Why can’t it be like the good old days, writing criticism and responding to your own critics with barbed invectives, all in fine Latin? And why can't we wear neck ruffs and fancy hats? But seriously, literary criticism is so important for improvement.
Great essay. It is hard to separate the ego from the work, especially if you reach the status of teacher, but education is a life-long journey and so are the mistakes that will be made.
Thanks a lot for your essay! You counter these points very skillfully and systematically. I was wondering if there ís some list, in fact, of Latin novellas ranked according to their Latinitas. I am teaching a friend of mine Latin privately and I would love to recommend her more diverse materials other than LLPSI. However, I am always weary of novellas by authors I do not know, since I never know if the Latinitas is going to be subpar.
I have to thank you from the bottom of my heart for many of the insights you have put into this (video)essay: it's certainly food for thought. I personally think that the fact that most teachers can't produce correct, continous language is kind of an open secret that is harming us as a community and, as it seems, the time for some self-examination has finally come even if someone, when confronted with some accurate response about the subject, simply says that they could honestly care less about how you teach or why. I don't see why any professional should say anything like that. I have to disagree only on one point: you said that you hopes for a bettering of the quality of the material were dashed, but I don't think so. Maybe you haven't noticed it because you were working on the very thing, but your "The Lover's Course" is an actual sign of improvement as a proofreaded, edited, well done piece of teacher made material itself! I think that you are finally setting a standard even for much simpler, shorter and original novellas. Also, don't you think that a course in writing latin for novellas could be better than those self-publishing panels you talked about? These amazing (they are all amazing) teachers are working MUCH above their possibilities to write all this stuff and need to be supported in some way. Also, that could set some sort of standard maybe based around Familia Romana, as you pointed out. Thanks again for the video!
Let me ask you a question. If we are homeschooling children, what resources would you recommend? Most resources out there are of course based on the grammar method. I know you're not a fan. I'd love to do comprehensible input, but there's the lack of content. Only thing I can think of is somehow become fluent in Latin myself using self study method then stepping into the role of teacher.
if you ask me, the fact that different languages have different ways of saying things, even within the grammatical framework of what's technically not wrong and what sounds natural to a speaker of the language, is something tgat i find absolutely beautiful about language in general. I don't like the idea of presenting a false impression of a language that doesn't match the actual use of the language, and the last thing we should be doing in my opinion is silencing people who point out how we can better our writing.
While we’re on the subject of novella criticism, can we talk about how strange and slapped together the covers and illustrations are for some of these? I’m talking like “this person shouldn’t be allowed within 15 feet of Shutterstock” levels of slapped together. Seriously, I’d be willing to take on some of these as charity work, they’re THAT bad.
@@theromancrow I dunno, I think beyond a certain point, the amateur cover art adds to the charm. It definitely beats artificially smooth AI art or boring textbook covers when you have an anime-style Trojan horse scene as cover art and similarly executed illustrations throughout (Bellum Troianum). And my feelings for the stock image photoshopped cover art of Pegasus et Bellerophon just keep getting better every time I look at it (particularly since that novella had a good plot and themes). The covers can be distinctively weird but show some funky personality to them. It would probably be better for book sales if certain cover designs were more professional looking, but at least it has little impact on the pedagogical usefulness of the text.
@@RoyalKnightVIII Arguably the law is only there to allow the employer to reproduce the curriculum content made by the employee in the course of their regular duties without the employee being able to sue copyright infringement. But the way it's worded is basically all or nothing, copyright of works made by a teacher doing their regular teaching job belong to the school as author and copyright holder. It's not very likely to be acted upon but the technical possibility is there. Too much production - the problem is a kind of fanatical fixation on quantity as a measure of CI success. It comes out in focusing too much on quantifiable results like having a small unique vocabulary count (with cognates as workarounds to make the practical unique Latin vocab count even lower) as the main yardstick of whether something is helpful for learners, coupled with wanting to see the sheer amount of novellas go up (because then students will be more enthusiastic about reading the books, because more choices means students will be able to pick a book they like). So if students aren't engaged enough or aren't acquiring enough of the language for any reason, or if critics don't like particular novellas, the solution is the same... just tell everyone to write more novellas until the problems are all fixed. (It can't be anything to do with, say, curriculum time constraints, quality of resources, how well novellas scale in difficulty into authentic texts, student motivation issues...) If something is wrong it's a sign there aren't enough novellas... it's the same conclusion whether there are 10... 100... 150... there is no end point
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Love your enthusiasm!
Best wishes that all goes smoothly for you on your next adventure!
@@Depressed_Dinosaur Thank you! I'm excited!
Why can’t it be like the good old days, writing criticism and responding to your own critics with barbed invectives, all in fine Latin? And why can't we wear neck ruffs and fancy hats?
But seriously, literary criticism is so important for improvement.
I love this!
Great essay. It is hard to separate the ego from the work, especially if you reach the status of teacher, but education is a life-long journey and so are the mistakes that will be made.
Good to hear from you again.
Thanks a lot for your essay! You counter these points very skillfully and systematically.
I was wondering if there ís some list, in fact, of Latin novellas ranked according to their Latinitas. I am teaching a friend of mine Latin privately and I would love to recommend her more diverse materials other than LLPSI. However, I am always weary of novellas by authors I do not know, since I never know if the Latinitas is going to be subpar.
I did not know about this issue but i thank you very much for bringing it up and agree with you whole heartedly.
I have to thank you from the bottom of my heart for many of the insights you have put into this (video)essay: it's certainly food for thought. I personally think that the fact that most teachers can't produce correct, continous language is kind of an open secret that is harming us as a community and, as it seems, the time for some self-examination has finally come even if someone, when confronted with some accurate response about the subject, simply says that they could honestly care less about how you teach or why. I don't see why any professional should say anything like that.
I have to disagree only on one point: you said that you hopes for a bettering of the quality of the material were dashed, but I don't think so. Maybe you haven't noticed it because you were working on the very thing, but your "The Lover's Course" is an actual sign of improvement as a proofreaded, edited, well done piece of teacher made material itself! I think that you are finally setting a standard even for much simpler, shorter and original novellas.
Also, don't you think that a course in writing latin for novellas could be better than those self-publishing panels you talked about? These amazing (they are all amazing) teachers are working MUCH above their possibilities to write all this stuff and need to be supported in some way. Also, that could set some sort of standard maybe based around Familia Romana, as you pointed out.
Thanks again for the video!
Carla’s back! We beginners need your wise counsel and sage advice. Really enjoying Lover’s Curse.
Love your book!
I join in your heartfelt approval. The book is motivating, inspiring.🥰
@@Qarlo99 Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying my book!
could you do a video on what quality latin novellas you do recommend? I cannot seem to find any resources on that
Thank you for this excellent essay.
So happy to see that big belly! 👶 Maximam felicitatem tibi opto.
Let me ask you a question. If we are homeschooling children, what resources would you recommend? Most resources out there are of course based on the grammar method. I know you're not a fan. I'd love to do comprehensible input, but there's the lack of content. Only thing I can think of is somehow become fluent in Latin myself using self study method then stepping into the role of teacher.
if you ask me, the fact that different languages have different ways of saying things, even within the grammatical framework of what's technically not wrong and what sounds natural to a speaker of the language, is something tgat i find absolutely beautiful about language in general. I don't like the idea of presenting a false impression of a language that doesn't match the actual use of the language, and the last thing we should be doing in my opinion is silencing people who point out how we can better our writing.
Mirin that poster on the door. (take a break from Reddit though)
I just bought a copy of The Lover’s Curse \o/
While we’re on the subject of novella criticism, can we talk about how strange and slapped together the covers and illustrations are for some of these? I’m talking like “this person shouldn’t be allowed within 15 feet of Shutterstock” levels of slapped together. Seriously, I’d be willing to take on some of these as charity work, they’re THAT bad.
@@theromancrow I dunno, I think beyond a certain point, the amateur cover art adds to the charm. It definitely beats artificially smooth AI art or boring textbook covers when you have an anime-style Trojan horse scene as cover art and similarly executed illustrations throughout (Bellum Troianum). And my feelings for the stock image photoshopped cover art of Pegasus et Bellerophon just keep getting better every time I look at it (particularly since that novella had a good plot and themes). The covers can be distinctively weird but show some funky personality to them. It would probably be better for book sales if certain cover designs were more professional looking, but at least it has little impact on the pedagogical usefulness of the text.
@@FoundinAntiquityLol, honestly anything is better than AI
Copyright theft, ugh damned © culture
Anyways i suspected something like this was happening. There's too much production for a shrunken knowledge base.
I heard that the Winnie the Pooh translation was also very bad or at least substandard but saying that aloud was taboo
@@RoyalKnightVIII Arguably the law is only there to allow the employer to reproduce the curriculum content made by the employee in the course of their regular duties without the employee being able to sue copyright infringement. But the way it's worded is basically all or nothing, copyright of works made by a teacher doing their regular teaching job belong to the school as author and copyright holder. It's not very likely to be acted upon but the technical possibility is there.
Too much production - the problem is a kind of fanatical fixation on quantity as a measure of CI success. It comes out in focusing too much on quantifiable results like having a small unique vocabulary count (with cognates as workarounds to make the practical unique Latin vocab count even lower) as the main yardstick of whether something is helpful for learners, coupled with wanting to see the sheer amount of novellas go up (because then students will be more enthusiastic about reading the books, because more choices means students will be able to pick a book they like). So if students aren't engaged enough or aren't acquiring enough of the language for any reason, or if critics don't like particular novellas, the solution is the same... just tell everyone to write more novellas until the problems are all fixed. (It can't be anything to do with, say, curriculum time constraints, quality of resources, how well novellas scale in difficulty into authentic texts, student motivation issues...) If something is wrong it's a sign there aren't enough novellas... it's the same conclusion whether there are 10... 100... 150... there is no end point
@@FoundinAntiquity Indeed, a lot of people don't understand © even when they work in industries where you think they'd should.
As for production that sounds about right. It seems to be a classic case of quantity over quality.
I wish there could be serialization of said works so that the authors could get feedback in real time. But then you'd have the same problems of "unsolicited critique"... *Sigh*
Also glad you tackled the cult of Positivity. I've seen it infect many corners of the web and it's frustrating to see fake smiles get in the way of learning among other things.
Can someone give me a plan to learn Latin books?
damn thats a big belly