Marler was bang out of order with a comment like that, simple as that ! No sport should allow anyone to get away it & if that is Joe's idea of banter, I'll go to the foot of our stairs !!!
Exactly... there is a difference between banter and trying to provoke a fight to get another player yellow carded. Julián Montoya giving Jamie Ritchie a bit of lip was great banter (as a neutral great to watch...)
@@frankmcloughlin7076 Somebody should start a banter competition among the teams, preferably in the vernacular and very local, in Welsh, Gaelic, Afrikaans, Maori, Japanese etc...
Agree with Andy. Obnoxious behaviour and in the amateur game he’d have got lamped. Marler seems to thrive on this sort of thing and being in the limelight trying to be funny. He’s a typical bully boy prop. I’m not saying they all are, but I saw lots like Marler playing club rugby for 35 years. I’m English by the way, so no axe to grind.
I agree that Marler had no idea about the medical status of Heenans mother. His utterance is juvenile banter which might fly with a circle of adolescent friends who know each other. But he wasn't with a circle of friends, he was in a professional environment and on LIVE TV! I like Joe but sometimes thinking isn't his strong point. The ban is deserved and he should seek some advice from the club about behaviour.
Dicko should NOT be reffing Quins it leaves the door open for all sorts of accusations weather or not he’s swayed by the jersey shouldn’t even be a conversation Marler taking “ your mum “ bants to the next level was a silly thing to do but as you said 1 rule for all needs to be enforced across the board
I cannot believe that he did not hear it - look where he is standing relative to the two players - if Heenan heard it, then Dickson heard it - he wimped out
You’re both absolutely correct, and now he has quite clearly lied about it his position as an international ref is at the minimum compromised, as for Marler, given his previous a 12 month ban and 40k fine should have been given to send a message
The Big take away from this for me was, as AG pointed out, is the RFU circumnavigating the World Rubgy guidelines on this. The RFU statement said they had taken his previous poor disciplinary record into account.....and then said they had gone in at, what is world rugby's entry level, suspension and suspended 66% of it for 12 months. What sort of example does that set? Reply RFU or player on that question. Good point AG well made.
To me , he has a genuine personality disorder. The look, the way he speaks, attention seeking, mistakes outrageousness for being a "bit of a lad". He definitely needs some counselling. Interestingly, his Father was a psychologist.................
I think the biggest issue I had with it was it wasn't vaguely witty or amusing, just moronic. Nothing wrong with swearing or insults, as long as they are witty/amusing in some way at least...
Marler is getting very tedious very quickly. He's not a character, he's just developing himself as a brand to make money. It's very obvious. He champions himself as a mental health advocate but then says this. It's pathetic
Exactly. Why would you feel sorrow for his mental health struggles or mental health advocacy when he comes out with these idiotic childish comments. What age is he ? Dumb fool.
Can someone please clarify. Am I right in thinking that on Spotify etc they don’t include video on the podcasts, only TH-cam? But on TH-cam they’re only uploading short clips? Doesn’t make much sense having the full pod on video but not uploading it anywhere 🤔
Joe is a over rated rugby player for his status, Yet he is bang on perfect for being a clown. We all like the "Funny goofy guy" hence Boris tried to pull it off, but at some point people will look beyond that and see an gross Amateur in a clown costume...
I’ve always thought bought that Dickson is harder than most refs on Quins. I agree that he shouldn’t be refereeing their games but because he overcompensates for his playing history. I hope Marler sorts himself out and gets a grip
If as AG says, World Rugby sanctions are much more severe than the penalty given to JM, then why are they doing so little to penalise high tackles and potentially career ending no arms tackles on players knees? Get some proportion and consistency into the process
We used to be pound and say rugby is a sport for hooligans played by gentlemen but it is in a poor state of affairs if we are starting to accept that sledging has any place on the field. In my humble opinion; if you like sledging go play football.
Are people seriously entertaining that Joe Marler didn't know about this players mum being in hospital? Of course he did. Sure you can't say that with 100% surety but he said it twice specifically to him, didn't say the same thing to anyone else on the pitch for the entirety of the game (despite being his go to phrase). He definitely knew in my opinion.
I hear you but think never again ever is ott personally... the help part like you suggest could be valuable though he says himself he's taken up help for frankly far far more personally difficult things. Think this is bad but still the proverbial storm in a tea cup. Providing it doesn't repeat then that's obv different of course. But I do consider marler is a good person heart in right place etc. From what I've seen also and that should be taken into account.
I don't think he did know. The context I heard was the guy called him brother...something like 'you are better than that brother'. So Marler said something like I am not your brother cos your mum is a whore. Then kept saying it. That is not a defense of Marler, I dont think he is as funny as people think he is and saying that is out of order. But I dont think he knew
@Daz Eng ahh forgot there was only one way he could have come across that information as you rightly point out. Couldn't have been a rumour he'd heard for example or even any other way could it. You're right. Overlooked that. 😆 🤣
I'll probably get called out because I'm a Saffa, but this is another example for me of the RFU failing to act on their own while calling out other unions. Regardless of how innocent the ref is, that ref shouldn't have been in control of that game. Same thing if an international team have voiced (not publicly) their unhappiness with a particular ref, it's better for all to use another ref to avoid any outcry.
I am so tired of Marlers show boating as said back in the day you could sort people like that out. His constant non funny dribble just motivates the opposition causes penalties slow the games down even more. It is time the refs stop all this screaming in people's faces theirs should be the only voice and set an example to the kids coming through.
This is rugby, the sport played by real men who front up and don't resort to these cowardly comments. Marler is exactly the kind of nob we don't need on the rugby field.
No surprises here, Marler has a long history of Shithousery, surely professionals are meant to be an inspiration for younger players coming in to the game not thugs trying to start fights.
So if that is the case, why ignore Heenan’s assault on Marler and the Bear player who punched Baxter from behind when it all kicked off? The anti-Quins bias remains.
Let’s be blunt - it was a throwaway bit of sledging. Heenan was baiting Marler before they arrived at the scrum and Marler basically threw out a bit of a shit line to tell him to do one. Anyone saying Dixon is biased, think about this: Marler says something questionable (not racist, or any actual trigger phrase), without any knowledge of what Heenan’s mum was going through and Heenan then punches him twice and tries to strangle him after grabbing his face. How, in all this anti-Quins/anti-Marler diatribe, is the fact an *actual* assault goes unpenalised, whilst the Bears PR team went into overdrive to make Marler into the pantomime villain. The RFU got this very wrong - if we are trying to sanitise the game, how can you justify, in any way, ignoring the physical attack on live TV because a player can’t hold their temper? By any yardstick, Heenan should have been banned for his reaction, if Marler is going to be banned for a bit of poor banter. The fan of worms they opened is basically that any player can appeal to the ref at any point about having their feelings hurt and get an opponent immediately carded and banned. That’s the precedent they have set for refs around the world at every level of the game. As for crucifying Marler - he obviously wasn’t expecting a player who had been quite happily giving him grief to explode over a generic low-grade insult the way he did. He apologised when he found out why. End of. Move on, people.
I'm glad that Joe Marler was brought down to earth. Its sad how on social media so many people are defending Joe Marler, and insulting anyone who thinks otherwise. Joe is a funny guy, but he stepped over the line and I'm glad he has been punished.
IMHO When the game is on you say what ever you like to the oppo, if they don't like it tough.... They have the opportunity to sledge or dominate you back, this is the whole point of a competition... And remember rugby is a game, not work. It has become a job for many but that can't change what the game is
@@wot4922 you are a dreamer mate, in that same position if I had known about his mum being in hospital that is where I would have started.... you have to be both mentally and physically fit for this game and if you can't take a someone cussing your mum you are a liability...
Exactly this. They’re just words. If sometimes they land a little harder because of external factors then there’s a scuffle and it’s done. The comments in this thread are embarrassing, men in this country are being made increasingly feeble and weak minded.
Not just the ref, he's got lots of things to try and tune into, but the TMO. Where on earth were they? All kinds of gadgetry at their disposal. Shocking case of sloped shoulders - someone elses problem eh?
The disciplinary panel needs a complete overhaul if these poor decisions over incidents continue. If I was in charge of the RFU disciplinary panel then I would personally have given him the mid level ban if not the top tier ban that world rugby set out. There is no place for phrases like that in the game which is supposed to be more inclusive and diverse than ever before.
Honestly never found marler funny. Everyone thinking he’s ‘a unique character’ dudes just rude and unpleasant. I get trying to wind up players but you should never be saying that to anyone. It’s also been reported that he’s specifically learnt that phrase in Spanish to use on Argentinian players in the past. Like what r u doing ? You rly want to conduct urself like that? Never liked him.
RFU bans have been a joke for years. Anyone remember Martin Johnson getting a short enough ban to still be available to play the next test at the weekend?
I got 4 weeks ban for stamping. For the record I did not stamp on the player. He had hold of my boot and would not let me go. What the ref saw and what i did is irrelevant here...but my ban and fine were ridiculous. I attended a panel and was told by my club not to contest any ban as it was easier for the club. I took it but when you see the leniency and the wheeling in of legal help for the pro game it's a joke. For the record by all means 'sledge' but be classy not insulting.
Was it over the line, yes? Was John playing against a bunch of vicars though to say he had never heard anyone give anyone's Mum abuse in 200 games? I've only ever heard that exact phrase about 2 seconds before a punch was thrown outside a kebab shop 2am on a Friday but "ya Mum" jokes and taunts are everywhere. Maybe less when people know there are mics all over the place.
A Kebab shop is not a place where Professional sportsmen are playing in front of paying customers including kids with microphones recording everything. Policemen arrest thugs starting fights in front of Kebab shops its called incitement to violence.
@@terryhobdell491 That's why I made that point. The only place you hear people calling each other's mothers whores is right before a fight outside of a takeaway, not on rugby pitches.
I have heard far worse anytime there is a hard foul / dirty play (in hockey). If people really think this shit doesn't happen all the time I don't know what to tell em!!
Marler might think he’s been a bit of a lad with this verbal crap . Officials need to sort his attitude out , he needs to stop his ego getting out of control .
He’s been allowed to get to this point without being pulled back enough and taken to task. To me it’s not funny its a stupid act that in civvy street would result in a slap and people getting arrested. But again I believe he’s been allowed to get to this point without being taken to task enough.
I disagree with this, if you’ve played front row you know someone is going to say something to put you off your game. People say stuff, it’s just words🤷♂️.
Tickling testicles and involving mothers negatively is bang out of order. Out there characters like Jo are needed yes…but Grow up Jo pls and be a representative of a great sport
Office or not they are proffesionals in their work place. That behaviour is not acceptable anywhere in any work place or society. Rugby sets it stall out as the moral game. Not good enough.
I used to give as much as I got, but it was all about who was in front of you, never their family. So it was a stupid thing to say; wrists slapped. Move on.
How can Andy Goode sit there and bring the game into disrepute by casting doubt on the integrity of the referee. Joe Marler has been punished. Andy Goode can say whatever he likes without fear of retribution. Cleverly casting doubt on a referees integrity is worse than Marler's comments! Apologise Goode, Dickenson is not the guilyy party here.
Sounds like JM made a mistake BUT so what. Let them sort it out themselves. No need for it to be talked about by everyone! The modern world is so tedious!
Any referee that's told you its a 100% red card is completely lying! at the very most under the circumstances of the game its a penalty and that's it.... if he said it to the ref then yes its a clear red but towards another player on field there is not a single referee that hands out a red for that... its simply not true
Agree with wrong ref for the game and the rubbish disciplinary process. What JM said wasn't smart, however I was taught "sticks and stones".... When did professional rugby become so preppy? It's a contact sport and people act out of character from time to time. I might not like what he said but I would defend his right to say it. When did professionals become so emotionally weak?! It's a good example to kids of how not to act on both parts in my book.
It's a very childish thing for an adult to say. It is in effect saying 'Your mother's a sex worker.' It's as if Joe's consciousness is stranded somewhere back in the 1980s.
A loose canon putting pressure on team mates.This is beating about the bush about the real characters of English players.Have a good look in the mirror of the quality of people you are trying to play with.More thugs than you can afford.
I've said worse when playing anything to gain an advantage... asked a lad from the opposition how his wife and my kids were. He punched me red card and we went on to win. The reaction is what he was after if the reaction wasn't there nothing would have been said.
Being welsh don't like the guy. Got away with murder the samson lee and Alan wyn jones incidents. How he wasn't red carded on both occasions baffled me because the referee and tmo picked up both incidents. Had a welsh player made a remark to itoje or vunipola and was heard would have had a life ban because of their skin colour double standards. The alyn wyn one was sexual assault. How does his current ban get reduced with his history. Glad to see him out of the game
It was banter, your mum jokes are just jokes. Too much focus is put on someone saying you have offended me. They're meant to be roughty toughty rugby players, now rugby players can't take a joke ??
Just my view. Don’t expect anyone else to agree. Could be a generation raised on iPhones, SM and TikTok. Created a crave for attention and narcissism. The opposite of team dynamic and culture. Acting like a fool for ‘likes.’ There’s an honesty about players like Richard Hill, Wilkinson, Fickou, Dupont, Tuigamala, Jason Robinson. They are/were class. Let their skill speak. Knew the best way to silence an opponent was to smash him/ out scrummage and dominate / gas him with pace and score. I don’t think I’d enjoy the dude’s company.
Does rugby really need clowns? Where do you draw the line? When does the childish clown-show lower the game and become an embarrassment. I watch it to see a game rugby being played, not the clowning around.
If Jo's had called someone gay boy or the like his feet wouldn't have touched .There seems to be categories of sledging that are acceptable and others that are not and some people who get away with it time after time.
You’ve gotta be careful lads judging this legend. You are legends yourselves, however you find yourself calling other players. Calling a mum a ‘xxxxx’ isn’t something you wouldn’t hear in the club house as a bit of bants and a bit of a joke back in the day. Howler I totally appreciate the level which which Joe is at, which should be an example, as he’s on the main stage. Getting bashed into the head, like yourselves, that many times, over so many years, on an already fragile brain (As Joe admits himself) he could be struggling to make sense of life and what he should and shouldn’t be doing. I totally sympathise with this. If you’ve had a few knocks, especially in the forwards, everything we think, and think is right or wrong, is totally put out of the window over time. Very difficult to explain and understand. When I could see I was not fitting in, I exaggerate myself to try and fit in. Mental health can’t be explained, but I do think it has to be factored in when the kangaroo court is in session. I’m not saying Joe is mental, far from it, I belly laugh when he’s being interviewed when I know he’s not enjoying the moment, I’m assuming a type of coping mechanism. It seems he’s facing his fears which is admirable. But as a man, meat and 2 veg, who played rugby, at a very low level compared to you guys and Joe, I think there’s more to it. All the best to everyone. X
Put yourself in the shoes of someone repressing your worry/anxieties about your mum dying in hospital. That comment would make all those emotions fire up.
@@ABC-dw7pe If Marker was sued in his own capacity or taken to court, he would be found Not Guilty. It is NOT defamation to his mother at all. The entire rugby world world know what Marler said was just sledging and far from the truth. It is more how the spectators react after hearing what was said. You surely won't survive during a cricket match against the Aussies. You will run of crying the first session. Sledging is something you just laugh off. The next thing... If I call you a sissy on the field, is that abuse? The term abuse should be replaced with sledging. That will make more sense. The Rugby rules want to leave everything for interpretation. That's the problem. How would you react if Marker said: "Your father is a gigolo"? Is that abuse? Or is it not that bad because it was the mother? People would have laughed if Marler said that. The only difference here is that unfortunately, his mother was in hospital. If Marlin didn't know that, then all he did was sledging. Again, is sledging abuse or written in the law?
He's apologized move on I've heard more in a school playground and as for the modern game I don't believe it's a better game in the past it would have been delt with on the field now the player's are too strong against the ref the ref should have delt with it not you lot and the player's the committee's and the bloke next door I'd like to know if the game as got better then why is there less players all the small club's when I played 30 year's ago had 3 4 teams now your lucky if they have 1 so sorry goode it's not better it's just slowly killing the game from bottom up and it's the marlers of the game that's keeping it going itojo Markus Smith Mick brown players you remember
Played every position apart from tight head for 22 years coached 4 years ref for3 had some brilliant times on and off the field totally love the game but club's are in a mess because the poeple at the top changing the game every year so that poeple have to change the way they play. It's not speeded the game up you watch a game from the 70s the injuries are less because less play club's don't stay and have a sing and a boat race no meeting new friends no blazers looking smart and belonging to something the law changes no competition for the ball at scrums ball put in the second row might as well tap and go 50 20 great if you've got touch judge's and camera's what about the ref on his or her self water coming on every two minutes first aiders on for cramps the law is head injuries only unless it's bad the club tried to get as many teams at home to get money behind the bar it now cost to have a team one drink and gone after food stop looking at the top look at the bottom or die
Marler is a loose cannon, on and off the field of play. In my humble opinion his game has deteriorated over the months, his attitude is not humble and he thinks he is above the law. You're not funny mate and you bring this great game down to the level of comedic football. You think you're great being interviewed, you're not, you are challenging to watch and to listen to. Pack it all in now mate and open a restaurant somewhere.
Why is Goodey plugged into a dartboard? 😂
Marler was bang out of order with a comment like that, simple as that ! No sport should allow anyone to get away it & if that is Joe's idea of banter, I'll go to the foot of our stairs !!!
Love the honesty you guys bring each week... fully agree with your views..👌🏽👌🏽
Regardless of whether Heenan’s mother was in hospital or not you can’t go saying stuff like that.Sorry Joe you can’t escape this one…
RFU have really caved in on the suspension here - agree with Goode that World Rugby need to step in here - one rule for all
Banter is witty and intelligent surely, a description which obviously doesn't apply to Marler..
Exactly... there is a difference between banter and trying to provoke a fight to get another player yellow carded. Julián Montoya giving Jamie Ritchie a bit of lip was great banter (as a neutral great to watch...)
Hear ,hear. Marler's an utterly witless individual, and always has been I'm afraid...
@@frankmcloughlin7076 Somebody should start a banter competition among the teams, preferably in the vernacular and very local, in Welsh, Gaelic, Afrikaans, Maori, Japanese etc...
Agree with Andy. Obnoxious behaviour and in the amateur game he’d have got lamped. Marler seems to thrive on this sort of thing and being in the limelight trying to be funny. He’s a typical bully boy prop. I’m not saying they all are, but I saw lots like Marler playing club rugby for 35 years. I’m English by the way, so no axe to grind.
I agree that Marler had no idea about the medical status of Heenans mother. His utterance is juvenile banter which might fly with a circle of adolescent friends who know each other. But he wasn't with a circle of friends, he was in a professional environment and on LIVE TV! I like Joe but sometimes thinking isn't his strong point. The ban is deserved and he should seek some advice from the club about behaviour.
really? a grown man should go to a club for advice on how to behave. thats pathetic
@the6 from HR. He will most likely have to attend a meeting about his conduct, which is a usual part of a disciplinary process. You OK with that?
Dicko should NOT be reffing Quins it leaves the door open for all sorts of accusations weather or not he’s swayed by the jersey shouldn’t even be a conversation
Marler taking “ your mum “ bants to the next level was a silly thing to do but as you said 1 rule for all needs to be enforced across the board
I cannot believe that he did not hear it - look where he is standing relative to the two players - if Heenan heard it, then Dickson heard it - he wimped out
You’re both absolutely correct, and now he has quite clearly lied about it his position as an international ref is at the minimum compromised, as for Marler, given his previous a 12 month ban and 40k fine should have been given to send a message
The Big take away from this for me was, as AG pointed out, is the RFU circumnavigating the World Rubgy guidelines on this. The RFU statement said they had taken his previous poor disciplinary record into account.....and then said they had gone in at, what is world rugby's entry level, suspension and suspended 66% of it for 12 months. What sort of example does that set? Reply RFU or player on that question.
Good point AG well made.
Is Marler in contention for a six nations pick?
@hitop2365 I think it does, that surely wouldn't have been anywhere in the RFU's thought process! 🤔
Never liked the bloke, having a beard and raising one eyebrow while talking in a silly voice isn’t a personality trait.
To me , he has a genuine personality disorder. The look, the way he speaks, attention seeking, mistakes outrageousness for being a "bit of a lad". He definitely needs some counselling. Interestingly, his Father was a psychologist.................
I think the biggest issue I had with it was it wasn't vaguely witty or amusing, just moronic. Nothing wrong with swearing or insults, as long as they are witty/amusing in some way at least...
Marler is getting very tedious very quickly. He's not a character, he's just developing himself as a brand to make money. It's very obvious. He champions himself as a mental health advocate but then says this. It's pathetic
Exactly. Why would you feel sorrow for his mental health struggles or mental health advocacy when he comes out with these idiotic childish comments. What age is he ? Dumb fool.
Rugby players wanting to turn themselves into brands shouldn't be looked down on. But he shouldn't be saying things like that on or off the pitch
I don’t even think he’s smart enough to be considering himself as a brand. He’s simply just a tit
Well, thank god nobody overreacted!
LOL!
Well said Andy…exactly right. The ban is joke.
Abuse pure and simple. Love JM but totally unacceptable !
Can someone please clarify. Am I right in thinking that on Spotify etc they don’t include video on the podcasts, only TH-cam? But on TH-cam they’re only uploading short clips?
Doesn’t make much sense having the full pod on video but not uploading it anywhere 🤔
Joe is a over rated rugby player for his status, Yet he is bang on perfect for being a clown.
We all like the "Funny goofy guy" hence Boris tried to pull it off, but at some point people will look beyond that and see an gross Amateur in a clown costume...
A twat. Not a clown
Totally agree Goodey. Ref should never have been placed into that game in the first place, as an ex-Quins player.
He said it twice as well. Looked him dead in the eye and talked about his mum…
I’ve always thought bought that Dickson is harder than most refs on Quins. I agree that he shouldn’t be refereeing their games but because he overcompensates for his playing history. I hope Marler sorts himself out and gets a grip
If as AG says, World Rugby sanctions are much more severe than the penalty given to JM, then why are they doing so little to penalise high tackles and potentially career ending no arms tackles on players knees?
Get some proportion and consistency into the process
Goode spot on here
We used to be pound and say rugby is a sport for hooligans played by gentlemen but it is in a poor state of affairs if we are starting to accept that sledging has any place on the field. In my humble opinion; if you like sledging go play football.
Rugby clubs sadly have always had people like Marler bullying with the excuse of "IT"S JUST BANTS MATE!" .
Are people seriously entertaining that Joe Marler didn't know about this players mum being in hospital? Of course he did. Sure you can't say that with 100% surety but he said it twice specifically to him, didn't say the same thing to anyone else on the pitch for the entirety of the game (despite being his go to phrase). He definitely knew in my opinion.
If so, he should never play the game again. He should seek help.
I hear you but think never again ever is ott personally... the help part like you suggest could be valuable though he says himself he's taken up help for frankly far far more personally difficult things. Think this is bad but still the proverbial storm in a tea cup. Providing it doesn't repeat then that's obv different of course. But I do consider marler is a good person heart in right place etc. From what I've seen also and that should be taken into account.
Yes, I'm sure he checked up everyone's family Medical condition prior to the game. 🤦🏻♂️
I don't think he did know. The context I heard was the guy called him brother...something like 'you are better than that brother'. So Marler said something like I am not your brother cos your mum is a whore. Then kept saying it.
That is not a defense of Marler, I dont think he is as funny as people think he is and saying that is out of order. But I dont think he knew
@Daz Eng ahh forgot there was only one way he could have come across that information as you rightly point out. Couldn't have been a rumour he'd heard for example or even any other way could it. You're right. Overlooked that. 😆 🤣
Joe Marler was in a funny mood when interviewed by Sara a couple of weeks ago !
I'll probably get called out because I'm a Saffa, but this is another example for me of the RFU failing to act on their own while calling out other unions. Regardless of how innocent the ref is, that ref shouldn't have been in control of that game. Same thing if an international team have voiced (not publicly) their unhappiness with a particular ref, it's better for all to use another ref to avoid any outcry.
I am so tired of Marlers show boating as said back in the day you could sort people like that out. His constant non funny dribble just motivates the opposition causes penalties slow the games down even more. It is time the refs stop all this screaming in people's faces theirs should be the only voice and set an example to the kids coming through.
This is rugby, the sport played by real men who front up and don't resort to these cowardly comments. Marler is exactly the kind of nob we don't need on the rugby field.
Get over yourself, this is a part of the Rugby game and is part and parcel of mind games within Rugby
How the heck is the ref put in that position?
No surprises here, Marler has a long history of Shithousery, surely professionals are meant to be an inspiration for younger players coming in to the game not thugs trying to start fights.
So if that is the case, why ignore Heenan’s assault on Marler and the Bear player who punched Baxter from behind when it all kicked off?
The anti-Quins bias remains.
Let’s be blunt - it was a throwaway bit of sledging. Heenan was baiting Marler before they arrived at the scrum and Marler basically threw out a bit of a shit line to tell him to do one.
Anyone saying Dixon is biased, think about this: Marler says something questionable (not racist, or any actual trigger phrase), without any knowledge of what Heenan’s mum was going through and Heenan then punches him twice and tries to strangle him after grabbing his face.
How, in all this anti-Quins/anti-Marler diatribe, is the fact an *actual* assault goes unpenalised, whilst the Bears PR team went into overdrive to make Marler into the pantomime villain.
The RFU got this very wrong - if we are trying to sanitise the game, how can you justify, in any way, ignoring the physical attack on live TV because a player can’t hold their temper? By any yardstick, Heenan should have been banned for his reaction, if Marler is going to be banned for a bit of poor banter.
The fan of worms they opened is basically that any player can appeal to the ref at any point about having their feelings hurt and get an opponent immediately carded and banned. That’s the precedent they have set for refs around the world at every level of the game.
As for crucifying Marler - he obviously wasn’t expecting a player who had been quite happily giving him grief to explode over a generic low-grade insult the way he did. He apologised when he found out why. End of.
Move on, people.
100% in no way whatsoever does verbal abuse justify physical assault.
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I'm glad that Joe Marler was brought down to earth. Its sad how on social media so many people are defending Joe Marler, and insulting anyone who thinks otherwise. Joe is a funny guy, but he stepped over the line and I'm glad he has been punished.
IMHO When the game is on you say what ever you like to the oppo, if they don't like it tough....
They have the opportunity to sledge or dominate you back, this is the whole point of a competition...
And remember rugby is a game, not work. It has become a job for many but that can't change what the game is
Disgusting take.
@@wot4922 you are a dreamer mate, in that same position if I had known about his mum being in hospital that is where I would have started....
you have to be both mentally and physically fit for this game and if you can't take a someone cussing your mum you are a liability...
If you recall the Materazzi/Zidane incident in 2006. Materazzi was also fined and received a 2 game ban for his comments about Zizus sister
RFU clearly have 6N in mind with the suspended ban.
So banter and sledging are fine as long as you don’t hurt anyone’s feelings? Is there a list of things you can and can’t say?
Exactly this. They’re just words. If sometimes they land a little harder because of external factors then there’s a scuffle and it’s done. The comments in this thread are embarrassing, men in this country are being made increasingly feeble and weak minded.
Comments will swing when a ‘consensus’ appears. It’s just tribal. Folk will moan then say worse after pints on Sat.
Not just the ref, he's got lots of things to try and tune into, but the TMO. Where on earth were they? All kinds of gadgetry at their disposal. Shocking case of sloped shoulders - someone elses problem eh?
The disciplinary panel needs a complete overhaul if these poor decisions over incidents continue. If I was in charge of the RFU disciplinary panel then I would personally have given him the mid level ban if not the top tier ban that world rugby set out. There is no place for phrases like that in the game which is supposed to be more inclusive and diverse than ever before.
Honestly never found marler funny. Everyone thinking he’s ‘a unique character’ dudes just rude and unpleasant. I get trying to wind up players but you should never be saying that to anyone. It’s also been reported that he’s specifically learnt that phrase in Spanish to use on Argentinian players in the past. Like what r u doing ? You rly want to conduct urself like that? Never liked him.
RFU bans have been a joke for years. Anyone remember Martin Johnson getting a short enough ban to still be available to play the next test at the weekend?
I got 4 weeks ban for stamping. For the record I did not stamp on the player. He had hold of my boot and would not let me go. What the ref saw and what i did is irrelevant here...but my ban and fine were ridiculous. I attended a panel and was told by my club not to contest any ban as it was easier for the club. I took it but when you see the leniency and the wheeling in of legal help for the pro game it's a joke. For the record by all means 'sledge' but be classy not insulting.
He's lucky he didn't say it to Zidane... or Haskell for that matter.
Was it over the line, yes? Was John playing against a bunch of vicars though to say he had never heard anyone give anyone's Mum abuse in 200 games? I've only ever heard that exact phrase about 2 seconds before a punch was thrown outside a kebab shop 2am on a Friday but "ya Mum" jokes and taunts are everywhere. Maybe less when people know there are mics all over the place.
A Kebab shop is not a place where Professional sportsmen are playing in front of paying customers including kids with microphones recording everything. Policemen arrest thugs starting fights in front of Kebab shops its called incitement to violence.
@@terryhobdell491 That's why I made that point. The only place you hear people calling each other's mothers whores is right before a fight outside of a takeaway, not on rugby pitches.
I have heard far worse anytime there is a hard foul / dirty play (in hockey). If people really think this shit doesn't happen all the time I don't know what to tell em!!
Marler has always been a total yob.
The ref put himself in the position
Marler is exactly what he appears....
Marler might think he’s been a bit of a lad with this verbal crap . Officials need to sort his attitude out , he needs to stop his ego getting out of control .
The suspension is totally to facilitate his england squad membership
I am ok with shit talking, and I have said some absolutely disgusting things on a field, but I can't recall ever going after anyone's family.
Chaps. Respect you both. However. This is akin to the office, this is akin to the hotel. You must not and cannot do that.
No excuses
He’s been allowed to get to this point without being pulled back enough and taken to task. To me it’s not funny its a stupid act that in civvy street would result in a slap and people getting arrested.
But again I believe he’s been allowed to get to this point without being taken to task enough.
Wrong ref how did this happen ?
To even think about saying something like that is a disgrace.
Questioning a referee's impartiality is a definitely a slight.
100% agree
Bring back the old game, a little fisticuffs adds spice and excitement to a match!
I disagree with this, if you’ve played front row you know someone is going to say something to put you off your game. People say stuff, it’s just words🤷♂️.
That and a whole lot more is why I and my family don’t attend rugby anymore
Including cancelled TV subscription
Listen to the joe Marler podcast. Job done, drama over ffs
Tickling testicles and involving mothers negatively is bang out of order. Out there characters like Jo are needed yes…but Grow up Jo pls and be a representative of a great sport
Nothings off limits with lads banter!
Marler ( a character 👀) is a complete ,dopey 🛎 end
Marler thinks he's funnier than he is in my opinion.
Office or not they are proffesionals in their work place. That behaviour is not acceptable anywhere in any work place or society. Rugby sets it stall out as the moral game. Not good enough.
Meh I'm a Kiwi and ex rugby player and if he got the bash for what he said it's all done for most Kiwis.
Mountain out of a molehill
Circumvent
I used to give as much as I got, but it was all about who was in front of you, never their family. So it was a stupid thing to say; wrists slapped. Move on.
How can Andy Goode sit there and bring the game into disrepute by casting doubt on the integrity of the referee. Joe Marler has been punished. Andy Goode can say whatever he likes without fear of retribution. Cleverly casting doubt on a referees integrity is worse than Marler's comments! Apologise Goode, Dickenson is not the guilyy party here.
Amazing that the referee didn't hear Marler's comments.
You can't give a red card for "words"
Ask Dylan Hartley about that?
@@grahamphillips1285 that was even worse. Saying words and saying words at someone are 2 different things.
Sounds like JM made a mistake BUT so what. Let them sort it out themselves. No need for it to be talked about by everyone! The modern world is so tedious!
No place in any game, modern or back in the day. Footballers trick.
Any referee that's told you its a 100% red card is completely lying! at the very most under the circumstances of the game its a penalty and that's it.... if he said it to the ref then yes its a clear red but towards another player on field there is not a single referee that hands out a red for that... its simply not true
RFU just not fit for purpose...!
Agree with wrong ref for the game and the rubbish disciplinary process. What JM said wasn't smart, however I was taught "sticks and stones".... When did professional rugby become so preppy? It's a contact sport and people act out of character from time to time. I might not like what he said but I would defend his right to say it. When did professionals become so emotionally weak?! It's a good example to kids of how not to act on both parts in my book.
Waste of time if they can be ignored
It's a very childish thing for an adult to say. It is in effect saying 'Your mother's a sex worker.' It's as if Joe's consciousness is stranded somewhere back in the 1980s.
A loose canon putting pressure on team mates.This is beating about the bush about the real characters of English players.Have a good look in the mirror of the quality of people you are trying to play with.More thugs than you can afford.
I've said worse when playing anything to gain an advantage... asked a lad from the opposition how his wife and my kids were. He punched me red card and we went on to win.
The reaction is what he was after if the reaction wasn't there nothing would have been said.
Being welsh don't like the guy. Got away with murder the samson lee and Alan wyn jones incidents. How he wasn't red carded on both occasions baffled me because the referee and tmo picked up both incidents. Had a welsh player made a remark to itoje or vunipola and was heard would have had a life ban because of their skin colour double standards. The alyn wyn one was sexual assault. How does his current ban get reduced with his history. Glad to see him out of the game
It was banter, your mum jokes are just jokes.
Too much focus is put on someone saying you have offended me. They're meant to be roughty toughty rugby players, now rugby players can't take a joke ??
What's a joke about that? Where's the humour? It's said to put the opponent off/get him into trouble, not to make anybody laugh.
Just my view. Don’t expect anyone else to agree.
Could be a generation raised on iPhones, SM and TikTok. Created a crave for attention and narcissism. The opposite of team dynamic and culture. Acting like a fool for ‘likes.’
There’s an honesty about players like Richard Hill, Wilkinson, Fickou, Dupont, Tuigamala, Jason Robinson. They are/were class. Let their skill speak. Knew the best way to silence an opponent was to smash him/ out scrummage and dominate / gas him with pace and score.
I don’t think I’d enjoy the dude’s company.
World Rugby rules are a
Soft as shit! How can you be advocating for a 6 weeks ban for that? Mental
Does rugby really need clowns? Where do you draw the line? When does the childish clown-show lower the game and become an embarrassment.
I watch it to see a game rugby being played, not the clowning around.
If Jo's had called someone gay boy or the like his feet wouldn't have touched .There seems to be categories of sledging that are acceptable and others that are not and some people who get away with it time after time.
Guess the rugby pod will stop using the same level of bangs too? Wouldn’t want you to be a bunch of anti Quins hypocrites would we?
You’ve gotta be careful lads judging this legend. You are legends yourselves, however you find yourself calling other players. Calling a mum a ‘xxxxx’ isn’t something you wouldn’t hear in the club house as a bit of bants and a bit of a joke back in the day. Howler I totally appreciate the level which which Joe is at, which should be an example, as he’s on the main stage. Getting bashed into the head, like yourselves, that many times, over so many years, on an already fragile brain (As Joe admits himself) he could be struggling to make sense of life and what he should and shouldn’t be doing. I totally sympathise with this. If you’ve had a few knocks, especially in the forwards, everything we think, and think is right or wrong, is totally put out of the window over time. Very difficult to explain and understand. When I could see I was not fitting in, I exaggerate myself to try and fit in. Mental health can’t be explained, but I do think it has to be factored in when the kangaroo court is in session. I’m not saying Joe is mental, far from it, I belly laugh when he’s being interviewed when I know he’s not enjoying the moment, I’m assuming a type of coping mechanism. It seems he’s facing his fears which is admirable. But as a man, meat and 2 veg, who played rugby, at a very low level compared to you guys and Joe, I think there’s more to it. All the best to everyone. X
Ok, fair play, it’s pretty deep and complex. Give me a red card then I’ll bail out. X
What do you expect from an English hooligan polite banter get real he is in the same vein as Owen Farrell 😭
Why are you bringing up Owen? Totally irrelevant you bellend
I think the reaction by Heenan is as poor as the comment from Marler. It reminds me of being on a playground in 7th grade lol.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone repressing your worry/anxieties about your mum dying in hospital. That comment would make all those emotions fire up.
@@ABC-dw7pe If Marker was sued in his own capacity or taken to court, he would be found Not Guilty. It is NOT defamation to his mother at all. The entire rugby world world know what Marler said was just sledging and far from the truth. It is more how the spectators react after hearing what was said. You surely won't survive during a cricket match against the Aussies. You will run of crying the first session.
Sledging is something you just laugh off.
The next thing... If I call you a sissy on the field, is that abuse? The term abuse should be replaced with sledging. That will make more sense. The Rugby rules want to leave everything for interpretation. That's the problem.
How would you react if Marker said: "Your father is a gigolo"? Is that abuse? Or is it not that bad because it was the mother? People would have laughed if Marler said that. The only difference here is that unfortunately, his mother was in hospital. If Marlin didn't know that, then all he did was sledging. Again, is sledging abuse or written in the law?
@@ABC-dw7pe Irrelevant. How does he expect Marler to know? Self absorbed childish shit
He's apologized move on I've heard more in a school playground and as for the modern game I don't believe it's a better game in the past it would have been delt with on the field now the player's are too strong against the ref the ref should have delt with it not you lot and the player's the committee's and the bloke next door I'd like to know if the game as got better then why is there less players all the small club's when I played 30 year's ago had 3 4 teams now your lucky if they have 1 so sorry goode it's not better it's just slowly killing the game from bottom up and it's the marlers of the game that's keeping it going itojo Markus Smith Mick brown players you remember
I bet you are fun.
Played every position apart from tight head for 22 years coached 4 years ref for3 had some brilliant times on and off the field totally love the game but club's are in a mess because the poeple at the top changing the game every year so that poeple have to change the way they play. It's not speeded the game up you watch a game from the 70s the injuries are less because less play club's don't stay and have a sing and a boat race no meeting new friends no blazers looking smart and belonging to something the law changes no competition for the ball at scrums ball put in the second row might as well tap and go 50 20 great if you've got touch judge's and camera's what about the ref on his or her self water coming on every two minutes first aiders on for cramps the law is head injuries only unless it's bad the club tried to get as many teams at home to get money behind the bar it now cost to have a team one drink and gone after food stop looking at the top look at the bottom or die
@@johnwaller4033 Punctuation mate...ffs!!
Grow up with all the overreacting jeeeeeez
Is that all he said haha waw get your skirts back on n chill n modern game since when and too many fairy’s watching for me
Marler is a loose cannon, on and off the field of play. In my humble opinion his game has deteriorated over the months, his attitude is not humble and he thinks he is above the law. You're not funny mate and you bring this great game down to the level of comedic football. You think you're great being interviewed, you're not, you are challenging to watch and to listen to. Pack it all in now mate and open a restaurant somewhere.