Planetary Terraforming Strategies
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- Once we journey out to the stars, we will need to forge new worlds to live on. Choosing the best terraforming techniques for each planet and star system will be vital to surviving on alien worlds.
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Planetary Terraforming Strategies
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 380, February 2, 2023
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“An entire world dedicated to a single purpose, to turn a lifeless rock into a garden.”
I really hope those guys get the Stargate reboot. The Expanse was awesome.
But what have they created? A society set on making war
“An entire world dedicated to a single purpose, to turn a garden into a lifeless rock.” The direction we seem to be headed with this planet.
@@mididoctors you either missed that this is from The Expanse, or misunderstood Mars. They were defending themselves from a parasitic Earth. They didn't want war, they wanted open air, water, and green fields of grass.
@@Freshwaterboy You might be interested in the full version of the quote (said about Mars by a person from Earth): "They're an entire culture dedicated to a common goal, working together as one to turn a lifeless rock into a garden. We had a garden and we paved it."
I always loved the thought of finding some rogue planet in the middle of nowhere and parking a giant fusion lamp above it.
Shaped like a chariot . . . .
Sounds like a good way to attract space moths
I had to grin when thinking about an Amish space habitat made of wood.
Barn raising is a thing of the past. Planet raising is the future.
Sounds like the original story idea for Alien 3
@@cammyboy011 Alien 3 was a textbook example of the sad phenomenon of the 3rd movie in a series of 3 or more movies being totally inferior to the first 2 to the point that Deadpool even made fun of it in his movie.
I am amazed that any more alien movies even got filmed after that.
@@Zurround no arguments from me on that front. That film was doomed to fail with all the studio interference. Sad because the concept had merit.
Wouldn't the wood let all the air seep out and the radiation seep in?
The whole subject remind me a lot of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, with each faction having different terraforming strategies.
Pretty sure that's his favorite game lol. I should look it up. definitely something i'd like.
Hold up. Some Amish are okay with using solar panels and credit cards? Or taking rides in automobiles? But they refuse to pedal a bicycle? smh. I guess a paraphrase of what Asimov said is literally how they judge which technologies to use. If they don't understand how it works, it must be from "God".
As I understand it(and I'm no expert, so probably missing a lot) it's more a case of not wanting to use technology that encourages laziness and decadence in their personal lives; ie, for some, power tools and computers are ok in the work place, but not in the home. How things are interpreted varies, and ideas are naturally going to shift across generations, atleast in parts of the population. A credit card isn't really much different than cash for the end user and the economy is changing such that trying to get buy only using cash is increasingly difficult because it's assumed everyone has one, and if you're taking a ride in someone else's vehicle how it's propelled doesn't really affect you much.
You would think the Amish would be more likely to adopt bicycles than those other technologies
@@jackesioto The Amish have a long tradition of shunning bicycles. The Amish do not have a long tradition of shunning solar panels. So if one is going to bend a rule, the newer tech is somewhat easier to bend on.
My knowledge on the Amish is second hand and somewhat dated, as I haven't lived near them in over a decade now. But when I did they did have landline phones, and some other electric tools. They didn't keep them in the house though they had to be kept away, but were too useful not to have access to them if needed.
I am still of the opinion that terraforming any planet that is not already 90+% livable is a waste of time and resources when compared to just mining and building habitats like O'Neil or McKendree cylinders in space where you can control every bit of the ecology and atmosphere and gravity strength. Disassembly of a planet to build cylinders lets you make space for more people than that world would ever allow by a large amount and you get to build those incrementally.
Nice to hear from a like mind, bet you've been watching Isaac for a long time.
Hey Issac what are your thoughts on the relative efficiency of terraforming worlds vs building space habitats? I think that terraforming worlds is more popular with the general public. Rotating habitats might be better in regards such as safety in numbers and being highly customizable.
I bet he says rotating habitat is more feasable. Terra forming is a LOONG process...plus I don't think plate tectonics have ever been discovered on any other objects afaik.
Our carbon cycle is possible because of plate tectonics amongst other things but it plays a big role and could be a great filter itself now that I'm thinking about it .
Tldr:my bets on cylinder
@@Jasonmakesvideo Plus, orbital habitats can be anything you want.
He said that it's better to build habitats as you can make a lot of habitats with the mass of a single planet, and they could hold a million times the population a standard planet could.
Space /habitats will general be easier, I detailed the reasons in the Planets vs Megastructures episode I mentioned, though we've discussed them here and there in other episode on colonization and the fermi paradox
Another point Isaac mentioned in previous videos is that you can make habitats in systems that don't have viable planets, meaning every system can be colonized.
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Digging frost, crushing stone, Gonna make this world our own
Fertilize it with our bones, Put our life into the land
Mirrors shine, comets fall, Mars awakens at our call
Lots of work, but worth it all for a planet made by hand
Inch by inch, row by row, gonna make this garden grow
Work the soil and the slow 'till we make it fertile ground
Inch by inch, row by row, God bless these seeds I sow
Mars warm them from below, 'till the rain comes tumbling down
Awful dry, awful cold, and the soil is awful old
Superoxides won't unfold 'till you talk to them just right
But we endure, we persist, old Mars just can't resist
Life works like an alchemist with water, air and light
Inch by inch, row by row, gonna make this garden grow
Work the soil and the slow 'till we make it fertile ground
Inch by inch, row by row, God bless these seeds I sow
Mars warm them from below, 'till the rain comes tumbling down
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@@ghostwarrior-ni1xb TY
Happy to see Isaac mentioning the virtual civilization option c= kinda feel like it's left out on a lot or some of these videos, or in sci-fi and science in general
Fir... Yeah, right.
You Were First!
He's right, you're first :)
I'm not gonna lie. One of the biggest reasons I hope we discover faster-than-light travel really damn soon is so that Isaac Arthur himself can be humanity's herald at the front of our fleet and the first one to greet the aliens, leading to their fear and respect. He's a human to be feared on the galactic scale.
I'd say he's a human to be respected on the galactic scale.
True this statement is. Issac makes Star Trek Discovery's "Emperor Philippa Georgiou" feel like a soaking wet, chilly Chihuahua barking outside the back door.
@@michaelmoreland954 Herald IA: Greetings, Aliens. Welcome to this first meeting of our species. Now, here's the deal...we can exchange information and technology on an agreeable level, and you can join our Galactic Federation on favorable terms.
Or. We can send VN probes to every other system on your radius, and colony ships to every system in-between them. You will never find and deal with them all, and eventually will be surrounded. Then, we will take your home planet, terraform it into a planet sized McDonald's using several of the hundred different methods we've invented...and we'll just throw a minature, dark matter black hole into the middle of it once we've raised enough funds for a new remodel on the Heralds flagship "Probably/Probably Not" to clean up our efforts. Then, when we're done... we'll signal the "-@#$^√π∆¶÷¢€" to your location with some controlled detonations along the surface of your sun... your planet will -probably- vaporize shortly afterwards, after we're already long gone, and we'll come back after it cools down to fill the void with orgy themed rotating habitats and a new alien zoo. Humanely sourced, of course.
So. Which option do you pick?
Aliens: "HOLY SHIT we've never considered anything like that...we kneel. You humans are terrifying."
Herald IA: :D "I'm pleased that we worked this out, here's your application for the Federation. Don't forget to subscribe!"
Hear! Hear! Isaac Arthur for Galactic Dictator!
Yes.
a colony ship having a contingent of Amish (or equivalent) people on board. Absolutely! Should be a requirement. I'm a big fan of of remembering how to do it manually in case of technology failure. I know our local hospital does this every couple of years. They force the staff to work a full 24 hours with minimal tech -- not to the point that it endangers patients lives -- its not that extreme. But it does serve to remind the staff and community that can go horribly wrong. We are prepared -- Mostly.
I know it is a webcomic, but Freefall takes place on a world being terraformed, and most of the science tends to be pretty hard. They even have futuristic Amish (They don't use computer OS's more advanced than windows XP, was the joke.)
@Lurch that's hot
Of course there’ll be a planet with Amish. How else could you escape the disembodied software of a robot haunting you at the behest of the robot devil because you once made a deal to get his hands?
The webcomic "Freefall" has space Amish. They live on a Lagrange point colony. The wife is a transhumanist-nudist-geneticist with a mustache, the husband is an asteroid miner who pilots drones, the son is a genetically modified giant dwarf optimized for cold sleep and space habitation who's girlfriend is a genetically engineered bipedal wolf artificial intelligence.
What I like the most about sci-fi depicting an interstellar ark escaping dying Earth(like it's claimed in Avatar 2 or in... was it Elysium?) is that you've just created massive autonomous self sufficient closed off biosystem with crazy level of redundancy and you somehow DIDN'T apply the same tech to solving Earth's problems? How?!
Irl just designing and building an ark would already slowly start fixing most of the problems or avoid them entirely as you would apply all that tech to cities and industries on Earth too. Ability to build colony ships implies that you just researched how to build an ecumenopolis and have already started.
If we made human-level intelligent dogs, they'd definitely wage war for the decades of neutering we've subjected them to. On second thought, pretty much every animal would be fucking pissed at us.
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd be more upset about pugs or pitbulls than general population control.
@@thicccboimichaeljohnson6497 that's a damn fair point. There's so much shit that they could hate us for.
Look to the Rick and Morty episode Lawnmower Dog for more on that.
Hey isaac, not sure if I missed something but I'm wondering what happened to the thumbnails? They look very.. simplistic? Very odd. Great work as always though!
Nitpicking on TH-cam ....who would've thought. What a kind, helpful Insight.
@@Jasonmakesvideo ? It's a question, don't understand the hostility?
Terraformation my beloved
Another week and another wonderful SFIA video.
Great work as always Isaac.
Thank!
My napkin calculation says that turning all the carbon from venus' atmosphere into diamond would yield a spherical diamond around the size of Mimas (420km)
Here's another Fermi Paradox question the subject of terraforming brought to mind.
One might be reluctant to colonise any planet that has any possibility of life, for either moral or practicable reasons. Barren rocks may in turn be poor candidates. But a planet with intelligent life is ideal for visiting as one can ask the locals. Even if you didn't plan a hostile takeover your more advanced technology will result in your replacing the original inhabitants. So why haven't we been replaced?
Birds in an O'Neill cylinder would be funny to watch as they take off and learn that the more they go up, the less they come down.
The Russians took a few up in a vomit comet years ago. Its pretty hilarious to watch.
If we manage to difficult task of climbing out of a gravity well, WHY WOULD WE go back down the gravity well??
Some people like those gravity wells especially if they're near 1g.
Same reason you don't perpetually live in an airplane.
Perhaps we should live everywhere not Impossible to leave ( If No FTL)
(If yes FTl) Then Colonize everything and Everywhere and Everywhen and Everynowhere
Cant wait to see what their flag will look like... Wait! Does earth have a flag?
Nope 🙂
Several have been adopted by various groups.
A picture of Earth. With a sword through it!
Do you count United Nations.
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I want uplifted cephalopods!
@Lurch What, not a Lovecraft fan?
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Thanks for another thought-provoking video. I think you are right, that by the time we are ready for interstellar colonization, we might not want to terraform whole planets as we could tailor-make any habits to any specific environments far easier than terraforming any planet.
Okay watched the episode and found it another high quality Isaac Arthur production. Didn't change my mind though. Terraforming is dumb.
Wouldn't the most efficient way be to just fully commit to planet cracking and starliftig?
How about the Zero Dawn terraforming system in the horizon video game series?
Admittedly it doesn’t seem like the most efficient way to terraform.
I once heard an HFY story where humans revolutionized terraforming by boring to a planets core and reheating it to produce a magnetic field, and adding for removing mass from the core and mantle to modify gravity.
What do you guys think of that?
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I hope you're aware of the magnetic drive technology that is in development. It hasn't started production, and last I heard it was still at the paper stage, but between 700km/s to 6000km/s travel speed. Think about that. Earth to mars in a single day.
What's the principle? What is it pushing against?
@@shenrr6802 Magnetism. Using magnetic field generation and manipulation to latch onto the magnetospheres of the various objects of our solar system and slingshot further and faster.
And passenger would arrive as a smear on a seat
Something I'm surprised never gets mentioned is the use of micro black holes dropped onto the core of planets line Mars to activate its internal magnetosphere and plate tectonics. I'm aware of other solutions like electromagnets, but they lack the brute force and staying power of a black hole.
Would definitely be a good experiment for somewhere not in our home solar system.
We discussed it in the episode on giving Mars a Magnetopshere IIRC, an the Moon MEga City peisode
Call me a pervert all you want but I have a major fetish for NOT creating BLACK HOLES. I was one of the people who had nightmares some years ago when I found out that the Super Collider in Switzerland was making them. "Playing" with black holes makes playing with fire seem harmless.
You are smart but terraforming is dumb.
@@Zurround You didn't find that out because that did not happen.
I think that before we go terror-forming other planets, we should decide how to adopt/adapt our own. There will be numerous debates:
- Should we deforest the land to grow crops? Or, adopt a lifestyle more compatible to living in a forest?
- Should we learn how to utilize existing grass-eaters? Or, substitute grass eaters from a distant place?
- Do we prefer the simplicity of industrial mono-culture? Or, enjoy a diversity of crops on the same land?
- Should we drain natural lakes to save farmers who have mismanaged their fossil water aquifers?
- Should we place domes over desert lands to retain moisture and make such places habitable?
- Should we allow natural predators in our neighborhoods? (fox, wolf, bear, hawk, cat)
There are a million times a million opinions about how to do things on this planet. that is why we seem "stuck." We need to get out there on a new frontier. with no environment, native inhabitants, or even political parties to say "nay nay." Just doing it because we can.
Regarding the portals....try Larry Niven's "Teleportation in Theory and Practice"...he covers a lot of what you touched upon, and more...
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With this type of technology,mankind will be able to live in comfort,and health.A must for all colonists! Our bodies will not have to morph to adapt to the new world.A brillant idea! And it can be done.We just have to learn how.The new technology will also bring forth other technlogies.
Agreed
You are likely smart (you're watching Isaac after all) but terraforming is stupid.
@@andrewgraziani4331 it may not be smart but it’s more of a “we do it cause we can” kind of technology that people definitely will do even if isnt something beneficial or efficient
I posted on another thread that Mars and other wolds with far below Earth gravity cannot be inhabited long term or permanently by humans because the human body needs close to Earth gravity to be healthy. Avatar would probably be fine since the human body could probably adapt to 80 percent Earth gravity but Mars has less than half of that. Not enough gravity. Too little gravity is very bad for human health. Zero G would kill most people or cause permanent health problems in a year and a a half (maybe even less) and Mars gravity is better for health than no gravity at all but several years of this "gravity deprivation" would make a Mars colonist way less healthy than if they were on Earth. Planets with low gravity like Mars cannot be Terraformed for this reason even if EVERY OTHER aspect of supporting life was done successfully.
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RE: O'Neil Cylinders - Has anyone ever given any thought to how to create weather inside the cylinder? How to make wind? Clouds? Rain?
It'd occur naturally as a function of the volume of air and moisture present. You get condensation drizzle in contemporary enclosed sports stadiums, and an O'Neill is orders of magnitude larger. Wind would be a function of the shell spinning while the internal air remains static.
@@harbl99 I am aware of the weather inside sports stadiums. My question is linking to - is the the drum is spinning, would friction cause the air to spin too, therefore stratify (gentle pressure differences from core to surface)? What would cause the wind? I think all the air would rotate, but there wouldn't be any temperature differences to drive winds.
Similarly, what would cause clouds? Yes, there would be humidity, but would there be strong-enough pressure differences to cause the self-condensation needed for clouds?
Weather would happen naturally with a large enough volume. There's a few buildings on Earth that form clouds indoors due the the volume and humidity within.
An Amish interstellar colony ship? How about naming it Cypress Corners?
I don't think many got that reference.
I love listening to these at night while falling asleep. Interesting enough to hold my attention but not stressful.
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I predict that the great-to-the-nth-grandchildren of those who start "terraforming" projects will uniformly abandon them as pointless and wasteful. Living in space habitats is likely to be much more efficient, safer, and more comfortable than living "at the bottom of a gravity hole."
In STAR TREK 2 THE WRATH OF KHAN there was a rule for the Genesis device that it could only be used on a world with no life at all because any life already there would be killed and replaced with the new life of the device which is artificially interfering with the evolution of a world. "Terraforming" any world that already has life even if its very primitive life might be an ethical issue if it kills that life?
Whether that life is smart or not.if thay cant win the smacking contest.Thay will have to share.And arguing amongst r selves wont even slow us down.If we go out there with r general mind set arguing about it won't stop it.
I think the question of ethicacy is a question of rarity. I'm a believer in panspermia myself, you can interfere with life pretty much everywhere.
But if it is rare.... Probably a bigger question. We also assume we will win the encounter, not be beaten by the alien virus, bacteria, fungus, etc, that might be very good at spreading and not being killed by anything we have.
So let's not just assume since we flew to its home that we will be the victor in a conflict
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Terraforming would only be possible (if possible at all) if our world became a hive society like the Borg from Star Trek Next Gen or the alien invaders from the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY. Like a hive of insects with an extreme form of socialism where everyone gets what they need to survive and just does the work because it needs to be done. Our current ECONOMIC SYSTEM of DOLLARS and PESOS etc and TAXES cannot have terraforming because nobody has the MONEY to pay for it. Right now NASA cannot even get the funding it needs to send a group of people back to the moon. Terraforming cannot be done with our relatively primitive ECONOMIC SYSTEM.
We may prefer terraforming over bioforming. But I suspect that we will engage in bioforming enough (or at least some form of deliberate engineering of our own biology (either for practical or aesthetic purposes)) that deliberate engineering will supersede natural selection as the dominant force behind human evolution. So I would expect humanity to diverge into multiple different species far more rapidly than one would predict based on normal evolutionary time scales.
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Just imagine, with terraforming every individual can get their personal own world to design - and play god!
"You get a world, and you get a world and you get a world..." :)
What could go wrong? :P
So I'm curious why boiling the water we get by bombarding a planet with comets is bad. Like... assuming you have the infrastructure to do it, take a decade or whatever to grab all the water mars would need, and send it all planetwards. Lots of heat, boils the water. Granted, Mars' gravity isn't super strong, but even a boiled water molecule would be relatively heavy, no? We obviously wouldn't start the comet bombardment until after there was a magnetic field, so now we're just worried about water molecules not getting hot enough to individually reach escape velocity.
Once the bombardment was finished, in another decade or whatever, things would cool off and we could move to step 17. Right? Or am I underestimating just how hot it would boil, and we're talking centuries to cool off. Because you're talking about a time management tipping point between slowing the rate of comet arrival and having to wait for a cooling-off period afterwards. I guess it would depend on the planet, but I still feel like more dakka dakka will be faster.
At current pace I think it's likely we will rush for earth-like environments first and terraforming only some time after. Like, colonizing Venus clouds before Martian grounds.
My hero Isaac Arthur, your approach to science fiction had always been more science than fiction and that's what I love. I've always been weird preferring lore dumps over 'the plot' and you offer nothing but lore dumps which I oh so love. You have become a proper institution all on yourself. Forgive me being impressively drunk at the moment but I have an important point. For all your career here you've tried your best against your speech impediment and thank you, as. Someone who has gone a bit of training in this regard I understand your struggle and respect you much more for it. When I've heard that the origin of your speech impediment just might be too tied down tounge it made me very happy as it meant that all your sacrifice might just perfectly pay off
Thank you for all you've done and hopefully you'll live to see 2323 thank you
Sending AI controlled exploration and builder robots to Alpha Centauri could take 1,000 years to get there. Exploring 3 star systems and making sure everything was going to plan to support colonists might take 500 years and then sending the colonists might take another 1,000 years to arrive at the space habitats above worlds needing to be terraformed. It wouldn't surprise me if on those time scales if 100 different countries/corporations with 100 different visions of what should be done were sent and nearly all of those entities no longer existed by the time colonist started getting to work.
Right now humans have a perfect world and under our management species are rapidly going extinct, soil is being stripped away, global temperatures are rising... We are a species that is good at discovering fire but we lack basic wisdom and set everything on fire once we have it. Earth didn't fail, we did - And running away won't change that. We have to master Sesame Street before we can travel to the stars.
What if dark matter isn't matter but just massive gravity wells randomly generated in the primordial quantum field?
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AFAIK atleast some Amish are ok with using more advanced technology for work - pneumatic power tools and computers and such - just not in their personal lives. It's fine in the workshop or office, but not in the home.
We could see their descendants or similar groups doing likewise; manage/supervise AI-controlled construction drone swarms or whatever, then go home to the candle-lit farm house to cook dinner with fire.
Why not start with Venus? We either tug, double and or teleport an Ice moon from Jupiter like Gliese in Venus’ orbit. Dousing Venus with water alone would manifest stronger magnetic poles than that of Earth. Teleportation is very similar to antigravity and doable.
Let's try terraforming the Earth into how it was before the industrial revolution.
I want to live on an Oneal Cylinder for a while.
I feel like we are going down the route of pre-manufacturing elements on a terrestrial scale.
If you have a space habitat that can accelerate for a new planet they can just plop that down on the planet effectivelly INSTANTENOUSLY terraform that patch of the planet. If we take into account the wast time requirements of traveling to a new planet, we maybe looking at so many of such examples on the same planet it effectivelly cover the entire planets surface, connecting the habbitats with some service roads (probably underground for shielding) and only a fraction of the planet would remain its original self, uncovered.
Now im not talking about actual full on habitats to cover the planet, but along the journey you manufacture un-countable square kilometers of grass land or crop fields that you use anyways to start beefing up youre population and you just land it, piece by piece or the whole thing depending on your options.
So you either just use the planet as a gravity well at that point or make great haste terraforming the un-covered areas still left from the planet after planetfall.
We ought to have three Earth sized worlds at the proper axes tilt and a stablelizing satelite. It would be very good for the economy and all depends on whether we can harvest heavier elements from the sun. If we can, we have Kardeshev swarms and three rocky Earth sized worlds where the cost of living is probably higher on Venus and Mars. Different property rights than Earth which was populated without the need of exorbitant terraforming cost for centuries. The first colony will be Titan. I'm not thinking about terraforming that planet moon! Terraforming is the art of attaining desired habitat. It's very human, and should be consistently the norm. The time it takes to terraform needs to be profitable, and the returns from the land being made habitat, very profitable! It's the ambition and endeavor of the likes of Musk and Besos like rockets launches are for them today, but for terraforming, it's way more practical. The value of the land can be borrowed against and the terraforming commences after someone or some groups pay the lowest price anyone is going to pay for land on the planet! These monies are used by the government to invest in space infrastructures! They are development projects, they just take centuries perhaps to complete. It also places the development rights firmly in the hands of those who own the land. You don't get 20 billion ideas on how to screw a light bulb, you'll succeed of fail from one!
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I am watching this channel almost since beginning. Listening to episodes like this, how huge task terraforming is, why anybody would do it? I mean anybody human. Terraforming planet is level of insanity comparable to draining mediterranean sea or reverting some rivers with nuclear devices. Oneil cylinders are way to go. So why to start gigantic project that will last few thousands of years, while your regime will fall in decades, who will continue. This is like finishing great pyramid project about now because it was will of pharaoh. Who cares now about long dead satrape. And yes we do have no idea if he was one or he was actually decent person.
Step 1: allow millions of years of biomass to accumulate and compress with heat underground.
Step 2: drill down and release carbon into atmosphere.
Done.
I want to watch this content so bad but unfortunately I can't subject myself to the speech impediment. I know it's mean. But hiring a voice actor may be the best move to help grow this TH-cam channel with its fantastic content. I feel like a dick, but I have to say it. ☹️
I still feel terraforming is incredibly inefficient and wasteful its probably on the table for Venus but no where else in our solar system not without extensive star lifting and or dismantling of the giant planets. Its especially not viable in the incredibly delusional idea that Mars can be terraformed, I mean the evidence is growing to suggest that Mars likely never has had a significant stable atmosphere likely having been more of an ice shell world with punctuated episodic events linked to volcanism, its even looking to be the case that Mars never had a stable sustained magnetosphere because Mars's core isn't fully differentiated based on the results from INSIGHT. Adding a magnetosphere will not help because that was never the primary factor holding back Mars from having a substantial atmosphere, that role belongs solely due to gravity and the current temperature of the Martian atmosphere meaning at most gas molecules in the upper atmosphere are moving quickly relative to the Martian escape velocity.
Sure if you cool it down to temperatures comparable to Titan you should be able to rectify that problem but last I checked people don't want to live under sub cryogenic conditions.
If we can master life aboard a colony ship, the idea of throwing ourselves back down a gravity well seems almost pointless. Mind you, we may find a technology that would make climbing out of that well as easy as driving down a highway. If radical life extension happens soon enough for me to take advantage of it, I can’t wait to find out…lol
Hell yeah
My favorite TH-camr right here
Isaac, time to stop podcasting and start consulting with Musk re mars!
I think it was Kurzgesagt that put out an interesting video with a concept of terraforming by using high powered lasers to bring the surface the planet to a molten state a few times over to liberate gases needed to create a primitive atmosphere, after this process is done using the laser one last time in a pulsing function to turn the basaltic planes into regolith, once cool enough it is theoretically just a very slow and EXPENSIVE process of introducing more and more complex life from Earth's biosphere as the new planet becomes more and more like modern earth. The process would likely take thousands of years from start to finish but consider the billions of years it took our planet to create these current conditions; that's pretty fast it also allows for tweaking and resetting the process if you make a mistake so the "learning curve" of that planet's reaction to terraforming will be more manageable and less likely to go into a runaway climate of cascade failure when human activity is added to the stress on the biosphere.
It took almost 2 billon years to get oxigen into the atmosphere.
The reason is that oxigen bonds to everything.
The sea was green in the beginning, then it rusted.
So, simply just planting trees wan't help.
Terra forming are mutch harder than it seems.
everyone knows terraforming is best done with nukes. Thermonuclear = fusion, that'll sell it
I have to wonder what the motivation could possibly be for terraforming a planet in another system?
First, such an attempt is not likely to be initiated until the original system has a well established space infrastructure, including substantial habitats. Such habits being possible candidates for the ships themselves. This being the case its likely that many if not most people headding out will not have had any time on a planet already and be perfectly happy on a habitat.
Next is that unless stasis or life extension is a significant thing, the people that arrive at the target system are likely to not only never have set foot on a planet but to have no direct experience with people who have.
Lastly, even a modest project will take centuries, in that time the colonists will have spread out, built new habitats and facilities, even if just in support of the terraforming project. By the time the planet is livable not only are we likely generations removed from anyone with any experience or desire to live down a gravity well, but it's likely that the systems population will be too great to fit comfortably on said planet. Meaning that on day one you have the kind of population issues that we imagine would drive colonization to begin with.
To this whole project will amount to a pet project that a few people at a time might actually enjoy or have any interest in, and the population of this planet will always likely be a minority amongst the greater system.
The motivation seems like it would be lacking at some point along the line, surely the people doing the work at some point would suggest that time labor and material could be better spent supporting the growing population and their habitats?
If planetry terraforming called terraforming, than the same with stars should be called solforming like the sun
Most realistic option would be controlled bombardment of Mars and it's moon with stuff taken from asteroid belt, to create a proper magnetic field.
It would take probably centuries, but at least we have tech to do that, all these other options are simply not existing at this point.
Doing Genetic Modifications on humans is probably going to be the only logical option in many early terraforming attempts even if its just to skip a few thousand years of normal adaptation and natural selection to save lives.
Thank you again, dude! For all this great knowledge and ideas! I have been watching you stuph since a few years now. Thus, i wanna make you a compliment: Verbal perception of your voice greatly improved! I love that you're still working on your speech challanges. and i think, you are really progressing! seriously! I believe you gotta got a good teacher, as well as an eager student ;-) #loveit !😁🤩🙃
Most people only go outside to get in their car to drive to another building to go inside. All we need is climate controlled cubicles with VR headsets and good internet. What do we need a whole planet for if we just pave it over anyway?
One natural limitation is phosphorus, the bio-battery and bio-energy transfer system that carbon based life needs to exist.
Room on board a colony ship is limited, space Amish seem like dead weight.
It is pointless to try to make a micro black hole to put into an asteroid. You would have to take a mountain of matter and crush it down to a basket ball and gravity would be strong for a few diameters of that ball but for the large radius of an asteroid it would not be any better than the weak gravity of the mountain, and you would have the same difficulty of moving the black hole as you would the mountain.
John Varley, The Golden Globe
Space Amish is a thing.
Arthursday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That point about heading to another system with uplifted species really got my attention because i was thinking about that while watching Defiance the other night.
The Votans are a collection of 8 species that arrived on a fleet of ships.
It got me thinking what the first ships to other stars will be populated with. It makes sense there will be uplifted pets, but also other animals.
I read somewhere about flying foxes having almost the same level of intelligence as dogs. Uplifted versions of them could tend to jungles and forests in O'Neill cylinders as they're very important to jungles on earth.
Uplifted octopuses or dolphins tending to aquatic habitats.
And ofcourse the diversity of AI, cyborgs, genetically engineered people, copied human minds in robot bodies etc.
My defiance 8
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Very under-rated SF.
@@lukehahn4489 indeed. Also, nice profile pic. Space Dandy is also underrated
Caterpillar! XD
I'm genuinely curious how an Amish person would feel about this idea. I grew up in PA, with the sight of their buggies being relatively common.
I suspect it would run a pretty wide spectrum depending on the particular group, bishop, and time, but some use smartphones so there's probably a few watching the episode and maybe one will leave a comment. They probably wouldn't be representative but might be insightful.
@@isaacarthurSFIA Frankly, I believe they'd be willing to go all in on the concept.
New, arable land that's tillable immediately? The only issue I foresee would be transport of livestock and equipment.
But I believe they'd want their own world.
Practicality would trump the distaste of such advanced technology for the chance to call a whole world your own I would imagine
inshallah
You all heard him say it. Some day, I can have cat girls. No take-backs.
Hey don't see anyone here starting the conversation but your voice changed quite a bit hope you recovered well from your surgery
I have to say that you have spoiled me, because I now have the expectation that every college lecture will be this interesting and well thought out😅
Let's first work on the desert areas of the planet before dealing with other planets.
I can see choosing to not use Warhammer40K's FTL.
Sounds like an Elmer Funt Neil DeGreecy narrator!!!
Really? There are millions of dwarf planets in our solar system???😲