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Dave never expressed support for the Houthis, though. I would understand the claim about whataboutism if he did, but he precisely said he doesn't support them nor the way they treat their people, while also restating that the yemenis have been mistreated for quite a longer time than just after the rise of houthis
Right. It wasn't whataboutism at all. People like to use that word and "strawman" and all they are doing is make it clear that they don't know what the words mean.
Wrong, he conflated the yemenis with the houthis. US backed Saudi Arabia went in 8 years ago to restore President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi’s government. Dave says this in a discussion about a Iran isreal conflict, but why?
@@ForsakenXennial did you watch the whole Piers Morgan segment? He's just addressing every party possibly involved in the conflict at this moment, and he didn't "conflate" anything, the Houthis are Yemeni like the KKK are American, him merely making that observation isn't him conflating the people of the country with a mercenary militia. That and in the short clip Reason showed, he specifically said he doesn't support the Houthis nor the way they treat the Yemeni people
lmao fuck Dave he looks like Rich Voss and is half as funny as Rich. Maybe Dave should just stick to doing coke with Louis Gomez and being a fucking hack open micer.
Anyone ignorant enough to make an argument to hypocrisy is not a treasure to anyone except liars and propagandists lol If Jeffery Dahmer says Ted Bundy is a serial killer, is he wrong?
As iranian woman ( Christian) i really appreciate her the kesy is that we experience somethings that westerners worlds don't look at our warnings so i hope Jesus Guide you and help you... Jesus save elica as well
She's factually correct Making an argument to hypocrisy is in fact a fallacy. She's 1000% right. Hypocrisy is irrelevant to the point she was making Address her point, stop playing braindead whataboutism like a child
lmao fuck Dave he looks like Rich Voss and is half as funny as Rich. Maybe Dave should just stick to doing coke with Louis Gomez and being a fucking hack open micer.
Elica clearly won the argument because she had the facts on her side! I can CONFIRM everything that she says. I have been following the development in Iran ever since 1979. What we in the West should have done is to SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO THE REGIME, ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN'S FIGHT. But we let them down. Shame on EU, UK and US!
Her whole argument is a strawman fallacy. Dave never said that the houthis were heroes nor does he support them. Just becase "some people do" doesnt mean you can attack him.
This is like a fantasy come true. Get your ass handed to you in a debate. Then get all the time in the world to rethink it. Come back in a different format and say "what I meant to say...": The sin being is that she still can't articulate an argument.
@@Notsram77 In the English language what I said above is interpreted as "she was given a second chance and botched it." I have no issue with the second chance.
America doesn't need to solve the world's problems, we need to solve our own and be an example to the world. We don't need to spend our money and blood fighting other nations battles.
America needs to keep its position as the global monetary hegemony. Keeping our alliances in power is key. People need to grow up. Americans whining while living in the lap of luxury is akin to thunberg flying on jets and whining about the climate
@@ForsakenXennial America doesn't need the world. We don't get our power from the world. If USD stopped being the world reserve currency Americans would be better off.
Not that simple. US has to honour sovereignty of countries. And act transparently Not manipulate or use dirty tactics or warp truth. But most of all, know why she is acting abroad
The problem is the left has barely ever talked about Yemen during all the time that war was happening. I know bc I was so irritated by it. I don't like the term "whataboutism" but I think you all are wrong and she makes a good case for why we need to look at how the people in Yemen actually feel. I add that we should really care how they feel considering we failed them already not really ever paying them as much attention as we did in other areas. If I was in Yemen I probably would only focus on whats right in front of me. I am not going to be thinking I will accept abuse of the Houthi's bc US and Saudi Arabia abused us too. I imagine the people of Yemen feel more alone than any other people on the planet because the left didn't care about them and now are using the abuse they went through at the hands of US and Saudi Arabia for the excuse its okay they get even more abuse now at the hands of someone else to save some other people but they have never been cared about. Its fine to say that the torment the Houthi's experience is unfortunate but a casulty of war but don't pretend they ever got any real attention from the left when they were a casualty of another war. The left always has a one-track mind.
When did Dave Smith ever say the houthis were hero? When did he ever say that they were right? All he's ever said is they shouldn't be genocided. This chic is nuts
"whataboutism" is not a logical fallacy. It is a term invented by leftists to dodge the issue when they criticize someone (usually Trump) for doing something a leftist did (Obama's kids in cages). Using whataboutism to criticize someone is similar to deflecting or dodging the issue. If they are dodging or deflecting, explain how.
@@ForsakenXennialElicia was responding to the Palestinian girl, basically saying “How dare you support Houthis, look at what they have done to Yemen”, Dave then said well if you care about Yemenis maybe look at Saudis/USA involvement in Yemen. (She was advocating for the US involvement in Iran.) Basically, Dave was calling out her hypocrisy for criticizing the Houthis for their treatment of the Yemenis, while not acknowledging the US, who along with Saudi Arabia did far worse to Yemenis. But according to her calling out hypocrisy is “whataboutism”.
Thank You. Having just come from Watching three different videos made by Dr. Phil interviewing this Iranian Wannabe English high claim in accent…While she literally is using similar arguments to extract praise. The accent from a non English woman is really “wannabe” and frankly, I believe the wElica is suffering so kind of either delay psd or some such anguish perhaps related to her family. He hand waving around frantically, coupled with her blinking her eyes rapidly, and,those awful bling false black nails, is she trying for a part in that children comedy “the monster?”. But, seriously, Elica has a lot of problems, not least of all her inability to respectfully listen to other speakers. In the three videos with Dr. Phil, it felt a little like he had prepared answers for every question! So much stated… but was she relevant! Perhaps she would take lessons on listening and sing respectful to fellow panel members.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I feel like Elica is just not very clear with her points. But I do think Dave Smith sorta does deflect or otherwise not listen or address the other person's point a lot.
In one breath she says How can you support the houthis they've been so mean to the yemeni people. In the next breath she calls for sanctions upon the people of Iran.
It is rare and refreshing to see friendly debate in good faith... I appreciate that Zack shows great curiosity and openness towards Elica's views. All around super!
He was a demigod and economic illiterate going around the legislature, who angered and alienated everyone else and so began turning to the communist party, backed directly by the Soviet Union, then he got couped. Which was supported by, not directed by the USA and UK. It was homegrown. Iranians disliking the USA because of the coup and the narrative that removed their native hand was a retroactive justification made in the run-up to the revolution.
Elica is completely missing the whole point of support and it's really annoying and it is what Dave was talking about in the original video. You could not like someone (Hamas, Houthi's etc.) but like something they do. 10:36 IT IS. They are products of the interventions!!! Of course there would be evil or whatever but not to the point where forces would come from it like these. 11:30 Well Done Zach. 12:19 Ahhhh so her true colors shows and she just ends up waffling the whole time. This woman is a neo-con. 17:40 ridiculous how she speaks, well done Liz in the challenges, you put her in her place. This woman doesn't know what the hell she is talking about and just because she's "ethnically" Iranian, she gets a platform at this moment in history.
@valcaron I broke down why she is one before stating it. She's indirectly advocating for wars and sanctions to make people, or countries, to bend to the west's will because "we know better" and what is better for them than they do.
@@IammramShe said the Iranian people would benefit from sanctions. That instead the west has strengthened, enriched, and emboldened the world's number 1 sponsor of terror.
@@Iammram That isn't what "neo-cons" do. Neo-cons procure global resources and leverage so their children can get fat and project western values on ancient cultures.
You show complete insensitivity to historical realities in societies far from your own Read about the Barbary pirates and the US's first foreign deployment Read some history of the world pre 1776
Dave is pretty common sense on foreign policy, never really found him to be biased or way off. Libertarianism is another story but anti war is the only position
No, it’s not or we would be all speaking German right now and there would be no religions. Sometimes war is the only way to be free. As Romans said - if you want peace, prepare for war. Si Vis pacem para bellum. If people thinking like you prevail, you’ll see How wrong you were in your lifetime.
Big words like "logical fallacy", "their premise", "deflection", and "contradiction". She is using all these words wrong and she's thinks she made some kind of big point but she's just talking gibberish. Dave handed it to her, cry me a river Elica.
Should I bring it up? Is this shaming? Honestly, if you do things to your appearance to “look better”, aren’t you inherently opening yourself up to criticism…for those same things? (I’m sure someone can say this better than me.) Bottom line, when I was in college I once attended a church with a pastor that wore a toupee…and it didn’t sit right with me. How can you trust someone that wants to be taken seriously that alters their appearance? It is a weakness, not a strength.
@@ForsakenXennial the guest has totally unnatural lips that makes them difficult to look at. Only superficial people modify their appearance in such ways. I can’t take superficial people seriously.
She's against a 15-year temporary restriction on Iranian nuclearization that was in the Iranian deal, But something's telling me she didn't object to the temporary ceasefire that Israel offered in exchange for the hostages. But maybe that's just whataboutism
@aliadee6859 There's a difference!!! There's an active war between Israel & Hamas resulting in among worst humanitarian catastrophes plus civilian casualities!!!
@@nunereclipsereborn I know. let me be more clear. The humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip will continue after a few weeks under the temporary ceasefire that she supports. At the same time, he's also against temporary denuclearization for the same reason that I would want permanent ceasefire instead of a temporary one, which is that the thing you don't want to happen continues, it just continues a little later.
6:35 no it wasnt about Yemen. Yemen wouldnt b in the state its in today if not for the houthis. Saudis war was with them, they started a civil war within Yemen. They've reintroduced slavery into the western part of the country, been crucifing ppl not aligned with their 6th century ideology. Their piracy along with Russias war against Ukraine has caused a massive decrease in food supply as Ukraine was their main importer of grain etc. Problems within a govt body can be worked on to improve it & the situation for the citizens. The same cannot be said for an is***ic te***rist pirate militia (that btw also has an al qaeda camp rt on its eastern most territory & participation with)
@tariizm1500 she failed to understand the point Dave was making. That the Houthis treatment of Yemenis is a far, far, more insignificant problem than the fact that the US and Saudi bombed the shit out of Yemen and created the mass death and starvation that resulted in a power vacuum which created the Houthis.
Let her speak! Ugh you are just proving her point that you think you know what’s better for her people than she does. 🤦🏻♀️. I’m so tired of this western savior complex’s. Listen to the people !!!
Elica is completely out of her depth here. Likewise her discourse on Pal/Isr is fraught with misinformation, bias and propaganda. Why she continues to be platformed is something we need to be asking.
Whataboutism: interviewing Putin critically about his invasion of Ukraine. His response: “Well, what about Israel?” Dave Smith: if you’re talking about violations of sovereignty as a fundamental issue at stake, then let’s see whether you actually believe that sovereignty is the issue at stake. She then engaged in Whataboutism, ironically, because she was more interested in airtime than consistency.
@@dtskicks I don’t think all of them hate Dave but some of the higher ups definitely do. When Dave was on this podcast last time Liz said every time she talks to Dave he turns her more an-cap
I’ve never seen this woman before her debate but she was making the most bad faith arguments I’ve ever seen. She cut Dave off but then got mad at him for interrupting when he just wanted to finish his point. Just bad form all around. Not to mention she was screaming whataboutism 2 seconds after she did a “whataboutism” herself with the Houthi thing. Ridiculous.
I don’t understand her argument. I think she got backed into a corner and she’s doubling down for no reason. The real question should be are these people good or bad and How are we influencing things. I feel like Dave kept focus and she is trying to win an argument.
Those in the comment section who mock Elica, would have all their "criticism" and questions answered had they just actually paid attention and heard her out. She doesn't make sense only when what she says doesn't fit your narrative and you have no intention in understanding her point (implicitly assuming your narrative may not be the only one, or The Correct One).
There are very few people that want to have serious conversations. Even fewer in the media. I felt bad for Dave in that interview but he did great as usual.
i saw the piers morgan video of this and Elica is just hot headed, need-last-word, type of person who actually doesn't understand what dave was saying at all also, just off topic, why is she licking her mouth like she's the joker?
"Did you know that every sanction regime ends just days before a regime change" is quite the argument from Elica. She probably thinks that if we just stayed in Afghanistan for a little while longer than the Taliban wouldn't have retaken the country.
Can someone not be happy about the Houthis trying to allow food aid into Palestine but also find them disgraceful for how they treat their own people? Is it possible that the people of Yemen support getting aid into Palestine but do not support the Houthis themselves?
Houthis are not the yemeni people in their entirety ofcourse No one came close to starving in gaza Aid in its current form is a lifeline to the people holding babies hostage
I comp pretty agree with Elica. The whole thing of go all in or leave it alone with sanctions is truly the only way to change the issues in Yemen or Iran. It’s no different than the any other country in the past. When the people of the country get tired enough of tyranny they will uprise and make the necessary changes. Sometimes it takes hundreds of years sometimes it takes just a few. In the grand scheme of things, the destabilization of the entire Middle East has much to do with the military industrial complex. Not just the US, but the UN.
Apple makes more money than the "military industrial complex". Blaming everything on a shadowing organization reeks of the same conspiratorial thinking antisemites engage in. We might as well start talking about the illuminati.
I’ll simplify it, whatever group, strongman, or regime, signed an American contract, and is receiving U.S. money. Well, then they become the leader the US media supports, and the political and the military fall in line. For example, Afghanistan when the Taliban said they’d honor all contracts of the previous Afghan government. The US said cool, we outta here. And left.
Most I meet love Europe Israel but they aren’t so happy with the USA they told me some love USA some don’t. But these who I meet mostly disliked their own government the most
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Iranian influencers are trying so hard to be relevant lately. they're getting some attention for the first time in their life. this war has been great for them to run their mouths.
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I was born in Yemen they kicked my family out at gunpoint when I was 8. Our community told on us for being Christian. We also got kicked out of Oman
Love from iranian Christian ❤❤
Dave never expressed support for the Houthis, though. I would understand the claim about whataboutism if he did, but he precisely said he doesn't support them nor the way they treat their people, while also restating that the yemenis have been mistreated for quite a longer time than just after the rise of houthis
Not that she's wrong, but she's missing Dave's point, while thinking he's saying something different
Right. It wasn't whataboutism at all. People like to use that word and "strawman" and all they are doing is make it clear that they don't know what the words mean.
@@Scoots1994 or making it clear that they don't understand the other person's point.
Wrong, he conflated the yemenis with the houthis.
US backed Saudi Arabia went in 8 years ago to restore President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi’s government.
Dave says this in a discussion about a Iran isreal conflict, but why?
@@ForsakenXennial did you watch the whole Piers Morgan segment? He's just addressing every party possibly involved in the conflict at this moment, and he didn't "conflate" anything, the Houthis are Yemeni like the KKK are American, him merely making that observation isn't him conflating the people of the country with a mercenary militia. That and in the short clip Reason showed, he specifically said he doesn't support the Houthis nor the way they treat the Yemeni people
Dave Smith is a national treasure
lmao fuck Dave he looks like Rich Voss and is half as funny as Rich. Maybe Dave should just stick to doing coke with Louis Gomez and being a fucking hack open micer.
Spelled grifter wrong.
HAHAHAHA Bro?? The Iraq war is over, and Ron Paul is never going to be president. Way to show your age 😂
No he isn't. He's dead wrong about some things. Not a treasure in any way
Anyone ignorant enough to make an argument to hypocrisy is not a treasure to anyone except liars and propagandists lol
If Jeffery Dahmer says Ted Bundy is a serial killer, is he wrong?
Elica is an absolute legend.
did you listen to the same video ? the amount of contradictions is insane
@@bigm317 lol
As iranian woman ( Christian) i really appreciate her the kesy is that we experience somethings that westerners worlds don't look at our warnings so i hope Jesus Guide you and help you...
Jesus save elica as well
You don't get to make a mess of someone else's home and then walk away saying, "I don't want to be involved in other people's problems."
Elica is bright and sharp . I enjoy listening to her ! She is a fighter for Truth .
She's factually correct
Making an argument to hypocrisy is in fact a fallacy. She's 1000% right. Hypocrisy is irrelevant to the point she was making
Address her point, stop playing braindead whataboutism like a child
Elica got cooked
lmao fuck Dave he looks like Rich Voss and is half as funny as Rich. Maybe Dave should just stick to doing coke with Louis Gomez and being a fucking hack open micer.
Elica clearly won the argument because she had the facts on her side! I can CONFIRM everything that she says. I have been following the development in Iran ever since 1979. What we in the West should have done is to SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO THE REGIME, ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN'S FIGHT. But we let them down. Shame on EU, UK and US!
No
Her whole argument is a strawman fallacy. Dave never said that the houthis were heroes nor does he support them. Just becase "some people do" doesnt mean you can attack him.
100%! Dave has also been defending the Yemeni people for the last 5+ years during the time when Saudi Arabia was bombing the S out of the country!
He simply ignored the Voices of Yemini people who criticised the Houthi Regime and leading the country to a Dead End.
What did he say then?
@@sunnymitra6372 I said the same thing about this dave dude when I watched this video
OKEY😏
This is like a fantasy come true. Get your ass handed to you in a debate. Then get all the time in the world to rethink it. Come back in a different format and say "what I meant to say...": The sin being is that she still can't articulate an argument.
Yeah, when asked about the debate, she definitely shouldn't talk about it, or expand on the ideas further in any way. Sure.
@@Notsram77 In the English language what I said above is interpreted as "she was given a second chance and botched it." I have no issue with the second chance.
@@Notsram77 you didn’t read the whole comment
@@jgeltshe absolutely killed it during the debate, this is just a reflection about some of the talking points
Yh please elaborate how she killed it and what you understood from this segment lmao @AmineSoso-ws4eb
America doesn't need to solve the world's problems, we need to solve our own and be an example to the world. We don't need to spend our money and blood fighting other nations battles.
America needs to keep its position as the global monetary hegemony. Keeping our alliances in power is key.
People need to grow up. Americans whining while living in the lap of luxury is akin to thunberg flying on jets and whining about the climate
@@ForsakenXennial America doesn't need the world. We don't get our power from the world. If USD stopped being the world reserve currency Americans would be better off.
Not that simple.
US has to honour sovereignty of countries.
And act transparently
Not manipulate or use dirty tactics or warp truth.
But most of all, know why she is acting abroad
U act like these te**orist groups arent after the US too.
Why are they so many Dave stans in the comments
Wow, Dave, you are a very intelligent and honest man. God bless you.
The problem is the left has barely ever talked about Yemen during all the time that war was happening. I know bc I was so irritated by it. I don't like the term "whataboutism" but I think you all are wrong and she makes a good case for why we need to look at how the people in Yemen actually feel. I add that we should really care how they feel considering we failed them already not really ever paying them as much attention as we did in other areas. If I was in Yemen I probably would only focus on whats right in front of me. I am not going to be thinking I will accept abuse of the Houthi's bc US and Saudi Arabia abused us too. I imagine the people of Yemen feel more alone than any other people on the planet because the left didn't care about them and now are using the abuse they went through at the hands of US and Saudi Arabia for the excuse its okay they get even more abuse now at the hands of someone else to save some other people but they have never been cared about. Its fine to say that the torment the Houthi's experience is unfortunate but a casulty of war but don't pretend they ever got any real attention from the left when they were a casualty of another war. The left always has a one-track mind.
When did Dave Smith ever say the houthis were hero? When did he ever say that they were right? All he's ever said is they shouldn't be genocided. This chic is nuts
His depiction of the war is just wrong
"whataboutism" is not a logical fallacy. It is a term invented by leftists to dodge the issue when they criticize someone (usually Trump) for doing something a leftist did (Obama's kids in cages).
Using whataboutism to criticize someone is similar to deflecting or dodging the issue. If they are dodging or deflecting, explain how.
But I hear it works wonders for cognitive dissonance.
Yea but what's Dave's point ? The discussion is about iran/isreal so he talks about yemens civil war?
@@ForsakenXennialElicia was responding to the Palestinian girl, basically saying “How dare you support Houthis, look at what they have done to Yemen”, Dave then said well if you care about Yemenis maybe look at Saudis/USA involvement in Yemen. (She was advocating for the US involvement in Iran.) Basically, Dave was calling out her hypocrisy for criticizing the Houthis for their treatment of the Yemenis, while not acknowledging the US, who along with Saudi Arabia did far worse to Yemenis. But according to her calling out hypocrisy is “whataboutism”.
@@MY-hc5fb Yea I watched the whole interview. I guess he just comparing the notion of sovereignty.
It's literally a logical fallacy.
Shouts whataboutism, cries racism, uses the British "up-talk" accent, and repeats phrases over and over rather than making an actual argument.
Also uses livestream play-back image as a mirror, can't stop looking at herself, and playing with her hair.
Self-absorbed behavior
Thank You.
Having just come from Watching three different videos made by Dr. Phil interviewing this Iranian Wannabe English high claim in accent…While she literally is using similar arguments to extract praise.
The accent from a non English woman is really “wannabe” and frankly, I believe the wElica is suffering so kind of either delay psd or some such anguish perhaps related to her family.
He hand waving around frantically, coupled with her blinking her eyes rapidly, and,those awful bling false black nails, is she trying for a part in that children comedy “the monster?”.
But, seriously, Elica has a lot of problems, not least of all her inability to respectfully listen to other speakers.
In the three videos with Dr. Phil, it felt a little like he had prepared answers for every question! So much stated… but was she relevant!
Perhaps she would take lessons on listening and sing respectful to fellow panel members.
To be fair, she sounds like an average Londoner. She is from London, no?
@@barbarajones9385 she sounds like the stereotypical London activist/feminist who "up talks" to cover their lack of knowledge.
It’s taking two podcasts and several people talking about Dave’s point for her to not even remotely get it. you can’t talk to these kind of people.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I feel like Elica is just not very clear with her points. But I do think Dave Smith sorta does deflect or otherwise not listen or address the other person's point a lot.
His depiction of the war is wrong
And was paired with an apologist for terrorism
Dave was a saint for going on that panel with those screeching harpies
Who is this Elica woman and why is anyone listening to her? 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Sounds likes she just likes the sound of her voice
She’s an Iranian Zionist
She's big on TikTok, which says a lot about how seriously we should take her.
I don't know about the sound of her voice, but I think she's hot in that LA kinda way.
I don't take her seriously but I would take her sensually.
Because she'd like to get her country back from people like you who are cool with theocratic imperialism spreading in the world.
His depiction of the war is wrong. Stop
In one breath she says How can you support the houthis they've been so mean to the yemeni people. In the next breath she calls for sanctions upon the people of Iran.
Sanction relief for iran released billions of dollars not to the people!!! :)
It is rare and refreshing to see friendly debate in good faith... I appreciate that Zack shows great curiosity and openness towards Elica's views. All around super!
Elica is a very interesting debater and extremely beautiful!!
She seems to be overstating radicalism in Iran before the Ayatollahs. If it was such a huge problem then Mosaddegh would never have been elected.
He was a demigod and economic illiterate going around the legislature, who angered and alienated everyone else and so began turning to the communist party, backed directly by the Soviet Union, then he got couped. Which was supported by, not directed by the USA and UK. It was homegrown.
Iranians disliking the USA because of the coup and the narrative that removed their native hand was a retroactive justification made in the run-up to the revolution.
@akoben Radical Islam has been a problem even before the Revolutionary War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huh? Before it gets to 50% it is at 40%
Doesnt pop up from nowhere
Elica is completely missing the whole point of support and it's really annoying and it is what Dave was talking about in the original video.
You could not like someone (Hamas, Houthi's etc.) but like something they do.
10:36 IT IS. They are products of the interventions!!!
Of course there would be evil or whatever but not to the point where forces would come from it like these.
11:30 Well Done Zach.
12:19 Ahhhh so her true colors shows and she just ends up waffling the whole time.
This woman is a neo-con.
17:40 ridiculous how she speaks, well done Liz in the challenges, you put her in her place.
This woman doesn't know what the hell she is talking about and just because she's "ethnically" Iranian, she gets a platform at this moment in history.
@valcaron I broke down why she is one before stating it.
She's indirectly advocating for wars and sanctions to make people, or countries, to bend to the west's will because "we know better" and what is better for them than they do.
@@IammramShe said the Iranian people would benefit from sanctions. That instead the west has strengthened, enriched, and emboldened the world's number 1 sponsor of terror.
I love this comment and how you broke it down in time stamps. It made me laugh
@@Iammram That isn't what "neo-cons" do. Neo-cons procure global resources and leverage so their children can get fat and project western values on ancient cultures.
You show complete insensitivity to historical realities in societies far from your own
Read about the Barbary pirates and the US's first foreign deployment
Read some history of the world pre 1776
Dave is pretty common sense on foreign policy, never really found him to be biased or way off. Libertarianism is another story but anti war is the only position
No, it’s not or we would be all speaking German right now and there would be no religions. Sometimes war is the only way to be free. As Romans said - if you want peace, prepare for war. Si Vis pacem para bellum. If people thinking like you prevail, you’ll see How wrong you were in your lifetime.
His depiction of the war is wrong
Big words like "logical fallacy", "their premise", "deflection", and "contradiction". She is using all these words wrong and she's thinks she made some kind of big point but she's just talking gibberish. Dave handed it to her, cry me a river Elica.
She’s not talking gibberish. She’s talking truth. And that you don’t get it, tells me something about you. You are supporting terrorists like Dave.
You were fantastic. Thanks
0/10 trash debate. They just argue over definitions
The overwhelming majority of debates are over definitions whether the opponents realize or not.
My god that is boring. @@tann_man
Dave was right about explaining whataboutism, and Elica Le Bon says don't interrupt but she interrupted others most of the time 😂
I love Dave, he's super smart and fair!!!
His depiction of the war is wrong
I can’t take someone seriously who gets Botox. Sorry.
Should I bring it up? Is this shaming?
Honestly, if you do things to your appearance to “look better”, aren’t you inherently opening yourself up to criticism…for those same things? (I’m sure someone can say this better than me.)
Bottom line, when I was in college I once attended a church with a pastor that wore a toupee…and it didn’t sit right with me. How can you trust someone that wants to be taken seriously that alters their appearance? It is a weakness, not a strength.
All 3 of them likely have had botox, probably even dave.
Or is that what you meant?
@@ForsakenXennial the guest has totally unnatural lips that makes them difficult to look at. Only superficial people modify their appearance in such ways. I can’t take superficial people seriously.
The ad hominem fallacy.
@@katej910 wow, such insight!
Is this John Bolton's daughter?
His depiction of the war is wrong
I don’t ever want to be on the opposite side of an issue with Her.
She's against a 15-year temporary restriction on Iranian nuclearization that was in the Iranian deal, But something's telling me she didn't object to the temporary ceasefire that Israel offered in exchange for the hostages.
But maybe that's just whataboutism
@aliadee6859 There's a difference!!! There's an active war between Israel & Hamas resulting in among worst humanitarian catastrophes plus civilian casualities!!!
@@nunereclipsereborn I know. let me be more clear. The humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip will continue after a few weeks under the temporary ceasefire that she supports. At the same time, he's also against temporary denuclearization for the same reason that I would want permanent ceasefire instead of a temporary one, which is that the thing you don't want to happen continues, it just continues a little later.
@@aliadeeb6859 Iran is the one of the culprits that help funded Hamas' attack on Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10 years - would be in 18 months
Nevermind the girls of Iran then
6:35 no it wasnt about Yemen. Yemen wouldnt b in the state its in today if not for the houthis. Saudis war was with them, they started a civil war within Yemen. They've reintroduced slavery into the western part of the country, been crucifing ppl not aligned with their 6th century ideology. Their piracy along with Russias war against Ukraine has caused a massive decrease in food supply as Ukraine was their main importer of grain etc. Problems within a govt body can be worked on to improve it & the situation for the citizens. The same cannot be said for an is***ic te***rist pirate militia (that btw also has an al qaeda camp rt on its eastern most territory & participation with)
Has the Persian lady had lip surgery?
lips and nose. That is the only iranian thing about her. Surgery
Elica is incorrect.
Couldn't even finish the video while she was talking... Sorry Reason
how she incorrect?
He was attempting to give context. And when she saw her argument was "losing" she started talking louder and over him...
@@MiscMitz that is not being incorrect tho as a middle eastern i agree with her
@tariizm1500 she failed to understand the point Dave was making. That the Houthis treatment of Yemenis is a far, far, more insignificant problem than the fact that the US and Saudi bombed the shit out of Yemen and created the mass death and starvation that resulted in a power vacuum which created the Houthis.
I have a feeling elica is a control freak.
Well she'd like to be able to control what she can wear without the ayatollah having her shot for it if that's what you mean.
"Whataboutism" is not a thing.
Exactly. It's such an unrefined phrase and hole ridden logic.
Of course it is
@@rig4365 No, it's not. What's referred to as "whataboutism" is just logical consistency.
@@artaxAF whatabout comparative example to deflect
@@rig4365 consistent application of logic is not deflection, claiming "whataboutism" is a deflection from hypocrisy
Let her speak! Ugh you are just proving her point that you think you know what’s better for her people than she does. 🤦🏻♀️. I’m so tired of this western savior complex’s. Listen to the people !!!
Elica is a Hero
Why are my comments being deleted?
Mr. Legion of Skanks. Dave is really going up in the world.
Elica is completely out of her depth here. Likewise her discourse on Pal/Isr is fraught with misinformation, bias and propaganda. Why she continues to be platformed is something we need to be asking.
Dr Phil is impressed by her.
Yes you have convinced me
Dave pointed out hypocrisy...and it triggered the hypocrite
She's a child.... Reason quality is in free fall
Whataboutism: interviewing Putin critically about his invasion of Ukraine. His response: “Well, what about Israel?”
Dave Smith: if you’re talking about violations of sovereignty as a fundamental issue at stake, then let’s see whether you actually believe that sovereignty is the issue at stake. She then engaged in Whataboutism, ironically, because she was more interested in airtime than consistency.
Reason's become buzzfeed
Every time they drop a video like this, I get more disappointed thinking about what they once were
They legit hate Dave Smith, and will take any avenue to smear him.
@@dtskicks I don’t think all of them hate Dave but some of the higher ups definitely do. When Dave was on this podcast last time Liz said every time she talks to Dave he turns her more an-cap
@@bigz5262 every time he goes on Reason it always seems like he's introducing them to libertarianism for the first time lmao
@@DiogoSilva-qn8qo lol that’s honestly a perfect way to describe it
Erica LeBon is great smart beautiful and usually right
I’ve never seen this woman before her debate but she was making the most bad faith arguments I’ve ever seen. She cut Dave off but then got mad at him for interrupting when he just wanted to finish his point. Just bad form all around. Not to mention she was screaming whataboutism 2 seconds after she did a “whataboutism” herself with the Houthi thing. Ridiculous.
Whataboutism is almost always defeated by "Why not both?"
I don’t understand her argument. I think she got backed into a corner and she’s doubling down for no reason. The real question should be are these people good or bad and How are we influencing things. I feel like Dave kept focus and she is trying to win an argument.
Her argument is that the discussion was about iran/isreal. That bringing up Yemens civil war with the houthis is not the topic of discussion.
Those in the comment section who mock Elica, would have all their "criticism" and questions answered had they just actually paid attention and heard her out. She doesn't make sense only when what she says doesn't fit your narrative and you have no intention in understanding her point (implicitly assuming your narrative may not be the only one, or The Correct One).
Yes humsn tendency to justify ones opinions or perceptions
Just admit you were intelligently destroyed and should probably not debate anyone over the age about 25
Dave Smith completely ended her entire career in 1 minute
Only if you have room temperature IQ.
more lip filler than common sense
Where's the libertarian party? I thought we were going to see some movement after they cleaned out the old guard.
"He or many people say" He never said that you liar
There are very few people that want to have serious conversations. Even fewer in the media. I felt bad for Dave in that interview but he did great as usual.
Agree with Erica LeBon - end trade deals any negotiation with Iran\
Why do I keep giving this channel additional views? The pseudo-intellectualism is exhausting. I think I'm fooled by the channel name: "Reason"
Elica ate and left no crumbs
*Screams and dominates conversation like a hysterical banshee
Me, an intellectual: Yes, this is what well reasoned argument sounds like
*Puffs on pipe
Why do the Iranian people stop protesting just because the US returns their confiscated wealth?
It went to the mullahs, then to oct7
Are there no protests being suppressed by mullahs
i saw the piers morgan video of this and Elica is just hot headed, need-last-word, type of person who actually doesn't understand what dave was saying at all
also, just off topic, why is she licking her mouth like she's the joker?
Elica is really hot!
Its very hard to take seriously a person with that much lip filler.
How much is ok for looking at the essentials on iran
Does filler rhyme with mullah
Elica got destroyed intellectually
Elica Le Bon is a class act. 💜
"Did you know that every sanction regime ends just days before a regime change" is quite the argument from Elica. She probably thinks that if we just stayed in Afghanistan for a little while longer than the Taliban wouldn't have retaken the country.
Elica is 100% correct.
Interesting - when asked about what should the US do now, she brings up 7th century Muslim history, while complaining about whataboutism
Islam's goals haver not changed since the 7th century.
She has no clue what Dave said at the time or now.
One groups behavior doesn't excuse another groups behavior towards others. It is irrelevant to the issue with the Houthis of what the US has done.
There are really a lot of people in the comment section who reseeeeally don't like what they're hearing 😂😂
I’m sorry, especially because I’m not particularly found of Dave smith but this chick got absolutely cooked… it was hard to watch
Can someone not be happy about the Houthis trying to allow food aid into Palestine but also find them disgraceful for how they treat their own people? Is it possible that the people of Yemen support getting aid into Palestine but do not support the Houthis themselves?
Houthis are not the yemeni people in their entirety ofcourse
No one came close to starving in gaza
Aid in its current form is a lifeline to the people holding babies hostage
Can we please stop inventing logical "logical felices" that are logical felices?
I comp pretty agree with Elica. The whole thing of go all in or leave it alone with sanctions is truly the only way to change the issues in Yemen or Iran. It’s no different than the any other country in the past. When the people of the country get tired enough of tyranny they will uprise and make the necessary changes. Sometimes it takes hundreds of years sometimes it takes just a few. In the grand scheme of things, the destabilization of the entire Middle East has much to do with the military industrial complex. Not just the US, but the UN.
Apple makes more money than the "military industrial complex".
Blaming everything on a shadowing organization reeks of the same conspiratorial thinking antisemites engage in. We might as well start talking about the illuminati.
If I ever need a lawyer, I want Le Bon.
Saudis campaign was against the houtis not Yemen
I’ll simplify it, whatever group, strongman, or regime, signed an American contract, and is receiving U.S. money.
Well, then they become the leader the US media supports, and the political and the military fall in line.
For example, Afghanistan when the Taliban said they’d honor all contracts of the previous Afghan government. The US said cool, we outta here. And left.
She “deeply “ enjoys Dave
👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Why are we listening to a social media influencer who can't stop playing with her hair?
all the Iranians that I've personally met , genuinely hate west and western lifestyle. is that just my luck or an actual reality ?
Yeah i am also sortof leaning this way:
No injustice outside of the US
The US started it all
Even before 1776
Most I meet love Europe Israel but they aren’t so happy with the USA they told me some love USA some don’t. But these who I meet mostly disliked their own government the most
A lot of lips but good for a few things.
THIS CHANNEL HAS ALMOST A MILLION SUBS BUT ONLY HAS ONE VIDEO IN THE LAST MONTH ABOVE 100K VIEWS. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS IS A PROBLEM?
START MAKING CONTENT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO WATCH!!!
Dave Smith is the AOC of so called comedians.
South Africa changed by sanctions
Iranian influencers are trying so hard to be relevant lately. they're getting some attention for the first time in their life. this war has been great for them to run their mouths.
6:18 What contribution US … 6:54 Houthis… [pointing finger] or just click description and then "Show transcript" and read for yourselves.
lol how do you defend arguing something that was never said?
Wheres dave to defend himself?
smith and le bon were the most level headed on the panel
This woman is slow
she lost, L. and she has duck lips.