I have also written a new wiring guide for converting from a Leetro controller to Trocen or Ruida, I hope to have this document finalized soon. We have successfully replaced a Leetro MPC6515 Controller to a Trocen AWC708S using this documentation If you require this guide please email matt@mwlaser.com.au
Excellent fantastic. This video is so informative Matt and all of your links are so helpful I've been watching your videos since you started posting them and your work is a great help I've looked for others and I'm stuffed if I can find any with such clear directions thank you for all your work. Wayne Enterprise laser cutting and engraving. Big fan of your work
Sorry - somehow I failed to see this comment for over 8 months.... Here is the link to the Cost Estimation if you didn't already find the link in one of my videos. Cheers Matt mwlaser.com.au/diy-laser-build-cost-estimation/
Finally! The video I was looking for, wasted to much time watching videos that don't explain anything, this is the video I was looking for, thanks for making it.
Thanks Matt, great detailed video. Are you also going to cover a video on an air filter? Im about to buy a laser but I’m also concerned about the fume coming out of the exhaust.
Thanks, No I will not be going over air filters in this DIY Laser Build series.. However there are various options you can use. If you are in a work space where you can vent directly outside like I am then no filter is required (so long as you don't misuse the laser and cut material is safe and does not release toxic fumes), or you can divert your exhaust air through a HEPA or Activated Carbon Filter. If you are cutting or engraving timbers and paper products, you will find that the filters choke up quickly so you would need a cheaper pre-filter that can be replaced or cleaned regularly. I have purchased an Activated carbon cylinder filter to test out and I plan to do a build video in the future, but not a high priority for me. Cheers Matt
Hi Matt, I hope you are very well, could you please answer the following question, do I have to connect the ground of the 24 volt source with the ground of the 36 volt source because they are different power sources?
Hi Matt, having a problem with my laser turned it on and laser immediately fires! And only turns off when I switch it off! Any advice would be massively appreciated! Keep up the great work
Sorry I have been off TH-cam for a quite a few months, and get so many comments I have not had time to reply earlier. My contact details are on my website mwlaser.com.au
On this build I used Leadshine 2-phase motors, however my new machine I received from Cloudray uses Leadshine 3-phase hybrid steppers and both operate extremely well. Cheers Matt
Hi Matt, Great video, Im currently going to be building my own laser engraver. Ordering parts from CloudRay Laser. Will you be getting a Transformer for you laser engraver? I had one come with my K40 clone. Is the EMI filter necessary? and what benefits does it provide?
G'day, A basic explanation of an EMI filter is that they remove / filter electrical interference noise from devices on the same mains power circuit and surrounding electronic devices. By filtering out these electrical noise frequencies it helps to ensure the laser machine runs without this type of interference to the controller, stepper drivers and motors. It is not essential but recommended. Sorry I'm Not sure what transformer you mean, I don't recognise a need for one on this build. Unless you mean something different and I misunderstood. Cheers Matt
Hi, love your work! I have a question, i need two stepper motors 53s15L and two stepper drivers 3DM580? Or one 53s15L and one 3DM580 + 573S09-L and DMA860? Thanks for your help
Parts I used are listed here - mwlaser.com.au/diy-laser-build-cost-estimation/ On my build I installed the following: 1x 573S09 & 1x 3DM580 for the X Axis 1x 573S15 & 1x 3DM580 for the Y Axis 2x 57HS22-A & 1x DMA860H for the Z Axis (These were included in the lift bed kit with motors) Cheers Matt
Hello. Thanks for this great video, it helps a lot. I have question though. I find other electronics schemes that use 2 24 V power supplies instead of 1 24V and 1 36V like in your machine. Someone I know has a laser that has 1 24V and 1 48V power supply. What is the reason for that? And can you give me any hint so that I can learn more about cnc laser electronics?
the various Voltage PSU are installed depending on what your components require. some require 5v some 24V and 36V 48V etc, so you install the PSUs that you require for your build. 2x 24 V psu would be suitable for some builds if you have 1 for the controller and 1 for the motors and drivers. be sure to have a psu that has sufficient voltage and watts for the components you install
@@MWLaser Thank you for your response. For the motor driver you used in this build Cloudray indicates that the working voltage is between 18 and 50. So what is the reason we use a 36 V power supply? I have seen someone using a 48 V on TH-cam saying that it would work more powerfully. Does that make sense? Also since it is between the range why not use 24 V, thus why not connect only one 24 V power supply to both motor drivers and the controller? It might be obvious I am not familiar with electronics at all. It would be great help for me if you can direct me to any guide or documentation or tutorials about these. I just assumed you might have few sources in your mind, otherwise don't bother, I'm already looking for those.
I'm working up a list of parts to build my own in a similar style to this but I have a question about the control. If I'm going to be using a PC as the control source, do I still need the screen panel?
@@MWLaser That's disappointing. So is that panel primarily required for the laser or is it fundamental to the entire electronic package used here? - I'm basing my design largely off the motor array that ThisOldTony used in his mill conversion, so closed loop servos rather than steppers. Ideally I'd like to rely on a PC as the control input and cut out anything that's redundant or extra. - Do you have any good resources you recommend reading/watching on this?
Are you wanting to know how to calculate & calibrate steps on the controller for your X&Y stepper motors? Which controller are you using? (email matt@mwlaser.com.au for more info) Sorry if there is a delay in reply we are preparing to move premises.
Matt, your timing on this project is amazing. I have a few questions before I start ordering parts. I'm actually hoping to build a dual-tube setup with the 90w and a 150w with dual heads. Do you see any reason the same idea wouldn't work well with the 1400x1000 bed size? I'm hoping to cut plastic sheet and fit four 18"x24" in the machine at a time. Do you feel the 90w tube can go low power enough for detailed engraving? We also hope to cut some paper/ cardstock in the machine. That's why I was thinking about the dual laser setup. "The stepper motors I use are Leadshine 573S15-L and 573S09-L" --- these are for the X and Y correct? Both using the 3DM580 drivers? The DMA860H driver is for the bed control correct? It comes with the kit as well as the motors correct? Any problems I should expect or look out for?? Thanks! Frank
I don't have diagram in colour but I have produced this easy to follow document available on my website. Cheers Matt mwlaser.com.au/product/ebook-matts-diy-laser-wiring-guide/
Hello I would like to take a doubt my engines are making noise. Even though he's standing still. This is normal to happen. The engines I use and the drives are the same as the video
@@franciscolucivando9122 I'm experiencing same problem right now (not the same motors, or drivers as yours) .. I spoke to the local seller and he confirmed, those steppers are not assembled with original chipset, so I actually bought fake cheap steppers, which can't handle current and the voltage. I believe, I can stop hissing my motors and significantly improve their behaviour with new, more expensive (but original) steppers with some nice features, like automatic current regulation, or silent mode.. In most cases (as I did my research), replacing steppers always helped (So try to check if they are not fake ones) .. In a week or so, I should get new steppers, so will connect them and report if anything changed. Hope you have sorted it out meanwhile.
@@rudi.s I still haven't been able to solve this problem. I had asked, for several people and no one knows what this hiss that appears on the engine is. I bought these engines at Cloudray-motor-store.
Hello mr, my name is wita, i am from bali, i have cnc router with driver match 3, i want to replace with laser co2, can you help me how use this, any tutorial or your whatsup nomber please🙏
Your videos are well done, but I got to say. Some of the things you do don't make a lot of sense in the performance aspect of the equation. The main one being adding all that unnecessary weight to the nozzle. SPT's new integrated red dot tubes are where it's at if you must have one. Anyhow, reducing nozzle weight is one of the most critical things you can do yet gets over looked more than just about everything else. Increased Dynamic loads and loss of acceleration/deceleration speeds are the real problem with home built and 99% of all Chinese kit and prebuilt units. The carts and nozzles are way to heavy. Attaching more junk to them is a terrible idea.
Wiring Guides Available on My Website
TROCEN AWC 708S - mwlaser.com.au/product/ebook-matts-diy-laser-wiring-guide/
RUIDA RDC 644X - mwlaser.com.au/product/ebook-matts-diy-laser-wiring-guide-for-ruida-rdc-644x-controllers/
I have also written a new wiring guide for converting from a Leetro controller to Trocen or Ruida, I hope to have this document finalized soon. We have successfully replaced a Leetro MPC6515 Controller to a Trocen AWC708S using this documentation If you require this guide please email matt@mwlaser.com.au
Excellent fantastic.
This video is so informative Matt and all of your links are so helpful I've been watching your videos since you started posting them and your work is a great help I've looked for others and I'm stuffed if I can find any with such clear directions thank you for all your work.
Wayne Enterprise laser cutting and engraving.
Big fan of your work
Thanks for the feedback Wayne
Cheers Matt
@@MWLaserCan I use lrs 75 for stepper motor instead of lrs 350?
excellent work. i just order the materials and components to start the construction of my machine.
best regards from Stockholm sweden
Roughly how much was the cost around to build the laser for everything ?? Thanks
Sorry - somehow I failed to see this comment for over 8 months.... Here is the link to the Cost Estimation if you didn't already find the link in one of my videos. Cheers Matt
mwlaser.com.au/diy-laser-build-cost-estimation/
Thanks for your video
Thank you
Sorry I didn't see this comment earlier - Thank you. I'm glad you found the video helpful. Cheers Matt
Finally!
The video I was looking for, wasted to much time watching videos that don't explain anything, this is the video I was looking for, thanks for making it.
Glad it helped! Thanks, I appreciate the feedback
Thanks for all ! :)
You're welcome :)
Thanks ❤❤❤❤❤
Can I use lrs 75 for stepper motor instead of lrs 350?
Thanks Matt, great detailed video. Are you also going to cover a video on an air filter? Im about to buy a laser but I’m also concerned about the fume coming out of the exhaust.
Thanks, No I will not be going over air filters in this DIY Laser Build series.. However there are various options you can use. If you are in a work space where you can vent directly outside like I am then no filter is required (so long as you don't misuse the laser and cut material is safe and does not release toxic fumes), or you can divert your exhaust air through a HEPA or Activated Carbon Filter. If you are cutting or engraving timbers and paper products, you will find that the filters choke up quickly so you would need a cheaper pre-filter that can be replaced or cleaned regularly. I have purchased an Activated carbon cylinder filter to test out and I plan to do a build video in the future, but not a high priority for me. Cheers Matt
Great progress, Matt. I was wondering if you do need some cooling fans for the electronics area.
Thank you. Yes I plan to install a fan for the electrical components when I start enclosing the frame etc.
Thanks for sharing, Matt. Looking forward to seeing how the machine performs for you.
Hi Matt, I hope you are very well, could you please answer the following question, do I have to connect the ground of the 24 volt source with the ground of the 36 volt source because they are different power sources?
this is not something I can assist with via youtube comments. email info with photos of which GND you refer to at askmatt@mwlaser.com.au
Hi Matt, having a problem with my laser turned it on and laser immediately fires! And only turns off when I switch it off! Any advice would be massively appreciated! Keep up the great work
send your support query to matt@mwlaser.com.au with the model number of your controller. Are you building your own machine?
I'm useing a Ruida 6445G and need help reworking a Golden Laser to this set up, How do I tell the control what the table size is 1300x700
Sorry I have been off TH-cam for a quite a few months, and get so many comments I have not had time to reply earlier. My contact details are on my website mwlaser.com.au
Hi Matt,
Why do you use 3 phases stepper motor ?
Thank you
On this build I used Leadshine 2-phase motors, however my new machine I received from Cloudray uses Leadshine 3-phase hybrid steppers and both operate extremely well. Cheers Matt
Hi Matt, Great video, Im currently going to be building my own laser engraver. Ordering parts from CloudRay Laser.
Will you be getting a Transformer for you laser engraver? I had one come with my K40 clone.
Is the EMI filter necessary? and what benefits does it provide?
G'day,
A basic explanation of an EMI filter is that they remove / filter electrical interference noise from devices on the same mains power circuit and surrounding electronic devices. By filtering out these electrical noise frequencies it helps to ensure the laser machine runs without this type of interference to the controller, stepper drivers and motors. It is not essential but recommended.
Sorry I'm Not sure what transformer you mean, I don't recognise a need for one on this build. Unless you mean something different and I misunderstood.
Cheers Matt
¿Why did you not choose 4 independent motors for Z axis plate?
that would be more work, more parts, and therefore more costly and unnecessary.
Hi, love your work! I have a question, i need two stepper motors 53s15L and two stepper drivers 3DM580? Or one 53s15L and one 3DM580 + 573S09-L and DMA860? Thanks for your help
Parts I used are listed here - mwlaser.com.au/diy-laser-build-cost-estimation/
On my build I installed the following:
1x 573S09 & 1x 3DM580 for the X Axis
1x 573S15 & 1x 3DM580 for the Y Axis
2x 57HS22-A & 1x DMA860H for the Z Axis (These were included in the lift bed kit with motors)
Cheers Matt
MW Laser thanks Matt!!
Hello. Thanks for this great video, it helps a lot. I have question though. I find other electronics schemes that use 2 24 V power supplies instead of 1 24V and 1 36V like in your machine. Someone I know has a laser that has 1 24V and 1 48V power supply. What is the reason for that? And can you give me any hint so that I can learn more about cnc laser electronics?
the various Voltage PSU are installed depending on what your components require. some require 5v some 24V and 36V 48V etc, so you install the PSUs that you require for your build.
2x 24 V psu would be suitable for some builds if you have 1 for the controller and 1 for the motors and drivers.
be sure to have a psu that has sufficient voltage and watts for the components you install
@@MWLaser Thank you for your response. For the motor driver you used in this build Cloudray indicates that the working voltage is between 18 and 50. So what is the reason we use a 36 V power supply? I have seen someone using a 48 V on TH-cam saying that it would work more powerfully. Does that make sense? Also since it is between the range why not use 24 V, thus why not connect only one 24 V power supply to both motor drivers and the controller?
It might be obvious I am not familiar with electronics at all. It would be great help for me if you can direct me to any guide or documentation or tutorials about these. I just assumed you might have few sources in your mind, otherwise don't bother, I'm already looking for those.
I have a Cloudray ru rd rdc6442g I can use instead of awc708s
absolutely, the RDC6442g is a great controller to use on DIY build
Matt how do I test my power supply to see if it is faulty.I have the same one that you show first in the video.
Send more info and questions to email Matt@mwlaser.com.au
Is your frame grounded to the mains outlet? or to an earth ground rod? or both? and what about your electronics?
my setup is grounded via the mains outlet.
I'm working up a list of parts to build my own in a similar style to this but I have a question about the control. If I'm going to be using a PC as the control source, do I still need the screen panel?
yes
@@MWLaser That's disappointing. So is that panel primarily required for the laser or is it fundamental to the entire electronic package used here?
-
I'm basing my design largely off the motor array that ThisOldTony used in his mill conversion, so closed loop servos rather than steppers. Ideally I'd like to rely on a PC as the control input and cut out anything that's redundant or extra.
-
Do you have any good resources you recommend reading/watching on this?
Hello Matt!
How did you calculate the microsteps on the 3DM580 drive?
Are you wanting to know how to calculate & calibrate steps on the controller for your X&Y stepper motors? Which controller are you using? (email matt@mwlaser.com.au for more info)
Sorry if there is a delay in reply we are preparing to move premises.
Matt, your timing on this project is amazing. I have a few questions before I start ordering parts. I'm actually hoping to build a dual-tube setup with the 90w and a 150w with dual heads.
Do you see any reason the same idea wouldn't work well with the 1400x1000 bed size? I'm hoping to cut plastic sheet and fit four 18"x24" in the machine at a time. Do you feel the 90w tube can go low power enough for detailed engraving? We also hope to cut some paper/ cardstock in the machine. That's why I was thinking about the dual laser setup.
"The stepper motors I use are Leadshine 573S15-L and 573S09-L" --- these are for the X and Y correct? Both using the 3DM580 drivers?
The DMA860H
driver is for the bed control correct? It comes with the kit as well as the motors correct?
Any problems I should expect or look out for??
Thanks!
Frank
Replied via email - Cheers Matt
Can you inform me where i can get the electrical plugs used on the motor controllers? 4 and or 6 wire plugs.
You will find a link to these connectors on my webpage - mwlaser.com.au/part-6-wiring-of-components/
may I buy a co2 laser wiring
Wiring Guides Available on My Website
TROCEN AWC 708S - mwlaser.com.au/product/ebook-matts-diy-laser-wiring-guide/
RUIDA RDC 644X - mwlaser.com.au/product/ebook-matts-diy-laser-wiring-guide-for-ruida-rdc-644x-controllers/
Hi do you have wiring diagram .?in color s thank
I don't have diagram in colour but I have produced this easy to follow document available on my website. Cheers Matt
mwlaser.com.au/product/ebook-matts-diy-laser-wiring-guide/
can i remplace stepper motor with servo motor
Yes you can. Your choice to use stepper or servo motors.
Configuration steps on controller are the same. Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser Think you so match plis more video for laser works
Hello, could you provide me with all the detailed links in file.
I would very much like your help. If you have a detailed file, please send it to me.
mwlaser.com.au/diy-laser-build/
mwlaser.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/DIY-LASER-BUILD-Cost-Estimate-For-1300x900mm-Cutting-Area-Single-Co2-Laser-Machine-MW-Laser.pdf
hello ... congratulations 😊👍 can you put the subtitles in Italian? in the options ... I'd like to understand what you say 😁🙏
I don't know Italian language, maybe someone can assist you with translation
Emergency stopped button
Wring tell me please
check the wiring diagram from your emergency stop button manufacturer
Hello I would like to take a doubt my engines are making noise. Even though he's standing still. This is normal to happen. The engines I use and the drives are the same as the video
no not normal
@@MWLaser How do I stop this hiss in the engine?
@@franciscolucivando9122 I'm experiencing same problem right now (not the same motors, or drivers as yours) .. I spoke to the local seller and he confirmed, those steppers are not assembled with original chipset, so I actually bought fake cheap steppers, which can't handle current and the voltage. I believe, I can stop hissing my motors and significantly improve their behaviour with new, more expensive (but original) steppers with some nice features, like automatic current regulation, or silent mode.. In most cases (as I did my research), replacing steppers always helped (So try to check if they are not fake ones) .. In a week or so, I should get new steppers, so will connect them and report if anything changed. Hope you have sorted it out meanwhile.
@@rudi.s I still haven't been able to solve this problem. I had asked, for several people and no one knows what this hiss that appears on the engine is. I bought these engines at Cloudray-motor-store.
U not show laser shot video
Hello mr, my name is wita, i am from bali, i have cnc router with driver match 3, i want to replace with laser co2, can you help me how use this, any tutorial or your whatsup nomber please🙏
email your request to matt@mwlaser.com.au with more information
Your videos are well done, but I got to say. Some of the things you do don't make a lot of sense in the performance aspect of the equation. The main one being adding all that unnecessary weight to the nozzle. SPT's new integrated red dot tubes are where it's at if you must have one. Anyhow, reducing nozzle weight is one of the most critical things you can do yet gets over looked more than just about everything else. Increased Dynamic loads and loss of acceleration/deceleration speeds are the real problem with home built and 99% of all Chinese kit and prebuilt units. The carts and nozzles are way to heavy.
Attaching more junk to them is a terrible idea.
Thanks for the feedback, I do use a beam combiner on my machines, eliminating the red dot from the laser nozzle tube.