Combustion all day long for me.if you've been out working for 10 hours, you don't want to be sat waiting for your van to charge before you can get home.
@@999hireactionvehicles9I believe the Irish government bought hundreds of these buses at 500k each. They all ait in the yard because there is no network set up to charge them. A total scam and taxpayer defrauded.
Very good and succinct explanation. Well done mate 👍. The whole EV thing is still years away from being seriously viable and you know it but are too polite to say they’re shite!
I didn’t enjoy it, I just kept thinking about how doomed our children are. And then I Started thinking what a terrible terrible species humanity really is that we’re knowingly letting a terrible fate befell our own klds. So not an enjoyable video, sorry
Been watching you from day 1 , a year later nearly 36k subs and 6 million views. Well done. You’ve certainly got through a lot in that time and been great being on the journey with you.
I worked for a FTSE 250 company We were told to buy 5 EV vans from chief executive I told them they haven’t got the range for us The Board say buy them as they needed to show the Government's COP26 pledge that UK listed businesses would be mandated to publish decarbonisation plans I think those vans are still siting parked up unused at head office but it looks good to the government !!!!!!!
main factor is range, they're shit ! Few vans are loaded to max load capacity, and often those that do....are overloaded. But many working vans do miles, an idle van earns little money. Range is all important
Went to my local car auction tonight, 15 plate Jaguar XJ retail about £11k couldn't even get to £5k, another Discovery Sport retail about £15k, struggled to get to £6k. Dealers aren't buying flash motors then are buying cheap bread and butter i10, Yaris, Aygo, Clio, Polo, etc etc.
The elephant in the room is that dealers have morphed from being car sellers to being finance company agents. If you don't want a finance contract they are not interested. If you are a cash buyer you can forget negotiating a deal.
Your right, finance and add on products like gap cover and life shine can be worth more than the profit in the car for some dealers up the chain selling the more expensive vehicles.
brilliantly summed up Lee. you've pretty-much covered every possible aspect. knowing the building trades as well as I do, a network of greasy-spoon cafes with fast chargers would be the best solution for larger pure electric vans or maybe inbuilt range extenders. but as you intimated, jobbing builders are unlikely to make such a huge investment in a workhorse that will ultimately get driven into the ground.
Thank you 🙏 vans are an example I’ve been using for months in the EV argument. 57k for a van that gives you a 130 mile range? In the event that we go all-electric (which I don’t think will ever happen), a typical building site will have anything from 10 to 50 or maybe more vans that will need to charge during the day. A site temp electrical supply would never have the capacity to charge that many vans. All electric would never work and will never happen, unless the range is drastically improved.
As you said in COVID vans prices went totally crazy, had a 55 reg transit a total heap of crap on the verge of a scrapper , sold it in COVID for £1500 mental . I would not buy a EV van , to be honest I don't think this EV thing is going to work , excellent video as always Lee
I bought a Berlingo 2017 (in Sweden) for 109k swedish crowns. The same van now is 245k, but they dont bring any in, so you can only really get a better specced one for 265k. Or, of course you can get an electric one for 360k with pathetic range.
Vans do seem to be over priced for what they are. At the end of the day they are only half a car because the back half is space. The trade guys need them and dealers know that. Sudden loss of your van has a knock on affect on peoples lively hood. cheers Jin in New Zealand.
I bought a relay in march ... In the paperwork was the invoice for that van and another bought at the same time (2016) the vans were £14k each, brand new... A new relay now (exactly the same van bar engine) is now a smidge over £30k....😢
I'm sticking with my early 2015 Movano it's euro 5 but as reliable as the day is long, with nothing mentioned about low emission zones near me it would be silly to contemplate change.
@PazLeBon neither was the transit it replaced that was needing money spent on it every month! Also the slightly later ones with Adblue don't seem to hand the best reputation either, so yes it's reliable!
@@81adamlittle sure, fair enough;). TBH Im just thinking ahead and how all my motors are more than 20 years old and then I feel proven reliable long term. . I cant imagine a battery car being sold that is ten years old. Having said that im not sure theres ever been many 20 year old Vauxhalls either in my lifetime haha
I have an old vw lt35 with high miles 2003 and I only paid £800 for it 5 years ago it's been ultra reliable with decent body work and I prefer driving it to our car. Love your vids they are so informative.
Don't ever think about replacing it with a modern VW van- you won't experience reliability like you have. Modern VW vans are unreliable pieces of shite
Really useful information, thank you Lee! Am looking to upgrade my Citroen Berlingo to a larger van or estate car next year. Am not trade, but find a van useful having dogs as transport for walks. So be useful to hear updates on the vehicle market & prices. Am pretty new to the channel, but appreciate the time & effort you have put in to produce this programme..... 😊
A lot of problems 2nd hand dealers are experiencing now is that they have overpaid for vans at auctions and now they haven't a hope of selling them now at the prices they're looking for them
I am not surprised that van sales are going down. The price of vans has gone through the roof making them too expensive for people to buy. Plus they depreciate very quickly. We are being ripped off with both vans and cars.
Brilliant episode- really informative ❤ We bought a Merc Citan Van 66 plate with 40,000 in the first week of lockdown in 2020 for the wife’s business. Dealer was looking to offload as sales more or less stopped due to lockdown. We paid £8k for it. It’s now done 110,000 miles and more of less still worth the same - crazy Kev near Tamworth Ps love the videos buddy 🎉
Bought a base model Renault Trafic LWB in March 2021, put deposit down in September 20. Paid £16500 plus vat. In 32 months just done9000 miles as work very local. I'd get virtually what I paid for it
Wouldn't touch a battery powered van with a 12 foot barge pole. People who have committed to them tell me it was a massive mistake. With a moderate load on board on a cold day, range is drastically reduced and the charging infrastructure just isn't there. Re-charging times are ridiculous, and if you're using public chargers, prices are double what it would cost to run a diesel. Residuals aren't holding up well, and people are upside down on their finance lease deals. A chap I was speaking with recently told me he tried to get back into a diesel Transit, but would have to stump up 30 grand just to hand it back early. It's crazy. Insurance premiums for EV vans are also considerably higher than diesel ones too. And some companies won't cover them at all. A local used van dealer is having trouble selling EV vans he took in part exchange. He's got half a dozen he's had in stock for over 6 months. Can't sell them, even at a considerable loss. For what it's worth, I'd say don't get involved with battery vehicles of any kind at the moment. They're not fit for purpose, and they're a financial disaster. Avoid.
Good for you mate, I was a s/employed Plumber years ago, I leased until paid off then bought the van for peanuts, lasted 13 years before I needed a larger one. Did need a new engine at around 95,000mls (petrol) but £250 for a Motorcraft fitted? yes please, 2 litre transit on an F reg .
Great to hear your views on market sentiment of the EV van sector. I follow the EV passenger market close but not so much vans. As much as companies are going EV where they can for their green creds, ESG and all that, head of fleets out with the spreadsheet. I do think that for the larger vans, they need to be able to go a little bit further to be taken seriously. People are happy to wait a little while to recharge. Bosses and clients aren’t. If I had to drive a van, I’d be happy to have an EV, but that’s because I’m plenty used to what it entails. I do think though that the ban being put back will have a slightly different effect on van sales. I thjnk ICE will stay high in them for a while. The combustion ban is on passenger vehicles, not commercials. I can see the manufacturers shifting production of combustion engines to the van segment to keep the engine plants giving payback on their investment. They’ve no incentive/stick persuading/forcing for them to switch to EV van sales. They’ll simply restrict supply to what they want, and keep the EV component supplies for the passenger car market. It’s the passenger market they’re targeted to hit minimum sales targets for from next year.
Excellent video, Lee. Good clear information and insight. Always look forward to your content. I live on the Isle of Skye where a trip to the shops can be a 40 mile round trip alone!! There are only a handful of electric charging points, and during the summer, the influx of tourists in their hired Evs caused a queue every day at the charging points😂 It'll be a long while yet before it becomes mainstream, even more so for remote areas.
Many company's in full time service work will find out costly. Each employee will need to have a charger at home if possible. I did 200 miles a day plus on-call night work with another 100miles minimum. one needed ideally a 800 mile range for a reliable 24 hr call out service.
i loved that. Found it very interesting. As you know, I'm waiting for my disability van, Ford Transit [small]. Have to wait till March. My neibour with Peugeot Partner. He got his 3 months early.
I live in Manchester and drove a mk6 transit. With all the talk of Ulez i went and bought a 2017 plate Euro 6 Mk8 Transit 350 2 and half years ago for £12.5k. After a year people were offering me £15.5 for it! Even van valuation sites were valuing it at £14k. Bonkers!
What we need is a vehicle that has a range of 500 miles and you can just Bob 80 quids worth of an easily obtainable fluid in a few minutes and your off earning dosh, maybe something like that diesel stuff you hear about.
If you're Vat registered, it's probably best leasing, yet again another great video 📹. My van is a 2018 vivaro. I used to always buy a Ford transit, but they rust a bit too quickly.
I purchased my van, simple reason I'm not vat registered anymore , I'm a sole trader, I know it's a deprecated asset, however. If you part ex or sell at the right time, or even sell and retire its always a bit of cash in your pocket.
agree with that, the smaller EV vans do make some sense, I like the little nissan townstar EV, does 175 miles in standard spec so really 140 in real life but for carrying light loads in a city would be ideal for the job. They are also the same price as the diesel engine on lease also (£178pm)
Great review I have 5 van just bought new transit diesel paid 32k plus vat but paid outright so no financing otherwise looking about 7k extra over 5 years also have a 16 plate transit tipper euro 5 but it’s clean air compliant in Bristol where I’m from I'm a builder don't normally travel much miles but if required don't fancy not having the options plus charging availability plus loss of time when you have employees and pay am hourly rate its not cheaper unless they charged from home witch is am investment or sometimes not an option
Purchased a Transit Connect earlier this year (2016) non ULEZ complaint but only a run about to work & back,fantastic van,high miles but good for many years to come,hopefully
@@pipedreamtv9697 you have the right to express your choice........other people make different choices and if they're in the majority, well that's democracy for you and you'll just have to suck something else up instead.
Hi Lee. Great Video bro. As you know your always teaching me something lol. It's an Engine for me all the way. I drove a Vivaro for a Car Parts Company and I drone 450klms everyday. An EV would be no good for that. I can't believe what your Recovery truck is worth. Crazy money bro. I can't imagine someone paying £50k for an Electric Van. The money you lose in depreciation must be Massive. £57K for a Van. I couldn't sleep at night with that sitting on my driveway 😅😅. Wicked video Lee. By the way your looking Great buddy. Thanks for the Info. Chat soon. 😅 🇨🇮
Campers & motorhomes also, the bubble has started to burst & it's just a matter of time to see how big that burst will be. One thing for sure is, the supply is huge & demand very little.
Im sitting on the fence til after Santa. Looking for MWB Sprinter/Crafter/Iveco, local courier work. Low mileage with FSH, no VAT. Based Derbyshire. Cheers Lee
Very interesting. Glad I found this as I've been on the fence about vans these past couple of years! Is the price drop similar for van-derived MPVs? I'm looking at the Stellantis group people carriers (Spacetourer / Vivaro Life / Proace Verso / Traveller). I think the EV versions of those vans are great - if you don't need to tow or carry a family when not working!
My diesel van, is there to make me money. I can't be sitting there for an hour or so a day waiting to charge, or not taking work on that is more than 50 miles away, just because I bought an EV Van. I looked at the company who sold me my van, and their electric Vans are showing £48,000, down to £25,000. Clearly not selling are they!
Very interesting video 😊 Its good to do some different ones to mix things up on the channel 😊Lots of northern common sense offered 👍Hopefully everything going well on the car pitch .
In Denmark the rules have been changed to benefit the larger EV vans, where you can drive a van of 3500kg total on normal drivers license, you can now drive EV van of 4250kg total on normal drivers license, yes, because of the heavy battery and otherwise no load capability in that size van.
It is a special rule for the EV van, that the van itself can be 4250 total. Diesel van can only be 3500kg, plus a trailer of 750, so off course that is a total weight of 4250 as well with trailer, but with an EV van, the van itself can be 4250. It is about 3 years ago the new rule was made in Denmark, before that it have always been max 3500kg van total, on normal driver license.
Im in the van trade, and I've been very busy selling ULEZ compliant vans and 9 seaters Tourneos and vitos. Electric toothbrushes and Rabbits are the way forwards EV vans and cars is going backwards
Really good video that glad I seen it as a subscriber I’ve been looking at a transit connect 2015 limited 200 so nice spec it’s got FSH and only one owner 21k miles asking 13,995 managed to get it down to 13k not euro 6 either glad I watched your vlogg it’s obviously no where near worth 13k either great work and videos thanks
An example that popped up on my FB… (prices plus VAT) VW Transporter E new £42,060 2021 with 4700miles £16798 (VW Main Agent) That’s a retail to retail depreciation, not retail to trade, of 536 pence per mile put into perspective, that’s roughly the same as a £190k Merc G Class AMG 6.3…
I would love a small van over a car, and indeed I had one until recently. However the stupid dpf technology, and crazy road tax, forced me to change back to a petrol car.
We were in the same boat, had a Nissan nv200 for years but started to get multiple electric faults so we retired it, it owed us nothing but it was costing us £300 a year to tax. I then bought two ford fiesta's 1.4 diesels the same week, one a van the other a normal 3 door, one was £300 tax the other £35 on the same year 🤷
Yes why is the road tax system so out of whack. Even if you buy say a peugeot 207 van, you will still pay £320 to tax it the same as a large luton. You might as well buy the biggest van you can find. And why is an Aston Martin db5 with a 5 litre petrol engine cheaper to tax than some less prestige cars. Bonkers! Love your video's keep up the good work.
I like to have the right tool for the job, so a small car fo town(mx5) motorway cruiser for long runs and passsengers (bmw 3 series) and a van for work (VW Transporter) All 30mpg + and all over 20 years old and betwen them costme around 10k
We almost brought a electric ldv tipper the rep said once it's loaded or towing you would struggle to get 50/60 miles I said I wouldn't even make it to site so put a new engine in my old transit😂
Down in Cornwall I bought a 21 Pug Partner back in Jan with 6000 miles for £19500 no vat. Used it to avoid using skips to do up a house. Just traded it back and got £12500 with 10,000 miles in px for discounted nearly new car at same dealer group. I will miss the 55mpg as I don’t have big feet but not the £300 road tax.
I bought a nui electric scooter from Astons bud the other week, 59 km top speed and 60 miles range, guy who bought it was on just eat, I can see the sense of that, it's about a pound per 100 mile to run.
We see a few of them round crewe, all used by the just eat / ubber eat lads. Like you say its so cheap. speaking to one the other month he paid 5k for the bike and has ran it for 2 years solid, reckons battery got about 2 years to go before it becomes a pain. No fuel, no tax, and he even getting McDonalds now to provide charge point for it 😂
Love my transit connect mk1 230,000 miles an still going strong i do around 300 miles a night in it serviced everytime it needs to be and still keeps chugging on best i have had.
Any vans I should 100% avoid… I’m looking for a small/ medium van for a basic conversion to sleep in while I travel for hikes… Any advice is appreciated
A 30k motorhome 6yrs ago has been selling for £40k these past few years. Now the bubble has started to burst, i've just been offered a dealers £40k one for £32k. Also some dealers i've noticed are slashing their used camper/motorhome prices.
Dealers always over inflate prices some might call it greed but when you see vans with over 100,000 miles on them and the dealer is asking over £10,000 you know its greed.
I got attacked the other day on a motorhome channel I explained to him by 2030 motorhomes will onl be allowed to leave post code ,3 times per year and maximum distance 55 km he went nuts no person is doing there research 🤯
Any ev is OK if your retired and nothing much else to do just making short journeys, plenty of money to suffer massive depreciation or like to spend time hunting for a charger, they'll be like beta max in a few years.
A couple of time you mention the change from 2030 to 2035 for the ban on new petrol / diesel vehicles but how does that effect somebody buying a new or used van today if it only applies to new vehicles when it happens?
Vans 2017 or newer the prices have not gone down they are crazy high, double what they were before covid, older vans have dropped I have seen customs 2014/2015 fir £4500 /£5000 But 2017 customs are still £8k for 120.000 miles on average, obviously low mileage are worth a lot more, that's what I have found
I live in Bristol I'm just outside the zone can avoid it most of the time but my worry is them making the zone bigger then I will definitely be in it so that's always worth thinking about to and the price of parts on any van or car atm has gone up with covid that's worth thinking about and now there's a problem with ships how is that going to effect it all
I worked for van monster for a year, people where mainly buying due to ulez coming in they had no choice and mainly on finance, we also had a few electric vans come in over the year and they never sold and had to go back they where not cheap either. Just before I left they where also due to start selling cars, they tried that at that branch for a few months and then they all disappeared one day......I see they now only stock cars at very few branches.
So what’s the score on Transit engines? I’ve read about “wet belt” engines but have no idea what they are. Are we talking the engines in the full size Transit or just in the small Custom versions? I’ve had a 3.5t Ducato Luton on order for well over a year and the build date keeps getting put back. I’m told if I take a manual instead of the auto I’ve ordered then I can have the van sooner, so I’m looking at the available alternatives. Do all large vans use the same auto gearbox?
Last week My diesel van went into for a service And they gave me a Mercedes sprinter electirc van as a courtesy van It had 1900 miles on the clock The battery level was 25 percent when i drove it out the garage I drove it back to work which was a 8 mile journey and battery level was now at 20 percent I plugged it in for 1 hour And battery went up to 29 percent I needed to get back to work Drove 7 mile and it was back to 20 percent Drove 7 mile back to depot it was down to 12 percent I plugged it in and got a lift home ( I normally take van home ) Next day got mrs to drop me off at work And i unplugged van And drove home and in them 8 miles home , battery level dropped from 100 percent to 90 percent Monday morning I drove to garage to collect my van and after that 9 mile trip Battery was on 80 percent What a absolutely crock of shit
So 2016 I was buying a new Vivaro Lwb crew cab sportive for 16995+vat and with a nice deposit it was still costing me 400 quid a month and the shine soon wore off but it was a real nice van. Now at 30k plus am I missing something? No shortage of new vans on the road.
Lots of good information and I won't be buying an electric van especially with the short range they have at the moment.. Diesel Vans are still the best bet for the foreseeable future..👍
7.30 wrong - electric vans are not restricted to 3500kg department of transport has allowed increase to 4250kg and still drive on ordinary licence. Holders of a standard Category B car licence are able to drive electric vans weighing up to 4.25 tonnes, more than the usual 3.5 tonnes that applies to conventionally powered commercial vehicles. This is thanks to a specific government derogation procedure intended to improve the appeal of alternatively fuelled light commercial vehicles (LCVs).
You are indeed correct I thought it was still under consultation , however it sadly does not change the fact that even with the increase in gross vehicle weight and stuffing more batteries in, that its fixed the issue of range. In fact it just shows how we have clearly met the ceiling of current battery tech if we need to bend the rules to get some extra range to actually try and shift these big EV vans. thanks for watching c11yan and input 👍👍👍
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Combustion all day long for me.if you've been out working for 10 hours, you don't want to be sat waiting for your van to charge before you can get home.
Very True 👍👍
search EV tyres as you use allot more due to weight and that's before the van is loaded up, costly
@@namAlexander”a lot more” is doing some heavy lifting there…
Drive a Ev bus for a living the Maxus might as well be called a Maxi as it's utterly useless
Range and electric problems daily
@@999hireactionvehicles9I believe the Irish government bought hundreds of these buses at 500k each. They all ait in the yard because there is no network set up to charge them. A total scam and taxpayer defrauded.
Very good and succinct explanation. Well done mate 👍. The whole EV thing is still years away from being seriously viable and you know it but are too polite to say they’re shite!
They will never be viable.
Enjoy this short video on UK Van Sales, More content coming this week so don't forget to check that out when it lands 👍👍👍👍
Don't I always 😂😂
I didn’t enjoy it, I just kept thinking about how doomed our children are.
And then I Started thinking what a terrible terrible species humanity really is that we’re knowingly letting a terrible fate befell our own klds. So not an enjoyable video, sorry
Been watching you from day 1 , a year later nearly 36k subs and 6 million views. Well done. You’ve certainly got through a lot in that time and been great being on the journey with you.
thanks Ian, yes been a journey over the past 12 months since I started
I worked for a FTSE 250 company We were told to buy 5 EV vans from chief executive I told them they haven’t got the range for us The Board say buy them as they needed to show the Government's COP26 pledge that UK listed businesses would be mandated to publish decarbonisation plans I think those vans are still siting parked up unused at head office but it looks good to the government !!!!!!!
Crazy, the government wants 10% of all vans sold by manufactures next year (must) be EV, the are already starting to push the EV's onto us
@@carukchannelwow, I didn’t realise the ZEV mandate was hitting vans too. Are the fines the same?
How does this man deliver so much information without hesitation and not a script to be seen? Really impressive.
thanks
He's a van man, we don't stop talking 😅
Good talk. The camper boom also spoiled things for the panel van market.
Yes it did, lots were bought up for camper conversion, good point 👍👍
I didn’t experiment during the COVID the thing you mentioned… I carry on working as a builder. I made best money ever
The main factor of EV large vans is payload…..those batts are heavy! You are quite right there!
thanks, yes the tech needs to move further along to get the range up
main factor is range, they're shit ! Few vans are loaded to max load capacity, and often those that do....are overloaded. But many working vans do miles, an idle van earns little money. Range is all important
Went to my local car auction tonight, 15 plate Jaguar XJ retail about £11k couldn't even get to £5k, another Discovery Sport retail about £15k, struggled to get to £6k. Dealers aren't buying flash motors then are buying cheap bread and butter i10, Yaris, Aygo, Clio, Polo, etc etc.
Insurance expensive, road tax expensive, maintainace prohibitive and people are really poorer.
This is not going to change anytime soon.
That's about as comprehensive an assessment I've seen on anything in a long while ! Don't think you left much out !
Thanks electric
The elephant in the room is that dealers have morphed from being car sellers to being finance company agents. If you don't want a finance contract they are not interested. If you are a cash buyer you can forget negotiating a deal.
Your right, finance and add on products like gap cover and life shine can be worth more than the profit in the car for some dealers up the chain selling the more expensive vehicles.
Great video Lee. Really hammers home some important points about EV and why ICE vans are the only viable option at the moment.
brilliantly summed up Lee. you've pretty-much covered every possible aspect.
knowing the building trades as well as I do, a network of greasy-spoon cafes with fast chargers would be the best solution for larger pure electric vans or maybe inbuilt range extenders. but as you intimated, jobbing builders are unlikely to make such a huge investment in a workhorse that will ultimately get driven into the ground.
Thank you 🙏 vans are an example I’ve been using for months in the EV argument. 57k for a van that gives you a 130 mile range? In the event that we go all-electric (which I don’t think will ever happen), a typical building site will have anything from 10 to 50 or maybe more vans that will need to charge during the day. A site temp electrical supply would never have the capacity to charge that many vans. All electric would never work and will never happen, unless the range is drastically improved.
Cannot disagree with that mitch
There are a lot of applications that are better suited to electric vans and then...
There's lots for which they're utterly useless
As you said in COVID vans prices went totally crazy, had a 55 reg transit a total heap of crap on the verge of a scrapper , sold it in COVID for £1500 mental . I would not buy a EV van , to be honest I don't think this EV thing is going to work , excellent video as always Lee
Ev minibus failed to reach half its range and cost of fast charge was £45 lol
What Covid?
£20,000 for a new small van is ridiculous.
I paid £12,500 in 2020, they are overpriced and don’t buy at these prices.
I bought a Berlingo 2017 (in Sweden) for 109k swedish crowns. The same van now is 245k, but they dont bring any in, so you can only really get a better specced one for 265k. Or, of course you can get an electric one for 360k with pathetic range.
Vans do seem to be over priced for what they are. At the end of the day they are only half a car because the back half is space. The trade guys need them and dealers know that. Sudden loss of your van has a knock on affect on peoples lively hood. cheers Jin in New Zealand.
I bought a relay in march ... In the paperwork was the invoice for that van and another bought at the same time (2016) the vans were £14k each, brand new... A new relay now (exactly the same van bar engine) is now a smidge over £30k....😢
I'm sticking with my early 2015 Movano it's euro 5 but as reliable as the day is long, with nothing mentioned about low emission zones near me it would be silly to contemplate change.
reliable.. hmm, its hardly old yet tbf
@PazLeBon neither was the transit it replaced that was needing money spent on it every month! Also the slightly later ones with Adblue don't seem to hand the best reputation either, so yes it's reliable!
@@81adamlittle sure, fair enough;). TBH Im just thinking ahead and how all my motors are more than 20 years old and then I feel proven reliable long term. . I cant imagine a battery car being sold that is ten years old. Having said that im not sure theres ever been many 20 year old Vauxhalls either in my lifetime haha
Euro 6 biggest Gov scam going! Basically forcing people to buy new vehicles that they can’t afford! 😡
I have an old vw lt35 with high miles 2003 and I only paid £800 for it 5 years ago it's been ultra reliable with decent body work and I prefer driving it to our car. Love your vids they are so informative.
I also love driving a van, not sure why.😁
Don't ever think about replacing it with a modern VW van- you won't experience reliability like you have. Modern VW vans are unreliable pieces of shite
Really useful information, thank you Lee!
Am looking to upgrade my Citroen Berlingo to a larger van or estate car next year.
Am not trade, but find a van useful having dogs as transport for walks.
So be useful to hear updates on the vehicle market & prices.
Am pretty new to the channel, but appreciate the time & effort you have put in to produce this programme..... 😊
Thanks sam, yes will keep the channel updated more on vans going forward 👍
I agree with everything you said👍I am long term van user. My only comment MOTs are getting very tough on older vans with there emissions ☹️
That's true,
Yep especially since the changes to plated value rather than the old emissions for turbo or non-turbo, halved the limit for some
not just vans :(
Love your sum up Lee but the net zero is all a bit of a joke. Great info
Thanks Pgree
on the vauxhall vivaro range calculator if you go at motorway speed with a full load it reduces your range by 50%
A lot of problems 2nd hand dealers are experiencing now is that they have overpaid for vans at auctions and now they haven't a hope of selling them now at the prices they're looking for them
I don't even need a van but liked your video 😂 straightforward concise information without any faffing about with theatrics.
I am not surprised that van sales are going down. The price of vans has gone through the roof making them too expensive for people to buy. Plus they depreciate very quickly. We are being ripped off with both vans and cars.
Brilliant episode- really informative ❤
We bought a Merc Citan Van 66 plate with 40,000 in the first week of lockdown in 2020 for the wife’s business. Dealer was looking to offload as sales more or less stopped due to lockdown. We paid £8k for it. It’s now done 110,000 miles and more of less still worth the same - crazy
Kev near Tamworth
Ps love the videos buddy 🎉
Thanks kev, basically you have had free motoring from it
Bought a base model Renault Trafic LWB in March 2021, put deposit down in September 20. Paid £16500 plus vat. In 32 months just done9000 miles as work very local. I'd get virtually what I paid for it
Wow, I was shocked when you said £57000 for a Van! No chance!
I was a bit shocked too. 3 years ago, a base model Transit panel van was £17k out the door. That's quite some difference, isn't it.
Wouldn't touch a battery powered van with a 12 foot barge pole. People who have committed to them tell me it was a massive mistake. With a moderate load on board on a cold day, range is drastically reduced and the charging infrastructure just isn't there. Re-charging times are ridiculous, and if you're using public chargers, prices are double what it would cost to run a diesel. Residuals aren't holding up well, and people are upside down on their finance lease deals. A chap I was speaking with recently told me he tried to get back into a diesel Transit, but would have to stump up 30 grand just to hand it back early. It's crazy. Insurance premiums for EV vans are also considerably higher than diesel ones too. And some companies won't cover them at all. A local used van dealer is having trouble selling EV vans he took in part exchange. He's got half a dozen he's had in stock for over 6 months. Can't sell them, even at a considerable loss. For what it's worth, I'd say don't get involved with battery vehicles of any kind at the moment. They're not fit for purpose, and they're a financial disaster. Avoid.
Great content.
I’m keeping my 2015 euro 5 Peugeot Expert van as I bought it from new,service it myself & now fully own. 👍
Best way
@@carukchannel if he paid cash maybe
Good for you mate, I was a s/employed Plumber years ago, I leased until paid off then bought the van for peanuts, lasted 13 years before I needed a larger one. Did need a new engine at around 95,000mls (petrol) but £250 for a Motorcraft fitted? yes please, 2 litre transit on an F reg .
More genuine & honest than Mike Brewer. 👍
Great to hear your views on market sentiment of the EV van sector. I follow the EV passenger market close but not so much vans. As much as companies are going EV where they can for their green creds, ESG and all that, head of fleets out with the spreadsheet. I do think that for the larger vans, they need to be able to go a little bit further to be taken seriously. People are happy to wait a little while to recharge. Bosses and clients aren’t.
If I had to drive a van, I’d be happy to have an EV, but that’s because I’m plenty used to what it entails.
I do think though that the ban being put back will have a slightly different effect on van sales. I thjnk ICE will stay high in them for a while. The combustion ban is on passenger vehicles, not commercials. I can see the manufacturers shifting production of combustion engines to the van segment to keep the engine plants giving payback on their investment. They’ve no incentive/stick persuading/forcing for them to switch to EV van sales. They’ll simply restrict supply to what they want, and keep the EV component supplies for the passenger car market. It’s the passenger market they’re targeted to hit minimum sales targets for from next year.
Excellent video, Lee. Good clear information and insight. Always look forward to your content.
I live on the Isle of Skye where a trip to the shops can be a 40 mile round trip alone!! There are only a handful of electric charging points, and during the summer, the influx of tourists in their hired Evs caused a queue every day at the charging points😂
It'll be a long while yet before it becomes mainstream, even more so for remote areas.
Wow you really need to plan ahead in a EV on the isle of skye, cannot just nip out for a pint of milk 👍
How many people really think EV can seriously displace diesel in the next 20 years? I just don’t see the step change in battery tech on the horizon
In the market for a van, so found this very useful. Thanks for posting. About time a little reality hit the market to be fair.
Thanks wilfamos
Vans will be a true marker for ev capability. It's dictated by cost and practicality, not marketing hype.
Many company's in full time service work will find out costly. Each employee will need to have a charger at home if possible. I did 200 miles a day plus on-call night work with another 100miles minimum. one needed ideally a 800 mile range for a reliable 24 hr call out service.
Bang on the money! As we say, we all like cheap, but reliable comes first!
All good ,Bill.
Once LFP batteries are more common, charging to 100% every day won't be a problem, and range will be extended as a result.
i loved that. Found it very interesting. As you know, I'm waiting for my disability van, Ford Transit [small]. Have to wait till March. My neibour with Peugeot Partner. He got his 3 months early.
What happened in reality is big companies thought let's make as much money as possible like the oil and food producers did.
I live in Manchester and drove a mk6 transit. With all the talk of Ulez i went and bought a 2017 plate Euro 6 Mk8 Transit 350 2 and half years ago for £12.5k. After a year people were offering me £15.5 for it! Even van valuation sites were valuing it at £14k. Bonkers!
ULEZ what??
In Mansfield we burn Speed cameras.
Can't imagine ULEZ being any different
Nothing a Tyre and some Jungle Juice can't solve😂😂
even my mx5 car has gone up 50%, so not just vans really
What we need is a vehicle that has a range of 500 miles and you can just Bob 80 quids worth of an easily obtainable fluid in a few minutes and your off earning dosh, maybe something like that diesel stuff you hear about.
but one that isnt giving everyone cancer right?
@@PazLeBon yes bud.
@@roystonvehicles9129 'bio' fuels seem to elephant int he room, the big invisiable one.. dont our cars run on chip fat :)
If you're Vat registered, it's probably best leasing, yet again another great video 📹. My van is a 2018 vivaro. I used to always buy a Ford transit, but they rust a bit too quickly.
True
@@carukchannel Never finance a depreciating asset
@@NoItAllLiveStreams lease isnrt financing, its essentially renting
I purchased my van, simple reason I'm not vat registered anymore , I'm a sole trader, I know it's a deprecated asset, however. If you part ex or sell at the right time, or even sell and retire its always a bit of cash in your pocket.
I guess Transit does not rust so quickly in their home market, Turkey.
For short journeys EVs are good ie if you live and work in London then they are good.. However for cross country travel don't even think about it
agree with that, the smaller EV vans do make some sense, I like the little nissan townstar EV, does 175 miles in standard spec so really 140 in real life but for carrying light loads in a city would be ideal for the job. They are also the same price as the diesel engine on lease also (£178pm)
Great review I have 5 van just bought new transit diesel paid 32k plus vat but paid outright so no financing otherwise looking about 7k extra over 5 years also have a 16 plate transit tipper euro 5 but it’s clean air compliant in Bristol where I’m from I'm a builder don't normally travel much miles but if required don't fancy not having the options plus charging availability plus loss of time when you have employees and pay am hourly rate its not cheaper unless they charged from home witch is am investment or sometimes not an option
disel is a non no tho, has to be petrol, diesel is just soooooo dirty
Depends on the area south wales sales are high aswell as prices for all except electric
Purchased a Transit Connect earlier this year (2016) non ULEZ complaint but only a run about to work & back,fantastic van,high miles but good for many years to come,hopefully
You will be forever buying parts. Watch out for rust. A vw caddy would have been a better choice
WOW i will never have an E vehicle. Great video Lee, and so Honest
Another great vid. Very informative. Keep them coming Lee. Honest and educational.
Thanks 👍
Electric vans have there place but no good for me. 500 mile round trip tomorrow to Cardiff would not be possible without dirty diesel.
Exactly 👍👍
We are just being bulldozed down a path many don't want
Yeah, I mean, who wants cleaner air and no climate change....🙄
@@iandennis7836🐑
@@iandennis7836 @ £57'000 I'll suck up the smog and enjoy the Hotter summer, and leave this life a little earlier. Cheers 😊❤
@@pipedreamtv9697 you have the right to express your choice........other people make different choices and if they're in the majority, well that's democracy for you and you'll just have to suck something else up instead.
Hi Lee. Great Video bro. As you know your always teaching me something lol. It's an Engine for me all the way. I drove a Vivaro for a Car Parts Company and I drone 450klms everyday. An EV would be no good for that. I can't believe what your Recovery truck is worth. Crazy money bro. I can't imagine someone paying £50k for an Electric Van. The money you lose in depreciation must be Massive. £57K for a Van. I couldn't sleep at night with that sitting on my driveway 😅😅. Wicked video Lee. By the way your looking Great buddy. Thanks for the Info. Chat soon. 😅 🇨🇮
Thanks liam, no i could not pay 57k for a van either 😁
Campers & motorhomes also, the bubble has started to burst & it's just a matter of time to see how big that burst will be.
One thing for sure is, the supply is huge & demand very little.
Im sitting on the fence til after Santa. Looking for MWB Sprinter/Crafter/Iveco, local courier work. Low mileage with FSH, no VAT. Based Derbyshire. Cheers Lee
Thanks for watching and good luck with your purchase in the new year 👍
pandemic was just a test for who would comply
Heard that Royal mail ditched there Ev vans already in Surrey dont know how true this is but postman said they weren't viable
does not surprise me
Very interesting. Glad I found this as I've been on the fence about vans these past couple of years! Is the price drop similar for van-derived MPVs? I'm looking at the Stellantis group people carriers (Spacetourer / Vivaro Life / Proace Verso / Traveller).
I think the EV versions of those vans are great - if you don't need to tow or carry a family when not working!
My diesel van, is there to make me money. I can't be sitting there for an hour or so a day waiting to charge, or not taking work on that is more than 50 miles away, just because I bought an EV Van. I looked at the company who sold me my van, and their electric Vans are showing £48,000, down to £25,000. Clearly not selling are they!
Very interesting video 😊 Its good to do some different ones to mix things up on the channel 😊Lots of northern common sense offered 👍Hopefully everything going well on the car pitch .
Thanks! Stewart 😊
In Denmark the rules have been changed to benefit the larger EV vans, where you can drive a van of 3500kg total on normal drivers license, you can now drive EV van of 4250kg total on normal drivers license, yes, because of the heavy battery and otherwise no load capability in that size van.
i can do that on my old british licence which includes cat c +1. dont think new licencs onclude it?
It is a special rule for the EV van, that the van itself can be 4250 total.
Diesel van can only be 3500kg, plus a trailer of 750, so off course that is a total weight of 4250 as well with trailer, but with an EV van, the van itself can be 4250.
It is about 3 years ago the new rule was made in Denmark, before that it have always been max 3500kg van total, on normal driver license.
Im in the van trade, and I've been very busy selling ULEZ compliant vans and 9 seaters Tourneos and vitos. Electric toothbrushes and Rabbits are the way forwards EV vans and cars is going backwards
Really good video that glad I seen it as a subscriber I’ve been looking at a transit connect 2015 limited 200 so nice spec it’s got FSH and only one owner 21k miles asking 13,995 managed to get it down to 13k not euro 6 either glad I watched your vlogg it’s obviously no where near worth 13k either great work and videos thanks
Thanks 👍
An example that popped up on my FB…
(prices plus VAT)
VW Transporter E new £42,060
2021 with 4700miles £16798 (VW Main Agent)
That’s a retail to retail depreciation, not retail to trade, of 536 pence per mile
put into perspective, that’s roughly the same as a £190k Merc G Class AMG 6.3…
Wow, that's some depreciation, even a old alfa did not drop that much from new 😁
@@carukchannel I seem to remember the Alfa 164 being worse - after 3 years/30k, if memory serves, the retained value was 12%
I would love a small van over a car, and indeed I had one until recently. However the stupid dpf technology, and crazy road tax, forced me to change back to a petrol car.
We were in the same boat, had a Nissan nv200 for years but started to get multiple electric faults so we retired it, it owed us nothing but it was costing us £300 a year to tax. I then bought two ford fiesta's 1.4 diesels the same week, one a van the other a normal 3 door, one was £300 tax the other £35 on the same year 🤷
Yes why is the road tax system so out of whack. Even if you buy say a peugeot 207 van, you will still pay £320 to tax it the same as a large luton. You might as well buy the biggest van you can find. And why is an Aston Martin db5 with a 5 litre petrol engine cheaper to tax than some less prestige cars. Bonkers! Love your video's keep up the good work.
I like to have the right tool for the job, so a small car fo town(mx5) motorway cruiser for long runs and passsengers (bmw 3 series) and a van for work (VW Transporter) All 30mpg + and all over 20 years old and betwen them costme around 10k
Van prices have just gone stupid for years now.
We almost brought a electric ldv tipper the rep said once it's loaded or towing you would struggle to get 50/60 miles I said I wouldn't even make it to site so put a new engine in my old transit😂
😁
Down in Cornwall I bought a 21 Pug Partner back in Jan with 6000 miles for £19500 no vat. Used it to avoid using skips to do up a house. Just traded it back and got £12500 with 10,000 miles in px for discounted nearly new car at same dealer group. I will miss the 55mpg as I don’t have big feet but not the £300 road tax.
Well done lol
thats up in cornwall to me, soo thats relative :)
The road tax reminder is £320 ! £30 more than last year. Didn’t hear that mentioned in the budget.
I bought a nui electric scooter from Astons bud the other week, 59 km top speed and 60 miles range, guy who bought it was on just eat, I can see the sense of that, it's about a pound per 100 mile to run.
We see a few of them round crewe, all used by the just eat / ubber eat lads. Like you say its so cheap. speaking to one the other month he paid 5k for the bike and has ran it for 2 years solid, reckons battery got about 2 years to go before it becomes a pain. No fuel, no tax, and he even getting McDonalds now to provide charge point for it 😂
@@carukchannel it was a moto novo repo bud
Love my transit connect mk1 230,000 miles an still going strong i do around 300 miles a night in it serviced everytime it needs to be and still keeps chugging on best i have had.
You are doing great Lee. keep it up ❤
Any vans I should 100% avoid… I’m looking for a small/ medium van for a basic conversion to sleep in while I travel for hikes… Any advice is appreciated
That mileage on a large panel van is unladen as well.. they are not even a consideration.
Cracking podcast as usual Lee excellent channel
Thanks Bryan
A 30k motorhome 6yrs ago has been selling for £40k these past few years.
Now the bubble has started to burst, i've just been offered a dealers £40k one for £32k.
Also some dealers i've noticed are slashing their used camper/motorhome prices.
I heard they were knocking up the gvw to 4.3 tonnes from 3500kg for EV vans
They may well need to to get the range up, I don't see how the tech we have can extract much more range out of lithium batteries.
An O licence exemption has been created to allow EV vans to go over 3.5t GVW without requiring tacho / associated compliance.
@@SH-vb5ph Does the DVLA know?
Just get some legal 4D number plates, any ULEZ issues go away 👍🏻
Hi where do you buy those ?
Dealers always over inflate prices some might call it greed but when you see vans with over 100,000 miles on them and the dealer is asking over £10,000 you know its greed.
I got attacked the other day on a motorhome channel I explained to him by 2030 motorhomes will onl be allowed to leave post code ,3 times per year and maximum distance 55 km he went nuts no person is doing there research 🤯
People are starting to realise that new Vehicles are just not good and that a Vehicle build in 2009 and before are much more reliable!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cut to the chase,buy the latest Euro 6 you can and you have the best chance of retaining equity in the vehicle for future trade in or sale
Any ev is OK if your retired and nothing much else to do just making short journeys, plenty of money to suffer massive depreciation or like to spend time hunting for a charger, they'll be like beta max in a few years.
A couple of time you mention the change from 2030 to 2035 for the ban on new petrol / diesel vehicles but how does that effect somebody buying a new or used van today if it only applies to new vehicles when it happens?
Vans 2017 or newer the prices have not gone down they are crazy high, double what they were before covid, older vans have dropped I have seen customs 2014/2015 fir £4500 /£5000
But 2017 customs are still £8k for 120.000 miles on average, obviously low mileage are worth a lot more, that's what I have found
But 2017 customs have the shit unreliable engine.
because of you lezzer
@@davidgavin7280 just replace the wet belt
Vote for Reform UK and you wont ever need an over-priced, under performing EV van, as they are committed to stopping net zero lunacy / scam.
Yea but won't have a health service reform, behave yourself
I really do think the bubble is about burst with everything. This way of life is unsustainable
I live in Bristol I'm just outside the zone can avoid it most of the time but my worry is them making the zone bigger then I will definitely be in it so that's always worth thinking about to and the price of parts on any van or car atm has gone up with covid that's worth thinking about and now there's a problem with ships how is that going to effect it all
I like your Videos and I always think you talk a lot of sense
Thanks Frank
I worked for van monster for a year, people where mainly buying due to ulez coming in they had no choice and mainly on finance, we also had a few electric vans come in over the year and they never sold and had to go back they where not cheap either. Just before I left they where also due to start selling cars, they tried that at that branch for a few months and then they all disappeared one day......I see they now only stock cars at very few branches.
So what’s the score on Transit engines? I’ve read about “wet belt” engines but have no idea what they are. Are we talking the engines in the full size Transit or just in the small Custom versions? I’ve had a 3.5t Ducato Luton on order for well over a year and the build date keeps getting put back. I’m told if I take a manual instead of the auto I’ve ordered then I can have the van sooner, so I’m looking at the available alternatives. Do all large vans use the same auto gearbox?
Don’t ever get a wet belt engine .. ever !!!
Really interesting insight. Thank you!
Another very insightful video lee.
Thanks irish, 👍👍
Last week My diesel van went into for a service
And they gave me a Mercedes sprinter electirc van as a courtesy van
It had 1900 miles on the clock
The battery level was 25 percent when i drove it out the garage
I drove it back to work which was a 8 mile journey and battery level was now at 20 percent
I plugged it in for 1 hour
And battery went up to 29 percent
I needed to get back to work
Drove 7 mile and it was back to 20 percent
Drove 7 mile back to depot it was down to 12 percent
I plugged it in and got a lift home ( I normally take van home )
Next day got mrs to drop me off at work
And i unplugged van
And drove home and in them 8 miles home , battery level dropped from 100 percent to 90 percent
Monday morning
I drove to garage to collect my van and after that 9 mile trip
Battery was on 80 percent
What a absolutely crock of shit
The vw transporter EV's were poor like that, they had only 70 mile range from new
@@carukchannel 🙀
@@carukchannel I’ve just looked
On eBay , guy selling one for 17k
Says vw say 70 to 80 mile range but it’s more like 50 🙈
Saw an amazon van the other week towing another electric amazon van, probably flat battery.
Don't forget all the people doing campervan conversions during Covid
"Battery van sales down" 🤣🤣Nobody wants that shyte then?, colour me shocked!
So 2016 I was buying a new Vivaro Lwb crew cab sportive for 16995+vat and with a nice deposit it was still costing me 400 quid a month and the shine soon wore off but it was a real nice van. Now at 30k plus am I missing something? No shortage of new vans on the road.
Great video. Cheers lee
Thanks 👍
Lots of good information and I won't be buying an electric van especially with the short range they have at the moment..
Diesel Vans are still the best bet for the foreseeable future..👍
no, disesel is fkn poison, didnt get the memo?
7.30 wrong - electric vans are not restricted to 3500kg department of transport has allowed increase to 4250kg and still drive on ordinary licence.
Holders of a standard Category B car licence are able to drive electric vans weighing up to 4.25 tonnes, more than the usual 3.5 tonnes that applies to conventionally powered commercial vehicles.
This is thanks to a specific government derogation procedure intended to improve the appeal of alternatively fuelled light commercial vehicles (LCVs).
You are indeed correct I thought it was still under consultation , however it sadly does not change the fact that even with the increase in gross vehicle weight and stuffing more batteries in, that its fixed the issue of range. In fact it just shows how we have clearly met the ceiling of current battery tech if we need to bend the rules to get some extra range to actually try and shift these big EV vans. thanks for watching c11yan and input 👍👍👍
@@carukchannel the long range electric fiat Ducato is 230 miles which is enough for most people
I hope they have told the DVLA!
Your videos are literally so amazing !! 🤩