’s a distillation tower, a crucial component of a gas processing plant. There are several new plants being built in the area.
How many accidents of this type have to happen before they TOTALLY BAN LOWBOY trailers from crossing railway lines. Those types of trailers are not used in Australia, and we don’t even have a fraction of the railway crossings that are in the USA. We can transport any size or length or weight of load on the trailers used here that the USA can. I would hate to think how many times I’ve seen footage of this happen in the USA.
Because the train was there first and it always has the right of way. Towns can request a slow order but the railroad has to approve it. Stay off the tracks when a train is coming and don't try to race it and you'll be fine.
Truck was stuck for an hour? Nobody called the RR, but also - I'm Old-school - how come nobody thought of walking a few miles up the Track to Flag the Train down?
There is a blue sign on every crossing sign that has an emergency number to call the railroad and a location identification for that crossing. Nobody knew to call it in.
I have read that the truck was on the track for about an hour before the impact. This whole situation is so sad especially the crew losing their lives over someone else's error.
I saw a heavy load that looks like this come through my little town of Columbus NM a few days before this happened. I wonder if it was the same load? And, that is not a wind turbine base. That is some sort of oil and gas thingy.
The truck driver could have been ignorant of how to solve this problem. Thats why an escort is required. The escorts are supposed to be specialists not just for show. They should have known to immediately call the railroad. But "Just call the number on the blue sign". Not everyone knows there are blue signs with numbers to call. It is disappointing but not surprising to see a driver this dense. I would have called 9 1 1 first. Then look up a # for the railroad & call them. Then call dispatch to contact the emergency contact. After that, as a driver you do everything you can to get out of being high centered. But looks as if he just called it a day upon veing stuck. Thats a criminal level of neglect. The escorts are liable as well for doing nothing. I am tired of seeing railroaders pay the price for ignorance & neglect.
Always call the blue number first. Then 911. Time is of the essence & 911 dispatcher would call the same number as on the blue sign. That could take 30 seconds or more, that might be the difference between accident & stopping in time, depending on where the nearest train is.
It's mind-boggling how if the truck was stuck, that contacting the railroad via the emergency number posted at the crossing, and what I would think would be in the hands of the escort vehicles or local police, wasn't the first course of action. If that call was made in a timely manner, then the plot thickens.
What's the speed limit on I-20 thru Pecos? Is that somehow different because the interstate is controlled access? Railroad tracks are even more limited. Only trains are supposed to be there.
Sad event. Been around the industry my whole life. Grand~Uncle worked for the New York Central in 1917... I do want to say thanks to the anchor who used the proper terms when describing railroad infrastructure. Some reporters will say "Train Tracks" when only 1 is present... Facts matter. As do time and Date stamps.
I agree, facts matter, so does professionalism. To me, "train tracks" sounds juvenile & unprofessional. Should be railroad tracks. Media types also talk about cargo trains, in North America we call them freight trains.
Question is why Union Pacific wasn't called about this stuck truck on their grade crossing and who mapped out the route this low boy truck took with no regard of the railroad crossing??? Who did the police officer on the 🏍️ motorcycle called?? Who did the truck driver called? If this truck was stuck on the grade crossing for up to an hour as some witnesses reported - WHY NO ACTION WAS TAKEN TO STOP THE TRAIN????!!!! NOW TWO BRAVE LIVES ARE LOST IN AN AVOIDABLE ACCIDENT!!!! MAKES NO SENSE!!! Incompetence of the city officials and the trucking company is 😳😲😳😲😳😲 shocking!!!
I don’t think you saw how close the train was already. The truck was on The tracks and soon as it turned getting on the tracks about a minute later, the train was already approaching. it would have been too late anyways. It takes a mile as it is for a train to stop.
Sounds to me like the truck driver either fell over dead and didn't tell anyone he was crossing the tracks or the person who directed him on his delivery didn't tell him squat how to do it.
A 100% avoidable accident, 100% the fault of the NTSB, but they are immune to being sued.. Of course the NTSB will report, and it will be a shockingly piss poor job, always is..
I agree that it was 100% preventable, but the rest of your comment makes no sense. Why would it be the NTSB's fault? They just determine the cause. And I supposed you could do better, with your decades of expertise and experience in transportation accident investigation?
@TimesNew_Roamin Why blame the NTSB? For the reasons I listed below my comment...Useless reports, The NTSB produces reports, nothing gets done, same old accidents over and over... Why does the NTSB exist? How has it been effective?
@@justinepaula-robilliardthe NTSB can't make changes, they can only recommend them. They are an investigative agency not a legislative, your ignorance is showing
I guess the next step to insure safety is to install live cameras at railroad crossings that engineers can view in time to stop if the way is not clear. 70 mph seems excessive for the speed limit through a city.
@Big73Bang specialized oversized movement... special planning and permit required... you clearly don't know what you are talking about! That route was approved by the government!.... and I asked a question?? If you can't answer then shut your fingers off.
No. WHy would they be? We don't know at this point if the driver was on the permitted route. Or if the driver was on schedule. And the railroads are not notified of pending movements of this type.
Where I operate we have had cattle companies and others have gotten in contact with the railroad and the dispatcher has made us aware of what is going on in the area. So it’s not a silly question at all, just a major fail by the trucking company and the local law enforcement….
@@llawnmeister1973 that's a government approved route that RR x was crossable...the higher-ups in the planning department fail to relay the movement information to dispatch.. that's why that train came through there running full speed... that trip got to be timed to the T because they may have to move power lines and block traffic at intersections.... that not a normal load.... That truck wasn't stuck due to low clearance..it just didn't have enough time to clear the RR x
0:22 seconds of this video says it is a part of a wind turbine. THAT is an aluminum (?) tank of some sorts. Someone at that tv station needs to check your FACTS. Also you need PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS not the people you have driving today who THINK THEY CAN. If the truck was stuck for 45 minutes why did someone NOT call the number on the crossing sign???? I better stop here before I go full tilt on the stupidity. Like so have already posted THIS WAS PREVENTABLE!
Engineer was hitting the horn. Should have hit the brakes. The roll into Pecos is very straight and very flat. Clear weather. Middle of the day. Could have seen that a mile and an half out. Going through small towns at near 70 mph…..it’s not if, it’s when something is going to go wrong. No excuse for the driver, first responders, and pretty much everyone n town not to have called the number on the blue sign. Guess we will see what happens.
In Texas, the DOT assigns the routes oversized loads are to take, so they could bear some responsibility if that truck was following an assigned route. The state DOT should have known that Low-boy trailers can't maneuver across railroad crossings that have an inclined grade.
Not just him, the route was supposedly planned and under escort. It's one of those spring-loaded cans of worms where so many folk fouled up it's hard to pin the lead fault on any one individual. The Swiss Cheese model therefore applies, removing those ho can show they actually did their jobs, and creating a dichotomy between those who couldn't because others didn't
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise That is true , now the question is was the truck on the prescribed route? A few years ago an oversize load got struck by a train and come to find out they were off their prescribed route. Even if they were on the correct route it is ultimately the responsibility of the truck driver to determine if they can clear any obstacle. They have escort drivers and they are also responsible, but the truck driver is always in charge of the whole convoy. If there was any doubt as to whether they could clear or not the railroad should have been contacted ahead of time and advised of the situation. They will stop rail traffic in those scenarios until the truck clears the crossing, or if they get stuck then obviously they hold rail traffic until they can get unstuck.
@@StumpyVanLife In this case the truck should NEVER have been on that route because it only takes a miniscule incline to cause a low-boy to bottom out. They should have been on a route that either had a flat crossing or an over pass.
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Let's see, a "LOWBOY" flat transport trailer, by the way the ground clearance is about 8" ok?, also is that road "SLOPING" like a flattened upside down "V"? Whoever's responsible for the route taken? is responsible for this. I'm probably not correct though.🤔
They have to do a full investigation. There's a lot more to sift through. You have to download the engines, pull radio call logs, dispatcher messages, and calls to the railroads public safety center. You have to review any and all possible footage of the incident from every possible angle. You have to basically reconstruct it. This is done because the NTSB will not only make a report, but the report also lists recommendations for how to prevent the accident from happening again. It's a thorough process and it's required. There could be information you don't know about such as a phone call to the 1800 number on the crossing. The train crew could have been notified and not done anything. They could have been notified and been trying to slow down already (doubtful since they hit at 68 ) these are all things that have to be looked into. It's really not always cut and dry.
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70mph through a populated area is too fast. And where were the operators...?? Sleeping? I heard on another news report that the truck had been stuck there for 45min. A lot of people dropped a lot of balls here.
As a former conductor, I can tell you, this was a small town and it is very common to have 70MPH track through these areas. It’s not too fast. If trains slowed down in every city, you people would be bitching because they are going too slow or blocking crossings. Amtrak will commonly do 90 through populated areas, depending on track layout/location.
I read the other day that the railroad company was notified about the truck being immobilized on the crossing, but, apparently the chain of command at the railroad was very inept at communicating with the train itself, which could have been slowed down or even stopped before hitting the semi tractor and trailer, and I say inept because some idiot at the office determined that the train crew didn't need to know
How can it be borderline criminal? THere is no law against it. The business and residents built around the railroad. If you choose to buy a home or establish a business near a freight railroad operating at that tonnage and speed you should assume responsibility
No it is not. Uninformed people think trains should slow down here & there, not use the horn for warning, not run at night & on and on. In many case rail lines predate the urban areas near them. If trains slowed down for every populated area, goods would cost much more because the cost of transportation would rise considerably. There is a cost benefit equation in every aspect of transportation. Trains operate safely on well maintained track at authorized speeds, speeds set using engineering standards & federal regulations.
One faucet of this is the time it takes to go from a stop clear of the track until the entire vehicle is clear on the other side. Minimum warning time from activation of lights gates etc. until the lead equipment ( locomotive usually) reaches the CrossFit, is about 20 seconds.I don't think that huge load in this accident would make it across even if it wasn't hung up.
The rail lines were placed long before the roadways were built. Generally, railroads build above the level of the highest historical floods in the area. They also keep their grades nearly flat. So, as the towns built road crossings, the horses and buggies had no problem crossing the tracks with the change in elevation. As transportation has evolved and cities built up around crossings, problems have arisen. Problems that are over a century in the making.
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Union Pacific is 100% to blame. That crossing is at an unacceptable grade and no warning signs whatsoever to indicate low clearance. Also, Union Pacific is liable because that train was going entirely too fast. The track speed may have been 70mph, but that speed limit is set by Union Pacific and that qualifies for negligent homicide. This is what happens when you let big corporations make their own rules for profit.
That is absolutely not true, the railroad was there first, the highway has to be engineered or not engineered to permit certain vehicles to cross, and the track speed is approved by Federal FRA inspectors for a particular class of track. 70mph is the standard speed of mainline freight in the entire country and witwh good reason. The trucking industry is allowed to get away with murder to avoid having to deal with the same kind of tight inspection regulations the FRA imposes on the railroads, and in this case, they probably will.
Correct me if I'm wrong however when hauling oversized loads requiring special route permits, isn't the company required to submit a safety plan and route, that can accommodate the load?
I love how news stations do their investigating from the news room. witnesses said the truck had been on the track for 45 minuets and the RR said it had received no calls.
The worst part is during the whole time that the truck was stuck at the crossing, nobody thought to call the number on the blue sign at the crossing to warn the railway. It literally would've cost nothing and would've probably prevented this entire accident.
💯 totally an avoidable incident. So sorry for the people's families that passed.
Source? The news story doesn’t say that. It seems it’s a rumor people keep repeating.
There's a lot of factors to consider before judging who did what wrong.. How long was the oversize load blocking the tracks? Had a call been put in to U.P. or 911 prior to the collision? The crash occurred near sunset while the train was going westbound. Was the engineer's vision impaired by the setting sun? Was the route pre-approved and permitted by DOT for O.S. loads? Had other wind turbine segments successfully traversed that RR crossing? Etcetera.
Or the crew dying, that was bad huh?
I can tell you right now from what I have read this truck was stuck for 45 minutes on the tracks. That is more than enough time to stop that train from crashing into it if they would have contacted the railroad right away. This accident was totally preventable.
The lead car was a cop car.
A motorcycle cop watched.
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@@dangroat4438 clearly the truck wasn't stuck...if it was stuck how in the world did the pickup cross the x and the truck started across??? Something else was going on...the RR company is at fault..
Witnesses report that the truck was stopped there for 45 min, and the escort crews were in their vehicles on their phones.
The lead escort was cop car.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky I guess TX is different. In California police don't escort oversized loads.
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise It Texas, I shudder that much more about how things are in Texas.
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise clearly it wasn't there because of being stuck.. because you can see it moving across the xs .. they didn't think they couldn't clear the RR x.... maybe they were wanting on their time to cross on the movement papers... and that train pretty much came out of nowhere..
@@TheGospelQuartetParadiseyes, they do under certain circumstances.
The level of stupid in America is just astounding.
Just curious what stupid country you are from... bet you won't tell us, or you'll lie... LOL...
Yep! And we now have cameras everywhere the capture a lot of it in real time.
Hell yeah and it's only going to get worse
Everyone on site during this horrible and preventable tragedy is inept and should be held accountable for failing to notify the railroad asap! The trailer was allegedly stuck for 45 minutes and NOT ONE PERSON called!
💯 no excuse
agreed, but they should have gone one step further. A load that size should have coordinated with the railroad before even attempting to cross. Even if the load did not become stuck it is so long that the amount of time required to safely clear the crossing could put it in danger of being hit by a fast moving freight. The track speed limit in that area is 70 mph! Had they contacted the RR in advance they could have halted rail traffic until the truck was safely clear of the crossing. Or the RR could have advised them to wait to cross because a fast moving freight was already in the area.
@@rickdee67 The government should be funding Operation Lifesaver. An the railroads should be participating in the program.
@@StumpyVanLife actually the company driving the truck and putting together the route should not have routed the truck over that crossing. the fault lies with the trucker.
@@joec6804They all are. ????????
Not a wind turbine base,it's a refinerie tower separator, it's on the bill of laden.
Are they significantly different?
Have you seen the bill of laden.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky Yes, refinery vessels will be much thicker and therefore heavier.
Yes, after working in oil refineries for 40 years, that definitely looks more like a distillation tower or other vessel. You can even see manways on the side. Wind turbines have no need for manways.
@AlbertHess-xy7ky lol,it is not that hard to see a duck and know it's a fing duck ! I've see lot's of ducks and geese,they are not the same fing bird!
It's an oversized load that requires permits for movement. Who issued the permit to use that road and crossing? There should have been front and rear guard vehicles with dimensions noted. Even ground clearance. Something is not adding up. There should also have been state police escorts for such a large load. Someone cut corners and people died.
Yes, and the NTSB will of course as it always does, fail to properly report, and of course as usual the NTSB will make recommendations, that 100% of folks will ignore.. I wonder why does the USA spend money on salaries of the NTSB if they are functionally useless?? m
That’s how Texas is known for, updating the sistem is crucial information for everyone. There’s some bridges that have a limit to 15’ and your load is 15’… and yes, you are routed through the bridge instead of ramp it.
@@peteengard9966 Bottom clearance is not taken into account. I have never done a permit load on bottom clearance.
the Lowboy trailer was too low to get over the slight elevation of the RR Tracks... it happens a lot... RR tracks should be marked with Minimum Clearance signs, or the National Highway Dept should list all crossings that WILL NOT take a lowboy, like they list all low bridges and overpasses, so that trucks can plan a safe route.
@@t.c.2776 That's on whoever planned the move to make sure the route was suitable.
Every railroad crossing has a blue ENS (Emergency Notification Sign) with a toll free number and dedicated crossing identification number at both sides of the crossings for the public to call for situations like that but the problem is not everyone is aware of those blue ENS signs.
This is an international system in North America. USA, Canada and Mexico use this system
Including many police forces.
I didn't want to say this on the main thread, If you're ever in this situation without a phone, hook jumper cables from track to track, it makes the signals go yellow to red and the engineers know to stop.
Definition of avoidable,what a shambles.
If only TXDOT had not screwed up and approved the route.
Why didn't the truck driver call that number?
The cops in the lead car?
The motorcycle cop?
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky COPS & TxDOT WERE IN CHARGE OF PROCESSION... *THERE ARE AT LEAST 6 TxDOT VEHICLES & COPS, Fire-Rescue, Fire Trucks, that were RUNNING THE SHOW* & that is obvious TxDOT & POLICE acting as the "pilot" vehicles & others of them acting as the clearence guides....... HOW DO THEY NOT KNOW ABOUT TRAIN since Train Workers are on sight too in the area where the derailment happened? active railroad yard there is Pecos & old 'depot' is across the street from rail yard.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky
All low IQ worker drones....but hey, Musk and Bezos own private yachts worth half a Billion dollars (and SO large they need 100 million dollar 'shuttle' boats to get to port)....so all is good.....
Se habla espanol? There's your answer!
Policias incompetents, they should know better call for help.😮
Best guess-didn't call the railroad to avoid fine for stopping a train-didn't call a tow truck to avoid paying for an expensive tow off of a raised track. Pilot should have told driver about raised track-and they should have know this for route in the first place.
it's just amazing the number people who are just plain, "train dumb" and simply don't know what to do in a situation like this. It is scary to know the number of police who don't even know about the emergency number on the crossing. We'll find out soon enough if anyone tried to call. If no one did, that is massive stupidity and criminal negligence.
The blue emergency contact signs are something all Police & other first responders are fully aware of.
@@rjb5847 We'll see...
It's the same Police who refused to go into the school with Kids being shot ! He'll no not me, I ain't going in there. 😂
I would think most ppl would call the police in that situation if they didn't know about the sign.
@golfberg1 your making a phone call and giving a number. No bullets flying nor are you facing the chance of losing your life. Don't be a dick.
Trucking company has to be charged in this Calamity 😢
The state is going to get a large portion of that blame.
That’s how that truck got there, by their route planning.
Oversize loads have to follow the route the state provides them!
@@dangeary2134 Who says that was NOT part of the planned route? They use(d) that road because it's big enough for such loads. The question is: Why did the trailor stop? Why couldn't they continue their ride?
The truck was on the track for 45 minutes.. total fail
The news didn't say that..
@bigbluetruck3464 people that were there are all saying the same thing. At least 45 minutes that they were stuck.
@@Danvers97 no reported calls to police?? May have at the crossing not on the x... and no official report on how long at the crossing..
The police escort on the motorcycle, just sitting on the motorcycle and doing nothing
@markmessick9856 So you're saying they also had a POLICE escort? Normally the transportation company has their own escort or they hire a company that specifically does escorts of oversized loads. I smell a can of fish and some rats here.
@@TheGospelQuartetParadiseLoads beyond certain dimensions require police escorts. It varies from state to state. Don't let your ignorance give you paranoia.
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise really large loads will also have police escorts.
what would he do, stand in front of the train and put his hands up?
Radio dispatch to call the railroad maybe?
So you're trying to tell me the truck driver?Don't know how long he was on the tracks
The truck driver, escort vehicle driver and police escort, probably dozens of witnesses (something like that wouldn't happen in the middle of a small town without locals coming to rubber neck), not to mention there is bound to be security camera video somewhere from cameras trained in the direction of the crossing. They will be able to determine exactly how long the truck was on the tracks.
The truck driver knew.
The lead cop car knew.
The cop on the motorcycle knew.
@@amkqld The truck was unable to move the grounded out trailer from the tracks. The train had no problem moving it.
@@ramondtaylor9852 wasn't stuck...how was he stuck on the x when the pickup crossed the x and you can clearly see the oversized start moving across?? He just got caught on the x couldn't Rush that load across..
Guarantee you a camera was in the locomotive cab and filmed their last moments...
This isn’t news!
News is telling us who failed, who dropped the ball in this preventable situation?
Who were the 2 locomotive operators who lost their lives that day?
It’s been said that the semi had been stuck on tracks for 45 minutes before impact!
If it’s true that the truck was stuck for 45mins, then this should be a charge of murder. Every single person that was there needs to get their brain checked. Even cops with flashing lights doing what???? Use your communication tools! Absolutely horrific. Totally preventable.
That is not a wind turbine base
Correct its a pressure vessel
Who cares, its a large load and caused a terrible tragedy.
That is not a windmill base. They're not hauled on lowboys. They don't have flange fittings like that. Bases are significantly larger diameter. Jesus Christ people are so dumb. Did the news station make up the ntsb report?
Nah, that's one of many of our finest government agencies. Telling the public wrong information that you are supposed to believe. Because they are smarter than us.
And so many others on here saying that is a wind turbine base. This is something like you said that goes into a refinery, distillation, etc plant.
I actually think I saw this come through my little town a few days before this happened. I am into heavy haul and a lot of them come through here so I pay a lot of attention to them.
It was actually kinda funny, as another heavy haul was going west and wanted to turn north on Rt 11, and come upon something like this going east on rt 9. It took them a little bit to get it sorted out.
I don't know if it's dumb or just too lazy to do a bit of research when writing news copy.
Oil companies doing anything they want to make money
Imagine being treated like dirt by your employer just to be taken out like that. Sad, maybe the class ones should double down on their efforts in the operation lifesaver program and quit making cuts just to appease shareholders.
maybe truckers need to stop being ignorant and drive where they are supposed to go and not try roads they shouldn't be on. maybe the police need to contact the railroad. The railroads do what they can with Operation lifesaver, but like anything, people forget and ignore simple safety things.
Absolutely tragic. The video was horrible to watch.
There is another video on TH-cam that the accident looks more dramatic than this one, of this same accident.😮🙄😎
Trucking company is screwed. Sad two lost their lives.
I have escorted windmill bases and the blades and I can tell you that DOES NOT look like any windmill base I have ever escorted. Also we normally do not have police escorts on windmill stuff either. Something fishey here already.
They should have known before hand that the trailer and load would not make it over that set of tracks
That’s not a wind turbine base… That’s a distillation tower, a crucial component of a gas processing plant. There are several new plants being built in the area.
How many accidents of this type have to happen before they TOTALLY BAN LOWBOY trailers from crossing railway lines.
Those types of trailers are not used in Australia, and we don’t even have a fraction of the railway crossings that are in the USA.
We can transport any size or length or weight of load on the trailers used here that the USA can.
I would hate to think how many times I’ve seen footage of this happen in the USA.
Shortly after you say eyewitnesses and bystanders said the truck was stuck there 45 minutes before the train hit it why why was the train not notified
sos did the truck driver get arrested and charged with manslaughter
Along with the cop in the lead car, the motorcycle cop and the TXDOT person who issued the permit.
Truck driver followed the route the state gave him.
Where was Secretary Pete Buttegieg?
Getting a HIV test
He got rear-ended in traffic.
This all could’ve been avoided if they simply called the number on the blue sign…..😊
Why do trains travel at 68 miles per hour through urban areas that are full of level crossings.
Because trains have the absolute right-of-way on those crossings. Something more people should remember.
Because the train was there first and it always has the right of way. Towns can request a slow order but the railroad has to approve it. Stay off the tracks when a train is coming and don't try to race it and you'll be fine.
Blatant incompetence that must be investigated and charges laid against those responsible.
Don't worry--- UP RR will have its lawyers at work VERY soon.
Truck was stuck for an hour? Nobody called the RR, but also - I'm Old-school - how come nobody thought of walking a few miles up the Track to Flag the Train down?
There is a blue sign on every crossing sign that has an emergency number to call the railroad and a location identification for that crossing. Nobody knew to call it in.
You'd need 2 people. One in each direction, you never know which way the next train is going.
I have read that the truck was on the track for about an hour before the impact. This whole situation is so sad especially the crew losing their lives over someone else's error.
I saw a heavy load that looks like this come through my little town of Columbus NM a few days before this happened. I wonder if it was the same load?
And, that is not a wind turbine base. That is some sort of oil and gas thingy.
It’s a wind turbine base…thingy.
@@Balloon_Animal and I have some oceanfront property in Arizona & the Golden Gate Bridge for sale.
Father be with these families, community, railroad in Jesus name I pray Amen 🙏
The truck driver could have been ignorant of how to solve this problem. Thats why an escort is required. The escorts are supposed to be specialists not just for show. They should have known to immediately call the railroad. But "Just call the number on the blue sign". Not everyone knows there are blue signs with numbers to call. It is disappointing but not surprising to see a driver this dense. I would have called 9 1 1 first. Then look up a # for the railroad & call them. Then call dispatch to contact the emergency contact. After that, as a driver you do everything you can to get out of being high centered. But looks as if he just called it a day upon veing stuck. Thats a criminal level of neglect. The escorts are liable as well for doing nothing. I am tired of seeing railroaders pay the price for ignorance & neglect.
Always call the blue number first. Then 911. Time is of the essence & 911 dispatcher would call the same number as on the blue sign. That could take 30 seconds or more, that might be the difference between accident & stopping in time, depending on where the nearest train is.
It's mind-boggling how if the truck was stuck, that contacting the railroad via the emergency number posted at the crossing, and what I would think would be in the hands of the escort vehicles or local police, wasn't the first course of action. If that call was made in a timely manner, then the plot thickens.
Seventy miles per hour through town???? Apparently the people in that town have no concern for their safety or anyone else. Unreal!
What's the speed limit on I-20 thru Pecos? Is that somehow different because the interstate is controlled access? Railroad tracks are even more limited. Only trains are supposed to be there.
The train speed is irrelevant. You can't slow down for every little town you come through. The jackass driving the semi is the problem here.
70mph is the speed limit on that section of rail. There's a lot of empty space between Odessa and Elpaso.
Sad event. Been around the industry my whole life. Grand~Uncle worked for the New York Central in 1917...
I do want to say thanks to the anchor who used the proper terms when describing railroad infrastructure.
Some reporters will say "Train Tracks" when only 1 is present... Facts matter. As do time and Date stamps.
I agree, facts matter, so does professionalism. To me, "train tracks" sounds juvenile & unprofessional. Should be railroad tracks. Media types also talk about cargo trains, in North America we call them freight trains.
Links to the report?
Looks like we need to outlaw those low boy trailers. They are always getting hung up.
This should never have happened. 😢
Question is why Union Pacific wasn't called about this stuck truck on their grade crossing and who mapped out the route this low boy truck took with no regard of the railroad crossing???
Who did the police officer on the 🏍️ motorcycle called??
Who did the truck driver called?
If this truck was stuck on the grade crossing for up to an hour as some witnesses reported - WHY NO ACTION WAS TAKEN TO STOP THE TRAIN????!!!!
NOW TWO BRAVE LIVES ARE LOST IN AN AVOIDABLE ACCIDENT!!!!
MAKES NO SENSE!!!
Incompetence of the city officials and the trucking company is 😳😲😳😲😳😲 shocking!!!
I don’t think you saw how close the train was already. The truck was on The tracks and soon as it turned getting on the tracks about a minute later, the train was already approaching. it would have been too late anyways. It takes a mile as it is for a train to stop.
@@Anomize23no its been confirmed they were stuck much longer before the train hit.
@@Anomize23The truck was on the tracks for at least 45 minutes, BEFORE the train came by. GEEEEEZ!!!!!!
Wouldn't you prearrange such a risky cross over? Have railroad safety operators on site? A total risk management fail.
It’s a pressure vessel not a part of a wind turbine.
Sounds to me like the truck driver either fell over dead and didn't tell anyone he was crossing the tracks or the person who directed him on his delivery didn't tell him squat how to do it.
A 100% avoidable accident, 100% the fault of the NTSB, but they are immune to being sued.. Of course the NTSB will report, and it will be a shockingly piss poor job, always is..
I agree that it was 100% preventable, but the rest of your comment makes no sense. Why would it be the NTSB's fault? They just determine the cause. And I supposed you could do better, with your decades of expertise and experience in transportation accident investigation?
@TimesNew_Roamin Why blame the NTSB? For the reasons I listed below my comment...Useless reports, The NTSB produces reports, nothing gets done, same old accidents over and over...
Why does the NTSB exist? How has it been effective?
@@justinepaula-robilliardthe NTSB can't make changes, they can only recommend them. They are an investigative agency not a legislative, your ignorance is showing
I wonder what happened… couldn’t tell you why the train derailed.
Damn the NTSB is really smart. They figured it out fast!
I guess the next step to insure safety is to install live cameras at railroad crossings that engineers can view in time to stop if the way is not clear. 70 mph seems excessive for the speed limit through a city.
So the train company wasn't aware of that load coming through that crossing around that time??
That's some silly sh t for you to say! You need to drop that Ebonics book and pick up one on critical thinking.
@Big73Bang specialized oversized movement... special planning and permit required... you clearly don't know what you are talking about! That route was approved by the government!.... and I asked a question?? If you can't answer then shut your fingers off.
No. WHy would they be? We don't know at this point if the driver was on the permitted route. Or if the driver was on schedule. And the railroads are not notified of pending movements of this type.
Where I operate we have had cattle companies and others have gotten in contact with the railroad and the dispatcher has made us aware of what is going on in the area. So it’s not a silly question at all, just a major fail by the trucking company and the local law enforcement….
@@llawnmeister1973 that's a government approved route that RR x was crossable...the higher-ups in the planning department fail to relay the movement information to dispatch.. that's why that train came through there running full speed... that trip got to be timed to the T because they may have to move power lines and block traffic at intersections.... that not a normal load.... That truck wasn't stuck due to low clearance..it just didn't have enough time to clear the RR x
0:22 seconds of this video says it is a part of a wind turbine. THAT is an aluminum (?) tank of some sorts. Someone at that tv station needs to check your FACTS. Also you need PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS not the people you have driving today who THINK THEY CAN. If the truck was stuck for 45 minutes why did someone NOT call the number on the crossing sign???? I better stop here before I go full tilt on the stupidity. Like so have already posted THIS WAS PREVENTABLE!
Engineer was hitting the horn. Should have hit the brakes. The roll into Pecos is very straight and very flat. Clear weather. Middle of the day. Could have seen that a mile and an half out.
Going through small towns at near 70 mph…..it’s not if, it’s when something is going to go wrong.
No excuse for the driver, first responders, and pretty much everyone n town not to have called the number on the blue sign. Guess we will see what happens.
Incompetence. Incompetence EVERYWHERE
2 guys tragically lose their lives because a heavy-haul driver stupidly tried to traverse a HUMPED RR X-ing .. utterly ridiculous 😔
In Texas, the DOT assigns the routes oversized loads are to take, so they could bear some responsibility if that truck was following an assigned route. The state DOT should have known that Low-boy trailers can't maneuver across railroad crossings that have an inclined grade.
Not just him, the route was supposedly planned and under escort. It's one of those spring-loaded cans of worms where so many folk fouled up it's hard to pin the lead fault on any one individual. The Swiss Cheese model therefore applies, removing those ho can show they actually did their jobs, and creating a dichotomy between those who couldn't because others didn't
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise That is true , now the question is was the truck on the prescribed route? A few years ago an oversize load got struck by a train and come to find out they were off their prescribed route. Even if they were on the correct route it is ultimately the responsibility of the truck driver to determine if they can clear any obstacle. They have escort drivers and they are also responsible, but the truck driver is always in charge of the whole convoy. If there was any doubt as to whether they could clear or not the railroad should have been contacted ahead of time and advised of the situation. They will stop rail traffic in those scenarios until the truck clears the crossing, or if they get stuck then obviously they hold rail traffic until they can get unstuck.
@@StumpyVanLife In this case the truck should NEVER have been on that route because it only takes a miniscule incline to cause a low-boy to bottom out. They should have been on a route that either had a flat crossing or an over pass.
Ultimate discretion on certain tasks in this world has to lie with the “final agents” who actually execute the actions in whatever critical situation .. did that pompous F-head Baldwin inspect the gun HIMSELF!!! before handling and using it?? No
Thank you NTSB we never would have figured it out.
Terrible accident and as it looks like, a sad story asking why nobody pulled the alarm.
This will almost certainly be featured in an episode of "Mayday: Air Disaster" (or "Air Crash Investigation" in other markets).
Coordinateshellteracism NYC 😢
Let's see, a "LOWBOY" flat transport trailer, by the way the ground clearance is about 8" ok?, also is that road "SLOPING" like a flattened upside down "V"? Whoever's responsible for the route taken? is responsible for this. I'm probably not correct though.🤔
If you pull up the road on Google maps and pick street view it's WAY more humped than it seems in the video.
You know im surprised we know how to do anything at all!
Immigrant truck driver as usual.
Durian Durka Durka
@@timf2279 I doubt it..
That has not been reported. By anyone.
12 to 24 months to determine what we know from many eyewitness videos? 😂🤦♂️
They have to do a full investigation. There's a lot more to sift through. You have to download the engines, pull radio call logs, dispatcher messages, and calls to the railroads public safety center. You have to review any and all possible footage of the incident from every possible angle. You have to basically reconstruct it. This is done because the NTSB will not only make a report, but the report also lists recommendations for how to prevent the accident from happening again. It's a thorough process and it's required. There could be information you don't know about such as a phone call to the 1800 number on the crossing. The train crew could have been notified and not done anything. They could have been notified and been trying to slow down already (doubtful since they hit at 68 ) these are all things that have to be looked into. It's really not always cut and dry.
How about showing the thumbnail
In Australia truck drivers get off scott free after ploughing into a passenger train 3 carriges down from the locomotive, Swan Hill Bendigo passenger service
Stupid trucking companies 😢
Green technologies are so environmentally friendly, they said...
70mph through a populated area is too fast. And where were the operators...?? Sleeping? I heard on another news report that the truck had been stuck there for 45min. A lot of people dropped a lot of balls here.
As a former conductor, I can tell you, this was a small town and it is very common to have 70MPH track through these areas. It’s not too fast. If trains slowed down in every city, you people would be bitching because they are going too slow or blocking crossings. Amtrak will commonly do 90 through populated areas, depending on track layout/location.
Truckers fault he knew better than that!
Keep in mind oversize loads have their routes dictated by the state.
You mean TRAIN CRASH
45 minutes do your research
You know that title would have fit if you had of just said NTSB.
So what we already know
@ Green Energy Always Kills
I read the other day that the railroad company was notified about the truck being immobilized on the crossing, but, apparently the chain of command at the railroad was very inept at communicating with the train itself, which could have been slowed down or even stopped before hitting the semi tractor and trailer, and I say inept because some idiot at the office determined that the train crew didn't need to know
Immigrant truck driver.
Uvalde police. At hard work again.
Just remember. 70mph through a business, residential area. That is dangerous and borderline criminal, regardless of its a small Texas town.
Wouldn't be that high if it weren't safe. Total straw man argument that has nothing to do with the accident.
How can it be borderline criminal? THere is no law against it. The business and residents built around the railroad. If you choose to buy a home or establish a business near a freight railroad operating at that tonnage and speed you should assume responsibility
You obviously know nothing about railroading.
No it is not. Uninformed people think trains should slow down here & there, not use the horn for warning, not run at night & on and on. In many case rail lines predate the urban areas near them. If trains slowed down for every populated area, goods would cost much more because the cost of transportation would rise considerably. There is a cost benefit equation in every aspect of transportation. Trains operate safely on well maintained track at authorized speeds, speeds set using engineering standards & federal regulations.
@@davidwhiting1761agreed.
As a Flammable hauler i dont understand why only us are required by law to stop before any railroad . it should be applied to all 18 wheels !
One faucet of this is the time it takes to go from a stop clear of the track until the entire vehicle is clear on the other side. Minimum warning time from activation of lights gates etc. until the lead equipment ( locomotive usually) reaches the CrossFit, is about 20 seconds.I don't think that huge load in this accident would make it across even if it wasn't hung up.
Driver not at fault
The trucking company is at fault if they directed the driver to take that route.
Driver is the person on the road though. Not his dispatcher in an office. Driver makes the call if he can go trough or not.
TX DOT approves all routes for Heavy Haul.
class 5 speeed mph for trains is done trains shouldnt be flying through towns above 25mph
Wastes a lot of fuel to slow down for every little community. You think the interstate should be 25mph in Pecos too?
On RR property, the RR will determine the speed--- no body else. It's THEIR property.
Americans have little idea of how to build a Rail Crossing. In many countries they are called LEVEL Crossings for a reason.
The rail lines were placed long before the roadways were built. Generally, railroads build above the level of the highest historical floods in the area. They also keep their grades nearly flat. So, as the towns built road crossings, the horses and buggies had no problem crossing the tracks with the change in elevation. As transportation has evolved and cities built up around crossings, problems have arisen. Problems that are over a century in the making.
Ok, you can pay for leveling EVERY crossing in the country like this one out of your own bank account.
A wind turbine.
That cargo was nowhere near anything to do with a wind tower or turbine.
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@@AccountInactive THat's not what Steve said
@@awboat Why? You mad a wind turbine killed two people?
It was a windmill! They engineered those too large on purpose. I was into solar energy back in the early 90's and could get zero help, not even a site. I found out the hard way, only huge corporate funding to keep it out of the backyard.
not a wind turbine. Look at all the openings for other pipes.
Sadly misinformed
Union Pacific is 100% to blame. That crossing is at an unacceptable grade and no warning signs whatsoever to indicate low clearance. Also, Union Pacific is liable because that train was going entirely too fast. The track speed may have been 70mph, but that speed limit is set by Union Pacific and that qualifies for negligent homicide. This is what happens when you let big corporations make their own rules for profit.
I gotta agree and disagree because does that mean they could a big curve at 70 mph and no one cares?
Go back to mom’s basement pal
OK there Russian bot, no more stories on Nordstream to comment on?
That is absolutely not true, the railroad was there first, the highway has to be engineered or not engineered to permit certain vehicles to cross, and the track speed is approved by Federal FRA inspectors for a particular class of track. 70mph is the standard speed of mainline freight in the entire country and witwh good reason. The trucking industry is allowed to get away with murder to avoid having to deal with the same kind of tight inspection regulations the FRA imposes on the railroads, and in this case, they probably will.
Correct me if I'm wrong however when hauling oversized loads requiring special route permits, isn't the company required to submit a safety plan and route, that can accommodate the load?
I love how news stations do their investigating from the news room. witnesses said the truck had been on the track for 45 minuets and the RR said it had received no calls.