Revealed: US sent long-range missiles to Ukraine "in secret". Ukraine: The Latest, Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- Day 789.
Today, we bring you news from the battlefront, analyse developments in Donetsk as Russia pushes Ukraine back near Avdiivka and we discuss the latest diplomatic and political updates from around the world.
Contributors:
David Knowles (Head of Audio Development). @djknowles22 on X.
Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor). @FrancisDearnley on X.
John Goldberg (Editor-in-Chief, The Dispatch and LA Times Columnist). @JonahDispatch on X.
Articles Referenced:
'Ukraine Is Still Outgunned by Russia' (Foreign Affairs)
foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/23/...
'Ukraine to increase long-range strikes in Russia, says UK defence chief' (Financial Times)
www.ft.com/content/06a48bab-2...
'Escalation, Red Lines, Risk and the Russo-Ukraine War' (Lawrence Freedman)
samf.substack.com/p/escalatio...
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Email: ukrainepod@telegraph.co.uk
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Excellent discussion all around and particularly from Jonah. As a Canadian who is often critical of the seemingly wishy washy nature of both American and Canadian foreign policy, it was really great to hear an American speaking with such clarity of thought and moral conviction. Bravo! I wish more people in our leadership could be so clear minded!
As an American, I too am sometimes frustrated with our lack of long term commitment to certain foreign policy postures. That said, I don’t think that’s representative of the American public as a whole. Of course, there are many people easily persuaded with sensationalist headlines that never read further, much less think critically about it, but there are also many Americans that do consider these issues thoughtfully and have deep convictions on what America should be to and for the world. I, for one, am terrified with the growing instability in the world as certain elements push for our withdrawal from the world stage.
As a Canadian I think ur a a mindless retard who obviously is completely oblivious to wat is actually going on
It's geography and the tyranny of distance, the illusion of separation.
Extraordinary episode - of course - timing is everything - so with timing on your side, ALSO having John Goldberg share his thoughts - extraordinary.
- unless the US discovers 'respawn', the only extraordinary item is the complete loss of manpower ?
Great content as always, guys!! Greetings from the U.S.!!!
Uncle Satan?
@@bl4ckb3ll tell that to the mother of three who's sons died defending Ukraine. Satan lies, cheats, and takes. America gave, with no strings attached, 60 billion to Ukraine. Russia demands everything and gives nothing. What does Russia promise a Ukranian? Oblivion.
Auntie Uma 🤑😉
Excellent interview. Jonah is very interesting to listen to.
Agreed, from another UK Brummie in exile ❤️🇷🇴
All your podcasts are always outstanding. But this episode should be heard and understood by all thinking people everywhere on this planet. I am not capable of expressing the importance of everything your guest had to say. John Crosby, Seattle, Wash.
Good. I wish we sent everything in secret.
Ukraine is losing. Stop the war.
@@devilishdeedtrolls are losing. Stop Russia
@@devilishdeed Indeed, tell the vile little dictator to pull his troops out. That would stop it immediately.
I would prefer that it was announced in advance.
In May will send this, in June that.
If the war continues past July we'll allow western weapons hitting airfields in Russian, in August all military facilities, in October all military factories and fuel depots, November is for infrastructure and in December all Russian financial assets are forfeit. Next January we'll tax imports from any business or country doing business with Russia to provide support for Ukraine...
And that it stayed secret.. or at least out of any glaring light. (Not referring to U:TL.)
One of the best. Jonah ranks way up there with Fred Kagan, Ben Hodges, Kaja Kallas & of course Prof. Snyder from Yale for clarity of thought & insight based on facts. Excellent! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦from Manila
Wow…what great analysis by Jonah Goldberg! Ukraine: The Latest continues to be my favorite source for overall Ukraine/Russia war news and analysis.
I completely agree with John Goldberg on your podcast being a lifeline for news about Ukraine. Here in the US I am dismayed at the degree of boring and endless Trump headlines when there is so much tragedy and bravery of the Ukraine struggle for victory.
Excellent interview with Jonah! His cogent and insightful discussion on our American politics was spot on and I hope the pod is able to invite him on more! Slava Ukraini!
Greetings from Seattle. Jonah is a great communicator. Please keep him on and into the future 😀. Slava Ukraine!
Europe step up !!!
I am from Finland. Your reports are always very professional. My people have past experience with Russia. This makes many of us strong supporters of Ukraine.
Wish they'd stop trotting out the 'sanctions aren't working' line. Sanctions weren't intended to cut Russian oil out of the market - because of the economic impact. The intention was to keep the price down so that it was barely profitable.
Thanks to your guest for highlighting the importance of bearing witness to the violation of Ukraine & the moral relativism with other conflicts. UTL has not failed on these issues
Maybe one of your best yet
He's a very good guest. First time hearing him
How can this guy talk about the US border without mentioning conservative Senator Lankford's bill, which Trump blocked.
LMAO. This is how the US-border-Ukraine "compromise" should go: In exchange for aid to Ukraine (which I favor), Biden agrees to enforce immigration laws, rather than rigging the system to basically permit limitless numbers of illegals. Of course, this would require some enforcement mechanism on Biden, so I don't know how that would work.
Lankford's proposed agreement with Biden did nothing to actually force Biden to do his job and enforce immigration law.
I liked the American guys' perspective! Great podcast
Francis, please check the wording of the foreign aid bill brought forward by US Congress Speaker Johnson. I heard that it expressly stated the goal was victory for Ukraine.
"Fear the war would escalate," how much more of an escalation could there be. Putin forces were in Kiev! Give Ukraine every asked for weapon.
Calm down. It's over. It's time to negotiate and at least save some furniture.
Western leaders are clearly struggling to accept such an obvious reality.
I'm picturing the "Knights that say 'ni' " scene from Holy Grail, except instead of "ni", it's Putin saying "nuclear" - if we send weapons, Putin shall say "nuclear" three times!
@clancyjames585 further escalation is in nobody's interest
@yuglesstube Russia will fare worse in a nuclear exchange than the West.
This sounds very naive to me. The change of heart came just after a meeting with Trump. Go figure.
Thanks the team!
That was the best closing statement I have heard. 👍
This one was exceptionally well done
I waited a week to listen to this one as the Ukraine bill was too fresh in my mind. Our political system is basically traumatizing. I wish we would come together to determine the best strategy to expel Russia from Ukraine, and yes that government needs to be shackled to diminish their threat to world peace. This should be imminently clear to all.
A very interesting discussion/understanding for those of us who are not from the USA
As a "normal", though Trump Supporting Republican (economy best in decades, everybody had a GOOD job), I found Mr. Goldberg's insights pretty much spot on. A valid question: How CAN we only worry about Ukraine's border without having our own secure? Yes, the idiots in the House dropped the ball when the Southern Border was on the table, and that is another reason any reasonable person, even us Republicans, rejected MTG and her ilk's bull $h!t. ...From the North Georgia (USA) Mountains
- "any reasonable person" is an unreasonable proposition ?
Nah that amnesty bill back in February would not secure our border, the only reason it was created was to gaslight Republicans and make it look like they're using it for politics and make them look bad. House Republicans came through with a border bill last September and the Dems shot it down, it was called HR-2. The Dems are absolute hypocrites and gaslighters.
@@sebastianforbes1: Yes..Normies or reasonable people are considered fanatics, and fanatics are considered reasonable.
Goldberg was excellent here.
Great episode & guest in today's podcast. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
Brilliant and Illuminating!!!
Excellent podcast as ever
That was one of the best descriptions that I have heard about this Ukraine Bill. He is hitting it on spot!!!! Man perfect!!
Excellent discussion
Great guest, would love him back
Long range weaponry will even the playing field for a long time.
Excellent episode.
The problem I have is coming to terms with the sheer incompetence of our western leaders. They have handled this conflict badly from day one. Why are they so incapable? Is it because the systems of government favor the very wealthy instead of the best leaders?
When it comes to the US, probably. When it comes to Europe, I'd argue it's cowardice.
Great episode
Ironic that Trump is so concerned about the countries in NATO that are in arrears of their dues
why ?
@@sebastianforbes1 Too many of Trumps business associates say he is a bad payer
@@RenegadeSound Maybe he is. Neither of us know. But we can agree that Trump does know about enforcing agreements.
Why??
@@RenegadeSound Too many LE investigations have actual evidence SloeJoe is FAR FAR worse. As in filthy corrupt but that is old news.
10 out of 12 where intercepted... This is an 80s weapon system... jesus.
I would like to know where VP Harris stands. I don't expect Biden to make it to the end of another four years. If he'd take a stronger stance on Ukraine winning, I'd feel much better. Harris is not Presidential, no way. 😢. I supported Warren last time, but she's too old. I feel like touching her middle fingers together with her eyes closed is Harris at her
best. We can't keep doing mediocre. The sand is running out.
Excellent interview
The GDP of the EU and this US is very similar. No reason why the EU can’t at least match the US support
The idea that Biden has any thoughts beyond when he is getting his next ice cream seems frankly bizarre to me. His policies are not his but those of his administration people pulling the strings. The idea that he might be the US President for another four years is disturbing to put it mildly.
Yep, that has become more and more apparent and seems to be accelerating.
Indeed, it is! That anyone in media, or politics, pretends that Biden is making any decisions indicates that they are, either, lying, or are suffering from the same mental deterioration as Biden is.
I am from UK. The Telegraph is a UK publication. Can we do a deep dive into Rashid Sinuk and analyse longer term UK position on war in Ukraine when the Tories get routed in upcoming UK election. PLEASE
Better than that, let’s look into who owns the media. I know 90% of the worlds media is owned by 4 people. All have a dual passport with 🇮🇱
So they have had long range missiles for sometime and its made no difference
If they did not use, then they was just looking for cheap storage.
shadow oil is traded via Dubai...
Putin is not taking the war seriously.
I've seen Trump signs and flags in yards for three years. I haven't seen a single, a SINGLE Biden sign in a yard that entire time.
💙Slava ukraini 💛🇺🇦🇺🇸
Great to listen to
In a parallel univerz the question is Pompeo or Blinken?
what was the name of the guest that was speaking?
Jonah Goldberg. Publisher of "Th Dispatch", great podcasts too.
It's all money laundering. 10% for the Big Guy.
Excellent episode!!
P.S. Please edit "Jonah" in this podcast's notes, he's been wrongly cited as "John Goldberg"
Macron is walking in haste to the downfall of France since hurting from some serious cheap resources loss in Africa
It is something when the American commentator Mr. Jonah said ''Trump and Biden are so unpopular, each may lose to the other'' [Paraphrased] That is so much like here in the UK with the Starmer/Sunak dynamic. ''Trumps flying monkeys[Wizard of OZ]'' ''Thumbless grasp'' He comes up with some fine aphorisms.
House Democrats wouldn't really be doing Johnson any favors by supporting him against a vote to remove him. But few on either side of the aisle have an appetite for another leadership tussle, and there's no particular grudge against Johnson. So I predict the vote to go nowhere, with little political damage to Johnson, and after it's over MTG will be the only one making noise about it.
Fantastic episode
Another great episode and a great guest.
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Funny a Canadian commenting on American politics, I would prefer they reserve their opinions to your fellow Canucks.
I'm not surprised.
Compared to the trillions squandered on Iraq 2, for which the causus belli was zero; the case for aid for the relief of democracy under attack is unequivocal. The amount provided is quite modest. That said it is a very welcome development. Well done America,
Around the globe, the democratic way of life is under attack. For the sake of future generations now let's get this democracy vs autocracy thing done - in favour of democracy.
The sources of autocracy are clear as are the strengths and weaknesses of democracy. We need to address the challenges, reinforce the strengths of democracy and fix the weaknesses.
Ukraine and Israel's security need to be assured. The democracies also have to realise refugee flows are part of the way the autocracies manipulate them strategically. In the western hemisphere solutions to long running sores in places like Haiti and Venezuela are ripe for aitocratic manipulation and need addressing. Europe and the US also need to better secure their southern borders so the flow of immigrants is well ordered and cannot be manipulated in a way to challenge their sovereignty.
Ukraine was a democracy? Hmm.
- Dom, the military expert, should do a comparison of civilian/military deaths between the Americans prosecuting the Iraq war, and the Russians prosecuting the Ukraine war ?
@@sebastianforbes1 Exactly - and this is the tragedy, because to so many neutral nations, they look at this and say it's exactly the same. But it shouldn't stop us from doing the right thing now - it *should* have stopped us from doing the wrong thing previously
Steve Hayes must have been busy.
Democrats put enough signatures on the discharge petition. Mike should not get an iota of credit after that delay.
Why doesn't anyone ever ask why the International Red Cross does not visit Ukrainian POWs who are tortured and starved in Russia?
My relatives in Kherson, Ukraine asked me why the Red Cross never showed up when they were flooded. It would seem the Red Cross is not interested.
Their not and they do. At least their not being thrown out of helicopters or imrisioned in Abu Graidb prison...go check the photo's
Is there evidence of torture of Ukrainian prisoners? No? Then keep quiet and don't be ashamed, Russia treats prisoners extremely humanely, better than Ukrainians treat "their own" ones. Not to mention the torture of Russian prisoners, which has been proven repeatedly.
- Why doesn't anyone ever ask why the ICC Chief Investigator hasn't released his report on Bucha ?
@@samsungtap4183 - shh... don't mention Guantanamo 😂
Great show!!
Stop the nonsense-----if Johnson REALLY wanted to do the RIGHT thing he COULD have done it much earlier INSTEAD of waiting to be forced into that action!
Jonah is just waffling. Very dull.
❤Ukrainian ❤
A little late, but I really enjoyed your guest today! Thanks for the excellent work!
I thought they had no funding who paid for them ?
Whooosh
3 guesses. some countries make commitments, some countries do stuff.
The AI voice called the missile Stormy Shadows. Must have grabbed the Stormy name from a different story
This might encourage Germany to supply Taurus.
This might encourage Russia to supply hypersonic nuclear Zircon to Iran or N.Korea.
@@jhngfdsdfgkjnbvNah, those hypersonics will fly directly to Poland and Romania.
@@ConnorJane Pretty damned unlikely Russia will start a war with NATO when it can't beat a country with 1/3 Russia's population and 1/9 Russia's GDP.
NATO has about 7 times Russia's population and 35 times its GDP.
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outstanding today. Your guest has exceptional insight and his summary re Russia's genocide in Ukraine throwing light on Israel's activities is enlightening.
Hardly Russia's fault if Ukraine is genociding itself on behalf of Anglo-American led Nato and it's failed attempt to remove Russia from what is historically Russian.
Best episode of the podcast over the 2 years 👏
When will Ukraine be allowed to vote?😎
The Telegraph: the Democratic Party is supportive of Ukraine! The party is knowledgeable of the Western international support for Ukraine. jtsdrd
Good podcast. I missed your not mentioning trumps 91 indictments and how that will skew the outcome in the election.
no excuse for Germany not to send Taurus now.
To say that Germany's relationship with Russia is "complicated" is a massive understatement. After what Germany did to the USSR in the 1940's, it's perfectly understandable why many Germans are very against being part of attacking Russia again. Those missiles are purely offensive.
@@badwolftx2139 Imagine if Great Britain followed that logicn (we don't want to be seen as instigating/escalating) in WW2 and had isolationist viewpoint, instead GB grew balls and went all-in to protect Europe.
@@ChuckAmadi The UK had 43.8 million in 1939. 3.5 million men and women had served in the British Army from 1939-1945. 382,700 died in WW2.
The Soviet Union had a population of 170.5 million 16,365,000 million men and women had served in the Soviet Army from 1940-1945 9,750,000 died in WW2.
PS: Soviet Union was an ally of the UK
@@ChuckAmadi That makes no sense. The horror that Germany inflicted on the USSR is almost beyond comprehension.
After the Germans killed 27 millions Russians, Germany has a HUGE number of reasons not to send Taurus.
so, the $61 billion isn't going to make a difference, it's just going to settle old debts ?
30 billion goes to replace US stock and some of the pays for unofficial weapons already supplied. As usual no details on what weapons and how many
What the American guest, who I'll need to start following, dances around hints at is moderate Americans are concerned about Trump playing an African warlord after a second term and attempting to entirely change our imperfect but functional system.
Advertising a UniParty Foriegn Policy world view, or the U.S is collapsing?
Let's get a second thing straight - Michael Johnson came to Jesus and put the Ukraine Bill on the floor because of a looming Democrat Discharge Petition, which would have been forced to the floor within a week or two. Johnson read the Tea Leaves and chose to put the House bill on the floor before the Discharge Petition, which mimicked the Senate bill to support Ukraine.
The attrition of troops, Russia has 300,000 troops in training due to enter service in May, and 10x the ammunition. This is cruelty to Ukraine, when deal could have been made. They will end up losing most of of their country for the sake of US election in November
True.
It's Mind boggling to comprehend the Issues of vital self defense protection weapons for more than two years But it's suddenly Now available like tanks and aircraft within weeks.
I cannot get my head around why there's this constant delay then change in NATO/US strategy.
U$ sent 100 long range ATACMS, RU sends back 1000+ Tornado-S.
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Oh look, Macron is giving speeches again.
I for one at not at all embarrassed about the way the United States pulled out of Afghanistan, I feel terribly for the soldiers who died in the operation to pull out, but the United States needed to be out of Afghanistan, we had invested too much time and treasure on a country that was not ready for change, and maybe never will be. The history of Afghanistan is full of well intentioned people who could not conquer the territory, the Afghan know what they are doing and will be the same when an interlocutor leaves.
I am, Biden botched the withdrawal which led to needless deaths and an overwhelming victory for the Taliban. He had advisers telling him NOT to go through with the withdrawal plan and instead of revising it or scratching it altogether he decided to roll with it.
everyone talked this Trump Nato last election , and may I ask - what exactly changed ? Absolutely nothing but things for the better. more countries realizing they need to pull in a little more. Talk like he is going to dismantle Nato. it's the same campaign swag he was trying to do last time, alll talk then back to normal. what dont we understand? or is it just to work people up like myself
All the helping is welcome but unfortunately more than year late .
Goldberg is clueless when it comes to Trump
To be one of "Trump's flying monkeys," now there's a dream goal. American politicians need to grow up and get a life.
Unique footage of a Russian Su-25 aircraft flying next to a drone
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There is strategic clarity. The policy of both the US and UK is to place Ukraine in a good position to negotiate.
Thats explicit. Look it up.
The US have emotional support for Ukraine but they will not put anything of their own at risk. They have been very generous but it should be remembered that these huge sums of money go to American arms manufacturers. The actual hardware that reaches Ukraine is worth a fraction of that. This is a European fight and fortunately the US have given us a bit of time to rearm but nothing more
I disagree- the USA has not been generous. It has actually been rather niggardly in terms of its support- e.g. only last month did we send long range ATACMS, even though we guaranteed their security when they gave up their nukes. Still no F-16s. Moreover, while this fight is in Europe, it has enormous worldwide implications.
It's an Anglo-American fight in alliance with former Eastern bloc countries like Poland and Romania. It began with George W Bush at the start of the 21st century withdrawing from the anti-ballistic missile treaty, pursuing and funding missile defence shield systems, declaring a belligerent policy to expand NATO eastward, before launching the invasion of Iraq on false evidence - the regime change operation in Libya also rode roughshod over International law.
In 2008 at the Bucharest NATO summit, despite opposition from Spain, France, Germany and Italy; despite polling in Ukraine showing no appetite among the public for such a move; despite alarm bells sounded by the like of Bill Burns and Fiona Hill, Bush declared that Ukraine would become aligned with NATO ie, the US, militarily. The verdict of several senior Ukrainians involved in the Istanbul 2022 negotiations have said that NATO is the key issue for Russia.
Following a ten year investigation, the verdict of a Kiev district court on October 18th, 2023 essentially drew the conclusion that the maidan massacre was a false flag operation by ultranatiinalists. Svoboda and Right-Sector played the leading role in the 2014 violence. Right-Sector took credit for orchestrating the Odessa trade unions building massacre. The ultranatiinalist forces backed by Britain and the US since the 1950s sparked a civil war and Nationalist battalions backed by oligarchs went east to crush dissent committing war crimes documented by Amnesty International.
@@hazelwray4184 Vietnam took the fight out of America and so they have used spending power to deter potential enemies. Which is perfectly sensible and understandable. Britain, France and Germany have to make the stand. Which is as it should be.
@@hazelwray4184 It started when Russia didn't change its history textbooks in the 1990's. They still said the Baltic states joined USSR voluntarily. Which is rubbish, they were conquered and forced, and there's photographic evidence and everything. As soon as it became clear they wouldn't change the textbooks, we realized they wouldn't change their ways and we need to join NATO.
Giving arms -- both US made and otherwise -- costs US taxpayers. It is real money and means real resources don't go to other US interests. (I support aid to Ukraine, but it isn't "free" at all.)