For a lot more exclusive content and help with your gardening and food forest projects, join our community here: www.skool.com/the-survival-gardener Thank you, members, for making this presentation possible! You can join for a week for free and check out the videos - it's a great resource. And get Landrace Gardening here: amzn.to/3ZAuvk6
I bought a burpee sun gold tomato at Home Depot years ago. It liked my yard so much those tomatoes volunteer every year. As long as I don’t get sued, they’re still really good.
Yep the best peaches i have are from a guy that was like, “You want some peach trees? They came from seeds just dumped out here.” Best choice of peaches Ive made. I just wish it didn’t take so long for fruit trees to get fruit from
For those in the Central Texas area, there is a small seed company called Brim Seed Company growing their own seed, "southern adapted" to local conditions. Shout out to them!
We just had a freeze in South Georgia last week but today it’s 78 degrees so I’m weeding and cutting back the frost damaged plants and shoveling wood chips. Still in Mid December! I harvested a bunch of peppers in. My greenhouse this morning. I have tomatoes forming in another greenhouse. My ginger in the greenhouse didn’t even die back. I’m thrilled but man…. It’s a lot of work. I get days here and there of brakes from the garden but not months! lol!
I love when a growing philosophy gels so well with what my garden instincts tell me through experience! This is a better way of saying what I usually just call "chuck it in and see, only the resilient survive in my lazy garden; and when they do, they usually hang around on their own" when people ask me. Have been watching you for years mate, now doing research for my own little vids and was delighted to find this one! Thanks both of you and hi from Oz 😊
What a great interaction between the two of you! Loved it! Adaptation Gardening is the key not only to have great survival gardening products but also the only way to preserve food biodiversity!
I germinate haas avocado seeds and grow them unprotected in zone 9a. I can’t claim to be a great or successful gardener/Nurssry/Orchard guy but I am testing seed grown tropicals for cold hardiness. If I am ever successful and end up with something cold hardy that tastes good I will be giving away cuttings/scions to any nursery folks who want to get them out to customers. Hopefully I move them to zone 8b for someone to push them further. Maybe a mango or avocado survive a cold winter here. All of them survived the 30 degree night but they were close to the greenhouse which radiates heat. It was cold enough to partially damage Cassava and Chaya. I want to see more people start fruits from seed and cold test them and connect with gardeners and nursery folks in the next coldest zone.
@@johnliberty3647 cold hardy avocados, awsome! 😍😁 I’m here in the row to push it further when they reach zone 7b… 😂 at least we have enough water and hot summers! 🤷♀️🤩
To avert potential disaster, I always keep half of whatever seed I'm planting. That way if it fails I can replant or use the next year as backup, and then only plant half of the backups. Always mark and date the seeds you save.
I've never heard of Joseph. the day before yesterday he liked my permie post and then today I see you with him wow what are the chances of that😅😂. Great podcast btw!
The old fashioned big varieties are easiest. Last year I grew Sangeria for the first time. They are heavy feeders, want lots of water and direct sunshine. That's it. This year I am planting more. In the middle of each hill of seeds I will drive down a T post, and install a tree watering bag. It will slowly leak 15 gallons of water over several days.
Such a good lesson. I'm using both of your garden "stuff" and my everglade tomatoes are running wild! Along with cilantro and a basil and zinnias, totally awsome. Were a small legit homestead in Central TX, zone 8a. Crazy heat, no rain then flood. Have been adapting seed for 11 years, nature knows best! All the best to you both.
I saved seeds from Broadleaf Mustard that survived the biggest drought and worst heatwave we`ve ever had in Louisiana that grew in poor soil amid a jungle of cow pea varieties through spring, summer, winter and through another spring for over a year. The seeds I saved have done much better than the parent seeds and will grow anywhere they fall and they`re very vigorous plants. I`m gonna save seeds next spring from ones growing side by side with red Japanese mustard which is far less vigorous here.
This past season was year 3 on my adaptive corn patch. The variety in the corn patch was crazy. The most interesting is sweet corn type kernels with flecks of purple. They kinda look like jelly beans. I'm going to try them in a different plot to see if that trait carries through the next generation. Great talk, I did a search a few days ago to see if Joseph had any new talks up. Thank you both
I got a blue Hubbard squash that seemed to have crossed w a Sweet Dumpling. It was green and white striped, football shape and size - and sweet sweet sweet. Those tiny sweet dumplings crossed with anything that was willing. I thought I had done it All Wrong. Ordered the book. Can’t wait!! Thx!!
One day when My wife and I got to church right in front of where we parked was a single 10-in stem with a ping pong ball sized tomato that was bright red on it. We left it there and went inside. What I failed to mention is that we had been going through about a month or two drought and it was the middle of a Florida 9B summer. Next week it was gone. I kick myself everyday for not taking that tomato and saving the seeds.
We call it “stress-training.” Put the plants under “controlled” stressful conditions and let it naturally figure out how to survive. Those that die, clearly are weak… and those that thrive typically have the suitable characteristics you desire.
Great interview! I watched some videos about Mr Lofthouse when you first mentioned him years ago, but I have not much space to play with now...but I do save my seeds, and they have done okay, mostly. Thanks!!
Thanks to you, David, I have his book. And I grew cucumbers and soup beans for them from seeds I got from Going to seed a couple of years ago. I think I'll read the book again. Good to see both of you!
The darn algorithm kept me busy till now. I support your remarkable convictions. Wish I could do more. I plan to binge on a bunch of your videos as soon as I can get down to it. Thanks for what you do!
.Tomatoes grow like weeds here. If you eat store bought tomatoes and use compost toilet waste in your backyard you can end up with some interesting results. Last season a tomato plant popped up that was very vigorous and whilst the fruit was rather small and average tasting when I picked the fruit it was able to stay fresh on my windowsill for over 3 months! I definitely saved the seeds of that one for planting later.
Wow, what a coincedence! I was just looking through my book wishlist and found that “Landrace gardening” book, what I put there because you mentioned it in another video… and trying to find out, what that is…. It’s even worse, when you try to find a propper translation to german! 😳🙈 and now… here it is: “Adaptive gardening” … have only heard the first 20 minutes, but it’s already soooo interesting! Thank you! 🙏🏻 Just ordered the book! 😁🙃
David, have you tried Cape Gooseberry/Golden Berry? They`re related to Ground Cherries but grow as a perennial in the South if care is taken to overwinter the main stem with mulching. The fruits on mine were devoured by something that left a hole in the husk and a pile of frass inside. They set fruit best in cooler temperatures and are so delicious. If planted in early spring they begin fruiting heavily in late fall and the next spring.
I am definitely a garden geek and lover of mother earth. I'm so engaged in your channel and yes have joined the scool. Wonderful interview, just common sense fun. I have found my peops! It just doesn't have to be that hard!! Yeahh .. Thank you for your joyful spirit and inspiration.
Wow, missed the Goodstream .....again but so enjoying and learning more about gardening from your guest, Joseph Lofthouse, when the Goodstream began I had gotten up to go to the bathroom and when I heard Joseph speak, I thought David has D.J. Moore, native Coloradoran from the western slope, but I'm seeing here accents are similar between Utahns and Coloradorans. 😁
I have landraced lunchbox peppers. I'm currently getting banana pepper sized fruits. Will be interesting to see what next years planting of this years seeds will produce. I had bell and lunchbox planted together, each season. The bells produce little.
This was amazing, my mind is racing with ideas. When I lived in upstate SC. I grew gourdseed corn. 2 packs of Texas gourdseed from which I saved a few seeds from the best ears. Then bought 1 pack of Virginia gourdseed. Did the same thing and next year bought a pack of Cherokee Gourdseed. I did it to maintain genetic diversity, and it was fun. Your presentation just gave us permission to save seeds from a hybrid tomato that I like and see what happens. That’s great!
When I was a kid on the farm, we grew for a garden stand, some summer squash seed we had was crossed with hard-shelled gourds and inedible, tossed those.
I live where not many plants choose to live but there is always something that makes it. What is interesting to me is how nothing grows when the package says it will grow. It is December 9th and we have had a few frosts. My tomatoes are coming in to fruit. I don't know if they will ripen; but, what if they do?
On other gardening forum I bring up Mr Lofthouse when people get overly preachy about non hybrid seeds and preventing cross pollination. I tell them I intentionally cross anything and everything. I want more people to find out what Mr Lofthouse is doing so we can all make seeds adapted to our environment. As far as GMO pollination goes, Even though it didn’t happen naturally I see GMO as a mutation and if it was meant to carry on its genes naturally then it was meant to be carried on.
Would this sorta be along the lines of if I started something called survive and advance gardening. Basically landracing but more about perennial root zone regrow to practices and not as much about the seed quality and more about root rhizomes bulb and cutting for propagation. Sorry if it’s redundant I have footage I need to get of my stuff after a hard freeze and how I expect all to come back solely from the root energy below the mulch layer. Anyways I’m at work and didn’t want to forget to post and ask!! Awesome stuff and love the guest I’ve watched a lot about him as well
Great information. Thank you for sharing. Now I am interested in tomato's with new special taste and in watermelons with fruity flavor. I am not sure if you know this channel SkillCult it is about growing different new varieties of apples.
kinda funny how you described the tomatoes issue ...we also have a similar situation with the sungold cherry tomatoes. I gotta say though, those tomatoes are so darn good, love the flavor..probably my favorite.
This was so interesting! I'm totally checking out the seed site, and I'm inspired to give this a try. I like to save seed and did this year.... I'm thinking about how to find fellow gardeners I might exchange seed with. 😁
P.s. Greg Schoen planted some older rainbow corn, on the eclipse, every seed germinated, it showed its origins as some was smaller kernals. Saved every one!
I'm in Chihuahua,, Mexico, brittle dry lands on a high altitude plateau. Winter squash: all the hard skinned ones were smaller and they all started to rot near spring. The soft skinned green and white striped Hindenburgs, the size of a wheel barrow, would stay in perfect conditions into the middle of summer. I'm not interested in the hard skinned ones either unless I'm making a painted container as a present.
People who say "have you lived in a village for 20 years?" Are the same ones who say dumb stuff like "I live in zone 8b when should I start my ______?" In an annual gardens when zones do not matter because it's all about first and last frost dates and what your temps are doing. Because 8b western WA is different than 8b North Carolina.
@davidthegood it's a method of depriving freshly germinated seed of nutrients for a period of time, giving them just enough to stay alive. This encourages deeper tap roots and more abundant side roots resulting in a much hardier and more productive adult plant... especially perennials.
stephen barstow have a nice food garden up in trondheim orway, (63"north)he also looks after a allium garden called chicago, in trondheim, with 400 types\vareietys. he have a few yt vids. tanks for a great video
I've been living without electricity for around 2 years now and definitely facing some challenges with food and seed storage due to extreme ends of heat/cold...any links, books, or advice on primitive/indigenous seed saving techniques one could share? I'm doing more saving, storing, and gardening than ever before in my life, living this way but could use some pointers. Thank goodness for glass jars, as mice and insects were destroying the seeds for a while but figuring things out :) I'm thinking root cellar 6' deep...Northern Kentucky climate - frozen winters and blistering summers. I love you Joseph and David ❤😊
The two things that destroy seeds are moisture and heat. Keeping them in jars is a good idea. Even better, add silica gel packets. Keep them someplace cool.
Here’s an example of indoor horticulture. That might shed some light… controlled environment through all aspects … And will forgo “technical terms or talking in tongues so people aren’t confused” So if you get the same variety of cannabis seeds, 1000 seeds, there are only gonna be usually about eight plants that are genetically… Considered “bangers“ these are used as mom‘s for future propagation. They are all grown under the same conditions. So I wouldn’t say it’s the “ecosystem“ as the blamed factor. You have a flower, that later on produces a pod with 700 Seeds. Said flower has multiple points of pollination. So if only 50 sites are pollinated, the flower closes up 50 seeds are viable. The other 650 aren’t think of it that way A plant can produce more genetic variations than a human being. So a plant grown in a certain environment can express certain genetic variations. But pollination viability and number of sites pollinated is also a factor. Genetic variation can be expressed through many different variables. Standby I’m putting my content together to provide clarity.
I know more non gardeners with awesome seed grown trees than i do gardeners. Gardeners are stuck on the true to seed bs while regular homeowners love eating from the tree from the random seeds they planted in the kitchen window.
@davidthegood That was my first thought but I agree with the OP if they said self life rather than taste. Not that I would be correct it’s just what I believe.
I am saving Everglades tomato seeds here in Interlachen (Putnam County). I am willing to share with anyone near by. I will have Interlachen mutt pepper as early as next season. In spring I will likely have surplus seedlings. Likely the peppers will be hot but not sure how hot. Eventually I want to start a local seed bank to share locally or donate to someone local who starts a seed store.
We had some Maryjane in the 90s adapted to winter temperatures in north Louisiana. It was a skunky purple variety from a mountain region in Afghanistan. It was planted in the fall, lived through winter like mustard greens and budded in spring. Thanks to tyranny the strain is now gone.
My dad was a bit of a landrace gardener… he only grew ornamentally, but I remember him saying that he only grew what survived with his method of care. He pretty much just turns the sprinkler on periodically. Not sure what his schedule was, if he had one. I don’t recall all the plants he had, but he had cosmos and coneflower and day lilies that did well with his ‘method’. Back then we didn’t have the internet. But this idea has always stuck with me. So when I became a gardener, I was dealing with zone irrigation. Usually there were three zones… a zone for trees, shrubs and annuals or other high water need or something. In the desert, you just gotta water stuff, bottom line. However, I was always very interested in landscape plants that could survive the desert with no water… there’s not many … but with just an occasional watering… lots of choices, relatively. I’ve always encouraged these plants. And then sometimes I’d come across a few plants that bucked the system. Usually it was the soil or the microclimate… but I never really considered that the plant itself maybe had a lot to do with its performance until maybe 6 or 7 years ago as gardening info blossomed online. I’ve been telling people to just plant seeds in their existing soil where it stands, and see what grows in it with very little input. Thanks for expanding on this!
Where is the revolution if your have no cash you can go like me as my seeds came from the street where i did find them. Buying them means traveling and cost money.
The majority of health issues these days are caused by the pollution and garbage food, not your genes. And remember that even genes that seem maladaptive are often just adaptive for different circumstances. So losing that diversity in the human gene pool could bite us big time as the world changes dramatically.
Tomatoes grow as a weed in my garden because I throw debris from my store bought cherry tomatoes into the compost bin (naughty I know). So they pop up all over my garden and grow like gang busters but stink bugs ruin most of the fruit. The fallen fruit then seeds the next generation so I guess I’m breeding the weak. 🫤
For a lot more exclusive content and help with your gardening and food forest projects, join our community here: www.skool.com/the-survival-gardener
Thank you, members, for making this presentation possible!
You can join for a week for free and check out the videos - it's a great resource.
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I am with you guys. Plant, grow, compost what does not make it, build more soil, repeat. Easy, nearly free, fun, rewarding. 😊😊😊
I bought a burpee sun gold tomato at Home Depot years ago. It liked my yard so much those tomatoes volunteer every year. As long as I don’t get sued, they’re still really good.
Good stuff! I love how we are all coming to similar conclusions and giving it different names. I have similar objectives but I call it chaos gardening
Thank you.
Wow that's pretty cool. Im a fan of landrace. Thank you for doing this interview.
‘Save Seeds n Grow Stuff’
If you don’t use that book title, I will !
Seedling peaches in my experience grow like crazy! It's awesome
They do!
Yep the best peaches i have are from a guy that was like, “You want some peach trees? They came from seeds just dumped out here.” Best choice of peaches Ive made. I just wish it didn’t take so long for fruit trees to get fruit from
@@CrossroadToCountry Faster than chestnuts or hickories, LOL
Adaptation Agriculture ahhh yesss
Awesome video, David. I purchased and binge read his book after seeing your previous video. Thank you very much for sharing.
I once saw a tomato growing up out of a storm sewer grate that had roots about 10 feet under the road.
Very cool.
For those in the Central Texas area, there is a small seed company called Brim Seed Company growing their own seed, "southern adapted" to local conditions. Shout out to them!
We just had a freeze in South Georgia last week but today it’s 78 degrees so I’m weeding and cutting back the frost damaged plants and shoveling wood chips. Still in Mid December! I harvested a bunch of peppers in. My greenhouse this morning. I have tomatoes forming in another greenhouse. My ginger in the greenhouse didn’t even die back. I’m thrilled but man…. It’s a lot of work. I get days here and there of brakes from the garden but not months! lol!
I love when a growing philosophy gels so well with what my garden instincts tell me through experience! This is a better way of saying what I usually just call "chuck it in and see, only the resilient survive in my lazy garden; and when they do, they usually hang around on their own" when people ask me. Have been watching you for years mate, now doing research for my own little vids and was delighted to find this one! Thanks both of you and hi from Oz 😊
In gardening when it counts Steve Solomon said he bred the terminator gene out of brassicas in one generation of crossing with another variety.
What a great interaction between the two of you! Loved it! Adaptation Gardening is the key not only to have great survival gardening products but also the only way to preserve food biodiversity!
Who knew DTG owned a sportscoat?
Wish more people were working with avocados to make them more cold hardy
I germinate haas avocado seeds and grow them unprotected in zone 9a. I can’t claim to be a great or successful gardener/Nurssry/Orchard guy but I am testing seed grown tropicals for cold hardiness. If I am ever successful and end up with something cold hardy that tastes good I will be giving away cuttings/scions to any nursery folks who want to get them out to customers. Hopefully I move them to zone 8b for someone to push them further. Maybe a mango or avocado survive a cold winter here. All of them survived the 30 degree night but they were close to the greenhouse which radiates heat. It was cold enough to partially damage Cassava and Chaya.
I want to see more people start fruits from seed and cold test them and connect with gardeners and nursery folks in the next coldest zone.
hey - yall 2 should get together & throw caution to the... cold.
Try the cold hardy in zone 8a Mexican Avocado variety. Millennial Gardener did a video about it.
@@johnliberty3647 cold hardy avocados, awsome! 😍😁 I’m here in the row to push it further when they reach zone 7b… 😂 at least we have enough water and hot summers! 🤷♀️🤩
Yes, I watched that an no others. Would be nice to get one even hardier though. Smaller fruit okay by me.
To avert potential disaster, I always keep half of whatever seed I'm planting. That way if it fails I can replant or use the next year as backup, and then only plant half of the backups.
Always mark and date the seeds you save.
I've never heard of Joseph. the day before yesterday he liked my permie post and then today I see you with him wow what are the chances of that😅😂. Great podcast btw!
Everglades tomato is a weed in my landscape, just made a short about me and my son foraging for them!
Great ground cover. If I need to remove some I cut them with the berries attached and mulch them into an area where I want them to seed.
I really want to grow watermelons! It's never worked out. Next year is gonna be the year I harvest a watermelon.
The old fashioned big varieties are easiest. Last year I grew Sangeria for the first time. They are heavy feeders, want lots of water and direct sunshine. That's it. This year I am planting more. In the middle of each hill of seeds I will drive down a T post, and install a tree watering bag. It will slowly leak 15 gallons of water over several days.
Fantastic. Definetly going to start practicing this style of gardening. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.
That convo about his customers buying because of taste is golden. Great interview, David!
Such a good lesson. I'm using both of your garden "stuff" and my everglade tomatoes are running wild! Along with cilantro and a basil and zinnias, totally awsome. Were a small legit homestead in Central TX, zone 8a. Crazy heat, no rain then flood. Have been adapting seed for 11 years, nature knows best! All the best to you both.
I saved seeds from Broadleaf Mustard that survived the biggest drought and worst heatwave we`ve ever had in Louisiana that grew in poor soil amid a jungle of cow pea varieties through spring, summer, winter and through another spring for over a year. The seeds I saved have done much better than the parent seeds and will grow anywhere they fall and they`re very vigorous plants. I`m gonna save seeds next spring from ones growing side by side with red Japanese mustard which is far less vigorous here.
I added his book to my library back in 2022. Was hoping to read and put some of it to practice by now.
Great discussion with Joseph. Thanks David!
Excellent, excellent, excellent -I am sold on this approach. Ray Delbury Sussex County NJ
Glad you guys did this, really enjoyed your episode of Going to Seed!
This past season was year 3 on my adaptive corn patch. The variety in the corn patch was crazy. The most interesting is sweet corn type kernels with flecks of purple. They kinda look like jelly beans. I'm going to try them in a different plot to see if that trait carries through the next generation. Great talk, I did a search a few days ago to see if Joseph had any new talks up. Thank you both
Wonderful interview, by two of my favorite people :)
I got a blue Hubbard squash that seemed to have crossed w a Sweet Dumpling. It was green and white striped, football shape and size - and sweet sweet sweet. Those tiny sweet dumplings crossed with anything that was willing. I thought I had done it All Wrong. Ordered the book. Can’t wait!! Thx!!
One day when My wife and I got to church right in front of where we parked was a single 10-in stem with a ping pong ball sized tomato that was bright red on it. We left it there and went inside. What I failed to mention is that we had been going through about a month or two drought and it was the middle of a Florida 9B summer. Next week it was gone. I kick myself everyday for not taking that tomato and saving the seeds.
We call it “stress-training.” Put the plants under “controlled” stressful conditions and let it naturally figure out how to survive. Those that die, clearly are weak… and those that thrive typically have the suitable characteristics you desire.
Great interview! I watched some videos about Mr Lofthouse when you first mentioned him years ago, but I have not much space to play with now...but I do save my seeds, and they have done okay, mostly. Thanks!!
That was a great interview thanks so much David!!!
Fantastic video DTG. Thank you.❤
Great interview! This is such an important topic to be discussing and promoting …
Thanks to you, David, I have his book. And I grew cucumbers and soup beans for them from seeds I got from Going to seed a couple of years ago. I think I'll read the book again. Good to see both of you!
The darn algorithm kept me busy till now. I support your remarkable convictions. Wish I could do more. I plan to binge on a bunch of your videos as soon as I can get down to it. Thanks for what you do!
Awesome, I've been missing his podcast, even though he's not normally on it... So it's good to get this interview.
.Tomatoes grow like weeds here. If you eat store bought tomatoes and use compost toilet waste in your backyard you can end up with some interesting results. Last season a tomato plant popped up that was very vigorous and whilst the fruit was rather small and average tasting when I picked the fruit it was able to stay fresh on my windowsill for over 3 months! I definitely saved the seeds of that one for planting later.
Wow, what a coincedence! I was just looking through my book wishlist and found that “Landrace gardening” book, what I put there because you mentioned it in another video… and trying to find out, what that is…. It’s even worse, when you try to find a propper translation to german! 😳🙈 and now… here it is: “Adaptive gardening” … have only heard the first 20 minutes, but it’s already soooo interesting! Thank you! 🙏🏻 Just ordered the book! 😁🙃
David, have you tried Cape Gooseberry/Golden Berry? They`re related to Ground Cherries but grow as a perennial in the South if care is taken to overwinter the main stem with mulching. The fruits on mine were devoured by something that left a hole in the husk and a pile of frass inside. They set fruit best in cooler temperatures and are so delicious. If planted in early spring they begin fruiting heavily in late fall and the next spring.
I have had them show up on accident. Planted a few on purpose, but didn't get anything.
Fascinating and informative chat.
I am definitely a garden geek and lover of mother earth. I'm so engaged in your channel and yes have joined the scool. Wonderful interview, just common sense fun. I have found my peops! It just doesn't have to be that hard!! Yeahh .. Thank you for your joyful spirit and inspiration.
Thank you - glad you are here.
the best guest since dr pinkington!
Wow, missed the Goodstream .....again but so enjoying and learning more about gardening from your guest, Joseph Lofthouse, when the Goodstream began I had gotten up to go to the bathroom and when I heard Joseph speak, I thought David has D.J. Moore, native Coloradoran from the western slope, but I'm seeing here accents are similar between Utahns and Coloradorans. 😁
I have landraced lunchbox peppers. I'm currently getting banana pepper sized fruits. Will be interesting to see what
next years planting of this years seeds will produce. I had bell and lunchbox planted together, each season.
The bells produce little.
I have some local organic sweetcorn seed. Untreated seed I bought in 2017 and keep seed in my deepfreeze and still get nearly 100% germination.
This was amazing, my mind is racing with ideas. When I lived in upstate SC. I grew gourdseed corn. 2 packs of Texas gourdseed from which I saved a few seeds from the best ears. Then bought 1 pack of Virginia gourdseed. Did the same thing and next year bought a pack of Cherokee Gourdseed. I did it to maintain genetic diversity, and it was fun.
Your presentation just gave us permission to save seeds from a hybrid tomato that I like and see what happens. That’s great!
What hybrid tomato do you like?
@ I grow several but Celebrity and Bella Rosa do well here where I live in zone 9.
Sheffield's seeds gives the origin of the seeds.
Ty… glad u mentioned this!
Great stuff! Really enjoyed this, thank you. 🙌
When I was a kid on the farm, we grew for a garden stand, some summer squash seed we had was crossed with hard-shelled gourds and inedible, tossed those.
Yay! To food forests!
Joe Lofthouse is an idol of mine
I live where not many plants choose to live but there is always something that makes it.
What is interesting to me is how nothing grows when the package says it will grow. It is December 9th and we have had a few frosts. My tomatoes are coming in to fruit. I don't know if they will ripen; but, what if they do?
On other gardening forum I bring up Mr Lofthouse when people get overly preachy about non hybrid seeds and preventing cross pollination. I tell them I intentionally cross anything and everything.
I want more people to find out what Mr Lofthouse is doing so we can all make seeds adapted to our environment.
As far as GMO pollination goes, Even though it didn’t happen naturally I see GMO as a mutation and if it was meant to carry on its genes naturally then it was meant to be carried on.
People love to get hung up on anything that might discourage people from trying. Just try it!
Thank you this is brilliant!
It is gardening through natural selection. I do that with my goat herd. Just as David mentioned about the sheep farm.
Would this sorta be along the lines of if I started something called survive and advance gardening. Basically landracing but more about perennial root zone regrow to practices and not as much about the seed quality and more about root rhizomes bulb and cutting for propagation. Sorry if it’s redundant I have footage I need to get of my stuff after a hard freeze and how I expect all to come back solely from the root energy below the mulch layer. Anyways I’m at work and didn’t want to forget to post and ask!! Awesome stuff and love the guest I’ve watched a lot about him as well
Great interview! I've learned a lot about this on Permies but I love getting longform video content like this. Please do more interviews. :)
Great information. Thank you for sharing. Now I am interested in tomato's with new special taste and in watermelons with fruity flavor. I am not sure if you know this channel SkillCult it is about growing different new varieties of apples.
Yes - he is a friend of mine. Very sharp guy.
kinda funny how you described the tomatoes issue ...we also have a similar situation with the sungold cherry tomatoes. I gotta say though, those tomatoes are so darn good, love the flavor..probably my favorite.
This was so interesting! I'm totally checking out the seed site, and I'm inspired to give this a try. I like to save seed and did this year.... I'm thinking about how to find fellow gardeners I might exchange seed with. 😁
Very cinematic video. Felt like I was there.
For some reason, YT cut the top and bottom bars off.
P.s. Greg Schoen planted some older rainbow corn, on the eclipse, every seed germinated, it showed its origins as some was smaller kernals. Saved every one!
Reminds me of The Natural Way of Farming by Masanobu Fukuoka
I'm in Chihuahua,, Mexico, brittle dry lands on a high altitude plateau. Winter squash: all the hard skinned ones were smaller and they all started to rot near spring. The soft skinned green and white striped Hindenburgs, the size of a wheel barrow, would stay in perfect conditions into the middle of summer. I'm not interested in the hard skinned ones either unless I'm making a painted container as a present.
People who say "have you lived in a village for 20 years?" Are the same ones who say dumb stuff like "I live in zone 8b when should I start my ______?" In an annual gardens when zones do not matter because it's all about first and last frost dates and what your temps are doing. Because 8b western WA is different than 8b North Carolina.
Stefan Sobkowiak did a program within the past year on "seed programming". Wondering if you've experiment on this technique (??).
I am not sure what he means by that, but I like his work. Have not seen it.
@davidthegood it's a method of depriving freshly germinated seed of nutrients for a period of time, giving them just enough to stay alive. This encourages deeper tap roots and more abundant side roots resulting in a much hardier and more productive adult plant... especially perennials.
@@melodyscamman244 I've seen that video. It makes lots of sense. I love Stefan and his methods.
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I thought "race" was like a foot race, like a race between the plants. 😂
stephen barstow have a nice food garden up in trondheim
orway, (63"north)he also looks after a allium garden called chicago, in trondheim, with 400 types\vareietys. he have a few yt vids. tanks for a great video
I've been living without electricity for around 2 years now and definitely facing some challenges with food and seed storage due to extreme ends of heat/cold...any links, books, or advice on primitive/indigenous seed saving techniques one could share? I'm doing more saving, storing, and gardening than ever before in my life, living this way but could use some pointers. Thank goodness for glass jars, as mice and insects were destroying the seeds for a while but figuring things out :) I'm thinking root cellar 6' deep...Northern Kentucky climate - frozen winters and blistering summers. I love you Joseph and David ❤😊
The two things that destroy seeds are moisture and heat. Keeping them in jars is a good idea. Even better, add silica gel packets. Keep them someplace cool.
Fedco is transparent about where the seeds come from. They are from Maine.
Here’s an example of indoor horticulture. That might shed some light… controlled environment through all aspects …
And will forgo “technical terms or talking in tongues so people aren’t confused”
So if you get the same variety of cannabis seeds, 1000 seeds, there are only gonna be usually about eight plants that are genetically… Considered “bangers“ these are used as mom‘s for future propagation.
They are all grown under the same conditions. So I wouldn’t say it’s the “ecosystem“ as the blamed factor.
You have a flower, that later on produces a pod with 700 Seeds. Said flower has multiple points of pollination. So if only 50 sites are pollinated, the flower closes up 50 seeds are viable. The other 650 aren’t
think of it that way
A plant can produce more genetic variations than a human being. So a plant grown in a certain environment can express certain genetic variations. But pollination viability and number of sites pollinated is also a factor.
Genetic variation can be expressed through many different variables. Standby I’m putting my content together to provide clarity.
I know more non gardeners with awesome seed grown trees than i do gardeners. Gardeners are stuck on the true to seed bs while regular homeowners love eating from the tree from the random seeds they planted in the kitchen window.
Good point. Many gardeners are rules followers!
58:35 Possibly bilberry?
If it thrives keep it. it it fails compost it and feed it to your thriving plants
19:28 I heard, people just growing for taste (& looks) is why our foods are less nutrient dense...
On the other hand, better flavor can also mean higher nutrient levels.
@davidthegood That was my first thought but I agree with the OP if they said self life rather than taste. Not that I would be correct it’s just what I believe.
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Is there much difference between the editions on amazon?
It is not so much the cold as wet feet they absolutely can’t cope with wet roots
I need seeds that are adopted to N Florida
I am saving Everglades tomato seeds here in Interlachen (Putnam County). I am willing to share with anyone near by. I will have Interlachen mutt pepper as early as next season. In spring I will likely have surplus seedlings. Likely the peppers will be hot but not sure how hot. Eventually I want to start a local seed bank to share locally or donate to someone local who starts a seed store.
This is how you get them!
We had some Maryjane in the 90s adapted to winter temperatures in north Louisiana. It was a skunky purple variety from a mountain region in Afghanistan. It was planted in the fall, lived through winter like mustard greens and budded in spring. Thanks to tyranny the strain is now gone.
GMO is the opposite of adaption gardening
My dad was a bit of a landrace gardener… he only grew ornamentally, but I remember him saying that he only grew what survived with his method of care. He pretty much just turns the sprinkler on periodically. Not sure what his schedule was, if he had one. I don’t recall all the plants he had, but he had cosmos and coneflower and day lilies that did well with his ‘method’. Back then we didn’t have the internet. But this idea has always stuck with me. So when I became a gardener, I was dealing with zone irrigation. Usually there were three zones… a zone for trees, shrubs and annuals or other high water need or something. In the desert, you just gotta water stuff, bottom line. However, I was always very interested in landscape plants that could survive the desert with no water… there’s not many … but with just an occasional watering… lots of choices, relatively. I’ve always encouraged these plants. And then sometimes I’d come across a few plants that bucked the system. Usually it was the soil or the microclimate… but I never really considered that the plant itself maybe had a lot to do with its performance until maybe 6 or 7 years ago as gardening info blossomed online. I’ve been telling people to just plant seeds in their existing soil where it stands, and see what grows in it with very little input. Thanks for expanding on this!
When will 2025 seeds become available?
I thought that just royalty and aristocracy inbreed but here you are ... tomatoes as well.
Ah, packaged in the USA gets sold as USA product in many ways.
Joseph looks like John Stewart. Is that just me?
Where is the revolution if your have no cash you can go like me as my seeds came from the street where i did find them. Buying them means traveling and cost money.
Where are you?
@OfftoShambala Africa
Money does that
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Hah, personally, this is a good thing for me. It's called NATURAL SELECTION. This should apply to human health as well.
Stress on ‘natural’
The majority of health issues these days are caused by the pollution and garbage food, not your genes. And remember that even genes that seem maladaptive are often just adaptive for different circumstances. So losing that diversity in the human gene pool could bite us big time as the world changes dramatically.
Great inspiration to innovate, guys! Can’t wait to get my hands dirty!
Tomatoes grow as a weed in my garden because I throw debris from my store bought cherry tomatoes into the compost bin (naughty I know). So they pop up all over my garden and grow like gang busters but stink bugs ruin most of the fruit. The fallen fruit then seeds the next generation so I guess I’m breeding the weak. 🫤
Stink bugs are the main reason I stop growing in the summer. Sub tropical coastal Qld Oz